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2008-06-23 01:39:47 AM  
Funny all I see is someone pissing all over himself.
 
2008-06-23 01:41:38 AM  
whidbey: Funny all I see is someone pissing all over himself.

Well, yeah, it's mostly from one guy, but he's still producing a lot of it.
 
2008-06-23 01:42:51 AM  
submitter: Only one number in Zimbabwe not subject to inflation; Number of elections next week: 0

Incorrect, unfortunately. There will be an election in Zimbabwe next week.

F*ck. For a second, I actually believed what was in the Fark headline was accurate, and that the election had been postponed. One should always assume the Fark headline is completely wrong these days, apparently.

Goddamnit. This sucks.
 
2008-06-23 04:21:58 AM  
Since we're over in that half of the world, why aren't we spreading freedom and fair elections to Zimbabwe?
 
2008-06-23 05:09:03 AM  
George Bush doesn't care about black people.

Right?
 
2008-06-23 05:12:15 AM  
i have been listening too this on the radio for a couple of months now, since the first 'election'. (radio 4 in the morning cover it in quite some detail, and have interviews with lots of people).

There was a interview with a lady that had been raped 15+ times, after watching all her children (including a 8mth baby) get killed with machetes and bats. That interview was horrific and moved me to tears in the car on the way to work.

Shame on people for not knowing about this.
I am 100% against the Iraq war and all that, but in some cases a sniper bullet may be called for..

/even though that is too quick/good for that farker.
// people need to be informed about this situation.
 
2008-06-23 05:12:42 AM  
Mnemia: Sometimes I think there should be a world Asshole Elimination Squad designed specifically for situations like this one with Mugabe. Basically, the rest of the world could vote to have guys like Mugabe taken out for the good of humanity. Sometimes one asshole really can destroy millions of people's lives, and I think the world would be better off if there was a mechanism in place where the penalty for being that kind of asshole "leader" was swift death. Then there could be a built-in force to drop a bomb on their residence or whatever.

No, what should happen is the someone should just invade Zimbabwe, and the world should turn its head as usual.
 
2008-06-23 05:14:07 AM  
earlm: Life expectancy in 1990: 64
Today: 37

Mugabe ran the country into the ground because of his ideology. They had good health and education but he didn't want to open the country to trade and investment.


It wasn't just that, he ruled by fiat rather than by rule of law, and managed to be more corrupt and incompetent about it than the average African politician - which is saying a lot. Ex : White farmers owned and operated the vast majority of local farms - with help from their long-time (black) employees. They also produced the vast majority of local food. The President-For-Life had his thug squads "nationalize" the farms one at a time - as whites owning the farms their families built is "unjust". Farmers who objected to the "takings" were killed or had their family members raped until they acquiesced. Bad enough. But than rather than turn the land over to the workers who knew how THE HELL to run the places, the farms were given to friends and party members who knew how to grow squat. The workers were "race traitors" you see, so they were run off as well. Result? A food-exporting nation has been converted to a food-free zone - one farm at a time. Over a period of YEARS. Because as Good Socialists they believe theory trumps reality - so they were unable to stop slitting their own countries wrists - or back down from what their theory told them was the "socially just" Final Solution.

//Like most Socialists, Mugabe and his associates assumed an enterprise (like the farms) is successful and makes money (or grows food) because of the physical infrastructure. Therefore (they believe) having the people who built the infrastructure in the first place continue to control it and profit from it - instead of you doing so - is unfair and socially unjust to you. And mere possession of that physical infrastructure will make THEM (and their friends) as rich as the "greedy capitalists" who built & ran it. Funny how that never seems to work out the way the anti-capitalists always think it will.....
 
2008-06-23 05:15:27 AM  
The worst, worst thing about this, is all the leaders just pussying around, suggest using strong words..

"oohh.. now, he going to get serious sanctions on his ass.."

ffs.. he doesn't give a shiate, what anyone else thinks..
 
2008-06-23 05:25:13 AM  
Late to the thread, but I still want to add:

img1.fark.net

/I know the news icon is more appropriate.
 
2008-06-23 05:35:36 AM  
Golf clap for the headline, subby.
 
2008-06-23 05:55:55 AM  
bmasso: It wasn't just that

That's a pretty good summary of events, political theory aside. The African League won't condemn him since that would be admitting... something, I'm not really sure what. Europe won't get involved, since we're still being blamed for farking the continent up in the first place.

China, apparently is there, but seems to be quite cozy with the current regime.
 
2008-06-23 06:02:46 AM  
The sad thing, is that this thread will get limited responses, where as the next McClown mis-speak, will get 800+ reply..

thats sad.
 
2008-06-23 06:17:33 AM  
DuncanMhor: Europe won't get involved, since we're still being blamed for farking the continent up in the first place.

How exactly did Europe fark up the continent in first place? It was populated with nasty savages "half devil and half child" before the white man came, it is populated with nasty savages now that bleeding hearts forced Europe to hand over once thriving economies to said nasty savages.
 
2008-06-23 06:22:00 AM  
It's nice as ever to see the UN pussyfooting around. Farking Mugabe was in Europe for that damn summit meeting, and they didn't do a damn thing about it. "Oh, elected officials have immunity from crimes. We can't touch him until he leaves office! Oh yeah, that'll probably be the day he dies, so we ain't gonna do shiat."

I was listening to the BBC on my drive back from town, and the UN official who was talking about their options was pissing me off. They sound so farking pathetic. Despite all the evidence to the contrary, I had really hoped that the UN would have turned out to be something that had a use.
 
2008-06-23 06:23:51 AM  
Bloody William: Zimbabwe's utterly messed up. Mugabe's reign is pretty much a textbook example of what NOT to do when running a country. It's a freaking miracle that the evil fark hasn't been beheaded by a rioting mob yet.

I wish.
 
2008-06-23 06:28:08 AM  
Bloody William: EZ1923: Klippoklondike: Onager

I honestly haven't heard anything about Zimbabwe at all. I am searching for more info about it right now.

You wouldn't have heard much out of CNN or MSNBC, and nothing at all from FOX.

All I know about it came from NPR.

Fun fact about the national media and the world stage:

Horrible shiat is happening all over the world. Really really horrible shiat. The most horrible shiat you're not going to hear from the news networks because they're mostly focusing on the significantly less horrible shiat happening in countries we're planning to invade. Sudan? Nothing. Zimbabwe? Nothing. But every little rumor about Iran is going to be shouted because THEY'RE evil enough to warrant invasion, sure.

NPR and BBC are the best sources if you really want to know what's happening beyond our borders.


This.

A hundred times this. I have to sit through the garbage from CNN and MSNBC every time I go get food from the Chow Hall. They make me want to stab myself in the ears. Luckily, I have an iPod, so no self-inflicted injuries for me.

I donate money to NPR. They can use it, since their budget keeps slowly evaporating.
 
2008-06-23 06:37:57 AM  
There is a Flickr stream of Mugabe's abuses. Be warned that it is VERY graphic and NSFW or NSF lunch if real-life gore bothers you.

NSFW abuse images (new window)
 
2008-06-23 07:05:57 AM  
Dubai Vol: I have a good friend who was born and raised there. Now he has no country.

The kicks he gets out of these replies should cheer him up.
 
2008-06-23 07:15:06 AM  
Klippoklondike: Holy shiat, i didn't realize things were so bad over there.

At least you have the grace to admit it. Far too many people don't know and don't care. Amazing how in this day and age providing information is often done so poorly. Zimbabwe was on the front page of my newspaper this morning, so it can be easily done.
 
2008-06-23 07:29:11 AM  
Ilmarinen: Klippoklondike: Holy shiat, i didn't realize things were so bad over there.

At least you have the grace to admit it. Far too many people don't know and don't care. Amazing how in this day and age providing information is often done so poorly. Zimbabwe was on the front page of my newspaper this morning, so it can be easily done.


It's front page news in the Wall Street Journal.

You're not special
 
2008-06-23 07:51:23 AM  
The other day there was an article about the death of the wife of an opposition mayor. Mugabe supporters came and asked for her husband, she told them he was gone and they left. They came back an hour later and chopped off both her hands and one foot with machetes. She dragged herself back into her house, which they then set on fire, burning her alive.
 
2008-06-23 07:51:44 AM  
A small bottle of Coca-Cola was selling Sunday for 18 billion Zimbabwean dollars ($2.45).

Wow. I'm guessing Coke machines aren't very popular there.
 
2008-06-23 08:10:34 AM  
Reggaenomics: The world will throw a party when this sackbag is gone.

Wrong. The world throws a party and invites him. Repeatedly.

Benjamin the Rogue: It's nice as ever to see the UN pussyfooting around. Farking Mugabe was in Europe for that damn summit meeting, and they didn't do a damn thing about it. "Oh, elected officials have immunity from crimes. We can't touch him until he leaves office! Oh yeah, that'll probably be the day he dies, so we ain't gonna do shiat."

I was listening to the BBC on my drive back from town, and the UN official who was talking about their options was pissing me off. They sound so farking pathetic. Despite all the evidence to the contrary, I had really hoped that the UN would have turned out to be something that had a use.


The UN does have a use. We have Iraq as an example of what happens when the US goes blundering around with its military, and much is made of this despite whatever successes there may be. Now we have Zimbabwe as an example of what happens when the US doesn't get involved and lets the UN handle things.

We also have Darfur.
And Burma.
And Rwanda.
And Srebrenica.
And so forth.
 
2008-06-23 08:13:43 AM  
Kar98: DuncanMhor: Europe won't get involved, since we're still being blamed for farking the continent up in the first place.

How exactly did Europe fark up the continent in first place? It was populated with nasty savages "half devil and half child" before the white man came, it is populated with nasty savages now that bleeding hearts forced Europe to hand over once thriving economies to said nasty savages.


I'm not sure that I actually believe that Europe is as responsible as we're made out to be. I'm sure we've exacerbated problems with tribalism by creating artificial countries, and I know that proxy warfare with the soviets was happening in Africa throughout the 70s and 80s.
That said, the people and governments of southern Africa have had more than half a century to get their acts together. To allow Zimbabwe to go from the breadbasket of Africa to a complete shiathole so quickly and not publicly denounce the antidemocratic behaviour of Robert Mugabe is unconscionable.
 
2008-06-23 08:36:43 AM  
A small bottle of Coca-Cola was selling Sunday for 18 billion Zimbabwean dollars ($2.45).

www.reelfilm.com
 
2008-06-23 08:39:50 AM  
someone needs to take out this f**ker and his posse of security/military types.

Rather than try Simon Mann in Guinea, the UK could have got him off on the proviso he altered his coup plan to suit Zimbabwe (joke)

My wife's mother in Jo'burg has just had to let her Zimbabwean house maid go. The poor girl is stuck in a ghetto area of Jo'burg in which there has been violent attacks on Zimbabwean immigrants in the country and if she goes back to Zim she isn't going to be able to work to support her family...what a shiatty situation to be in.
 
2008-06-23 09:08:13 AM  
Zaphod B.: Mugabe was a promising idealist who transformed into a megalomaniac like so many other African heads of state.

Idealist, my ass.

Even before he took power, Mugabe was a rat bastard. During the transition negotiations he put out a hit list on the negotiators, and was threatening to continue his seven-year guerrilla war unless he got his way. And as soon as he became dictator he got to killin'.

In October 1980, when then Prime Minister Mugabe signed an agreement with North Korean President, Kim Il Sung, providing that the North Koreans train what was to become the elite "5 Brigade" of the Zimbabwean army, he launched an organized process of genocide.

5 Brigade, comprised largely of Shona-speaking members of the armed wing of what is now the ZANU-PF-standing outside of the army chain of command, and answering only to Mugabe himself-unleashed the Gukurahundi ("the early rain which washes away the chaff before the spring rains"), the regime's first, and still unpunished, genocide.

While an accurate death toll for the Gukurahundi is all but impossible to ascertain, an estimated 20,000 people were murdered by members of 5 Brigade, the ZANU-PF Youth Militia, the Central Intelligence Organization (CIO), and the Police Internal Security Intelligence Unit (PISI).

The Gukurahundi constituted the Mugabe regime's first use of food as a weapon of suppression, with over 400,000 Zimbabwean citizens driven to the brink of starvation before 5 Brigade was disbanded in 1986.



The kicker is that there was a legitimate democratic election in '79 in Zimbabwe, while Mugabe was busy whacking people (sound familiar?) - except Jimmy Carter, Prince of Peace, thought it was unfair, kept the sanctions against Rhodesia in place and demanded a do-over with Mugabe running in a rigged election.

The New York Times stories of the day ought to make you cringe:

Prime Minister Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe used the occasion of a White House reception today to wish a beaming President Carter well in the November election...

The Carter Administration congratulated Robert Mugabe today on "a resounding victory" in the Rhodesian elections and said that the United States looked forward to working with his Government...

To cheers and the cadenced chanting on his name, Prime Minister Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe went to Harlem yesterday to pay tribute to the "gallant people" living there....
 
2008-06-23 09:23:22 AM  
It's a trap
 
2008-06-23 09:28:39 AM  
NewportBarGuy: Can someone just hire an assassin, please? I'll chip in $20.

I'll happily contribute to 'assassinate Mugabe' fund. I've kept up somewhat on the sad state of affairs in Zimbabwe for awhile ... it is shocking in its awfulness.
 
2008-06-23 09:43:27 AM  

Mugabe was placed in power after Liberals in England marched on the British government demanding it.

Can we has Zimbabwe too?

i2.cdn.turner.com

 
2008-06-23 09:48:02 AM  
Ikam: NewportBarGuy: Can someone just hire an assassin, please? I'll chip in $20.

I'll happily contribute to 'assassinate Mugabe' fund. I've kept up somewhat on the sad state of affairs in Zimbabwe for awhile ... it is shocking in its awfulness.


Count me in. I'll even double it, I'll put down a nice $40.

I wonder what would be the reaction if this actually carried over into something. "Fark.com sponsors fundraiser to pay for a hit on Mugabe."

I like it.
 
2008-06-23 09:59:57 AM  
The Beacon Man: McCainDemocrat: Some on the left are seriously pro-Mugabe.

Bloody William: farking who?


Not that long ago, it was all liberals. (new window)


Mugabe was a hero in the 1980's. As far as we were concerned, Saddam Hussein and Osama Bin Laden were heroes then as well.
 
2008-06-23 10:03:06 AM  
'Hitler ended up in a ditch, covered in petrol, on fire, so, that's fun! I think that's funny, 'cause he was a mass-murdering farkhead. And that was his honeymoon as well! Double trouble!

"Eva, let's marry."

"Where should our honeymoon be?"

"Well, in a ditch, covered in petrol, on fire. I've already arranged it upstairs."

"Oh, how romantic, Adolf."

"Yes, I thought!"


Fun! What a bastard! And he was a vegetarian, and a painter, so he must have been going, "I can't get the farking trees... Damn! I will kill everyone in the world!"

And he was a mass-murdering farkhead, as many important historians have said. But there were other mass murderers that got away with it! Stalin killed many millions, died in his bed, well done there; Pol Pot killed 1.7 million Cambodians, died under house arrest at age 72, well done indeed! And the reason we let them get away with it is because they killed their own people, and we're sort of fine with that. "Ah, help yourself," you know? "We've been trying to kill you for ages!" So kill your own people, right on there. Seems to be... Hitler killed people next door... "Oh... stupid man!" After a couple of years, we won't stand for that, will we?' - Eddie Izzard
 
2008-06-23 10:04:36 AM  
I bet Who Wants to be a Millionaire is a huge hit there.
 
2008-06-23 10:27:24 AM  
Thanks to this thread I have learned that somehow the mess in Zimbabwe is the fault of European or, as a bigger stretch, American liberals.

Seriously?

bmasso: Your analysis was good until you hit this line: Because as Good Socialists they believe theory trumps reality

I'm not sure I have seen a bigger leap in logic. I think Mugabe's half-assed solutions had much more to do with him being a megalomaniac than a socialist.

Bloody William: NPR and BBC are the best sources if you really want to know what's happening beyond our borders.

I've been following Zimbabwe in the Economist
 
2008-06-23 10:28:47 AM  
Robert Mugabe completely trashed Zimbabwe and all I got was this thread full of whining about liberals and socialists. If only there were some globally dominant power that might intervene, possibly with military force. Whoops, no oil. Best of luck, y'all.
 
2008-06-23 10:29:28 AM  
 
2008-06-23 10:43:59 AM  
To be fair to the journalism, Zimbabwe is a pretty darn dangerous country right now. Mugabe threw out most journalists and shut down the independent newspapers a few years ago. That seems to have been right about the time that most reporting of the horrors went from photographs to the occasional small textual blurb on the BBC. We like our pretty photos. No photo or it didn't happen.

Fortunately, the Internet can route around such restrictions. As per Sullivan's website, here's a horrific Flickr album (pops, probably NSFW, nausea-inducing) of the victims. I've never seen so much ground meat on living people.

If you get a chance, go listen to the NPR segments about the suffering of Zimbabwe. If you don't die a little inside from all this, you're a Trollie McTrollerson and I can hear you lying like you do about your microscopic penis.
 
2008-06-23 10:44:45 AM  
What's a "Zimbabwe"?
 
2008-06-23 10:44:50 AM  
AzDownboy: Thanks to this thread I have learned that somehow the mess in Zimbabwe is the fault of European or, as a bigger stretch, American liberals.

Seriously?


Seriously.

In 1979 there was a democratically-elected black-majority government voted into office under Abel Muzorewa, with two thirds of a fair vote. It was a ruling coalition that had disavowed the use of violence to get its way, mind you. As a result the US Congress recommended discontinuing the sanctions against Rhodesia/Zimbabwe, but Jimmy Carter insisted that the election was bogus unless Mugabe was involved even though Mugabe was trying to kill off his political opposition.

Mugabe takes the second election, and off to the races he went.
 
2008-06-23 10:49:48 AM  
LightGiver: elections

I don't think that word means what they think it means.
 
2008-06-23 10:52:42 AM  
LightGiver: Zimbabwean elections to go ahead (new window)

Maybe so, but it doesn't mean much. The MDC's Morgan Tsvangirai has pulled out of the elections because the casualties and violence preclude any sort of viable election.
 
2008-06-23 10:55:22 AM  
LightGiver: Zimbabwean elections to go ahead (new window)

Those aren't elections.
 
2008-06-23 10:58:46 AM  
Gulper Eel: As a result the US Congress recommended discontinuing the sanctions against Rhodesia/Zimbabwe, but Jimmy Carter insisted that the election was bogus unless Mugabe was involved even though Mugabe was trying to kill off his political opposition.

Carter simply wanted everyone to have a fair chance. How was he to know that Mugabe would act like this?
 
2008-06-23 11:12:02 AM  
Ikam

Those aren't elections.

I know but it's all the country has right now. At least Mr Tsvangirai's Movement for Democratic Change (MDC) party has not given up.

Tsvangirai seeks embassy refuge (new window)
 
2008-06-23 11:32:46 AM  
If Mugabe is still in power six months from now, it's the failure of the entire world.
 
2008-06-23 11:40:18 AM  
AzDownboy: I think Mugabe's half-assed solutions had much more to do with him being a megalomaniac than a socialist.

Exactly right. And he's once again demonstrated that "megalo" is the worst kind of "maniac."
 
2008-06-23 11:43:33 AM  
I love all this "Mugabe this" and "Mugabe that". Sure, he's an evil old bastard, but think about your old dad or grand-dad; dude probably has a hard time pissing without assistance. The fact is that there's an active clique of fascist thugs at all levels of gov't, and they won't be hung out to dry with Mugabe like Charles Taylor was.
 
2008-06-23 12:04:18 PM  
Nurglitch: The fact is that there's an active clique of fascist thugs at all levels of gov't, and they won't be hung out to dry with Mugabe like Charles Taylor was.

But Charles Taylor was a good guy since he was an evangelical Christian. So sayeth Pat Robertson, anyway.
 
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