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2008-06-21 11:17:30 AM  
Wear it if you got it?
 
2008-06-21 11:21:24 AM  
Industrial hemp vs. marijuana. Fire it up kids. I guarantee you'll think it's gnarly.

www.hort.purdue.edu
 
2008-06-21 11:25:34 AM  
The ban is really silly, to be honest. I have never worn or eaten any hemp products. The clothing looks really uncomfortable and hemp bread looks really unappetising. Does anyone have an honest opinion about hemp products they have actually used in real life?
 
2008-06-21 11:36:02 AM  
>> The clothing looks really uncomfortable

It's very comfortable and it takes much much longer than cotton to wear out.
 
2008-06-21 11:38:21 AM  
RyanWillia: The ban is really silly, to be honest. I have never worn or eaten any hemp products. The clothing looks really uncomfortable and hemp bread looks really unappetising. Does anyone have an honest opinion about hemp products they have actually used in real life?

I've used several hemp-based lotions for my very dry skin. They are a little more expensive than the brand names, but I would assume that the price would go down if we were to be allowed to ... you know... actually grow this shiat down here.

I've also had a hemp-seed burger. It was very yummy.

I've had a hemp baseball cap. It lasted much longer than all the other caps that I've had.

Hemp beer is mighty tasty.



Now, if only I could power my diesel with hemp fuel. It would just complete the picture.
 
2008-06-21 11:41:50 AM  
bostonist.com

wot hemp?
 
2008-06-21 11:43:30 AM  
RyanWillia
Does anyone have an honest opinion about hemp products they have actually used in real life?

Hemp paper is naturally white- no environment-raping bleaching needed.
 
2008-06-21 11:44:02 AM  
Oh, and the whole "OMG. Our children will grow marijuana in the hemp fields!!" argument is a bunch of bullshiat. If anything, a 40 acre hemp field would wreak havok upon any local grow operations. The last thing commercial weed growers want is a shiatload of seeds in their product.
 
2008-06-21 11:44:43 AM  
ganzonomy: wot hemp?

I see what you did there.

I just don't see how you thought of it. Kudos.
 
2008-06-21 11:45:43 AM  
RyanWillia: Does anyone have an honest opinion about hemp products they have actually used in real life?

Hemp medicine cures cancer and, when used as a fuel, only emits rainbows as emissions.
 
2008-06-21 11:58:07 AM  
That's a mighty fine Governor you have there Vermont. This could have been avoided. Sign it, or veto it you spineless biatch!
 
2008-06-21 11:59:07 AM  
Frank N Stein: RyanWillia: Does anyone have an honest opinion about hemp products they have actually used in real life?

Hemp medicine cures cancer and, when used as a fuel, only emits rainbows as emissions.


Nice.

I use hemp soaps, and I would probably use hemp lotions instead of petroleum based ones in dry climates if they were cheaper and more readily available.

/Extremely dry skin
 
2008-06-21 11:59:47 AM  
WALMART.saves: Oh, and the whole "OMG. Our children will grow marijuana in the hemp fields!!" argument is a bunch of bullshiat. If anything, a 40 acre hemp field would wreak havok upon any local grow operations. The last thing commercial weed growers want is a shiatload of seeds in their product.

I never thought about it that way but you're quite right. It'd be interesting to see if the price of weed was higher in states that made it legal to grow hemp, due to less supply I would figure. Although that would have to be a hell of a lot of hemp fields.
 
2008-06-21 12:15:55 PM  
mtman900: ganzonomy: wot hemp?

I see what you did there.

I just don't see how you thought of it. Kudos.


www.idmonsters.com

"My mind is a raging torrent, flooded with rivulets of thought cascading into a waterfall of creative alternatives."

/rock ridge... rock ridge....
//Froggy.... WHERE'S FROGGY?!
 
2008-06-21 12:17:43 PM  
Gov. James Douglas, a critic of the hemp bill, had said the measure flies in the face of federal statutes and could ultimately complicate marijuana eradication efforts in the state.

Wrong.

Cross pollination between Marijuana and Hemp destroys the potency of the Marijuana. If anything, Hemp would aid in eradication efforts.

Not that I favor eradication, but such a profoundly ignorant statement needed to be corrected.
 
2008-06-21 12:26:36 PM  
>> Hemp medicine cures cancer and

The University of Virginia and the University of Madrid did studies and found that pot shrank tumors.

The studies were done years apart.

Ford initiated the U of Va study in hopes it would show pot to be highly toxic.

When it was shown to actually be anti-carcinogenic the Ford admin squashed the study.
 
2008-06-21 12:38:15 PM  
Bob16: >> Hemp medicine cures cancer and

The University of Virginia and the University of Madrid did studies and found that pot shrank tumors.

The studies were done years apart.

Ford initiated the U of Va study in hopes it would show pot to be highly toxic.

When it was shown to actually be anti-carcinogenic the Ford admin squashed the study.


While I don't doubt this is possible, do you have a citation?
 
2008-06-21 12:42:47 PM  
The only reason hemp is banned from cultivation is because Billy Hearst had a vested interest in wood pulp production. So he ran a bunch of articles that made suggestive links between marijuana and hemp, eventually they scheduled it.

Extremely short-sighted.
 
2008-06-21 12:54:49 PM  
I will never understand the hatred for something that grows out of the ground naturally.

With rising food prices why we don't grow a crop that can have many benefits, that we could already be growing, is beyond me.
 
2008-06-21 12:58:45 PM  
This is wonderful news. Every little reduction in the madness is welcome.
 
2008-06-21 12:59:46 PM  
>> While I don't doubt this is possible, do you have a citation?

Pot Shrinks Tumors; Government Knew in '74

http://www.alternet.org/story/9257/
 
2008-06-21 01:01:40 PM  
fifth_of_november: Gov. James Douglas, a critic of the hemp bill, had said the measure flies in the face of federal statutes and could ultimately complicate marijuana eradication efforts in the state.

Wrong.

Cross pollination between Marijuana and Hemp destroys the potency of the Marijuana. If anything, Hemp would aid in eradication efforts.

Not that I favor eradication, but such a profoundly ignorant statement needed to be corrected.


By my understanding it would only destroy potency in next generation of plants. The current crop would be fertilized and therefore filled with seeds. Those seeds would grow hemp.
 
2008-06-21 01:02:43 PM  
>> Pot Shrinks Tumors; Government Knew in '74

From the article -

Most Americans don't know anything about the Madrid discovery. Virtually no major U.S. newspapers carried the story, which ran only once on the AP and UPI news wires, on Feb. 29, 2000.

The ominous part is that this isn't the first time scientists have discovered that THC shrinks tumors. In 1974 researchers at the Medical College of Virginia, who had been funded by the National Institute of Health to find evidence that marijuana damages the immune system, found instead that THC slowed the growth of three kinds of cancer in mice -- lung and breast cancer, and a virus-induced leukemia.

The DEA quickly shut down the Virginia study and all further cannabis/tumor research, according to Jack Herer, who reports on the events in his book, "The Emperor Wears No Clothes." In 1976 President Gerald Ford put an end to all public cannabis research
 
2008-06-21 01:05:45 PM  
Crocodile: This is wonderful news. Every little reduction in the madness is welcome.

there are some cracks in the DEA wall of propaganda and lies regarding cannabis....but the Fed won't give up easily. Despite the fact that more and more medical research is proving the benefits of cannabis (not to mention the industrial applications), the Fed still refuses to even acknowledge the existence of the data, let alone consider the implications for their 'war on drugs'.
 
2008-06-21 01:18:46 PM  
Yay.
 
2008-06-21 01:19:01 PM  
fifth_of_november: Gov. James Douglas, a critic of the hemp bill, had said the measure flies in the face of federal statutes and could ultimately complicate marijuana eradication efforts in the state.

Wrong.

Cross pollination between Marijuana and Hemp destroys the potency of the Marijuana. If anything, Hemp would aid in eradication efforts.

Not that I favor eradication, but such a profoundly ignorant statement needed to be corrected.


QFT
 
2008-06-21 01:20:34 PM  
My own story.

I have been a heavy pot smoker for almost 40 years now.

In college i was enrolled in Electrical Engineering and continued to to smoke heavy. Graduated in the top 1% of the class. 3.76 GPA.

I exercise fairly heavy most of which consists of hiking up the very steep mountains for prolonged periods. There has been no impact on my stamina. No shortness of breath.
 
2008-06-21 01:21:48 PM  
But but but but but whatever happened to "just say no to drugs"?

Oh, that's right, it's all bullshiat and graft.
 
2008-06-21 01:36:56 PM  
Thomas Paine insisted America could win a war with the British king because "hemp flourishes here".

George Washington was a hemp farmer who praised native Indian hemp.

The Declaration of Independence and the Constitution were drafted on hemp paper.

Thomas Jefferson wrote that hemp "is of first necessity to the commerce and marine, in other words to the wealth and protection of the country."


Why did the founders hate America?
 
2008-06-21 01:50:55 PM  
RyanWillia

The ban is really silly, to be honest. I have never worn or eaten any hemp products. The clothing looks really uncomfortable and hemp bread looks really unappetising. Does anyone have an honest opinion about hemp products they have actually used in real life?

I had a pair of hemp pants, and they were the most comfortable I've ever worn.

/Unfortunately the stitching sucked, so they only lasted about a year.
 
2008-06-21 01:53:48 PM  
They still haven't got anything that can touch the strength, handling and cheapness of hemp rope for large ropes, especially those used on ships.
 
2008-06-21 02:02:06 PM  
Hemp for Victory!

www.hort.purdue.edu

i44.photobucket.com
Hemp farmers on American money

/shameless hotlinker
//forget about growing corn for useless Ethanol. Hemp for victory!
 
2008-06-21 02:10:30 PM  
Bob16: The DEA quickly shut down the Virginia study and all further cannabis/tumor research, according to Jack Herer, who reports on the events in his book, "The Emperor Wears No Clothes." In 1976 President Gerald Ford put an end to all public cannabis research

Just in case anyone is curious, "The Emperor Wears No Clothes"
 
2008-06-21 02:39:02 PM  
Every American should listen to Jello Biafra's "Grow More Pot" speech.

Grow more Pot (new window)

He briefly discusses "The Emperor wears no clothes".

/Non smoker
 
2008-06-21 02:42:03 PM  
RyanWillia: The ban is really silly, to be honest. Does anyone have an honest opinion about hemp products they have actually used in real life?

Really, hemp could save the world in a lot of ways. There's a global protein deficiency problem and animals are really inefficient to raise for that purpose. The population factor will have to re-dictate how things are managed in society.

www.manitobaharvest.com

Hemp can be grown FAST, without herbicides or pesticides, thus reducing not only the demand for such products but reducing their environmental impact, which is good. It takes less water than soybeans or cotton or other equivalent crops. Hemp\cotton blends are super-soft and quite durable. Hemp can be used to make paper that is much, much stronger than wood-paper and it can be recycled 7 times longer. Plus you don't have to cut down all those slow-growing, CO2 absorbing forests. You can make fuel oil from it.

It just baffles me that society has turned its back on such a ridiculously useful plant.

The Environmental Benefits of Using Industrial Hemp (new window)

Hemp: A New Crop with New Uses for North America" Purdue University's Trends in New Crops and New Uses (pdf) (new window)
 
2008-06-21 02:47:31 PM  
Ah, somehow posted the pre-edited version of my post. Important things I wanted in there:

Hemp is a complete protein. Has all the amino acids you need in there. Also notice in the nutrition facts how much OMEGA-3\6\9 is there. Those are ridiculously good for you and fish is the main modern source. Fisheries all over the place are collapsing. Substitute hemp!

"Huge reductions chemical use can be achieved by returning to rotation agriculture. Hemp grown in rotation with wheat in England resulted in a 20% increase in wheat yield, without any commensurate increase in chemical or energy inputs. In Ontario, hemp grown in rotation with soybeans reduced cyst nematode infestation by 50-75%."

"On fields where nitrogen is the limiting factor to crop growth, hemp requires about 50% of the nitrogen fertilizer as corn.
50% of all pesticides used in this country are associated with cotton. Hemp can substitute for many uses of cotton. "
 
2008-06-21 03:16:30 PM  
MoreCowbell!:By my understanding it would only destroy potency in next generation of plants. The current crop would be fertilized and therefore filled with seeds. Those seeds would grow hemp.

Yeah, but no one wants seeds in their kind bud. And pollination does reduce THC content because the female plant switches away from THC production (teh stick icky helps catch the male pollen that is floating around) and into seed production.
 
2008-06-21 03:26:31 PM  
FarkingFarkers: MoreCowbell!:By my understanding it would only destroy potency in next generation of plants. The current crop would be fertilized and therefore filled with seeds. Those seeds would grow hemp.

Yeah, but no one wants seeds in their kind bud. And pollination does reduce THC content because the female plant switches away from THC production (teh stick icky helps catch the male pollen that is floating around) and into seed production.


Actually, AFAIK the ONLY purpose (from the plant's perspective) of THC production is to catch pollen.
 
2008-06-21 03:36:34 PM  
Could it be that we're finally tired of all the lies and graft the "War On Drugs" is founded on????

Nahhhhhhhh....

That being said, GO VERMONT!

Wish they'd pass a law like that in Cali, we could use a fast growing, soil-enriching crop that doesn't require vast quantities of water. We could be the new paper supplier for most of the country if we worked it right.
 
2008-06-21 03:38:31 PM  
Frank N Stein: Hemp medicine cures cancer and, when used as a fuel, only emits rainbows as emissions.

the stupid is strong with this one
 
2008-06-21 03:59:21 PM  
Hemp can grow that far north, in Vermont?

Are there any countries today growing hemp (legally)?

/ not hemp smart
// what if dope heads hide their pot next to legit hemp ??
 
2008-06-21 04:08:31 PM  
FarkingFarkers: MoreCowbell!:By my understanding it would only destroy potency in next generation of plants. The current crop would be fertilized and therefore filled with seeds. Those seeds would grow hemp.

Yeah, but no one wants seeds in their kind bud. And pollination does reduce THC content because the female plant switches away from THC production (teh stick icky helps catch the male pollen that is floating around) and into seed production.


good to know... for someone else... *shifty eyes*

I figure if you're growing some kind, it's indo or no do

however. when your out or almost out and desperate you'll smoke sticks & dirt.
 
2008-06-21 05:10:53 PM  
MBA Whore: Are there any countries today growing hemp

Hemp is cultivated virtually everywhere in the world except for the United States, and its cultivation in western countries is growing steadily

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hemp

as usual
ONLY the US is ass backwards
go figure
 
2008-06-21 06:59:39 PM  
Fun fact: the word canvas actually comes from the word cannabis, because that's what canvas was made from back in the day.
 
2008-06-21 08:54:15 PM  
I think that marijuana prohibition is ridiculous, but hemp prohibition is absolutely asinine, beyond all possible belief.

It's like banning flour or icing sugar because it looks like cocaine, or restricting non-alcoholic beer because it tastes (truthfully, probably not) like beer.

/Canadian
//Sometimes wonders if you guys down there will make it
///and drag us down by virtue of proximity
 
2008-06-21 11:04:33 PM  
Hemp for Victory (new window)
 
2008-06-21 11:10:07 PM  
Wow, wonder how long it will take for this to be legislated out of existence again by some dipshiat with ties to corn/cotton/logging lobbyists using the 'war on drugs' excuse? I sincerely hope this catches on, as I'm tired of paying 100-300% markups buying imported hemp fabric.
 
2008-06-22 02:01:01 AM  
FarkingFarkers: MoreCowbell!:By my understanding it would only destroy potency in next generation of plants. The current crop would be fertilized and therefore filled with seeds. Those seeds would grow hemp.

Yeah, but no one wants seeds in their kind bud. And pollination does reduce THC content because the female plant switches away from THC production (teh stick icky helps catch the male pollen that is floating around) and into seed production.

Actually, AFAIK the ONLY purpose (from the plant's perspective) of THC production is to catch pollen.


Some articles I've read has stated that cannabis will produce more trichomes and have a higher THC content when exposed to greater amounts of UV rays. Also, strains native to a dry climate (Afghani, anyone?) produce large amounts of resin to protect from excessive transpiration.

/Not disagreeing, just passing along what I've found.
 
2008-06-22 02:04:38 AM  
Kona_Bean: Ah, somehow posted the pre-edited version of my post. Important things I wanted in there:

Hemp is a complete protein. Has all the amino acids you need in there. Also notice in the nutrition facts how much OMEGA-3\6\9 is there. Those are ridiculously good for you and fish is the main modern source. Fisheries all over the place are collapsing. Substitute hemp!

"Huge reductions chemical use can be achieved by returning to rotation agriculture. Hemp grown in rotation with wheat in England resulted in a 20% increase in wheat yield, without any commensurate increase in chemical or energy inputs. In Ontario, hemp grown in rotation with soybeans reduced cyst nematode infestation by 50-75%."

"On fields where nitrogen is the limiting factor to crop growth, hemp requires about 50% of the nitrogen fertilizer as corn.
50% of all pesticides used in this country are associated with cotton. Hemp can substitute for many uses of cotton. "


To add to the hemp vs. cotton point, I believe a large amount of the base chemicals used for all parts of cotton's lifescycle are derived from petro-chemical byproducts. Essentially, keeping cotton the main crop means that oil companies can sell what their plants shiat out after they've extracted all they needed.
 
2008-06-22 02:07:44 AM  
WALMART.saves:
Now, if only I could power my diesel with hemp fuel. It would just complete the picture.


If the tech of using bacteria excreting a proper substitute for oil, using any vegetable biomass for food, then hemp would be the fuel crop of choice. Imagine growing your own fuel in your own back yard.
 
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