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(Fox News)   Cops ring bell at 3 A.M. to let man know his garage door was open, the TV was on, keys to his truck were left in the ignition, the door to his house was ajar, and his bedroom was poorly decorated   (foxnews.com ) divider line
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2008-06-21 01:19:00 AM  
The Grinch

Awesome. Immediately you resort to calling me an idiot because I put out a perfectly valid point. I'm willing to listen to you. You don't have to start insulting people to get your ideas across. Guess who looks like the idiot? Wait, I already know. Me.
 
2008-06-21 01:19:40 AM  
YoungSwedishBlonde: WOW, there's actually people defending the police here. Un-f*ckin-believable.

Yeah -- believe it or not, in this country, many people become police officers to benefit the community and not to gain power as authoritarian government-sanctioned gangsters.
 
2008-06-21 01:19:58 AM  
YoungSwedishBlonde: MIGuy: So, have the cops kicked in your door lately? How about somebody in your family? Somebody you know? Ok then, STFU drama queen.

Considering the cops have no right to enter your residence without a warrant or other reasonable justification, f*cking right I'm going to be a drama queen.


Yep, a few isolated cases mean we're on our way to becoming Nazi Germany. Get a hobby or something. Hating on authority quit being cool a long time ago.
 
2008-06-21 01:22:12 AM  
nebjammer: i always want to wake up at 3 o'clock looking at a barrel of a gun with a police officer standing in back of it. They said that the action was justified. Last time i checked, tresspassing was illegal. Another Fark headline, On duty police officer arrested for tresspassing. Just wait. itll happen.

The cops had not drawn their weapons, let alone actually aimed them at the guy. They were not tresspassing, they were investigating suspicious circumstances.

The whole situation reinforced the officer's impression that something was amiss, and so they checked it out. It was as simple as that. As many have pointed out before, if the guy was dead or dieing, and the cops didn't do what they did, the same exact people who are yelling about rights and all that would be saying that the cops were horrible for ignoring all the signs.

I'm of course not saying that we should ignore people's rights, but this was not a violation of those rights. This was some concerned police officers trying to ensure the safety of a citizen.
 
2008-06-21 01:22:13 AM  
Waffle of Justice: /Trespassing at that hour is a bad idea whom ever you are.

"Trespassing" implies they didn't have a legal right to be there. When you're a police officer with reason to think a crime may have been committed--because the homeowner isn't answering the door and the adjacent garage is open--that word no longer applies.
 
2008-06-21 01:22:21 AM  
The Grinch:It's called an exigent circumstance, idiot. Suspicious circumstances indicate potential problems. For example, an open house at 3:00am could indicate a burglary. An unanswered doorbell reinforces that decision, justifying further investigation.

You absolute-rights retards are just as unreasonable as the no-rights nanny-state retards. Much as it would spice up your dull and repetitive life, the government is not out to get you. You're neither that interesting nor that important.

There is no absolute test for determining if exigent circumstances exist, but general factors have been identified. These include: clear evidence of probable cause; the seriousness of the offense and likelihood of destruction of evidence; limitations on the search to minimize the intrusion only to preventing destruction of evidence; and clear indications of exigency.

Still believe there was probable cause to enter?

tjfly: If the vehicle had the keys inside and th door's wide open, so you can rule out theft? Why - please clarify why this means there are no criminals in a house with doors wide open at 3 am because ketys are in the car.

I didn't cite just one reason as to why there was no probable cause but three. In visiting all three facts it cannot be reasonably determined that any criminal act was taking place inside the home. Lets say that the keys were in the vehicle, the garage was open, the TV on, but the door was locked. Do you think the police would still have probable cause to enter? Do you not think a criminal can lock a door from the inside?

Simply put, in this particular situation the police had no probable cause to enter.
 
2008-06-21 01:22:25 AM  
blazemongr: Yeah -- believe it or not, in this country, many people become police officers to benefit the community and not to gain power as authoritarian government-sanctioned gangsters.

Believe it or not, I actually grew up in wealthy suburb of Minneapolis, and we left our garage door open many nights. (HOLY SHIAT, CALL DA POLICE!!!!)

There's absolutely no justification for the cops to enter the house. NONE.
 
2008-06-21 01:22:32 AM  
MIguy: YoungSwedishBlonde: Ummmm, yea, they actually are, Bozo.

So, have the cops kicked in your door lately? How about somebody in your family? Somebody you know? Ok then, STFU drama queen.


Hi,

Yes. Yes they have.

Not kicked in, but they didn't exactly give us a choice.

Ruined a perfectly good fishing trip with my father.
 
2008-06-21 01:22:51 AM  
Imagine ...I came home from work with the intent to jump my man, so I forgot to take the keys out of the car, after I parked in the garage. Closed the front door, and told the kids to watch cartoons so Mom and Dad could talk. The next thing I know, a bunch of unwanted people are in my bedroom. Would I be upset, you have no idea how much.
 
2008-06-21 01:23:31 AM  
YoungSwedishBlonde: WOW, there's actually people defending the police here. Un-f*ckin-believable.

WTF??? what's so horrible about people siding with police every once in awhile? I promise no one will have to know, if you assume liking police will make you lose cool points or something.
 
2008-06-21 01:24:19 AM  
MIGuy:
Yep, a few isolated cases mean we're on our way to becoming Nazi Germany. Get a hobby or something. Hating on authority quit being cool a long time ago.


Wow, considering I actually GREW UP near where this happened and that I'm the last person to indict the police on wrong doing, you're putting a whole lot of words in my mouth.

However, an open f*cking garage door is NO EXCUSE for a police officer to enter your house, PERIOD.
 
2008-06-21 01:24:21 AM  
MIguy: YoungSwedishBlonde: MIGuy: So, have the cops kicked in your door lately? How about somebody in your family? Somebody you know? Ok then, STFU drama queen.

Considering the cops have no right to enter your residence without a warrant or other reasonable justification, f*cking right I'm going to be a drama queen.

Yep, a few isolated cases mean we're on our way to becoming Nazi Germany. Get a hobby or something. Hating on authority quit being cool a long time ago.


Hating on authority will never stop being cool.
 
2008-06-21 01:24:26 AM  
johntonia: Awesome. Immediately you resort to calling me an idiot because I put out a perfectly valid point. I'm willing to listen to you. You don't have to start insulting people to get your ideas across. Guess who looks like the idiot? Wait, I already know. Me.

You forgot to actually respond to his rebuttal, by the way.
 
2008-06-21 01:25:02 AM  
MIguy: Bunnyhat: Nooo, the man said he thought he had shut but not locked the front door.

No, he said that he remembered shutting the door. Don't change the facts of the case to help your argument.



Thought, remembered; it's the same damned thing in this context. The guy said he shut the door, but apparently couldn't be bothered to shut the garage, lock the front door, or remove the keys from the outside of the house. But way to go on your stellar counter-point in this lovely debate.

I want everyone to read this and then repeat it over and over and over until it sinks in. The police are not out to get you. The police are not out to get you. THE FARKING POLICE ARE NOT OUT TO GET YOU. 99.9% of them are there to do their job of protecting people just like you. Protecting you from people who would do you harm, both physically and financially.

Yes, there is the occasionally officer who has screwed up and even some that are just bad or evil. They are the minority, but I agree with stomping down on them so hard when they are caught. However that doesn't mean anything in the end.

Don't tie the hands of every police officer in their jobs of trying to keep you safe by spewing off about what rights you thing have been violated.

All these cops did was try to make sure this man and his family were alright. That's it. I'll be up and arms and ready to set fire with the police station with everyone else here if they had then arrested him for something they saw once inside the house, and I would have supported any cause of violation of the 4th amendment has well. But that's not what these cops did.
 
2008-06-21 01:25:33 AM  
The Grinch: It's called an exigent circumstance, idiot. Suspicious circumstances indicate potential problems. For example, an open house at 3:00am could indicate a burglary. An unanswered doorbell reinforces that decision, justifying further investigation.

You absolute-rights retards are just as unreasonable as the no-rights nanny-state retards. Much as it would spice up your dull and repetitive life, the government is not out to get you. You're neither that interesting nor that important.


This.

I don't know where some of the "absolute-rights" people live in but I think this definitely qualifies as "Reasonable Suspicion". Personally, I'd be more disturbed if the cops just left and went on their way.

/typically very suspicious of police
//against no-warrant entries
///still think the cops made the right choice here
 
2008-06-21 01:26:12 AM  
From TFA: "his garage door was open, the TV was on, keys to his truck were left in the ignition and the door to his house was ajar."

According to the cops, the door was open before they got there.

/glad there are cops protecting and serving the community
 
2008-06-21 01:26:35 AM  
lauraleelewis:WTF??? what's so horrible about people siding with police every once in awhile? I promise no one will have to know, if you assume liking police will make you lose cool points or something.

Considering I sided with the police on the "don't tase me, bro" incident and many other incidents, I'm fairly casual when it comes to LEOs. But entering a private residence because of an open garage door is absolutely, 110 percent farking illegal. Give me a farking break.
 
2008-06-21 01:26:35 AM  
Ok, srsly guize.

Why the hell did the cops enter if the door was a jar? I mean, yes, it's not a normal portal closure device, but a door is a fricken door, even if it is a jar.

YoungSwedishBlonde: MIGuy: So, have the cops kicked in your door lately? How about somebody in your family? Somebody you know? Ok then, STFU drama queen.

Considering the cops have no right to enter your residence without a warrant or other reasonable justification, f*cking right I'm going to be a drama queen.


Sing it, girl friend. *snap* *snap* *SNAP*
 
2008-06-21 01:26:47 AM  
Dispector:

/typically very suspicious of police
//against no-warrant entries
///still think the cops made the right choice here


agreed.
 
2008-06-21 01:27:33 AM  
johntonia: The Grinch

Awesome. Immediately you resort to calling me an idiot because I put out a perfectly valid point. I'm willing to listen to you. You don't have to start insulting people to get your ideas across. Guess who looks like the idiot? Wait, I already know. Me.


It's because your perfectly valid point sounds like something Walter Sobchak would say.

"this affects all of us, man!"
 
2008-06-21 01:27:45 AM  
FTA: "the door to his house was ajar.... the officers' initial door knocks were not answered.... the kids inside - Molde's two sons and two nephews - were afraid to wake Molde.... In May, a 52-year-old Burnsville man was stabbed and left to die in his burning town house after two assailants entered his home at 4:30 a.m. by way of an open garage door."

YoungSwedishBlonde: There's absolutely no justification for the cops to enter the house. NONE.

How about the fact that nobody was answering the door, then, despite the fact that it was obviously occupied? Would you consider that justification?
 
2008-06-21 01:28:21 AM  
YoungSwedishBlonde: Wow, considering I actually GREW UP near where this happened

Well that settles it then. Like I said, find a hobby.
 
2008-06-21 01:28:55 AM  
This reminds me of a time wayyyy back in the eighties when I was sleeping at my girl friend's house. All of a sudden at 1:00am, the stereo of her next door neighbor (a house) went up to eleventy.

I was still buzzed, so courageous...and stumbled next door to pound on their door and found it ajar.

I shouted "Hey Hey Anyone Here?"

No answer...several times.

I entered the house, saw the stereo (that's what we called it in those days) and turned down the volume...THEN I RAN LIKE HELL OUT OF THERE.

Never found out what the deal was that night. Girl friend didn't work out either..Go Figure.
 
2008-06-21 01:28:56 AM  
blazemongr

No, it's just pointless. I know where he stands and where it will go if I persist. I stated my case. I've said what I have to say. Some will agree with me and some won't. It's Fark.
 
2008-06-21 01:29:24 AM  
blazemongr: How about the fact that nobody was answering the door, then, despite the fact that it was obviously occupied? Would you consider that justification

Wow, people not responding in a large suburban home at 3am! More at 11...
 
2008-06-21 01:30:41 AM  
YoungSwedishBlonde: lauraleelewis:WTF??? what's so horrible about people siding with police every once in awhile? I promise no one will have to know, if you assume liking police will make you lose cool points or something.

Considering I sided with the police on the "don't tase me, bro" incident and many other incidents, I'm fairly casual when it comes to LEOs. But entering a private residence because of an open garage door is absolutely, 110 percent farking illegal. Give me a farking break.


you should read the article. there were many more reasons for concern of the homeowner than simply an open garage door.
 
2008-06-21 01:30:49 AM  
johntonia: No, it's just pointless. I know where he stands and where it will go if I persist. I stated my case. I've said what I have to say. Some will agree with me and some won't. It's Fark.

Which is why you're morally obliged to continue this debate ad nauseam. Geez, man, get with the culture.
 
2008-06-21 01:30:55 AM  
MIGuy: Well that settles it then. Like I said, find a hobby.

Obviously your hobby won't be Constitutional Law.
 
2008-06-21 01:31:28 AM  
Bunnyhat: The police are not out to get you.

News flash buddy. Check the hundreds of cop bashing threads posted to Fark. I am always on the side of the cops. In this instance the cops made a mistake. It's not a big deal as far as I'm concerned but if the door to the house was shut, the cops shouldn't have entered the home.
 
2008-06-21 01:32:49 AM  
MIguy: It's not a big deal as far as I'm concerned but if the door to the house was shut, the cops shouldn't have entered the home.

Cops say it wasn't.
 
2008-06-21 01:33:17 AM  
Substitute Neighbors for cops and how does this story pan out??? I remember when our local police where also our neighbors.

Stop being so parinoid that evry event is an infringement of your constitutional rights. Jeez, this is a case of people looking out for other people. Although, since the sensible ones here wear a government uniform, suddenly ZOMGZZ!! Teh CopZ Are StealinG My Rightz, Lawsuitz and Millionz!!$$$$$!

//Got your back
 
2008-06-21 01:33:48 AM  
lauraleelewis: there were many more reasons for concern of the homeowner than simply an open garage door.

OMG, his mud room door was ajar!!!! EVERYONE PANIC!!!

/my German Shepard knows how to open the damn door for fark's sake
 
2008-06-21 01:33:50 AM  
YoungSwedishBlonde: Obviously your hobby won't be Constitutional Law.

Oh snap! You better log off because I'm sure the Feds are reading this and on their way to kick in your door.
 
2008-06-21 01:34:20 AM  
blazemongr: MIguy: It's not a big deal as far as I'm concerned but if the door to the house was shut, the cops shouldn't have entered the home.

Cops say it wasn't.


Cops say lots of things.

Unfortunately, they're people, so they might not always say the truth.

Not saying that they lied, I'm just saying that they might be lying.
 
2008-06-21 01:34:25 AM  
YoungSwedishBlonde: Obviously your hobby won't be Constitutional Law.

Foul, ad hominem. Fifteen-love, MIGuy's serve.
 
2008-06-21 01:34:34 AM  
blazemongr: Cops say it wasn't.

Your point? Like I said, I don't consider it a big deal.
 
2008-06-21 01:34:54 AM  
MIGuy: Oh snap! You better log off because I'm sure the Feds are reading this and on their way to kick in your door.

Given that I'm the last guy in the world to worry about black helicopters, you better find a different stereotype for me.
 
2008-06-21 01:34:56 AM  
ollin: i just read some of the exploits of the legendary Mall Ninja. I think Gecko45 missed his (its?) calling as a military fiction writer... wow, just wow. Muy crazytime.
 
2008-06-21 01:35:26 AM  
A door is a jar.
 
2008-06-21 01:35:55 AM  
The front door was open! How can any sensible person not think that something might be wrong there?

Take this for instance: Someone notices that their neighbor's door is open very late at night. They call the police, worried that someone may have broken in. The police go to investigate, and get absolutely no response when knocking on the door.

Can you honestly say that an entry of the house would be completely unjustified then? The police would be entirely within their rights, and indeed their duty, to investigate fully, to ensure the safety of the resident of the home. The only difference in this case is that it was the police themselves that noticed the problem, because they happened to be in the area anyway.
 
2008-06-21 01:35:58 AM  
Hating on authority will never stop being cool

Hear Hear!
 
2008-06-21 01:36:08 AM  
johntonia: blazemongr

No, it's just pointless. I know where he stands and where it will go if I persist. I stated my case. I've said what I have to say. Some will agree with me and some won't. It's Fark.


You're a dumb ass.

DEBATE THAT!
 
2008-06-21 01:37:08 AM  
ManatOrr: Not saying that they lied, I'm just saying that they might be lying.

So, you're saying they lied. Because if you thought they weren't, you'd not have bothered mentioning it.
 
2008-06-21 01:37:12 AM  
one thing that the article does not say is if one of the 4 children told the cops they could come inside to wake dad up. Once any one of the kids said to come in then its completely justified.

also for anyone that did not read TFA

"n May, a 52-year-old Burnsville man was stabbed and left to die in his burning town house after two assailants entered his home at 4:30 a.m. by way of an open garage door."

they are preforming a public awareness campaign after a brutal murder / arson in the area.
 
2008-06-21 01:37:56 AM  
YoungSwedishBlonde: Given that I'm the last guy in the world to worry about black helicopters, you better find a different stereotype for me.

So the police and the government are out to violate your rights but you're not worried about it? Ladies and gentlemen, we have an internet tough guy sighting.
 
2008-06-21 01:38:26 AM  
Dispector: You're a dumb ass. DEBATE THAT!

Now we're cookin' with grass, ladies and gentlemen.
 
2008-06-21 01:38:45 AM  
YoungSwedishBlonde
Considering the cops have no right to enter your residence without a warrant or other reasonable justification, f*cking right I'm going to be a drama queen.

The front door was ajar and nobody answered the door when they knocked. That's suspicious. And yes, in those cases they do have the right to just enter and verify no crime has taken place.

As someone who actually closes the goddamn front door, I'd certainly want the cops to check if they saw my door open in the middle of the night, because that would mean I'd been robbed or assaulted.
 
2008-06-21 01:39:16 AM  
Wow... cops doing their jobs and actually providing a service for the public this time, without overstepping their bounds or tazing anyone... REAL scarry there subby. -1 for your paranoia

Should have used the dumbass tag, as in: subby is a dumbass.
 
2008-06-21 01:39:26 AM  
MIguy: blazemongr: Cops say it wasn't.

Your point? Like I said, I don't consider it a big deal.


upload.wikimedia.org

Heres a photo of good natured cops helping this man with the bus schedule.

There is a difference between being a good neighbor and having no legal basis to enter a private residence.

/also live in a small town where the doors are rarely locked, garage door left open and when a teen was told to leave my keys in the vehicle in case it needed to be moved.
//perspective counts
 
2008-06-21 01:40:55 AM  
Snowflake Tubbybottom: Heres a photo of good natured cops helping this man with the bus schedule.

Wow, that's not out of context at all.

/can't go to bed yet
//someone is wrong on the internet
 
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