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(National Post)   Obama's Father's Day speech finally makes him as conservative as Robert Kennedy   (nationalpost.com) divider line 70
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2008-06-18 01:30:21 PM  
yeah sorry, i only listen to people who wear flag pins
 
2008-06-18 01:30:49 PM  
Is Obama right? Or is he just picking on Black dads?
 
2008-06-18 01:34:40 PM  
Oh yeah? Well, RFK never used the Terrorist Fist BumpTM so Obama is still a Marxist.
 
2008-06-18 01:35:29 PM  
I'm sick of so many Obama stories.

Where's my RON PAUL fix?
 
2008-06-18 01:35:39 PM  
Obama's Fathers Day speech:

In 2009, you'll twist to this
As you raise your fist to the music
United we stand, yes divided we fall
Together we can stand tall
Brothers that try to work it out
They get mad, revolt, revise, realize
They're super bad
Small chance a smart brother's
Gonna be a victim of his own circumstance
Sabotaged, Shellshocked, rocked and ruled
Day in the life of a fool
Like I said before to live it low
Life take you time, time yo go slow
Look here, not a thing to fear
Brother to brother not another as sincere
Teach a man how to be father
To never tell a woman he can't bother
You can't say you don't know
What I'm talkin' 'bout
But one day ... brothers gonna work it out
 
2008-06-18 01:36:02 PM  
... racism by whites, on a lack of government spending or societal indifference. ...

We are certain many of the solutions Mr. Obama would entertain to cure the plague of fatherless homes are ones that involve state intervention and expensive programs -- policies we would be opposed to. Still, we can't quibble with his diagnosis.

He picked a good time to come out of his oratorical bubble.



I report, you decide



/national post sucks a lot of ass
 
2008-06-18 01:37:19 PM  
Yet he did not take the easy road. Reminding his audience that he was raised mostly without a father, he planted the blame squarely on individuals and communities.

Did he just throw his father under the bus?
 
2008-06-18 01:37:46 PM  

I'm convinced that there is nothing this man could say that The National Post wouldn't intentionally misinterpret.

Imagine the gall of that man giving a speech that talks about two parents raising a child as a family.

My God, next he'll claim it takes an entire village.


What? No rant about wanting to enslave all white people?
 
2008-06-18 01:38:45 PM  
Richard Pye: I'm sick of so many Obama stories.

Where's my RON PAUL fix?

i170.photobucket.com
Time get on the the Bobbar train
 
2008-06-18 01:40:26 PM  
Saiga410: Yet he did not take the easy road. Reminding his audience that he was raised mostly without a father, he planted the blame squarely on individuals and communities.

Did he just throw his father under the bus?


Just made him sit in the back.
 
2008-06-18 01:40:36 PM  
You can't dictate morality, Barry.

"Family Values" is a hollow platform no matter who's espousing it.
 
2008-06-18 01:40:50 PM  
This is some sort of treacherous super-secret Muslim diversion tactic. Everyone knows Commu-atheists love single moms (the more kids/baby daddies the better) even more than they love abortions.
 
2008-06-18 01:41:31 PM  
wow from the looks of that new Quinnipiac poll Barack is pulling away in the swing states. 12 pt lead in Pa. Nice leads in Fla and Ohio too.
 
2008-06-18 01:43:10 PM  
Make no mistake, Robert Kennedy was capable of vacuous verbal flourishes of his own, such as his famous "ripples of hope" passage: "Each time a man stands for an ideal, or acts to improve the lot of others, or strikes out against injustice, he sends a tiny ripple of hope." Still, he also just as often confronted touchy issues head-on.

The benevolence of welfare, for instance, was a fashionable "given" among intellectuals and politicians during the mid-1960s' War on Poverty. While running for president in 1968, though, senator Kennedy called for a substantial reduction of lavish personal payments from Washington because welfare robbed "a man's soul of the dignity that comes from having a job and providing for one's self and family."


I really hate Sirhan Sirhan
 
2008-06-18 01:44:48 PM  
makes him as conservative as Robert Kennedy

So he's banging hot blondes and pissing off Teamsters now?
 
2008-06-18 01:45:13 PM  
Barack Obama is going to be the next president because of great things like this speech... speaking the truth to groups that don't want to hear it.

I just can't wait until all the Bush-loving trolls and bottom feeders are suddenly against illegal wire taps when a Democrat is in office.

Thanks for the $9 Trillion in Debt Reagan and Bush! Way to be conservative.
 
2008-06-18 01:46:09 PM  
Muslims don't have fathers, they're actually mutated camels. Obama wants a camel in every house in America to "save money on gas". Coincidence?

/Ron Paul!
 
2008-06-18 01:46:17 PM  
doyner: Oh yeah? Well, RFK never used the Terrorist Fist Bump JabTM so Obama is still a Marxist.

/FTFY
 
2008-06-18 01:46:31 PM  
Saiga410: Did he just throw his father under the bus?

i89.photobucket.com
 
2008-06-18 01:47:15 PM  
pacified: Barack Obama is going to be the next president because of great things like this speech... speaking the truth to groups that don't want to hear it.

I just can't wait until all the Bush-loving trolls and bottom feeders are suddenly against illegal wire taps when a Democrat is in office.

Thanks for the $9 Trillion in Debt Reagan and Bush! Way to be conservative.


Bill Cosby didn't get the same positive reaction.
 
2008-06-18 01:47:15 PM  
Hideously Gigantic Smurf: You can't dictate legislate morality, Barry.

Explaining your morals is a good thing and encouraging others to follow is a good thing. Forcing them with government is not.
 
2008-06-18 01:47:27 PM  
Obama knows he can criticize black men because they don't vote.
 
2008-06-18 01:47:59 PM  
Saiga410: Yet he did not take the easy road. Reminding his audience that he was raised mostly without a father, he planted the blame squarely on individuals and communities.

Did he just throw his father under the bus?


No, but the National Post is so far in the bag for John McCain ('cuz he's a "friend of Israel") that they make it sound like Obama is throwing his father under the bus...
 
2008-06-18 01:48:43 PM  
FunkyBlue: doyner: Oh yeah? Well, RFK never used the Terrorist Fist Bump JabTM so Obama is still a Marxist.

/FTFY


Thanks. That shows just how much I pay attention to that BS minutia.
 
2008-06-18 01:49:32 PM  
pacified: Barack Obama is going to be the next president because of great things like this speech... speaking the truth to groups that don't want to hear it.

I just can't wait until all the Bush-loving trolls and bottom feeders are suddenly against illegal wire taps when a Democrat is in office.

Thanks for the $9 Trillion in Debt Reagan and Bush! Way to be conservative.


There's another $100 trillion in mandatory spending from unfunded obligations.

Medicare part D was another 30 or so trillion for the Pharma lobby, at the low low cost of 0 present tax increases

Don't forget state and municipal budgets as well. You can always sell Alaska
 
2008-06-18 01:52:43 PM  
Saiga410: Did he just throw his father under the bus?

Those of us who had a father who flat out abandoned us think that metaphorically throwing them under a bus is much kinder treatment then they deserve
 
2008-06-18 01:54:27 PM  
Lionel Mandrake: This is some sort of treacherous super-secret Muslim diversion tactic. Everyone knows Commu-atheists love single moms (the more kids/baby daddies the better) even more than they love abortions.

How do you expect we are going to get another generation "addicted" to welfare if this guy keeps this crap up?

Hasn't he gotten the memo?
Personal responsibility is the Republican Party's GOP Party's trademarked slogan - as long as it applies to someone anyone else.
 
2008-06-18 01:54:30 PM  
I'm not sure he has the room to talk. I heard that he had a black baby.
 
2008-06-18 01:55:44 PM  
Here, here, well done Barack. Takes balls to say something like that, especially to that audience. Bill Cosby got roasted for saying similar things. Well played.
 
2008-06-18 01:57:04 PM  
TMBGfreak: Hideously Gigantic Smurf: You can't dictate legislate morality, Barry.

Explaining your morals is a good thing and encouraging others to follow is a good thing. Forcing them with government is not.


Oh, was it "legislate"? My bad.
 
2008-06-18 01:57:12 PM  
atlanta_ufo: I really hate Sirhan Sirhan

I used to but then I converted to the "we really don't know who killed Bobby Kennedy cult" - especially when the latest report shows he was shot from behind by the type of gun one of his Secret Service people was carrying.

Everyone needs something to believe in.
I believe I will go get another drink.
 
2008-06-18 01:57:33 PM  
That is clearly no the father Obama knew.
 
2008-06-18 01:57:57 PM  
h to the 'ojo: I report, you decide

Well, that's because the National Pos...

/national post sucks a lot of ass

...Nevermind, I see you've covered it already.
 
2008-06-18 01:58:42 PM  
Me? I'm happy as hell to see a Democrat pushing traditional family values as a means to cure social ills. More democrats with this attitude, please.
 
2008-06-18 01:59:10 PM  
KaponoFor3: Here, here, well done Barack. Takes balls to say something like that, especially to that audience. Bill Cosby got roasted for saying similar things. Well played.

www.cybersalt.org
 
2008-06-18 01:59:28 PM  
senator_mendoza: yeah sorry, i only listen to people who wear flag pins

Like this guy?

www.southernledger.com
Republican presidential candidate Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., listens to a question during a press briefing at his campaign headquarters in Arlington, Va., Monday, June 16, 2008. (AP Photo/LM Otero)
 
2008-06-18 02:02:45 PM  
Etchy333: Like this guy?

Republicans don't have to prove that they love America. Everyone already knows it. They love it so much, they'll shred the Constitution to save it.
 
2008-06-18 02:02:49 PM  
Hideously Gigantic Smurf: You can't dictate morality, Barry.

"Family Values" is a hollow platform no matter who's espousing it.


You can't legislate it. You can talk about it.

If Obama proposed a law to prosecute absentee fathers, that would (obviously) be stupid (and wrong). But it's not wrong to publicly encourage people to shape up or to address this issue as private citizens, nor would it necessarily be wrong to have government programs to provide marriage counseling and parenting classes.

These things are at the union of liberal and conservative values--using government to improve social welfare by strengthening families and community. If anyone doubts Obama's ability to be a "uniter," not by simply finding compromises that neither side is happy with but by preaching that common ground that nearly all Americans feel strongly about*, here's your evidence.

(* Most libertarians probably don't leap to the notion of government being involved in strengthening family or communities, for valid reasons.)
 
2008-06-18 02:07:09 PM  
burndtdan: image

Contrary to what you might be lead to believe, I agree with Obama on many things, but I also disagree with him on many things. I will call him out when I disagree, but I will also be vocal and say "GG" when he hits something on the head that I agree with.
 
2008-06-18 02:17:02 PM  
FTFA: At other times, he could sound downright conservative. At the heart of "Western freedom and democracy," Kennedy once stated, "is the belief that the individual man, the child of God, is the touchstone of value, therefore the enlargement of liberty for individual human beings must be the supreme goal and the abiding practice of any Western society." If George W. Bush used the same words today, he would no doubt be dismissed as a dangerous fundamentalist and enemy of multicultural sensitivity.

Translation: If a man with a record of charity, humanitarian, and civil liberties work like Obama says we should help people be more free, that's bad. If a man with a record of blowing up stuff, talking smack, and ruining baseball teams says we should help people be more free, that's good.

Stay classy National Post!

/am I the only one who thought Michelle Obama looked kinda hot in that photo?
 
2008-06-18 02:17:08 PM  
FTA: At other times, [Kennedy] could sound downright conservative. At the heart of "Western freedom and democracy," Kennedy once stated, "is the belief that the individual man, the child of God, is the touchstone of value ... therefore the enlargement of liberty for individual human beings must be the supreme goal and the abiding practice of any Western society." If George W. Bush used the same words today, he would no doubt be dismissed as a dangerous fundamentalist and enemy of multicultural sensitivity.

Uuuh...

Actually, I'd like very much for Bush to say something like that, because unlike Kennedy, Bush is for diminishing liberty, not enlarging it.

Do these assholes really think there is such an overwhelming anti-religious bias nowdays as to label any politician who casually invokes his or her deity in regards to their philosophy on politics as a "fundementalist"? Sweet Raptor Jesus, which America are they thinking of? They'd have to throw out every single member of the US congress (save one) if that were the case.

/Agnostic.
 
2008-06-18 02:20:01 PM  
I know a lot of black dads who were kind of perturbed by Obama's remarks. They felt that their efforts to be good dads were being ignored.
I think Obama needs to get out more, away from his elitist Liberal ivory tower and see how regular people live.
 
2008-06-18 02:24:30 PM  
KaponoFor3: Here, here, well done Barack. Takes balls to say something like that, especially to that audience. Bill Cosby got roasted for saying similar things. Well played.

Well played, indeed.
 
2008-06-18 02:26:44 PM  
This is why Obama will win. He can espouse traditionally conservative values without trying to legislate his opinions.

In other words, you won't see him trying to push a constitutional amendment banning whatever he doesn't like.
 
2008-06-18 02:34:33 PM  
pacified: Barack Obama is going to be the next president because of great things like this speech... speaking the truth to groups that don't want to hear it.

I just can't wait until all the Bush-loving trolls and bottom feeders are suddenly against illegal wire taps when a Democrat is in office.

Thanks for the $9 Trillion in Debt Reagan and Bush! Way to be conservative.


You are missing a few Presidents in there.
/just sayn'
 
2008-06-18 02:36:06 PM  
jeffest: You are missing a few Presidents in there.
/just sayn'


IIRC, there was a budget surplus under Clinton. At least he didn't make things worse.

/but what do i know
//canadian.
 
2008-06-18 02:36:35 PM  
Farque Ewe: I know a lot of black dads who were kind of perturbed by Obama's remarks. They felt that their efforts to be good dads were being ignored.
I think Obama needs to get out more, away from his elitist Liberal ivory tower and see how regular people live.


Meh. You gotta stop repeating yourself or people stop paying attention. Try again, louder this time. Although, by this time next year we'll be too busy bringing America back to notice.
 
2008-06-18 02:40:08 PM  
Farque Ewe: I know a lot of black dads who were kind of perturbed by Obama's remarks. They felt that their efforts to be good dads were being ignored.
I think Obama needs to get out more, away from his elitist Liberal ivory tower and see how regular people live.


I think that's a legitimate feeling. I mean, it's Father's Day, but where is their parade? Still, this is a guy who grew up without a dad, and who is now a black dad himself. Good fathers get their own rewards on that day, they don't need a politician buttering them up, but bad fathers need everybody in the room to kick their lazy asses at every opportunity.

/Saw the new Indiana Jones with my awesome dad on father's day
 
2008-06-18 02:41:52 PM  
Well, ok, the stupid wasn't a legitimate feeling, but the other stuff was. There was something else right? I'm pretty sure I saw something. I stand by that.
 
2008-06-18 02:41:57 PM  
Poopspasm: This is why Obama will win. He can espouse traditionally conservative values without trying to legislate his opinions.

In other words, you won't see him trying to push a constitutional amendment banning whatever he doesn't like.


An actual role model for President? I don't know.

I don't think I can fully trust a President who's not cheating on his wife or bombing foreign nations.

My world makes no sense anymore. :(
 
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