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(Gawker)   After suing bloggers for using its headlines, Asssociated Press now changes gears and wants bloggers to purchase a license from them for permission to quote five words or more, so take your Fair Use and go roll a joint with it   ( gawker.com) divider line
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2008-06-17 03:14:10 PM  
This is why bloggers should have anonymous domain name registration and offshore webhosting with a provider that won't cave into demands such as those from the AP.
 
2008-06-17 03:15:06 PM  
Wondered when Fark was going to bring this issue:

The Drudge report started getting threats from AP, because unlike FARK who compltely skews headlines WITH A LINK, Drudge would reproduce them verbatim. Then, soon a huge blogger backlash ...


and now this?

I mean, shouldn't they just be happy to be linked, get the hits and shut their greedy mouths, or am I lost here?
 
2008-06-17 03:16:14 PM  
oups, didnt want to insinuate that drugde doesnt include links, they do... sorry
 
2008-06-17 03:18:19 PM  
They're really, really unclear on the concept of Fair Use.

I think that a number of judges in the near future are going to get the opportunity to explain the concept to them in great detail.
 
2008-06-17 03:20:31 PM  
So, are we in trouble when we submit headlines that begin with "Actual headline:..."?
 
2008-06-17 03:21:50 PM  
You can't negotiate with bloggers.
You can't negotiate with terrorists.

Bloggers are terrorists, send 'em to GITMO.
 
2008-06-17 03:23:26 PM  
EvilEgg: You can't negotiate with bloggers.
You can't negotiate with terrorists.

Bloggers are terrorists, send 'em to GITMO.


At least that will get me out of my parents basement.
 
2008-06-17 03:23:43 PM  
Earguy: So, are we in trouble when we submit headlines that begin with "Actual headline:..."?

Ah! good point... Guess Fark could potentially be next
 
2008-06-17 03:25:26 PM  
I think that a number of judges in the near future are going to get the opportunity to explain the concept to them in great detail.

Possibly, unless they adopt the MPAA/RIAA model, where they file suit, and then extort a settlement (using the threats of continued expensive litigation + a potentially huge damages award for copyright infringement) from whatever blog they sued. Many (most?) bloggers don't make a profit (or make very little profit) from blogging, and will view the risks as not worth it (assuming that they are able to hire a lawyer to represent them in the first place).

I would hope that the court would recognize the threat to the First Amendment that this plan presents, and step up and rein in the AP.
 
2008-06-17 03:45:47 PM  
HappyHarryHardOn: Earguy: So, are we in trouble when we submit headlines that begin with "Actual headline:..."?

Ah! good point... Guess Fark could potentially be next


you know if the headline is less then 5 words it is okay.

but here is the real question: the AP did not write the articles in question, therefor having no creative or intellectual rights to any material being quoted. How is it that they can get away with collecting the money, and would this indicate a strike from reporters not compensated just like the writers guild?
 
2008-06-17 03:52:27 PM  
drworm: but here is the real question: the AP did not write the articles in question, therefor having no creative or intellectual rights to any material being quoted. How is it that they can get away with collecting the money, and would this indicate a strike from reporters not compensated just like the writers guild?

As an AP member, I'd explain it to you but then I'd have to kill you.
 
2008-06-17 03:55:02 PM  
I'm sure AP will eventually realize there is nothing the can do about bloggers and blogging.
 
2008-06-17 04:07:23 PM  
The AP can suck a fart out of my ass.
 
2008-06-17 04:07:26 PM  
Weaver95: I'm sure AP will eventually realize there is nothing the can do about bloggers and blogging.

And the music industry will stop suing people people. And pigs will fly, and we will all live happily ever after.
 
2008-06-17 04:07:36 PM  
This country sucks anymore. You can't do anything without paying for it.
 
2008-06-17 04:08:17 PM  
Weaver95: I'm sure AP will eventually realize there is nothing the can do about bloggers and blogging.

Just like the RIAA and MPAA realizing there's nothing they can do about file sharing?
 
2008-06-17 04:08:48 PM  
The AP can shampoo my crotch.
 
2008-06-17 04:10:59 PM  
The AP can jump up my butt!

/bandwagoneer
 
2008-06-17 04:11:02 PM  
SteelCityKid: This country sucks anymore. You can't do anything without paying for it.

They even cheated you out of proper English education!
 
2008-06-17 04:11:44 PM  
drworm: the AP did not write the articles in question, therefor having no creative or intellectual rights to any material being quoted. How is it that they can get away with collecting the money, and would this indicate a strike from reporters not compensated just like the writers guild?

They can't, but they're going to threaten to do it anyway.

The Supreme Court just ruled against Major League Baseball, who was suing to force fantasy baseball leagues to pay for the use of the stats. The SC ruled that you can't copyright facts, which is what the stats are.

Since the AP is essentially reporting the facts of a story, I can see how the SC/MLB ruling could apply here as well (although I'm not a lawyer, even though I work for them).
 
2008-06-17 04:13:15 PM  
Jument
And the music industry will stop suing people people.

I'd be happy if they'd stop suing just plain "people".
 
2008-06-17 04:13:18 PM  
Fair Use gets you high?

Got any?
 
2008-06-17 04:13:22 PM  
well, the AP and bloggers are the two things inflicting the most damage on the cause of disseminating accurate information and news to the public... so... disband the former and burn the latter.
 
2008-06-17 04:13:35 PM  
Nestea Plunge: The AP can suck a fart out of my ass.

ellegant
 
2008-06-17 04:13:37 PM  
The SC ruled that you can't copyright facts, which is what the stats are.

You can copyright the arrangement of facts.
 
2008-06-17 04:15:10 PM  
Dear Associated Press,

If you are genuinely concerned about losing your reading audience to some dude named SkeeverHax27 and his blogspot website, perhaps the root of the problem isn't blogging. I'm just throwing it out there.
 
2008-06-17 04:15:10 PM  
I think I'll print my part on the office printer
 
2008-06-17 04:15:18 PM  
Good. Someone needs to finally stand up against these attention-whoring blogger fgts... Worthless pieces of shiat, all of em.
 
2008-06-17 04:15:19 PM  
The Crepes of Wrath: They can't, but they're going to threaten to do it anyway.

The Supreme Court just ruled against Major League Baseball, who was suing to force fantasy baseball leagues to pay for the use of the stats. The SC ruled that you can't copyright facts, which is what the stats are.

Since the AP is essentially reporting the facts of a story, I can see how the SC/MLB ruling could apply here as well (although I'm not a lawyer, even though I work for them)


I would suggest you spend more time around these lawyers you work for.
 
2008-06-17 04:15:38 PM  
www.korns.org


RIP Free Speech

Buggered Cross-Eyed and Bloody

This day 17JUN2008

RAMEN

 
2008-06-17 04:15:40 PM  
Mimic_Octopus: well, the AP and bloggers are the two things inflicting the most damage on the cause of disseminating accurate information and news to the public... so... disband the former and burn the latter.

And then Fark would have to shutdown. Think!
 
2008-06-17 04:16:13 PM  
Hamas says it's reached cease-fire with Israel


GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip (AP) -- Gaza's Hamas rulers on Tuesday said they have reached a long-awaited cease-fire with Israel meant to end months of Palestinian assaults on Israeli border towns and bruising Israeli retaliation.


Now Wut?
 
2008-06-17 04:20:35 PM  
The AP can climb a tree and stay there indefinitely.
 
2008-06-17 04:21:36 PM  

These people, the AP, the RIAA, they just don't get it.
It's over!

Anything recorded is free. Oh sure, YOU may not want to access it, but plenty of people will. And they aren't going to pay for it anymore, sorry.

farm3.static.flickr.com
"Licensing Fees!? We don't need no Licensing Fees!"



/the revolution, let me show you it
 
2008-06-17 04:22:02 PM  
whereisian

or, just maybe, we could get unique articles from a varied array of independent investigative journalists and news agencies to discuss.

but we'll probably be stuck with McNews for a long time to come.
 
2008-06-17 04:23:38 PM  
Nestea Plunge: The AP can suck a fart out of my ass.

Brazillian Fart Porn?
 
2008-06-17 04:23:48 PM  
jaidee: Hamas says it's reached cease-fire with Israel
GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip (AP) -- Gaza's Hamas rulers on Tuesday said they have reached a long-awaited....


Wait, am I missing something here? How can you be in violation of any copyright by using a headline if you are citing the source? Isn't that what the (AP) part is? Citing that the headline is sourced from the Associated Press?

I am just a tech guy, so a lot of this is beyond me but I really do not see how in the fark anybody could be held in violation of a copyright if they are citing the copyright holder as the source of the material.

Greedy douchbags.
 
2008-06-17 04:27:25 PM  
Russ1642: Weaver95: I'm sure AP will eventually realize there is nothing the can do about bloggers and blogging.

Just like the RIAA and MPAA realizing there's nothing they can do about file sharing?


Oh, they already know they can't do anything about file sharing. It's driving them bonkers, but they know they can't stop it. At this point its more about petty revenge and inertia than anything else for them.
 
2008-06-17 04:27:58 PM  
In related news, Webster's has just announced that fees will be levied against all persons using content from their dictionary.
 
2008-06-17 04:28:27 PM  
So now we'll all ignore the AP. Hope that works for them.
 
2008-06-17 04:28:40 PM  
Everyone wants to get paid for their own work. No one wants to pay for the work done by others, unless forced to do so.

/applies to news, movies, music, art, etc.
//bring back the Dark Ages
 
2008-06-17 04:29:51 PM  
jaidee: Hamas says it's reached cease-fire with Israel


GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip (AP) -- Gaza's Hamas rulers on Tuesday said they have reached a long-awaited cease-fire with Israel meant to end months of Palestinian assaults on Israeli border towns and bruising Israeli retaliation.


Now Wut?


you will get letters telling you to pay your 12.50 or else... "this message will self destruct in 10 seconds"
 
2008-06-17 04:30:09 PM  
johnnytan88.files.wordpress.com
 
2008-06-17 04:30:21 PM  
meh, fark teh ap. i don't quote them anyway.

Link (new window)
 
2008-06-17 04:30:26 PM  
Maybe people quoted in AP articles ought to charge the AP for use of their words, say a dollar per word?
 
2008-06-17 04:31:38 PM  
If other news sources do not do the same, like Rueters, then AP will just falter. They are just upset because one of their reporters just reported about people no longer buying the papers and reading their news on this new thing called the "internets"
 
2008-06-17 04:31:43 PM  
Weaver95: Russ1642: Weaver95: I'm sure AP will eventually realize there is nothing the can do about bloggers and blogging.

Just like the RIAA and MPAA realizing there's nothing they can do about file sharing?

Oh, they already know they can't do anything about file sharing. It's driving them bonkers, but they know they can't stop it. At this point its more about petty revenge and inertia than anything else for them.


Nothing but flat-out denial.
 
2008-06-17 04:33:08 PM  
Nestea Plunge: The AP can suck a fart out of my ass.

Brilliant!


/AP... sandy vaginer
 
2008-06-17 04:33:08 PM  
"These ten words have been used by the AP before."

Not necessarily in that order.

Do I have to pay up?
 
2008-06-17 04:33:38 PM  
The Crepes of Wrath: drworm: the AP did not write the articles in question, therefor having no creative or intellectual rights to any material being quoted. How is it that they can get away with collecting the money, and would this indicate a strike from reporters not compensated just like the writers guild?

They can't, but they're going to threaten to do it anyway.

The Supreme Court just ruled against Major League Baseball, who was suing to force fantasy baseball leagues to pay for the use of the stats. The SC ruled that you can't copyright facts, which is what the stats are.

Since the AP is essentially reporting the facts of a story, I can see how the SC/MLB ruling could apply here as well (although I'm not a lawyer, even though I work for them).


Whoa! What a whopper! The AP hasn't reported facts in YEARS. In fact, maybe this was the plan after all. They knew a medium would eventually arrive that would threaten the monopoly. So they started the bias and editorializing, knowing that when it came time for supporters of the new medium (which turned out to be the internet) to argue that facts aren't copyrightable, they (AP) could rigthfully claim what they report ISN'T fact.

Either that or they're just biased 'tards. Occam's Razor and all.
 
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