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(ABC News)   Pennsylvania official who introduced new tax on booze surprised to find that it's made him only slightly less popular than Osama bin Laden among Pennsylvanians who drink to try and forget that they have to live in that shiathole   ( divider line
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2008-06-16 12:12:40 PM  
lol - the reason this is even an issue, is b/c the representatives in the western part of the state are dead set against a toll road t help fund SEPTA, and PENN DOT.

Yes, Pennsyltucky. A lot of the state is very backwards.

/born and raised
//enjoy it
///Used to live within walking distance of Victory
2008-06-16 12:23:14 PM  
Xist Abductee - I'm certain that you live in a hip & happening, superior state than PA.
2008-06-16 12:42:49 PM  
Here is what you need to know about the drink tax.

1) The port authority is running in the red because DAN ONORATO approved their contracts 3 years ago.

2) These contracts pay many bus drivers in the 80k a year range.

3) The guy Dan approved to run transit authority? Lifetime union member and defender. Exactly the wrong person to step in and stop massive overspending.

4) There is not an issue between property taxes and drink taxes. Dan has never said why he wanted a drink tax, or why he won't find another tax... or why he won't fix the problem at his own transit authority.

5) Dan Onorato is an accountant - who failed to notify the county council that they didn't need 35million added to their budget. After they approved the drink tax, more money suddenly showed up.

6) Dan Onorato is an account - who never justified taxing bar owners at the maximum allowed by the new law, which will make more than the 35 million he originally wanted.


8) Allegheny County has a shrinking population. Dan Onorato has a growing budget. That doesn't make sense.

Oh and to the people who have no problem with the tax because it does not effect them, that is not thinking very clearly is it? The drink tax doesn't effect me much either... but their are waitresses who no longer make decent money. There are businesses closing. There is a drop in tourism. There is a hit across the board for everyone. So even the people who don't drink - they are still paying more for a burger because a restaurant has to make up for the lost income somewhere...
2008-06-16 12:44:34 PM
2008-06-16 12:52:25 PM  
AaWTWron: Love PA. Grew up there, don't live there anymore. If any state doesn't have Wawa, it doesn't win.

"Do you even know what a Wawa is, girl?"

/Bloodhound Gang FTW
2008-06-16 01:04:52 PM  
blkhwk86: My brothers and i went insane there. farking...BORING. Nothing to do, nothing to drink(since everything is closed by 8), and you're left with being sober and walking around(if you can). Not surprised at this guy being unpopular. Maybe they should allow grocery stores to sell liquor and beer and allow them to sell past 8pm.

Actually PA state liquor stores are open until 9 or 10PM (excluding Sundays). Beer distributors are usually open until 10 or 11PM. Maybe you never learned to tell time, though.
2008-06-16 01:48:20 PM  
AaWTWron: If any state doesn't have Wawa, it doesn't win.

Sheetz, ftw! Much superior to Wawa IMO.
2008-06-16 02:10:14 PM

Simply the greatest convenience store in the world.

/Grew up in the birthplace of the joint.
//Now live in Sheetz-less Baltimore.
2008-06-16 02:53:28 PM  
The owner of my company also owns a bunch of restaurants and has a line item at the bottom of the bill that reads: Dan Otterato Tax.

Honestly, this is just a luxury tax. Why should you raise my property taxes to pay for busses I don't use when you can just tax alcohol that is not a necessity to pay for people who probably do use the public transit (or should when they get all tore up).

Here is an Idea. Overhaul the bus system where they are paying drivers in excess of 60k/year to drive a fuggin bus. Or take away UPMC's tax exempt status and treat them like the mega-corporation they are.

/Living In Pittsburgh the last 7 years
//Leaving soon for more job opportunities in about 3 months.
///Less Beer and More Industry would help the economy
2008-06-16 03:28:44 PM  
Most PA residents don't even know how much it sucks... However, if you think it's rough in PA try shopping for (and consuming) liquor in the Commonwealth of Virginia...

/fully aware how much this state sucks
2008-06-16 03:31:50 PM  
psu4evr you are absolutely correct - Sheetz is the best thing ever (and their MTO's). What's funny is that Altoona PA is kinda a cross-section of Americana, so they get "test market" ideas from companies (mcrib, sports drinks, etc). Along those lines - Sheetz has the best touch-screen-ordering-thing I've ever seen in my life. (and to this day, 2 hotdogs for $1.00 - known as "death dogs" to locals)
2008-06-16 04:21:45 PM  
"Honestly, this is just a luxury tax. Why should you raise my property taxes to pay for busses I don't use when you can just tax alcohol that is not a necessity to pay..."

1) It's a SIN tax, not a luxury tax.

2) It doesn't just punish the drinkers, it punishes the service industry and the tourism industry and everyone associated with it. Except of course the casinos.

3) The drink tax and property taxes are only linked by one thing - Dan Onorato. He is the only reason they are ever mentioned at the same time. He made it up. They are not linked. He is trying to scare people. He could create a new tax, he could fix his outrageous spending, he could not hire union fanatics to run public transit... On top of it all, the deficit isn't all that big either.
2008-06-16 04:55:57 PM  
Least Extreme Elimination Challenge: AaWTWron: If any state doesn't have Wawa, it doesn't win.

Sheetz, ftw! Much superior to Wawa IMO.

I agree with you, but Wawa is actually catching up fast. They now have a lot of the same hot food offerings that Sheetz has, they sell gas, they are keeping the stores cleaner looking in general.

Though this may be due to the fact that I go primarily to the Wawa in downtown West Chester which I believe is the 2nd or 3rd highest grossing in the chain, so they may treat it a bit better due to that.
2008-06-16 09:13:34 PM  
got a married girl friend in Imperial, near PIT
only time I visited PA...she had already bought the booze
2008-06-17 03:04:35 PM  

Yea, Wawa has made some good progression over the past 5 years or so. Grew up in NJ and currently live in south VA, and the Wawas have been damn convenient to say the least... but the drunk visits to Sheetz back in undergrad (in PA) has added nostalgic charm to the place for me.

/Went to a gigantic Sheetz in Altoona once... it was amazing.
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