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(ABC News)   Pennsylvania official who introduced new tax on booze surprised to find that it's made him only slightly less popular than Osama bin Laden among Pennsylvanians who drink to try and forget that they have to live in that shiathole   ( divider line
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2008-06-15 08:48:45 PM  
love-m'-beer: Well, I don't know about beer snobbery in PA, but I have personally banged the shiat out of some hot Meadville babes in my day....

There are 10,000ish people in

10,000 - 5,000 (assuming youre not bi, we remove all the men - for the sake of round numbers, lets make that 50%)= 5,000

Roughly half of which would be under 18 or over 50 (approx. U.S. demographic distribution - I count GILF-y Sophia Loren-types as statistical anomalies)

5,000 - 2500 = 2500

Let's assume youre not banging married women, and about 60% of the adult female population in the U.S. are

2500 - 1500 = 1000

of those non-married women left, let's assume 1 in 4 are in a stable relationship and wouldn't cheat on their

1000 - 250 = 750

and lets say a 'babe' is defined as someone who is in the top 30% of that 750 as far as looks

750 - 525 = 225

So your potential pool of Meadville 'babes', defined as those who are 1) female, 2) not married or in a non-cheating relationship, 3) between 18 and 50, and 4) hotter than 70% of their co-hort is 225 women.

If 'some' is more than what you can count on your hand, then sir, you are the mack daddy. That's a tiny tiny tiny population to be trying to dip your wick into.
2008-06-15 08:53:07 PM  
redflag: Reading this tag-line made my brain hurt.
"Pennsylvania official who introduced new tax on booze surprised to find that it's made him only slightly less popular than Osama bin Laden among Pennsylvanians who drink to try and forget that they have to live in that shiathole"

Here is a suggestion: Your tag-line doesn't have to be a single sentence.
Multiple coherent sentences are preferred to a confusing run-on sentence.

It's a hell of a lot less confusing than many other Fark headlines that make it up here.
2008-06-15 08:56:13 PM  
Xist Abductee:

oh and...
we need a western Pennsyltucky Fark/cornfield party

Pennsyltucky?? Last I checked, Kentucky and Pennsylvania don't share a border...
2008-06-15 08:58:59 PM  
As much as I love my liquor, I support public transportation. Everytime we want to go out to drink here in San Diego, we have to worry about DDs and what-not. A good public transportation system would actually increase the number of people who go out to drink.
2008-06-15 09:00:33 PM  
Selfabortion: Pennsyltucky?? Last I checked, Kentucky and Pennsylvania don't share a border...

You may be sarcasticating, but if not, it is common to affix the suffix "tucky" to any name if its redneck level so fits.

/used to teach in a small, small town in Michigan where we affixed the "tucky" label.
2008-06-15 09:01:09 PM  
Donny Iris knows where you live...

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2008-06-15 09:01:43 PM  
Selfabortion: Pennsyltucky?? Last I checked, Kentucky and Pennsylvania don't share a border...

You don't drink enough.

Besides, all you need to do is take an eraser and remove the shiatstain that is West Virginia, and you're all set.
2008-06-15 09:04:21 PM  
Fark the taxers. Fark them in the nose with John Holmes' petrified wang. And fark them hard.
2008-06-15 09:12:07 PM  
Subby has obviously never been to PA. It's a wonderful state, u turd.
2008-06-15 09:17:32 PM  
eli pabst: Subby
Donny Iris knows where you live...

aaaaaaaaaaaaaa leeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh....

/goin dahn pants-n-at.
2008-06-15 09:24:01 PM  
Leave the drinkers alone-- tax the lawmakers.
2008-06-15 09:28:10 PM  
That's our boy OnoRATo! The best part is that he's withheld the funds raised by the tax from Port Authority until the public transportation agency knuckles under and kills health benefits for its employees.

/public transportation isn't supposed to turn a profit
//he also wants to run for Governor
///will move out of state if he wins
2008-06-15 09:28:34 PM  
I came in here for a Russian Roulette/Deer Hunter reference and was not disappointed.
2008-06-15 09:28:39 PM  
Is that the ONLY solution in the Dem playbook - raise taxes?
2008-06-15 09:34:55 PM  
Since when has fark cared about ppl with slow connections. Perhaps you have missed the multi-flash laden front page.

I block flash and all other plugins/extensions/trojans.. doesnt everybody with half a braincell?
2008-06-15 09:35:52 PM  
bPrize: /goin dahn pants-n-at.

You're wearin' the free pair. Jag.

mouell: Is that the ONLY solution in the Dem playbook - raise taxes?

Yes, because to cut any spending to make things more efficient would be logical, and a totally incomprehensible thing for them to understand. Apparently, demanding government to be responsible with money makes you an evil, greedy bastage. And they want the government to be responsible for damn near every aspect of our lives...
2008-06-15 10:10:59 PM  
Strange how raising cigarette taxes is a good thing on Fark, but not alcohol.
2008-06-15 10:11:05 PM  
If only they would tax McDonalds.
2008-06-15 10:11:15 PM  
farkuufarkinfark: You're wearin' the free pair. Jag.

I'm Lonnie Iris, one of the Iris triplets....

2008-06-15 10:15:47 PM  
SilentStrider: fark you subby. some of us actually like it here.


Pennsylvanian and proud.

/"I can't buy my liquor after 11pm from a 7-11, wahh!"
// Wake up during the day and stop drinking so much, and your life/PA might be worth something to you too.
2008-06-15 10:26:50 PM  
The hundreds of thousands of druken douchebags at Pitt, Penn State, Temple, etc will provide enough tax revenue to save the public transit system, yinz guyz don't need to worry.
As for once-per-week frozen margarita will add approximately $1.60 a month.
2008-06-15 10:27:57 PM  
*drunken douchebags
2008-06-15 10:28:03 PM  
Oronato isn't the antichrist. From most everything I've read, he had his nutsack firmly squeezed by Harrisburg and was given two options to increase needed revenues: property taxes or booze/car rental tax. He had to choose the latter.

Moved here six years ago from Boston. I've gotten used to it, although the number of Confederate flags on the rear windows of F-150s remains mindboggling.

The LCB is ridiculous. They actually expected me to pay taxes on wines I already owned in MA in order to move them into the PA. That's insane. Then Rendell fired Newman, who was making progressive changes to the LCB in favor of some politco hack friend of Fast Eddie. Also sucks having to buy beer by the case (you could buy a six at a bar for an outrageous per bottle price). At least there are three Sharp Edges and Gookskis to get by with.

Besides, Oronato doesn't really run things in Allegheny, nor does Ravenstahl in Pittsburgh. It's the Rooneys. And if there's any doubt, how in hell can the city build a tunnel over to Heinz without running a tube up to Oakland and the universities. That's pure madness.
2008-06-15 10:44:09 PM  
i live in pottsville, pa.

let me tell you that yuengling is still made here for sure.

i laugh when i travel every week all over the US and see yuengling lager on places import lists.

its not a bad state subby, i have been in many many worse...(new jersey, michigan, ohio, louisiana, mississippi to name a few.)

its centrally located also, i can go to a yankees, orioles, nationals, phightins, or mets games with ease.
2008-06-15 10:44:35 PM  
atlanta_ufo: Freezy Peak: Farkers complain about SUVs and U.S. dependency on oil. This tax subsidizes public transit to get SUVs off the road. Farkers will sacrifice a few drops of beer and a few dollars for the better good, right? Wait, not when it's their vice/hobby/property being taxed? Carry on then.

I have family up in Pittsburgh. Apparently, you are under the mistaken premise that the Port Authority will spend those tax dollars well.

The Port Authority around the early 1980s had ridership then was about 100 million a year and had about 2,800 employees, almost 1,000 buses and about 90 trolleys. As of 2006 it had a ridership of 70 million people and about 3,000 employees. And the Port Authority budget had gone up 42 percent faster than inflation since 1982.

Unlike revenue from prior sin taxes, I'm sure this tax revenue will be spent wisely on leather upholstered hybrid buses.
2008-06-15 11:51:11 PM  
"When you are seeking to decimate somebody's business, a lot of people are going to push back because they've got to protect their families,"

+1 for proper use of "decimate".
2008-06-15 11:54:21 PM  
Considering it is surrounded by the shiatholes known as Ohio, New York, New Jersey, West Virginia, Delaware and Maryland, PA could be a lot worse.
2008-06-16 12:08:00 AM  
Go fark yourself, subby.

Also, did you know the first alcohol tax in PA was supposed to be temporary in order to pay for the damage from the Jonestown flood?
2008-06-16 12:21:48 AM  
fenian-: I love it when people post an endless series of oversized graphics that take more than 2 pages to scroll by. I bet dialup users love it even more.

What's that?

PWNtheCCP: Anyone who has grown up drinking water in Pennsylvania will understand the importance of bottled drinks of all kinds.

/used to live in Erie
2008-06-16 12:23:54 AM  
I'm drinking in Pittsburgh right now, so I'm really getting a kick out of these replies.

Seriously though, kudos to Dan for having the balls to tax where the money is. Pittsburgh doesn't have very high property values, but it is an ex-steel town and a college town. If we need money now, beer is the place to get it. As much as people will complain, they won't actually stop drinking.

There's no such thing as a popular tax. I grew up in a city with a terrible mass transit system; I've seen what that's like. I've also heard the complaints about the state of the mass transit system. That problem will cost money to fix. If you want your city's mass transit to be better, pony up. Or just keep complaining about both taxes and your transit system, whatever floats your boat. Me, I'm going to finish my beer, get up for work, and ride the bus in.
2008-06-16 12:32:40 AM  
Aldo the Wonder Dog: Besides, Oronato doesn't really run things in Allegheny, nor does Ravenstahl in Pittsburgh. It's the Rooneys. And if there's any doubt, how in hell can the city build a tunnel over to Heinz without running a tube up to Oakland and the universities. That's pure madness.

BAM. Nailed it.

OnoRATo's still a jagoff, though...

/I should mention that I don't drink, at all...
2008-06-16 01:03:58 AM  
Peepshow Custodian: That's it, I am going to the fridge and grabbin a Yuengling.
Finally, they ship this stuff into Chattanooga

-- and to Nashville.

The day that came to the convenience stores and Kroger was a GOOD. DAY. And it was weird seeing Lager in a 6-pack. In a grocery store. It just seemed illegal. :o)

/from Lebanon, PA -- WOOT!
2008-06-16 01:07:08 AM  
p.s. I like PA too and can't wait to move back.

Sorry for you, subby.

(But I will hate getting beer by the case or at stinky pizza places).
2008-06-16 02:10:35 AM  
wydok: Also, did you know the first alcohol tax in PA was supposed to be temporary in order to pay for the damage from the JonestownJohnstown flood?

FTFY, otherwise that would be a HELL of a lot of Kool-Aid(tm)
2008-06-16 02:20:55 AM  
advpestcontrol.comView Full Size

Love PA. Grew up there, don't live there anymore. If any state doesn't have Wawa, it doesn't win.
2008-06-16 02:23:26 AM  
"The 10 percent drink tax, in effect since January, was pushed along by Allegheny County Executive Dan Onorato to subsidize public transit. The two-term Democrat says he had no choice; swallow that, he said, or property taxes would have to be hiked."

Hey douche-bag-Dan, how about raise the prices of those riders on public transit, OR cut the ridiculous spending habits that have been set forward to "beautify" Pitt or fund the arts programs that have displaced businesses just off the bridge. Just like a farking Democrat to resort to tax hikes to fund things that are inherently unrelated.

/lives in Pitt
//former democrat, voting a RED TICKET this november just b/c of the stupid shiat like this that my former party has been doing the past 10 years
2008-06-16 02:27:28 AM  
oh, and let's not forget PA's insanely stupid liquor laws... yes, we're STILL paying a state-wide 18% tax to repair the damage done in the Johnstown flood of 1917! This 18% tax DOES NOT include the extra 6% sales tax you pay at the register (that's 6% of the price AFTER the 18% tax has been added to the sales price). This moron wanted to add ANOTHER 10% on top of that? What a jerk off.
PA's liquor stores are already a monopoly, and therefore should be subject to the same scrutiny US business are put through by Congress. WE WANT FREE MARKET LIQUOR IN PA! I WANT TO BUY BEER AT WAWA GD-IT!
2008-06-16 02:47:31 AM  
Aldo the Wonder Dog:
Besides, Oronato doesn't really run things in Allegheny, nor does Ravenstahl in Pittsburgh. It's the Rooneys. And if there's any doubt, how in hell can the city build a tunnel over to Heinz without running a tube up to Oakland and the universities. That's pure madness. Full Size
2008-06-16 03:44:39 AM  
PA isn't perfect, but I do like it here... born and raised here.

I think every state has some dumb law or set of laws either unique or semi-unique to them... so PA has some dumb liquor laws... so what? Well, the economy here bites a big one (at least around here anyway), but really other than that and the roads it's a nice place, and I've traveled quite a bit.

The only problem I personally see with this idea, is that lawmakers PERIOD should be cutting spending on rediculous stuff (like their fully paid pensions after short office terms and full medical benefits after, insanely high salaries, you know... trim the fat in the government a bit)...

Anyway they should trim rediculous spending on unnecessary things to save money instead of constantly demanding higher taxes on people who can least afford it. Otherwise, I don't see the problem. Only alcoholics NEED alcohol, and if you're only having an occasional drink, a buck or two here or there is no big deal.

/again, born and raised in PA
//York County
///loves it here, but wishes SOMETHING would be done about the darn economy here
////Is surprised at the number of Pennsyltucky/Pennsylvanian farkers
//Definitely thinks a farker gathering would be awesome, either a central one or one on the west and one on the east!
2008-06-16 05:17:20 AM  
Born and raised in PA. Wrightsville. Moved around to MANY states in the ARMY. Live around Carisle now. Only 1 state I have lived in even comes close to PA and it was only because I lived on a beach...GA.

Can't buy beer in supermarkets is dumb, some roads suck hard, having to get a permit to do anything on your own property just about sucks, but other then that you can't find many more staes as nice as PA.
2008-06-16 07:44:42 AM  
Agree with the weird booze laws...other than that PA is a pretty damn good State.

Lived in Fla, NJ, TX (liked rural TX) but PA is home for me.

/live 15 miles from Pottsville..Yuengling..specifically the Lager and Black and Tan. Great Stuff.
2008-06-16 09:25:09 AM  
Dan Onorato can take a flying leap.

Perhaps if Port Authority wasn't run by retards we wouldn't have to fund it by taxing completely unrelated industries. If you're going to tax the drinkers to pay for PAT, then maybe they can offer helpful bus/T routes that can actually get you home after the bars close. Seriously, public transportation is all but shut down by 1:00am in Pittsburgh.

I moved to Pittsburgh (from Erie) when I was 5. I moved out when I was 25. The government up there is astoundingly incompetent. Port Authority should be rebuilt from the ground up.

For the first year I lived away from Pittsburgh, I couldn't imagine ever considering anywhere else to be "home," and I figured that some day I'd move back. Then I realized that there were parts of the world that weren't run exclusively by senior citizens bent on furthering their own agenda.

Pittsburghers: vote them all out and start all over again.
2008-06-16 09:35:30 AM  
wow, Farkers...
1) For all those talking about Philly - this is happening in PITTSBURGH
2) yes, PA is boring to drive's all trees, and the only two directions you need are "up the hill" and "down the hill"
3) The guy buying his bar stock in Annapolis...glad I'm not the only one who does that...just tell the cops it was a gift if you ever get busted - they can't prove you wrong, and as long as the bottles are closed, you did nothing wrong.
4) While the whole 10% drink tax is detestable, it's better than the alternative for Pittsburgh, for a quick fix. The alternative was an astronomical rise in prices for bus fare, leaving a LOT of people who are only scraping by unable to afford to get to work. Seriously, it costs people $4.00 a day for a one-zone commute in the city now. And the zones in Pgh are tiny. The same commute, if NOT for this tax, would have doubled. For one day that's not bad, but when you have to do it for 5 days a week, and then you have to do it for getting groceries, getting to the doctor, meeting friends, etc???? It gets mighty expensive in a hurry.
5) We're pretty much already voting this guy out of office anyway - taxing alcohol in Pittsburgh is about as intelligent as waving a banner proclaiming the Browns the greatest team in the NFL. It's going to get you hurt in this town. People are finding ways around the tax, anyway. A lot of bars cut their drink prices 5%, offering to split the tax with the patrons.
6) Now, if they can only do something about that pesky little law about ONLY being able to buy beer in a case, and only from beer stores. The PLCB (PA Liquor Control Board) is already starting to break down the "no selling alcohol on Sunday" rule. Now, when I can get a 6-pack of suds from my local 7-11, I'll be a happy camper.
2008-06-16 10:00:01 AM  
PA has the highest drink taxes in nation.

some PAT drivers can make upwards of 6 digits. They work the OT system through coordinated call-offs and other strategies.

the public transit system needs to be radically overhauled. there was a decent proposal for restructuring some time ago in the PG. it was not considered.

we don't need a chunnel.

dee's cafe: 20 oz sierra nevada= 3.50!
2008-06-16 10:29:14 AM  
bartleby - I completely agree...there's something wrong when a BUS DRIVER can earn $70K a year on a PENSION, in Pittsburgh! Makes me wish I had craploads of money and a bunch of mini-buses - I'd try and underbid PAT bus. There's something wrong to me when "public transportation" is actually run by a "private" company...and run backwards, at that!!! The union also needs to be completely busted. Normally, I'm pro-union, but not when the union tries to hold the city hostage for things they clearly do NOT need.
2008-06-16 10:34:49 AM  
I don't care much about taxes in pittsburgh, I just stopped in to say another PA farker here! Mechanicsburg, baby! Born and raised in central PA.
2008-06-16 10:52:21 AM  
Here's an idea: How about making the people that use the transit system actually pay for using it?

Between the 10% drink tax and the 50% parking tax, residents here are paying for a government that just keeps spending foolishly. I can't wait to see what they come with next...
2008-06-16 11:02:09 AM  
I'm from PGH and consider myself a fairly big drinker and I have no problem at all with this tax. Now this is only on poured drinks and six packs at bars and restaurants. The tax does not include beer distributors and Liquor Stores. The average price of a bottle of domestic beer is roughly $2.50. A night out drinking shouldn't put a big dent in your wallet. Now where it does hurt a little is the Stadiums and Arenas that raised their prices to around $8.00 for a crappy draft in a crappy wax cup.

I do agree that PAT has more problems than just needing money from this tax. They've mishandled funds for years and the bus routes are just asinined. I actually like the "T" being extended to the North Shore, but can't figure out for the life of me why it doesn't go West(Robinson would be nice), North(Mcnight Rd area), or Oakland. That's just dumb.
2008-06-16 11:20:04 AM  
Pennsylvania is the promised land.
2008-06-16 12:04:11 PM  
Grew up in Altoona, PA but now live in Boston - and I can understand how y'all farkers think PA is pretty backwards...'cause it is. Crazy liquor laws & such. However, at last call, the bartender asks "How many do you want?" (and you can grab 6 packs from the bar) So, one could order a pitcher for yourself - and you can't beat $1 mugs of Yuengling. Indeed it's pretty kooky if you want to get a good bottle of wine, but I love going back home. $40 for premium seats to the Pirates? Granted, they suck - but it beats the prices for red sox/food/parking/beer.

Altoona also has a AAA team called the Curve, and going there is a guaranteed good time.
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