Hoodin: One of the dirtiest cities I've ever visited... so much crime... I hated every second spent in edmonton

Remind me never to visit Fredericton. I don't want to breathe in all the smug.

Most of the crime is due to all the rig pigs who come down here from the oil patch on their week off, looking to get high and/or drunk. That, in turn, leads to other types of crime, like assault and murder. And, of course, whatever money they have left over from booze and coke they spend on hookers. When you have a transient population like that, of course you're going to have a lot of crime.

/also, Whyte Ave is not representative of the whole city

Vanetia: I've visited Edmonton two times for a week each time, and I would love to live there.

Seeing that I could get $15 an hour and full benefits working at McDonalds didn't hurt, either.

Yeah, but you still wouldn't be able to afford a place to live.

No it's Edmonton. It's the world's biggest mall, I think. Or at least it was at some time. I don't know if some other mall has since claimed that prize.

Supposedly, there's a mall in China that's bigger. So WEM is the largest mall in North America.

The Duke of Carrot Flowers: And the people there are so tolerant of newcomers.

I came here from the US, of all places, and I've never had any problems. Maybe if people from back east wouldn't act like they're the centre of the universe, people wouldn't be so put off.

Daroc: Edmonton wouldnt want a monorail, thats more of a Calgary thing....

Edmonton has a pretty good transit system. I went there for a week and the free pass was way better than cabs. But the cabs were still cheap. White avenue was, I think, awesome. I seem to remember seeing live music and cheap rounds. Usually that's a good start.

There are dirty parts like every city... They do have oil though. Lots of oil.