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2008-06-09 04:34:50 PM
DD0: I called Verizon to try to get FiOS awhile back and they told me they weren't offering it in Dallas because they didn't want to compete with Time Warner. Silly me, I thought that was the point of business.

Don't they have it in Denton and North Tarrant? I realize those aren't Dallas, it just makes it that much dumber.
 
DD0
2008-06-09 04:36:22 PM
Uncle Pooky: DD0: I called Verizon to try to get FiOS awhile back and they told me they weren't offering it in Dallas because they didn't want to compete with Time Warner. Silly me, I thought that was the point of business.

Don't they have it in Denton and North Tarrant? I realize those aren't Dallas, it just makes it that much dumber.


They actually even have it in some parts of Dallas I guess, just not in the uptown/downtown area. But yes, it is pretty dumb.
 
2008-06-09 04:37:04 PM
buttcat: Will Flash work on the new iPhone?

fark flash. Flash should die in a fire. It doesn't belong on the desktop and it certainly doesn't belong on a mobile device.

//Can't wait for Squirrelfish to make it onto the iPhone.
 
2008-06-09 04:37:49 PM
Archie Godwin: Another supporter of useless Apple products.

"I'm poor"

/good artists create, great artists plagiarize
 
2008-06-09 04:38:09 PM
Only 3G and GPS added. I've got a Tom Tom and the new firmware is coming out for the first gen one. I'll stick with mine for now.
 
2008-06-09 04:38:34 PM
Man On Pink Corner: Archie Godwin: Another supporter of useless Apple products.

"I'm poor"

/good artists create, great artists plagiarize


I'm sorry you are poor. Buying more useless Apple products will probably not help that in the least. Good luck to you.
 
2008-06-09 04:38:53 PM
t3knomanser:
What do you have against flash... not baiting... just curious?
 
2008-06-09 04:39:01 PM
t3knomanser: fark flash. Flash should die in a fire. It doesn't belong on the desktop and it certainly doesn't belong on a mobile device.

You're right. You should embed a video on your blog explaining all of the reasons flash sucks.
 
2008-06-09 04:40:07 PM
PrivateCaboose: Funny, my LG flip phone can access the Internet. And make calls and send texts. And has a camera. (And can be connected to my computer).

Have you ever actually used an iPhone, or do you just like ripping on Apple? I have to say that the iPhone has the best browser I've ever seen on a phone, as well as a great user interface and a metric ass-ton of features. I don't think it was worth $600, but I only paid $100 for it. I think I've more than gotten my money's worth out of it. (Would gladly pay $350 for one of the new models, so long as it at least has the same features or better)
 
2008-06-09 04:40:51 PM
PYROY: IshadymilkmanI: All of you people bashing this because its "stupid and overkill and whatever else!" are really just pathetic.

Your mom is pathetic.


i don't really care for apple computers but i really like the iPhone idea. i don't own one, but i've used the one i bought my little brother for his birthday. i kind of agree with IshadymilkmanI on this one. if the phone upsets you, don't buy it. if you think its stupid to buy one, then why get your panties in a bunch about other people buying it? i don't think its a status symbol (maybe some people buy it for that)... its a functional mini-PC in your pocket. if thats too much for you, stick to a trac-phone or something. why do some of you have to raise such a stink about it?

maybe its the apple fanboi attitude. i could see that. it annoys me too.

now, if we could just have batteries that lasted years without needing recharged...
 
2008-06-09 04:42:10 PM
I don't even own a television because all that's on is a bunch of crap. You guys spending all that money on your big LCD TVs are just a bunch of fad-following lemmings.

/oh crap...
//wrong thread.
 
2008-06-09 04:42:32 PM
darwinsmonkey: What do you have against flash... not baiting... just curious?

My list:
Closed source, proprietary technology
No standards body
No deep linking
Massive CPU usage (equals massive battery consumption)

I'm hoping that the iPhone is going to help get the canvas element standardized. With efficient javascript engines like Squirrelfish, we might be able to put Flash to bed and replace it with an open standard.

louiedog: You should embed a video on your blog explaining all of the reasons flash sucks.

Sure, and I'll do it in a nice open format too.
 
2008-06-09 04:42:49 PM
louiedog: t3knomanser: fark flash. Flash should die in a fire. It doesn't belong on the desktop and it certainly doesn't belong on a mobile device.

You're right. You should embed a video on your blog explaining all of the reasons flash sucks.


Wow, two in a row. Why do you guys hate flash? Again, just curious.
 
2008-06-09 04:43:37 PM
darwinsmonkey: Why do you guys hate flash?

Oh, and morans use it in places where it really doesn't belong.
 
2008-06-09 04:43:43 PM
boogie_down: Dinobot: I use my cellphone for making calls, that's about it - I don't need anything flashy, did I mention I don't spend hundreds on superficial gadgets that make me look like a douchebag as well?

"I'm poor"


This. If I wasn't an out-of-work recently left-uni (ergo no "2-3 years experience" as wanted by all jobs) student, and I'd won the lottery or some shiat, I'd have 2. And so would the missus.

But as I'm barely keeping in food, utilities and sundries, I think £100 phones are a bit off the list right now.

/ Anyone need an 3D animator, graphic designer, or mac programmer?
// Please??
/// I can has job?
//// Everyone else says "No, cannot has, not yours"
 
2008-06-09 04:44:48 PM
mrEdude: one day i will understand the appeal of these ithings-
the need to constantly be in touch by telephone
to listen to music all day every day
to take pictures of my every idiocy and email them to my pals
to surf teh interwebs while taking a piss



but until that day comes
get off my lawn



It's an extension of the desire to achieve cultural sync with your peer group. If you take a look at it from an evolutionary advantage/disadvantage perspective, groups of people who are constantly on the same page coordinate better, and are more effective at many tasks, such as hunting, or war. Those who don't coordinate like this, will likely be wiped out.

There's evidence for some pretty deep impulses driving this behavior, and theories that this is where the sense of humor comes from. People aware of the same hazards (most jokes involve a setup then a negative outcome that defies prediction from the conditions) are less likely to succumb to them. Hence it makes sense that both hearing and telling jokes is pleasant, as this spreads information rapidly and consistently. The laughter reflex is to draw oxygen for updating neural connections to form the new pattern to predict the previously unpredicted outcome. Once it's established, the joke is inherently less funny.

Use the same ones often enough and you can condense them to core signature features, possibly even a few sounds, which means this is the likely route to development of spoken language. For visual gags, simplified sketches that become more abstract for the sake of ease of construction serves the same purpose, and creates written language.

LOLcats are a proto-language, trying to construct itself from competing memes. Give it 500 years and you'll get something like early written languages as people reduce the most popular 'cats to stickfigure abstracts.

You want to see the next killer app that will make some college dropout rich and/or give CEOs nightmares? Cellphone-based social network system (like facebook) with inherent push-model media sharing. I.e. you can listen to or watch whatever your friends are listening to and watching, or poke them to show them what you've got, all from a single interface that's always running on a mobile device that people spend 90% of their time carrying.

Efforts to restrict the sharing of information (DRM etc) are not only pissing in against the wind, but possibly against a Darwinian impetus strong enough to responsible for the development of both verbal and written language.
 
2008-06-09 04:45:23 PM
t3knomanser
Interesting... thanks. Not a programmer so I have no farking clue what you are talking about (sort of) I kinda get it.
So as a development tool it sucks, but as a 2D animation tool?? if not either, what's the alternative?
 
2008-06-09 04:45:37 PM
I'll do the 2.0 upgrade and get the functionality that interests me (Exchange support). 3G? Nice, I suppose, but not important to me. Don't care about the bigger capacity, since I only keep selected playlists on the phone (us an 80GB iPod as a music server/portable, instead).
 
2008-06-09 04:45:54 PM
Wizard Drongo: or mac programmer?

Hey, you wanna start a project with me? I can't pay you, but while you're killing time, we can get some code together, build your resume, and give you a cut of any proceeds? I've got a few Mac projects that I'd like to work on, but I don't really have the time to crank out the code myself.
 
2008-06-09 04:45:57 PM
ryanmance.com
 
2008-06-09 04:46:45 PM
www.coppermoonshinestills.com
www.techshout.commsp278.photobucket.com



www.terminally-incoherent.com
 
2008-06-09 04:47:48 PM
Is there a voice guided GPS app?
 
2008-06-09 04:47:53 PM
Still not enough space for me. Once they come out with an 80GB or 120GB version, maybe I'll bite. The internet and all that is pretty cool, but my Dash can do that too. With Flash. AS for all of the media player stuff, I don't see the point in getting an 8 or 16GB media player when I have 60+ GB of media. I'll just a take a regular iPod for the media and my Outlook compliant Dash for the phone internet stuff. Combining them together is a neat idea. Nice try Apple. But not good enough until the storage space catches up to the iPod.

Also, make the case out of titanium and the screen out of lexan. Fragile ass gadgets that can't be jogged with or tossed in a cargo pocket with keys piss me off.
 
2008-06-09 04:48:31 PM
Who the hell has money for this kind of crap these days?
 
2008-06-09 04:49:26 PM
iamallthatiam.files.wordpress.com

much better functionality from a much better provider
 
2008-06-09 04:49:27 PM
Gldm: It's an extension of the desire to achieve cultural sync with your peer group. If you take a look at it from an evolutionary advantage/disadvantage perspective, groups of people who are constantly on the same page coordinate better, and are more effective at many tasks, such as hunting, or war. Those who don't coordinate like this, will likely be wiped out.

There's evidence for some pretty deep impulses driving this behavior, and theories that this is where the sense of humor comes from. People aware of the same hazards (most jokes involve a setup then a negative outcome that defies prediction from the conditions) are less likely to succumb to them. Hence it makes sense that both hearing and telling jokes is pleasant, as this spreads information rapidly and consistently. The laughter reflex is to draw oxygen for updating neural connections to form the new pattern to predict the previously unpredicted outcome. Once it's established, the joke is inherently less funny.

Use the same ones often enough and you can condense them to core signature features, possibly even a few sounds, which means this is the likely route to development of spoken language. For visual gags, simplified sketches that become more abstract for the sake of ease of construction serves the same purpose, and creates written language.

LOLcats are a proto-language, trying to construct itself from competing memes. Give it 500 years and you'll get something like early written languages as people reduce the most popular 'cats to stickfigure abstracts.

You want to see the next killer app that will make some college dropout rich and/or give CEOs nightmares? Cellphone-based social network system (like facebook) with inherent push-model media sharing. I.e. you can listen to or watch whatever your friends are listening to and watching, or poke them to show them what you've got, all from a single interface that's always running on a mobile device that people spend 90% of their time carrying.

Efforts to restrict the sharing of information (DRM etc) are not only pissing in against the wind, but possibly against a Darwinian impetus strong enough to responsible for the development of both verbal and written language.


uh, this. yeah.
 
2008-06-09 04:50:01 PM
darwinsmonkey: So as a development tool it sucks, but as a 2D animation tool?? if not either, what's the alternative?

Well, it's not bad as a dev tool- it's pretty easy to program for. But the overhead and misuse of the tool results in it sucking.

Sadly, the alternatives aren't quite ready for primetime, but I'm hoping that the iPhone's resistance to Flash helps move them along.

What have we got? Well, Flash uses ActionScript, which is an ECMAScript compliant language. You know what else is an ECMAScript compliant language? JavaScript. But JavaScript interpreters suck- except for a brand new one: Squirrelfish. Lightning fast execution and it could get faster. That handles the programmability of Flash. Between SVG (a 2D vector image format) and the canvas element (a bitmap element for HTML pages) we can do pretty much everything that Flash can do and (once the standards are more widely adopted) we can do it right in the browser without any third party plugins.
 
2008-06-09 04:50:18 PM
taurusowner: Still not enough space for me. Once they come out with an 80GB or 120GB version, maybe I'll bite. The internet and all that is pretty cool, but my Dash can do that too. With Flash. AS for all of the media player stuff, I don't see the point in getting an 8 or 16GB media player when I have 60+ GB of media. I'll just a take a regular iPod for the media and my Outlook compliant Dash for the phone internet stuff. Combining them together is a neat idea. Nice try Apple. But not good enough until the storage space catches up to the iPod.

Flash is faster and requires a crapton less battery while also not breaking down from heavy use after a year.
 
2008-06-09 05:42:13 PM
GIS for "apple fan boy"

i166.photobucket.com

/yikes
 
DD0
2008-06-09 05:47:32 PM
TomTom has GPS software for the iPhone ready to go when the app store hits.

yes plz.

Link
 
2008-06-09 05:48:44 PM
darwinsmonkey: Wow, two in a row. Why do you guys hate flash? Again, just curious.

It was sarcasm. Without flash embedded video would still be shiatty wmv or quicktime videos that don't work all that well across platforms. I like flash (sometimes), it's just overused.
 
2008-06-09 05:52:33 PM
ultraconservative liberal: Jobs looks horrible. Very gaunt. I hope his cancer has not come back but he surely looks like someone suffering from "something."

My guess is that he's suffering from Phil Schiller stealing his lunch. Every day. Just look at Phil.
 
2008-06-09 05:59:18 PM
So what is the connection speed of 3G these days? 10 years ago, when it was being developed, 384k was the target. What was actually implemented in a typical US city?

/haven't been paying attention
//starting a road warrior job, need to catch up
 
2008-06-09 05:59:23 PM
Jodeo: Unavailable for comment.
Apparently it's not one of Apple's iPhone Challenges.


This is true. What I like about the phone is that it is actually comfortable to kick back with and use to surf the net. What I don't like is the lack of flash. Actually, that is my biggest complaint besides having hack it to use the file system.
 
2008-06-09 06:02:07 PM
NotWithoutAsswelts: AAAAAAAAAAAGHHH!!!

I JUST BOUGHT A farkING IPHONE TWO WEEKS AGO!!!!

TWO farkING WEEKS AGO!!!!

JESUS H. CHRIST ON A RUBBER CRUTCH!!!

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG!


Dude, relax. You'll be able to get a partial credit, or at least an option to return.
 
2008-06-09 06:02:11 PM
Archie Godwin: Man On Pink Corner: Archie Godwin: Another supporter of useless Apple products.

"I'm poor"

/good artists create, great artists plagiarize

I'm sorry you are poor. Buying more useless Apple products will probably not help that in the least. Good luck to you.


I'm not a huge fan of Apple, but WTF is your problem? Do you work for Microsoft? Are you in fact Bill Gates?
 
2008-06-09 06:03:26 PM
 
2008-06-09 06:04:49 PM
I was seriously considering getting an iPhone 3G, but AT&T sees their iPhone exclusivity contract with Apple as a license to assrape iPhone customers.

Now, I'm thinking about getting a HTC Mogul or Touch with a SERO 500 plan.
 
DD0
2008-06-09 06:05:51 PM
Saskatchewan Beef: Archie Godwin: Man On Pink Corner: Archie Godwin: Another supporter of useless Apple products.

"I'm poor"

/good artists create, great artists plagiarize

I'm sorry you are poor. Buying more useless Apple products will probably not help that in the least. Good luck to you.

I'm not a huge fan of Apple, but WTF is your problem? Do you work for Microsoft? Are you in fact Bill Gates?


Isn't it crazy that those types seem to be exactly what they are attacking?
 
2008-06-09 06:06:44 PM
Gldm: mrEdude: one day i will understand the appeal of these ithings-
the need to constantly be in touch by telephone
to listen to music all day every day
to take pictures of my every idiocy and email them to my pals
to surf teh interwebs while taking a piss



but until that day comes
get off my lawn


It's an extension of the desire to achieve cultural sync with your peer group. If you take a look at it from an evolutionary advantage/disadvantage perspective, groups of people who are constantly on the same page coordinate better, and are more effective at many tasks, such as hunting, or war. Those who don't coordinate like this, will likely be wiped out.

There's evidence for some pretty deep impulses driving this behavior, and theories that this is where the sense of humor comes from. People aware of the same hazards (most jokes involve a setup then a negative outcome that defies prediction from the conditions) are less likely to succumb to them. Hence it makes sense that both hearing and telling jokes is pleasant, as this spreads information rapidly and consistently. The laughter reflex is to draw oxygen for updating neural connections to form the new pattern to predict the previously unpredicted outcome. Once it's established, the joke is inherently less funny.

Use the same ones often enough and you can condense them to core signature features, possibly even a few sounds, which means this is the likely route to development of spoken language. For visual gags, simplified sketches that become more abstract for the sake of ease of construction serves the same purpose, and creates written language.

LOLcats are a proto-language, trying to construct itself from competing memes. Give it 500 years and you'll get something like early written languages as people reduce the most popular 'cats to stickfigure abstracts.

You want to see the next killer app that will make some college dropout rich and/or give CEOs nightmares? Cellphone-based social network system (like facebook) with inherent push-model media sharing. I.e. you can listen to or watch whatever your friends are listening to and watching, or poke them to show them what you've got, all from a single interface that's always running on a mobile device that people spend 90% of their time carrying.

Efforts to restrict the sharing of information (DRM etc) are not only pissing in against the wind, but possibly against a Darwinian impetus strong enough to responsible for the development of both verbal and written language.


That is one of the most fascinating posts I've read in quite awhile.

I would very much like to subscribe to your newsletter.

/srsly
 
2008-06-09 06:08:29 PM
vegasj: yet the stock tanks 7.61.

/been eye'n it all morning
//10 shares baby!


Don't worry, the stocks always does that right during a presentation week. In two weeks, you'll be very happy with your choice.

/Apple Investor for 10 years in 2009
/God I love this company so freak'n much.
 
2008-06-09 06:10:52 PM
taurusowner: Also, make the case out of titanium and the screen out of lexan. Fragile ass gadgets that can't be jogged with or tossed in a cargo pocket with keys piss me off.

Glass is more scratch resistant than lexan
 
2008-06-09 06:11:46 PM
robisfunky: vinegargar: You'll stop laughing when you realize the really cool guys all kept their 1st generation iPhones and you're just another consumer sheep now. Like somebody who uses Windows.

no, he'll stop laughing when he realises it's only been a year and he doesn't qualify for the 2 year contract that gets you the $200 price tag.

HAHAHA!!!!! Mac fanboys are a hoot! "Hey look Steve Jobs has diarrhea! I WANT DIARRHEA TOO!"


This. The Mac elitism is entertaining.
 
2008-06-09 06:12:12 PM
Arnold T Pants: Lost in all of the excitement about the newer, cheaper iPhone 3G is this little nugget: AT&T is raising the cost of iPhone data plans from $20/month to $30/month for consumers (the plan price stays at $45/month for business users). Considering that you have to sign a two-year contract for voice and data to get iPhone 3G for $199 (8 GB) or $299 (16 GB), that new "lower" priced iPhone 3G will actually cost you more in the long run than the current "more expensive" iPhone (EDGE version)

Hah. That must have been the "and just one more thing" that Steve left out.
 
2008-06-09 06:12:34 PM
saintstryfe: vegasj: yet the stock tanks 7.61.

/been eye'n it all morning
//10 shares baby!

Don't worry, the stocks always does that right during a presentation week. In two weeks, you'll be very happy with your choice.

/Apple Investor for 10 years in 2009
/God I love this company so freak'n much.


It's called "sell the news".

Happens all the time.
 
2008-06-09 06:14:02 PM
robisfunky: bighairyguy: My son will get my not crappy 1st gen iPhone, and I'll get a spiffy new one, and write it off as a business expense. It's all good.

/Early adopter

How's that hd-dvd player workin for ya?


Poor me, I get my movies cheaper than DVD at 6 times the resolution
 
2008-06-09 06:15:51 PM
ChadManMn:

That is one of the most fascinating posts I've read in quite awhile.

I would very much like to subscribe to your newsletter.

/srsly


Thanks.

It's kind of a summary/excerpt of an article I wrote for South Africa Computer Magazine, I think it ran in the October or November 2007 issue with the feature title "Do Internets Dream Of Funny Cats?". In it I explored the relationships between a few interesting things, such as the LOLcats meme, Snakes on a Plane, Artificial Intelligence theory, The Singularity as described by Alivin Toffler in the 1970 bestseller Future Shock, Neurology and Neural Networking, Evolutionary Psychology, Motivational Posters, Distributed Processing and Grid Computing, Social Networking sites like Myspace or Facebook, and the development of ancient Sumerian writing.

If you know any place currently publishing similar newsletters, please let me know as I'm currently in the market for a new writing job. ;)
 
2008-06-09 06:16:08 PM
I love the people who accuse others of being a "douche" for being able to afford the phone.

If we can afford it, it's not your problem. If you're jealous, get off of your couch and get a job that will allow you to.

Jealousy is a biatch, ain't it?
 
2008-06-09 06:17:33 PM
I'm accessing the internet with my phone, on my 8-year-old laptop, so I don't know what the hell any of you are talking about.
 
2008-06-09 06:18:54 PM
suck it bushies!
 
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