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(Telegraph)   New road sign could be introduced on Britain's country roads to help prevent lorry drivers from being led down unsuitable short-cuts by their satellite navigation systems   (telegraph.co.uk) divider line 82
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2008-06-09 09:29:33 AM
In one incident a Czech lorry driver became wedged between two hedgerows after he was directed down a narrow country lane in Langbrook, Devon, by his sat nav.

Yuri Odehnal was forced to sleep in the cab of his 50ft vehicle for three nights last October, until it was finally prized free.


Can't...breathe...laughing too hard...roflsnort
 
2008-06-09 09:46:56 AM
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2008-06-09 09:58:56 AM
I love my compass and map. Never get lost, and no stupid computer system barking at me.
 
2008-06-09 11:47:42 AM
Think first.
Drive second.oogle
 
2008-06-09 11:47:44 AM
redqueenmeg: I love my compass and map. Never get lost, and no stupid computer system barking at me.

I just use the nav for the maps. It's handy to have a constantly updatable, customizable, easily readable, zoomable, etc. map at my disposal. The directions the things give are a disaster, though.

I also like the points of interest, but to me it's basically an electronic map.
 
2008-06-09 11:48:09 AM
Or you could just make sure there isn't a house / other obstacle between you and the road.
 
2008-06-09 11:48:39 AM
WHO THE HELL IS LORRY
 
2008-06-09 11:49:40 AM
www.hummerguy.net
approves
 
2008-06-09 11:50:41 AM
I seem to have dropped my clipboard...
 
2008-06-09 11:50:41 AM
In the near future human skulls will only be needed to hold beer!
 
M-G
2008-06-09 11:52:55 AM
At least it wasn't an ATMOS...
 
2008-06-09 11:53:03 AM
I think my Garmin does this to a point - can keep me away from unpaved roads etc., by setting it that way.

The interesting thing is that my street doesn't appear on the map so it gets all confused about a block away. Happily, I can remember my way home in the last few turns.
 
2008-06-09 11:53:33 AM
deevo: WHO THE HELL IS LORRY

This.

Crazy Brits and their non-words.
 
2008-06-09 11:53:34 AM
Seductive GPS voice: Please apply KY to the sides of your lorry and turn left at the next intersection (onto a somewhat quaint but very narrow lane).
 
2008-06-09 11:53:37 AM
img292.imageshack.us In the end life and business are about human connections. And computers are about trying to murder you in a lake, and to make the choices easy.
 
2008-06-09 11:53:56 AM
ZachF81: redqueenmeg: I love my compass and map. Never get lost, and no stupid computer system barking at me.

I just use the nav for the maps. It's handy to have a constantly updatable, customizable, easily readable, zoomable, etc. map at my disposal. The directions the things give are a disaster, though.

I also like the points of interest, but to me it's basically an electronic map.


I prefer a large paper map over a tiny little screen.
The human mind provides a much quicker zoom-in-out feature.

/especially for my lawn...
 
2008-06-09 11:55:39 AM
TFA: And Ena Wickens, 79, has spent £20,000 repairing her home in Mereworth, Kent, which has been repeatedly struck by lorries sent down her narrow lane.

Seems to me that if a car hits a house, the one to blame is pretty clear. The trucking companies or drivers should be paying for that damage, not her.

If I were her, I would set up security cameras to record license plates.
 
2008-06-09 11:56:49 AM
The Pistyll Rhaeadr, beautiful place. But the road to it...well, about fifteen miles, barely wide enough for one vehicle, with places where you have a sheer cliff face on one side and a sheer drop on the other. Interesting experience in 1980 for a couple of young guys on shore leave and driving on the left side of the road for the first time.
myweb.tiscali.co.uk
/left, right, didn't make much difference
 
2008-06-09 11:56:59 AM
deevo:
WHO THE HELL IS LORRY

the guy with the spectacular teeth
 
2008-06-09 11:57:24 AM
How fast before all the signs are repainted?

NO LWORRIES
 
2008-06-09 11:57:59 AM
Maps are a beech on a motorcycle. I love having my sexily-voiced directions (in English, Thai, Chinese, or Korean) piped directly into my ear as I ride. I just wish I could turn off the screen to save battery power, since I can't see it anyway.
 
2008-06-09 11:58:22 AM
i67.photobucket.com
 
2008-06-09 11:59:31 AM
I love people who hate useful technology. It lets me know who is too stupid to learn; and that I should just give up on them now.

My GPS/Nav has been able to get me to any address in any city in the US so far. The worst hassle I've had is when I didn't update the map before I left and it had me get off the freeway and then go a block before getting on again because it didn't know the new interchange was done which would have let me change freeways with no surface streets.

Also very fond of the "I can has cheeseburger?" function (restaurant finder)
 
2008-06-09 11:59:41 AM
deevo: WHO THE HELL IS LORRY

Obviously not been a farker long, have you? Every bloody time "what's a lorry?" Google it, eejit.
 
2008-06-09 12:01:45 PM
i67.photobucket.com
 
2008-06-09 12:03:31 PM
FTFA: "However, it is unlikely that drivers will be prosecuted for ignoring them."

What's the point, then?
 
2008-06-09 12:03:45 PM
I realize that personal responsibility has to come into whether or not to follow the satnav directions... but sometimes it sounds like it might work, until you find out it doesn't. Example: one of our clients lives on a small private road, at the bottom of a hill. Road continues up hill (out of sight over the crest) past her house. Every time I'm there, my Garmin says to turn UP the hill to get to the next client's house. (Customarily, I've gone back out down the hill, the same way I entered.) Thinking that Garmin might possibly know a shorter route that would save me time, I decided to follow it's instructions and drove up the hill. I got to the crest and started down -- to find I was about to dead-end on someone's front porch. Oopsie. Nothing's perfect, I guess.
 
2008-06-09 12:04:15 PM
It's sad to think how far the world has come when you need a sign that says "Hey dumbass, this is a corn field, not a road." Does this remind anyone else of Lemmings?
 
2008-06-09 12:05:19 PM
Wait... does Britain actually have areas that qualify as 'country'? I was under the impression that you can't get very far from a major city on that island...
 
2008-06-09 12:05:42 PM
I came here for the Michael Scott / Office references, and was not disappointed.

www.criticsrant.com
 
2008-06-09 12:08:20 PM
amanogowa: Wait... does Britain actually have areas that qualify as 'country'? I was under the impression that you can't get very far from a major city on that island...

It's amazing how much country there is in Western Europe, considering how long people have been living there.
But then they don't go in for suburban sprawl as much as Americans do.
 
2008-06-09 12:10:24 PM
0Icky0: amanogowa: Wait... does Britain actually have areas that qualify as 'country'? I was under the impression that you can't get very far from a major city on that island...

It's amazing how much country there is in Western Europe, considering how long people have been living there.
But then they don't go in for suburban sprawl as much as Americans do.


Yeah, admittedly much of my experience with British cities is fark threads with pictures of the sardine cans they call residential areas.
 
2008-06-09 12:10:49 PM
amanogowa: Wait... does Britain actually have areas that qualify as 'country'? I was under the impression that you can't get very far from a major city on that island...

Everything is crammed together; you still have country, it just happens to be where we in the US would put a mall or a McMansion development.

People in the US don't have this problem because we built (or re-built, as need be) our roads to handle trucks. In England, they are still using cowpaths and roads laid out by the druids, but they put motorized vehicles on them.
 
2008-06-09 12:16:24 PM
I've found the VZW Navigator on my phone does the opposite - misses several great shortcuts by sticking to major roads. I've shaved about 15-20 minutes off my previously-hour-long-commute-thanks-to-traffic by taking a few well-timed shortcuts.

To be fair, I think it avoids residential roads all together, unless it's part of the destination itself.
 
2008-06-09 12:16:31 PM
I live in a rural area and love to go walking or running in the evenings. In the last three years the number of cars on my favorite rural roads, which dead end, has shot up. Now at least once or twice a month I get stopped and asked directions. I don't even ask anymore.

"Your Garmin is a POS. It's wrong. This road will not take you to I-25. You have to turn around and go five miles in the opposite direction."

They always look so hurt.

And Garmin still hasn't fixed the problem.
 
2008-06-09 12:19:59 PM
M-G: At least it wasn't an ATMOS...

But that would solve the problem of all the carbon in pollution... what could possibly go wrong?
 
2008-06-09 12:21:54 PM
ultraholland: approves

I am so in love with SC.

/bunk, etc.
 
2008-06-09 12:23:16 PM
worlddan: I live in a rural area and love to go walking or running in the evenings. In the last three years the number of cars on my favorite rural roads, which dead end, has shot up. Now at least once or twice a month I get stopped and asked directions. I don't even ask anymore.

"Your Garmin is a POS. It's wrong. This road will not take you to I-25. You have to turn around and go five miles in the opposite direction."

They always look so hurt.

And Garmin still hasn't fixed the problem.


You should put that on a sign.
 
2008-06-09 12:23:51 PM
deevo: WHO THE HELL IS LORRY

no, you mean What the hell "lorry" is a truck

more American = Queen's English

flashlight = torch

elevator = lift

toothbrush == (no cush term)

/rimshot!
//here all week
///veal
 
2008-06-09 12:24:35 PM
I meant :

toothbrush == (no such term)
 
2008-06-09 12:25:09 PM
Intersesting. We already have such signs here in the US. It's a picture of a truck (lorry) with an international "NO" symbol (the red circle- slash) over it. There's also informational signs in many areas, before the entrance to the street where the condition exists, warning of things like low bridges, narrow lanes, and other conditions which would make it a bad idea for a truck to attempt passage. And yes, GPS can be a wonderful thing, but it's really not a good idea to ever let any technology substitute for common sense. Even if you aren't aware of the hazard before getting on the road, when you see the low bridge and the signs warning of it, or when you see the large hedge that is too narrow for your truck to fit... WHY THE HELL DO YOU KEEP GOING?!?!
 
2008-06-09 12:25:59 PM
-5 SUBBY for dumbass headline
 
2008-06-09 12:26:54 PM
Down the garden path?
 
2008-06-09 12:27:09 PM
FrancoFile: People in the US don't have this problem because we built (or re-built, as need be) our roads to handle trucks.

My town has a low bridge over a major state road. It's a railway overpass, so raising the bridge isn't possible and the road is not in a position where it could be lowered. A tractor trailer with a box won't make it under. Many have tried, with less than satisfactory results.

In the past we got one every year or two get stuck under it, but I've seen a pretty big jump in the accidents since satnav use became widespread.
 
2008-06-09 12:27:36 PM
Here's a similar tale from the NPS Morning Report...

Glen Canyon National Recreation Area (AZ,UT)
Couple Rescued After Four Days Stranded In Backcountry


Park dispatch received a call routed through 911 from Kane County dispatch on May 31st regarding people stranded in the backcountry and needing medical attention. A Pennsylvania couple in their 60s had rented a two-wheel drive sedan and were vacationing in the Glen Canyon area. They planned to drive from Big Water to Escalante, both small towns in southern Utah, via a rugged four-wheel drive road. They later reported that the GPS unit in their vehicle advised that they could travel this route. About 45 miles from Big Water, though, the vehicle broke down after the oil pan was ripped out and the engine seized. The couple had several bottles of water and soda with them, but no food nor other means of survival. After being stranded for four days with daytime temperatures in the high 80s, they were able to flag down a visitor on a dirt bike who called 911 on his cell phone. Classic Lifeguard launched two helicopters from Page to fly the couple out. They were extremely dehydrated and were kept at the hospital overnight for observation. The couple never stopped at any of the various visitor centers to ask for information, nor did they did turn back when they came upon signs on this backcountry road which said that the road was impassable. If they hadn't encountered the person on the dirt bike, it's likely that they would have perished. Rangers are increasingly dealing with visitors who rely on navigation systems which may provide misleading information, often with tragic results. While navigation systems such as GPS units can be fine tools, nothing can replace up-to-date information from informed personnel as well as using common sense when out in remote areas.

/probably the Smoky Mountain Road, since its the only road I know of that goes from Big Water to Escalante
 
2008-06-09 12:28:01 PM
I think some of the SatNav companies are missing a huge market segment here. My brother drives a truck and since his deliveries are rarely in the same place everytime he relies on his SatNav to get him where he needs to go. On a number of occasions he has been led into areas where trucks shouldn't go. If they would make a SatNav for truckers that had only truck friendly routes on it they would sell a huge number of them.
 
2008-06-09 12:33:10 PM
Italy does a crappy job of updating their national road database - all around this area, are GPS gotchas. Ive been lead down more dead-ends-that-used-to-be-non-dead-ends than I care to count.

I want to put some big signs at the end of some of them that say "WELCOME, GPS USERS" (in italian)

I wish all GPS's had the ability to simply cancel out a road, or add your own road-block to the map so it will QUIT trying to take you that way.

/In 400 meters, enter the round-about, and take the 5th exit.
//THERE ARE ONLY 4 EXITS
 
2008-06-09 12:33:47 PM
Just a thought, instead of posing signs, couldn't they just FIX the GPS system so people didn't get directed down bad roads?

/hello, TomTom? Yeah, you told me to turn left here and now I'm stuck.
//Right-o goven'or, we'll take that road off the list straight away. Cheery-o.
///Everyone in England sounds like the chimney sweeps in Mary Poppins, right?
 
2008-06-09 12:34:52 PM
Sarcastica75: I am so in love with SC.

/bunk, etc.


also works with Colbert
 
2008-06-09 12:40:18 PM
Rathewin2k: I think some of the SatNav companies are missing a huge market segment here. My brother drives a truck and since his deliveries are rarely in the same place everytime he relies on his SatNav to get him where he needs to go. On a number of occasions he has been led into areas where trucks shouldn't go. If they would make a SatNav for truckers that had only truck friendly routes on it they would sell a huge number of them.

Rand-McNally makes atlases(?) specifically for commercial drivers. Why doesn't Garmin have the equivalent databases? It would seem to be much more efficient than printing a separate atlas.
 
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