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Bill Frist		2008-06-08 09:30:21 PM

Gimpy:

Joba was taken off the table by the Yanks, but he was one of the players the Twins originally wanted. Either way, the Yanks would still be weak on pitchers with the Santana trade, so the playoffs wouldn't be any gaurentee.

I can't refute that but to sign ARod and not make the playoffs seems like a step backwards considering the Yankees

It would undoubtedly be a step backwards. But again, misisng the playoffs isn't assurd (they are again only 5 games out of the wild card spot and their main competition seems to be the Devil Rays... no way in hell are they making it)

Again, I'm not saying they shouldn't have done the Santana deal. It is debatable for sure. But I don't think A-rod factors into it either way. They ahd to keep A-Rod, whether they rebuild for a year or two or not.

Hank Chinaski		2008-06-08 09:31:38 PM

Yankees Team Gynecologist: priestrape: there's one trade that can turn the Yankees into an instant World Series favorite for 2008:

Cabrera, Hughes, Kennedy to the Twins for Johann Santana. I think if they put their heads together, they can make this thing happen

---

What, and give up two top pitching prospects, one of them MLB's best? Please.

If anyone still doubts that Cashman is back in control, just look at the youth they've built this team around. Hughes had a rough start last season due to freak injuries, but make no mistake, 2008 will be his year. Expect him to be hot right out of the gate in April.

This top farm system is about to pay off. Gone is the era of meddling, loudmouth Steinbrenners. George is out, Cash is in, and with the young talent this team has, it'll be like the 90s all over again.

Ah, Yankees Team Douche back in full force.

Bill Frist		2008-06-08 09:33:06 PM

Yankees Team Gynecologist [TotalFark] Quote 2008-06-08

The Yanks (and Sox) are also worse than they were a year ago, when they were vastly underperforming, according to their expected win-loss rating. Right now they're actually outperforming it, believe it or not.

That may be true. Of course, if the Yanks hadn't had fifty injured pitchers in the first 5 games, they would have had a pretty awesome record last year....

And luckily for both the Sox and the Yanks, their two teams that were supposed to be their main rivals this year (Indians and Tigers) are sucking even more than they are. (Well, Boston isn't sucking... but sucking more than the Yanks).

Hank Chinaski		2008-06-08 09:34:20 PM

GimpyNip: Bill Frist: I mean, lets say thye do get Santana but have to give up Joba and Hughes. Okay, they get an ace starter... but they are still stuck with no closer bridge and only three decent starters.

Joba was never a part of that trade.

I should have said they might be risking missing the playoffs THIS YEAR, but their plan, if it works, should have been in the playoffs every year after this one.

keeping a-rod was a no brainer IMHO.

I can't refute that but to sign ARod and not make the playoffs seems like a step backwards considering the Yankees usually make the playoffs and for the first time in a long time had to go in as a WC last year. Look, I think the Yankees have given their fans more than their fair share of joy and should be given carte blanche to make moves all I ment by my point was that if you resign ARod why wouldn't you do the Santana deal?

To me, Hughes was the reason the trade didn't happen. IPK will be a 3rd starter if he becomes the BEST he can be, and if Hughes becomes the best he can, you're looking at a great third starter, a great second starter, or a decent first starter.

Cabrera, Kennedy and maybe another arm like Karstens or Rasner (in the offseason) and I'm sure the yanks would have done it.

jaybeatle		2008-06-08 09:36:10 PM

alacoco: cheesedog1: You know, I am getting real sick of the A's being treated as the Yankees farm system.

The A's are every teams' farm club. And yeah, I'm sick of it too. Want me to come out to the games? Maybe field a team a recognize day to day.

I don't get why people keep on complaining about the turnover in the A's roster. It's not like they're sucking year in and year out with people you don't recognize. They win year in and year out with people you don't recognize. And it's not like Beane is making horrible trades. It seems to me when someone leaves the A's they automatically start sucking.

Go out and support your team. They're winning this year. Hell, I'd swap the A's for the Padres any day of the week.

GimpyNip		2008-06-08 09:44:28 PM

Yankees Team Gynecologist: The Yanks (and Sox) are also worse than they were a year ago

I don't know about that, the players who have had to fill spots for the Sox have been doing a great job. Carter, Lowrie, et al, have all came in and done work. I used to be a marginal Theo detractor but he has created an amazing system down in RI.

Also, I don't think anyone is counting the Yankees out, hell, just last year they started off weak and roared back down the stretch. I will say that the Yankees have lost their luster as the magic scare for all Sox fans though. I enjoy having a good rivalary and who wouldn't appreciate a cadre of new talent on both sides waging war?

Hank Chinaski		2008-06-08 09:46:26 PM

robsul82: All I know is Jason Giambi's MolesterStache better be trade-untouchable like Joba was this offseason.

/it's the best young talent we have this year

What do you think about how the Yanks approach Giambi's option?

I'm thinking they buy him out, and offer him something like 10 mil/1 year.

GimpyNip		2008-06-08 09:52:46 PM

jaybeatle: I don't get why people keep on complaining about the turnover in the A's roster. It's not like they're sucking year in and year out with people you don't recognize. They win year in and year out with people you don't recognize. And it's not like Beane is making horrible trades. It seems to me when someone leaves the A's they automatically start sucking.

I think people complain because we live in the "instant history" age. If you don't win the title every year you failed. That isn't my thought process but that is the current one, it is accentuated in baseball amongst Sox, Yanks, and Cubs fans because those 3 fan bases expect a title every year despite what their team is capable of.

Look at the Pats. They went 18-1 and are a running joke despite winning 3 Super Bowls yet some of their fans couldn't shut up and wanted to be considered "the best team ever." Even if you don't bring spygate into it, to want to be called the best ever before even winning the title in that given year is obnoxious.

The old saying is that some people have to be ditch diggers, and some teams have to be ditch diggers as well, but the A's aren't the ditch diggers of the MLB. To assume that is just silly and another example of what "instant history" yeilds.

Yankees Team Gynecologist		2008-06-08 10:03:04 PM

Hank Chinaski: Ah, Yankees Team Douche back in full force.

Oh no, did I say something bad about the Yankees and offend your Yankee-fan sensibilities? I feel so bad, especially considering that I'm sure you're equally offended when the tables are turned! What a classy guy you are.

Yankees Team Gynecologist		2008-06-08 10:04:50 PM

GimpyNip: Also, I don't think anyone is counting the Yankees out, hell, just last year they started off weak and roared back down the stretch. I will say that the Yankees have lost their luster as the magic scare for all Sox fans though. I enjoy having a good rivalary and who wouldn't appreciate a cadre of new talent on both sides waging war?

Exactly.

Hank Chinaski		2008-06-08 10:10:47 PM

Yankees Team Gynecologist: Hank Chinaski: Ah, Yankees Team Douche back in full force.

Oh no, did I say something bad about the Yankees and offend your Yankee-fan sensibilities? I feel so bad, especially considering that I'm sure you're equally offended when the tables are turned! What a classy guy you are.

No, you don't offend me. I can just feel the douchiness emanating from each of your posts. And as always, especially your handle.

GimpyNip		2008-06-08 10:13:54 PM

Hank Chinaski: No, you don't offend me. I can just feel the douchiness emanating from each of your posts. And as always, especially your handle.

Really? YTG is generally a pretty well though out guy. Maybe you should get past the name as it is pretty funny.

Hank Chinaski		2008-06-08 10:14:13 PM

YTG:

I mean, Location: Jeter's Cervix, NY

If you wrote "jeter's vagina" it would make sense because I would peg you for a middle schooler. But the word 'cervix' implies some knowledge.

I just peg you as a 20-27 year old douchebag or a 28-40 year old Bahstahn dude who would get into a fight with someone at a bar who wore a Yankees hat.

Hank Chinaski		2008-06-08 10:15:17 PM

GimpyNip: Hank Chinaski: No, you don't offend me. I can just feel the douchiness emanating from each of your posts. And as always, especially your handle.

Really? YTG is generally a pretty well though out guy. Maybe you should get past the name as it is pretty funny.

I don't know, I've never seen intelligence in his posts. Only arrogant, haughty, douchebaggery.

Special J		2008-06-08 10:23:36 PM

Matsui has a no-trade clause, and would have to accept this.

I love fantasy trades in any sport where the writer just assumes players would love to waive their no-trades.

lilbjorn		2008-06-08 10:33:57 PM

Yankees Team Gynecologist: What, and give up two top pitching prospects, one of them MLB's best? Please.

If anyone still doubts that Cashman is back in control, just look at the youth they've built this team around. Hughes had a rough start last season due to freak injuries, but make no mistake, 2008 will be his year. Expect him to be hot right out of the gate in April.

This top farm system is about to pay off. Gone is the era of meddling, loudmouth Steinbrenners. George is out, Cash is in, and with the young talent this team has, it'll be like the 90s all over again.

Well played.

raidersofthelostfark		2008-06-08 11:18:06 PM

I enjoy having a good rivalary and who wouldn't appreciate a cadre of new talent on both sides waging war?

Which is why it's so much fun that Tampa Bay is stepping up; with the added bonus of 10 years (or whatever) of bad blood between the two teams.

the wild card spot occupied by a Devil Rays team who is bound to plummit back to earth soon.

I wouldn't be surprised if soon turns out to be many years from now. That team has a lot of interesting players on it....

Bill Frist		2008-06-08 11:32:11 PM

the wild card spot occupied by a Devil Rays team who is bound to plummit back to earth soon.

I wouldn't be surprised if soon turns out to be many years from now. That team has a lot of interesting players on it....

Yeah? You think the Devil Rays will be playoff fixtures for "many years?"

I guess I shouldn't make fun. You guys don't get to taste victory much, might as well let you enjoy it while it lasts.

4NSpy		2008-06-09 12:29:30 AM

I couldn't stand Marte when he would come in for the sox. I only seem to remember him blowing games, not holding.

raidersofthelostfark		2008-06-09 12:33:55 AM

Yeah? You think the Devil Rays will be playoff fixtures for "many years?"

I guess I shouldn't make fun. You guys don't get to taste victory much, might as well let you enjoy it while it lasts.

Bad news: I'm a Red Sox fan. That jab doesn't hurt nearly as much as it used to.

But yeah - I think Tampa Bay is going to be in the mix; it would be a no brainer call were they in any other division.

Exhibit A: Good young pitching. Shields is locked up til 2014, Kazmir 'til 2012. The rest of their current rotation is young, Price and Davis are coming, maybe McGee.

Exhibit B: Good young position players. Longoria is 22, Upton is 23, Crawford (not particularly good this year) is only 26, Navarro (who doesn't need to be this good to be a useful championship piece) is 24. Pena is the old man at 30. Brignac is right around the corner, with Jennings and now Beckham in the future.

Exhibit C: A front office has been exhibiting flashes of competence. Not only have they assembled a good core, they've also been taking the good pieces and fixing their costs. At this point, I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt for swinging a decent trade at the deadline or a free agent signing.

What's not to like? Mostly, the lack of establishded 32+ year old stars. And the division rivals, as previously noted.

Bill Frist		2008-06-09 12:50:02 AM

I'm not saying they are a bad team... but I don't believe they are a playoff team, yet at least, and living in the same division as the Yanks and Sox make me doubt they will be in the playoffs for "many years" to come.

jimmybobby		2008-06-09 01:01:37 AM

Only need one trade to fix the Yankees: Ownership from Steinbrenner family to any sabermetric friendly group willing to invest money intelligently (e.g. farm system) and not mess with their baseball people (Joba=good so lets make him a starter mid-season! He can throw at 100 mph, so has to start!) or create unreasonable expectations every season (every starter called up from the farm should immediately have a sub 3.5 ERA and be a 12+ game winner). Or willing to mess with things that work.

/ Really hope Steinbrenner family keeps control of Yankees.
// Go Sox!
/// Go Celtics! Continue to BEAT LA!

Daniels		2008-06-09 02:17:18 AM

I still don't understand why, if the Yanks were 1) really world about their crap pen and 2) wanting to stretch Joba out into a multi-inning pitcher why they didn't just, you know, make him a multi-inning pitcher.

What would have been the problem with him coming in whenever the starter wears out and pitching three innings and hand the ball to Mariano in the 9th. Seems like if they could make him pitch *gasp* two or two-and-a-third every game it could have solved a lot of problems.

WrongTrousers		2008-06-09 02:21:42 AM

AlrightGuy		2008-06-09 08:15:11 AM

WrongTrousers: Yankees Team Gynecologist: priestrape: there's one trade that can turn the Yankees into an instant World Series favorite for 2008:

Cabrera, Hughes, Kennedy to the Twins for Johann Santana. I think if they put their heads together, they can make this thing happen

---

What, and give up two top pitching prospects, one of them MLB's best? Please.

If anyone still doubts that Cashman is back in control, just look at the youth they've built this team around. Hughes had a rough start last season due to freak injuries, but make no mistake, 2008 will be his year. Expect him to be hot right out of the gate in April.

This top farm system is about to pay off. Gone is the era of meddling, loudmouth Steinbrenners. George is out, Cash is in, and with the young talent this team has, it'll be like the 90s all over again.

O RLY?

Are you telling me you've missed all of Hank's brilliant comments this year?

Your Sarcasm-Meter is broken, isn't it?

Imperialism		2008-06-09 08:42:46 AM

I'm sure Kenny Williams is falling over himself trying to trade John Danks and Nick Swisher. Get real.

NimbleWalrus		2008-06-09 09:59:49 AM

How 'bout the White Sox do nothing at all but laugh at the Jankees?

Daniels		2008-06-09 10:17:38 AM

priestrape: Cabrera, Hughes, Kennedy to the Twins for Johann Santana.

In fairness, I don't think that would have helped their bullpen.

ltrain2		2008-06-09 11:23:35 AM

The Yankees should seriously consider signing Bonds.

I hate him very much, but sticking him in front of A-Rod forces teams to pitch to him or vice-versa.

And the Yankees have no morals, so it shouldn't effect team chemistry at all given the fact that they have none.

Or they could do the smart thing and GO GET SOME PITCHING.

Either way it really doesn't matter, they are a Wild Card team if they're lucky. If they're very lucky.

fark_me_running		2008-06-09 11:47:55 AM

Hank Chinaski: Yankees Team Gynecologist: priestrape: there's one trade that can turn the Yankees into an instant World Series favorite for 2008:

Cabrera, Hughes, Kennedy to the Twins for Johann Santana. I think if they put their heads together, they can make this thing happen

---

What, and give up two top pitching prospects, one of them MLB's best? Please.

If anyone still doubts that Cashman is back in control, just look at the youth they've built this team around. Hughes had a rough start last season due to freak injuries, but make no mistake, 2008 will be his year. Expect him to be hot right out of the gate in April.

This top farm system is about to pay off. Gone is the era of meddling, loudmouth Steinbrenners. George is out, Cash is in, and with the young talent this team has, it'll be like the 90s all over again.

Ah, Yankees Team Douche back in full force.

i don't think someone that lists their location as "the far greater NYC area" really should be taking offense to someone else professing their dislike for the yanks.
/ lighten the fark up francis

Hank Chinaski		2008-06-09 11:58:56 AM

fark_me_running: Hank Chinaski: Yankees Team Gynecologist: priestrape: there's one trade that can turn the Yankees into an instant World Series favorite for 2008:

Cabrera, Hughes, Kennedy to the Twins for Johann Santana. I think if they put their heads together, they can make this thing happen

---

What, and give up two top pitching prospects, one of them MLB's best? Please.

If anyone still doubts that Cashman is back in control, just look at the youth they've built this team around. Hughes had a rough start last season due to freak injuries, but make no mistake, 2008 will be his year. Expect him to be hot right out of the gate in April.

This top farm system is about to pay off. Gone is the era of meddling, loudmouth Steinbrenners. George is out, Cash is in, and with the young talent this team has, it'll be like the 90s all over again.

Ah, Yankees Team Douche back in full force.

i don't think someone that lists their location as "the far greater NYC area" really should be taking offense to someone else professing their dislike for the yanks.
/ lighten the fark up francis

Oh, you're from Red Sox Nation, where's that, Gary, Ohio?

Ramone_Frunkis		2008-06-09 12:10:34 PM

Well, clearly a lot of people here know a lot about baseball.

bacongood		2008-06-09 12:18:31 PM

Yanks_RSJ:
NEWSFLASH: He was NEVER a starter on the major league level. He started one game at AAA, and seven each at AA and A+ ball. Hardly a large body of work, especially when you consider that he averaged fewer than six innings per start at both levels.

Probably too late to the party, but whatever.

All those starts where in one season. He pitched 15 games in A+/AA, 14 starts. He pitched 80.1 innings. When you remember that these were minor league starts, where the goal is not to see how deep you can go, but to work on pitches, I think he did fine as a starter. By AAA, I think they were already planning to have him go relieve at the majors that year, so they had in come in relief.

You also ignore the 14 (89.1 innings) starts he made for Nebraska in 2006 and the 18 starts (118.2 innings) in 2005.

Just because he made his first appearance in the majors as a reliever doesn't mean he is a reliever. Most pitchers do this (see Santana, Johan, who kept relieving even after his rule V year was up).

BleedPinstripes		2008-06-09 12:45:15 PM

Hank Chinaski:

To me, Hughes was the reason the trade didn't happen. IPK will be a 3rd starter if he becomes the BEST he can be, and if Hughes becomes the best he can, you're looking at a ~~great third starter, a great second starter, or a decent first starter~~ dominate #1 ace.

FTFY.

Most people will never live up to their potential, and Hughes is having troubles for sure.

That said, we are talking about the top pitching prospect in all of MLB (when he was still a prospect).

If you are going to talk about the top end of Hughes potential, it isn't a decent pitcher. It is an elite pitcher. A franchise pitcher.

It doesn't mean he is going to get there, but he still has more upside then anyone else in the Yankee system.

PewterPirate55		2008-06-09 01:22:58 PM

The lefty that will end up in pinstripes for the Yanks is C.C. Sabathia. Mark it down. The tribe wont pay him and the Yanks think he will be able to help and he is in the starting rotation too. If they could get a decent right or left fielder for him the tribe might me on the fast track to rebuilding.

Of course it will be a bust because CC is finished.