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theigorway		2008-06-08 10:39:10 AM

The most frustrating part must be to realize she could have won if she had made an effort in the early caucus states and not followed Penn's strategy.

Nonesuch		2008-06-08 10:45:11 AM

tgee: That would only apply to dems, republican egos are sufficiently impervious to reality that they can coast on the closeness of the call for decades.

Nah, if the republican asks some of their dads friends to give him the election anyway, they'll give it to him. After all... he tried REALLY hard this time.

magores		2008-06-08 10:45:53 AM

snuff3r: Confabulat: Just eat the damn bacon you fools.

I have a simple philosophy.. I don't trust anyone that doesn't eat bacon. Jews, Arabs, etc etc

And don't get me started on those vegetarians. Yes, those damn dirty vegetarians. *shakes fist*

/kidding, of course

As a non-strict vegetarian, I'm shaking a carrot dipped in bacon grease in your general direction.

Twisted Gods		2008-06-08 10:46:40 AM

mark12A: Fark Jimmie Carter. Most idiotic ex president ever.

Israel sucks, and it's a damn shame the U.S. is its devoted slave, because it offers us nothing in return. And what a bunch of a-holes they continually prove to be.

Does that make me an anti-Semite? Or just pointing out the obvious?

Hmmmm, who to support? Liberal, tolerant, free, democratic state? Or intolerant, dictatorial, violent, gangster states surrounding it? Decisions, decisions....

Because we all know that Israel is liberal, tolerant, free, democratic state...

CasperImproved		2008-06-08 10:47:06 AM

thetheologian: I am going to part with most of the haters in this thread and say I feel sorry for her. She is a person like you and I and this is a humbling defeat. In many ways, breaking the glass ceiling was more difficult for her than it was for Obama. She is a woman and the media picked her apart for that.

I am going to vote for Obama but I do feel sorry for Hillary.

Then you are either naive, stupid, or not worthy of sharing your opinion.

Pick one.

fizzygillespie		2008-06-08 10:47:07 AM

Sir Cumference the Flatulent: Here's how another corrupt, disgraced politician handled it:

Take the honorable way out, Hillary. Fall on your sword.

Hey, man. Nice shot.

yelmrog		2008-06-08 10:47:28 AM

CharlatanSin
For those of you trying to understand this in terms of the Carter Presidency:

Damn that Jimmy Carter for refusing to negotiate with Islamic extremists. What a pussy.

Thunderpipes		2008-06-08 10:53:26 AM

Obama is 30% negro, the only reason he won, or even did anything. He played the race card, it works in this country. The man's plans for the country are downright silly and dangerous, but look at all the Obama tools like on Fark, they don't care what he stands for, they just like Democrat + partly black + "change" uttered over and over.

Sad....

CasperImproved		2008-06-08 10:53:55 AM

AndrewGK: CasperImproved: I was thinking along the lines of "painful loss of reality". Maybe she should be given a prescription of drugs that would make it all better, and allow her to never feel sad again.

NO.

Never.

I want her to remember the pain and if she ever runs for a major office again, learn not to be such a crazy biatch again.

I would happily accept her going back down south, dragging her worthless husband with her, and eventually dieing in a fire after everyone forgot about them.

That would be appropriate.

AndrewGK		2008-06-08 10:55:06 AM

AndrewGK		2008-06-08 10:56:22 AM

CasperImproved: I would happily accept her going back down south, dragging her worthless husband with her, and eventually dieing in a fire after everyone forgot about them.

That would be appropriate.

See, I think death is the easy way out. I want her to continue living and having to continually deal with having the "loser" tag placed around her neck.

Corpus Delecti		2008-06-08 10:56:32 AM

Sir Cumference the Flatulent: Here's how another corrupt, disgraced politician handled it:

Take the honorable way out, Hillary. Fall on your sword.

Stay classy, Fark.

odinsposse		2008-06-08 10:57:06 AM

aneki:
Better question. If all the primaries had been held on the same day as Iowa, would Obama have won big?

If the primaries were all held today (post rev wright stuff), would Obama win?

Yes. If you radically change the rules of the contest then the contest is changed. How insightful.

Seigneur		2008-06-08 10:57:53 AM

The country was depressed after Carters' term.

spelunking_defenestrator		2008-06-08 10:58:07 AM

Party Boy:
√ Denial
√ Anger
√ Bargaining
• Depression
• Acceptance

It's pretty astounding, since March or so, once Obama started putting this race to bed, she's followed this precise trajectory.

1. "There is no way I can lose this race. I'm inevitable. The states that vote for him don't matter."

2. "JEREMIAH WRIGHT! Help! Republicans! Demolish this guy for me!"

3. "Sooooo. Vice President...any plans?"

4. The next six months, moreso if Obama wins in November I bet.

5. We're not gonna hear about it. May God aid the great state of New York.

Thunderpipes		2008-06-08 10:58:17 AM

AndrewGK: Thunderpipes: Obama is 30% negro, the only reason he won, or even did anything. He played the race card, it works in this country. The man's plans for the country are downright silly and dangerous, but look at all the Obama tools like on Fark, they don't care what he stands for, they just like Democrat + partly black + "change" uttered over and over.

2/10.

Other trolls already played the race card.

You are a troll, full of troll and no substance.

Obama the idiot, in a time of slowed economy and crazy gas prices, plans to increase business taxes and increase taxes on oil. Only a goddamn retard would want that. I am sure you do, therefore, you are a retard. Get a haircut Corky!

0.0001/10

Twisted Gods		2008-06-08 10:59:11 AM

mama's_tasty_foods: I really hope Obama does NOT pick her for VP. I cannot stand the thought of 4-8 more years of the Clintons.

When Bill stepped up publicly to campaign, suddenly we were reminded of all the BAD things about the 90s.

Obama CAN NOT pick her for VP for one main reason...

His entire campaign is based off of "Change we can believe in." and moving away from the current political "in group," and "politics as usual."

If he decides to pick Hillary for his VP, he will be flatly contradicting his entire campaign in order to get support from the states that wouldn't give him the time of day during the primary.

Party Boy		2008-06-08 11:00:23 AM

spelunking_defenestrator: It's pretty astounding, since March or so, once Obama started putting this race to bed, she's followed this precise trajectory.

a little back and forth from anger to bargaining, imo.

Guess I should burn through more of my Hillary 'shops, as they're soon to be a relic of history.

spelunking_defenestrator		2008-06-08 11:03:22 AM

I really hope Obama does NOT pick her for VP.

It will not happen. Unless the Establishment really, really, really twists his arm, we're safe. Common sense says he's going to want to bring in his own people, I don't see any way he'd bring her in, there are just too many negatives she brings in with her that minimize anything she does bring to the table (donors, her "people", her undeniable policy expertise).

I just don't see it happening.

Thunderpipes		2008-06-08 11:03:58 AM

Twisted Gods: His entire campaign is based off of "Change we can believe in." and moving away from the current political "in group," and "politics as usual."

Change we can believe in? Do you even understand any of his policies? They spell flat out doom for the economy. What do you believe in, exactly? He is not "politics as usual"? Huh? First he wants to smoke the pole of Iran, now he is "tough" on Iran? He biatches about everything McCain says or does, but when somone brings up legit gripes, he says it is unfair, and he is "black" so he should get a pass.

Jesus Farkers, you need to wake up and smell the real world. If Obama farted wetly, you would be there licking it up saying how wonderful it tastes.

spelunking_defenestrator		2008-06-08 11:04:04 AM

Guess I should burn through more of my Hillary 'shops

heh, seriously, use em or lose em

Party Boy		2008-06-08 11:05:39 AM

I love bizzaro-world troll.

Harry Dangler		2008-06-08 11:05:57 AM

She probably wakes up nowadays and feels like the guy who squandered a huge chunk of the family fortune in Vegas.

yelmrog		2008-06-08 11:06:04 AM

Thunderpipes
look at all the Obama tools like on Fark, they don't care what he stands for, they just like Democrat + partly black + "change" uttered over and over.

I think there's also plenty of people who are sick of the Republican Party selling out to the neocons and the Fundies, while abandoning the principles of limited government and fiscal responsibility.

I don't like voting for Democrats personally, but the GOP has simply lost its mind.

nijika		2008-06-08 11:08:32 AM

Oh boo hoo, I wasn't made PRESIDENT.

Jesus Hernandez Christ...

abb3w		2008-06-08 11:09:13 AM

aneki: My prediction is that Hillary will quietly not go for the VP position, let Obama go into the general and fail. During the 4 years of McCain she will take Reid's place as Senate Majority leader, then be the "I told you so" candidate in 2012.

Stupidest parts of that remark are (a) she's loudly tried and failed to settle for the VP and (b) this plan is contingent on McCain winning. If you can't insure all paths lead to the same victory, insure all paths at least lead to some victory.

Ousting Reid, however, is not stupid. He practically bent 'em and spread 'em regarding Telecomm immunity, rather than (say) require they only get immunity to the extent they provide full testimony to congress. The way she should cheer herself up is start cheering on every OTHER democratic senatorial candidate who wants her help, while very, very quietly sounding out the others about a coup-de-tat. If she's real smart, she'd study up on how Ford's backers pulled it off when he was in the Senate.

Doing so would allow her ambitious and power-hungry nature to serve the good of the nation; she'll make sure the Senate exercises its powers to the fullest, and possibly erode the excessive power grab by the executive during President Dubya's terms. Alternatively, she can spend the time on the stump for Obama himself, and hope he'll put her on the SCOTUS shortlist if Scalia's next bacon Alfredo sends him to his Final Appeal.

She's not going to be president unless the Secret Service screws up horrifically. She needs to get over her depression by accepting that, figuring out that her real goal is power and position to make a mark on history, and find the best option presently possible. Becoming the Queen Bee-atch of the Senate is the obvious short-term target; however, she should be cautious enough not to piss off too many people to preclude an "advice-and-consent" vote to put her on the Bench.

spelunking_defenestrator		2008-06-08 11:11:48 AM

I think there's also plenty of people who are sick of the Republican Party selling out to the neocons and the Fundies

They didn't sell out, they are entirely comprised of neocons and fundies. Moderate Republicans are your grandfather's Republicans, there's really no such thing any more.

It's funny, five, ten years ago when the Republicans were in their ascendancy, they were all about ideological purity, about neutralizing and removing the moderates in their party. Now that they're in the decline, they don't have a center to fall back on. Couldn't have happened to a nicer bunch of demons...

CasperImproved		2008-06-08 11:12:14 AM

Thunderpipes: Obama is 30% negro, the only reason he won, or even did anything. He played the race card, it works in this country. The man's plans for the country are downright silly and dangerous, but look at all the Obama tools like on Fark, they don't care what he stands for, they just like Democrat + partly black + "change" uttered over and over.

Sad....

Thunderpipes: Obama is 30% negro, the only reason he won, or even did anything. He played the race card, it works in this country. The man's plans for the country are downright silly and dangerous, but look at all the Obama tools like on Fark, they don't care what he stands for, they just like Democrat + partly black + "change" uttered over and over.

Sad....

You could be a troll, or you really could be something even more tragic, and need to crawl back under the rock you came from.

Should it matter what gender, creed, or other preference for an elected official if their plan is to do the right thing?

If you know a clansman (considering your belief system that you are showing) that would choose to let gay people have the same rights an any other citizen, would that work for you?

I don't care if the president is a midget, gay, purple, or religious.

If he is sincere in delivering closer government requirements that fit my belief system, I would vote for him/her.

We know the other "probables" are part of the same lame grouping that maintain our current situation that many Americans are not happy about.

Want to stay in Iraq at least until 2013? Want to support an administration that would have us in war on three different fronts? Want to sink more money then we can possibly spend on options that only a few rich dip scripts want to support?

Well, that would support what you are talking about.

Personally, I'd like us to fix our own economy, stop owing other countries more then we can afford to pay, get our unemployed people back to work, drop the lame trade agreements we have with other countries (like China) where they are not doing the right thing, and get back on track to stay on top of our own issues with things like criminal resolution (since we obviously as country that has the most in prison, are not being very successful in fixing the issue).

In any case, your post sucked.

Twisted Gods		2008-06-08 11:13:11 AM

Thunderpipes: Twisted Gods: His entire campaign is based off of "Change we can believe in." and moving away from the current political "in group," and "politics as usual."

Change we can believe in? Do you even understand any of his policies? They spell flat out doom for the economy. What do you believe in, exactly? He is not "politics as usual"? Huh? First he wants to smoke the pole of Iran, now he is "tough" on Iran? He biatches about everything McCain says or does, but when somone brings up legit gripes, he says it is unfair, and he is "black" so he should get a pass.

Jesus Farkers, you need to wake up and smell the real world. If Obama farted wetly, you would be there licking it up saying how wonderful it tastes.

Don't mistake me for a Obama supporter, man. Settle down. I was merely pointing out that picking Hillary for VP would fly in the face of all of his campaign platitudes.

I plan to fully support McCain, even though he is a RINO, Republican In Name Only. I find I agree with a lot more of what he says than ole BrObama.

mark12A		2008-06-08 11:14:27 AM

Because we all know that Israel is liberal, tolerant, free, democratic state...

Free elections - check

Freedom of speech - check

Independent judiciary - check

equal rights for women - check

don't sit around all day debating whether they should hang gays or crush them under a pile of stones - check

Am I missing something here? Is Gaza a lush, democratic, free society? Syria? Egypt?

Drubell		2008-06-08 11:16:28 AM

If she's upset because she's not President instead of being upset because she's afraid of America failing, then I would not have wanted her in office anyway. Suck it, crybaby.

yelmrog		2008-06-08 11:16:34 AM

spelunking_defenestrator
They didn't sell out, they are entirely comprised of neocons and fundies. Moderate Republicans are your grandfather's Republicans, there's really no such thing any more.

I can still dream, okay? Thanks, Mr. Buzzkill.

Now that they're in the decline, they don't have a center to fall back on. Couldn't have happened to a nicer bunch of demons...

Hopefully they'll decline right out of existence.

susanann		2008-06-08 11:19:44 AM

Thunderpipes: the only reason he won, or even did anything. He played the race card, ....

Didn't Hussein Obama get over 90% of the black vote?

(90% of any vote is not a coincidence)

libbynomore2		2008-06-08 11:23:54 AM

Carter is correct. Americans were extremely depressed when the country lost in 1976.......which coincidentally was when Carter won the Presidency.

spelunking_defenestrator		2008-06-08 11:24:42 AM

Thunderpipes: He played the race card, it works in this country.

That's fine, if you don't like Obama, it's your opinion and you're welcome to it. I haven't made my decision yet, but it's likely I won't vote for him myself.

However, you're just farking talking out of your stupid ass here. Obama strenuously avoided playing the race card all throughout the primaries. I'd like you to show me one indisputable instance of him "playing the race card", which I understand to be "using your ethnic background as a means to personal advantage against others." What this means to you is, I'd like instances where he called Clinton supporters racist, or some sort of special pleading that he should be treated differently because of who he is. He's avoided doing so out of principle. He's not Al Sharpton, as much as you'd like him to be.

Rubberband Girl		2008-06-08 11:27:00 AM

natedogtx - Dear Hillary, the misogyny concept might have been an easier sell if you hadn't lost to a minority candidate. You think that all real issues aside, America is more ready for a black man as president than a white woman? Please note, roughly half the population IS women...

That last part is important.

While I've seen misogyny in this campaign, I don't believe it was THE thing that tanked her - it's not even in the top five things that tanked her because so many voters are female themselves. I think hubris played a role in that a lot of people (maybe herself included) saw her as the obvious and only choice and the primaries were just a technicality and therefore not taken as seriously as they could've been.

But she and her staff made some boo-boos along the way and the person who pulled ahead turned out to be someone least likely to do so just a year or so ago (not just because he's black, but because he's "green" compared to the other candidates).

Some 'Splainin' To Do		2008-06-08 11:30:42 AM

kruuth: SO we can expect her to go all anti-semite like carter did?

9/10

Nice. Elegant. A good example of the art, sir.

CasperImproved		2008-06-08 11:31:27 AM

AndrewGK: CasperImproved: I would happily accept her going back down south, dragging her worthless husband with her, and eventually dieing in a fire after everyone forgot about them.

That would be appropriate.

See, I think death is the easy way out. I want her to continue living and having to continually deal with having the "loser" tag placed around her neck.

If life was fair, both her and her husband would be required to be "branded" with a very hot iron with an "L" on their foreheads, big enough to never hide from the public.

Personally, I would apply that rule to the rest of the worthless "leaders" we have had since Reagan. He may have been hardcore, and a number of faults, but even our enemies respected him.

Since then, we've had no reason to be proud of our leadership.

I vote we work towards having leaders that the international community respects, and we can get behind and support.

Do they need to be any particular health/sex/race/religious profile? I don't think so. Most US residents just want a good president.

Screw the current in office batch of "let's delete the constitution", and make our own personal lives better.

Did you notice that the bulk of the crap leaders we have in the US are also rich, and on the board of directors for the bigger companies? They are the same so called *leaders* that think sending work to 3rd world counties is a good thing. Of course, this is based on what's good for the majority.

WAKE UP people. We are not heading towards a better future. We are still working towards making the richer more money, and losing what it is that allows us to have an enjoyable life.

For example. Do you believe our leaders care less what it costs us (the peons) for gas to get to the work locations that make them rich? I don't think so.

scott-ty		2008-06-08 11:33:38 AM

She had her private meating with Obama and cut her deals. The only reason she has tossed her support and followers into his camp. She is probably guaranteed a supreme court appointment and yes some darkie pork sausage supplied but the leader of the the "Obama-Nation" nuff said.

Louder And More Dissonant		2008-06-08 11:35:51 AM

spelunking_defenestrator: He's avoided doing so out of principle.

Also, because it clearly wouldn't have the desired effect. (Al Sharpton q.v.)

CasperImproved		2008-06-08 11:38:34 AM

Twisted Gods: Thunderpipes: Twisted Gods: His entire campaign is based off of "Change we can believe in." and moving away from the current political "in group," and "politics as usual."

Change we can believe in? Do you even understand any of his policies? They spell flat out doom for the economy. What do you believe in, exactly? He is not "politics as usual"? Huh? First he wants to smoke the pole of Iran, now he is "tough" on Iran? He biatches about everything McCain says or does, but when somone brings up legit gripes, he says it is unfair, and he is "black" so he should get a pass.

Jesus Farkers, you need to wake up and smell the real world. If Obama farted wetly, you would be there licking it up saying how wonderful it tastes.

Don't mistake me for a Obama supporter, man. Settle down. I was merely pointing out that picking Hillary for VP would fly in the face of all of his campaign platitudes.

I plan to fully support McCain, even though he is a RINO, Republican In Name Only. I find I agree with a lot more of what he says than ole BrObama.

Good for you.

Can we separate our finances from you, so you can continue to support the efforts in Iraq until McCain is done? I believe his view is the long term.... Personally? I'd rather support the health care of our own nation for those that can't pay for it.

How about retirement? Can you afford with what is in your own wallet to pay for your own? Most can't. I suppose that means for most that they should have to do without plans to be able to get past their working career, and just suck it up.

Tor_Eckman		2008-06-08 11:38:37 AM

libbynomore2: Carter is correct. Americans were extremely depressed when the country lost in 1976.......which coincidentally was when Carter won the Presidency.

I wasn't depressed at all! I spent that summer getting drunk off of booze I stole from my dad's liquor cabinet and got my first piece of arse. All in all, it was a pretty great year for me.

Oh, and if the country was depressed in '76, it didn't have anything to do with Carter. We were still trying to shake off the stink of another catastrophic Republican failure, and trying to recover from a decade of pointless war. Carter was a breath of fresh air.

Disco sucked though.

Seigneur		2008-06-08 11:45:42 AM

yelmrog: Thunderpipes
look at all the Obama tools like on Fark, they don't care what he stands for, they just like Democrat + partly black + "change" uttered over and over.

I think there's also plenty of people who are sick of the Republican Party selling out to the neocons and the Fundies, while abandoning the principles of limited government and fiscal responsibility.

I don't like voting for Democrats personally, but the GOP has simply lost its mind.

You could always vote for Bob Barr instead. I know I am.

libbynomore2		2008-06-08 11:45:44 AM

spelunking_defenestrator 2008-06-08 11:24:42 AM
Thunderpipes: He played the race card, it works in this country.

That's fine, if you don't like Obama, it's your opinion and you're welcome to it. I haven't made my decision yet, but it's likely I won't vote for him myself.

That's fine, but just be prepared to be accused of racial bias as your reasons. This is going to be a campaign riddled with guilt trips, accusations of racism and Politically Correct nonsense. I mean even outside of this country, we have Europeans who know even less about Obama than we do, and none of which has ever elected a black man telling us Obama's the got to be the guy.

Based on the unfair pressure of stigmatization that will be put on the electorate, look for wildy inaccurate and missleading polls. Who would admit they support McCain when they know they'll just be called names?

Mugato		2008-06-08 11:46:58 AM

Hillary needs to find whatever actor got the final callback and lost the Luke Skywalker part and Scott Norwood who choked in the '91 SuperBowl and see who can drink themselves to death first.

Seigneur		2008-06-08 11:51:55 AM

spelunking_defenestrator: Thunderpipes: He played the race card, it works in this country.

However, you're just farking talking out of your stupid ass here. Obama strenuously avoided playing the race card all throughout the primaries.

Obama might not have played the race card but the Race is playing Obama. Just like the wymin voted for Hillary just because she was a woman.

I present to you your racist/sexist Democratic Party...Enjoy!

Seigneur		2008-06-08 11:55:11 AM

Tor_Eckman: libbynomore2: Carter is correct. Americans were extremely depressed when the country lost in 1976.......which coincidentally was when Carter won the Presidency.

I wasn't depressed at all! I spent that summer getting drunk off of booze I stole from my dad's liquor cabinet and got my first piece of arse. All in all, it was a pretty great year for me.

Oh, and if the country was depressed in '76, it didn't have anything to do with Carter. We were still trying to shake off the stink of another catastrophic Republican failure, and trying to recover from a decade of pointless war. Carter was a breath of fresh air.

Disco sucked though.

Nice revisionist history. Vietnam was a Kennedy/Johnson war. Nixon got us out of that mess.

Tor_Eckman		2008-06-08 11:57:42 AM

Seigneur: Tor_Eckman: libbynomore2: Carter is correct. Americans were extremely depressed when the country lost in 1976.......which coincidentally was when Carter won the Presidency.

I wasn't depressed at all! I spent that summer getting drunk off of booze I stole from my dad's liquor cabinet and got my first piece of arse. All in all, it was a pretty great year for me.

Oh, and if the country was depressed in '76, it didn't have anything to do with Carter. We were still trying to shake off the stink of another catastrophic Republican failure, and trying to recover from a decade of pointless war. Carter was a breath of fresh air.

Disco sucked though.

Nice revisionist history. Vietnam was a Kennedy/Johnson war. Nixon got us out of that mess.

Um, where in my post did I blame the war on anyone?

maamold		2008-06-08 12:00:13 PM

Great Janitor: I don't think that Clinton's finished. She said that she's suspended her campaign, not conceded. She may return in 2012 to 'resume her campaign', or she may get some lawyers, and fight for the Florida and that other state, delegates, as well as what other problems she might invent to cast enough doubt as to who really won the nomination. I don't think she's depressed, just planning her next move in this election.

If a campaign is in debt then in order to still gather money to repay the debt it has to be suspended. Although I agree that she's just the type of person to try and undermine Obama with shenanigans.