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(News 10 ABC Sacramento)   Four years of high school? [√] Passed the exit exam? [√] Cap and gown? [√] Two cancer surgeries? [√] Radiation treatment? [√] One remaining summer school class? [√ ] FINE, GO AHEAD AND GRADUATE   (news10.net) divider line 177
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2008-06-07 02:04:33 PM
amaranthe: jshine: / participating in the ceremony is *not* equivalent to graduating

No, but it's a lot like having a birthday party for yourself in June when your birthday isn't until September.


SO???
 
2008-06-07 02:04:41 PM
amaranthe:

/Opinions are like assholes


True thing. Yours just stinks more than most.
 
2008-06-07 02:06:29 PM
ceconix: She was 5 credits from graduating. that's not like college credits where it would be 2 classes, that's 5 full classes.

5 credits = one class. English, in her case.
 
2008-06-07 02:08:02 PM
lady_nocturne:

Not every school allocates credits the same way. At the HS at which I teach, 5 credits is one semester of a class. So a semester of English (which she flunked) would be a five-credit class. In CA, you have to take four years of English to graduate high school. What was she supposed to do, take senior English ahead of time, just in case she got cancer?


Not at all. I was basing that on my personal experience, which is all anyone can really do. If it simply was 1 semester of English, then it's a whole different scenario than almost an entire year of classes. You can EASILY take a summer English class and still walk with your class. You can't cram a year into 2-3 months.

Maybe someone here knows how that district allocates credits?
 
2008-06-07 02:12:26 PM
English doesnt not matter; get by in life just fine without no English.
 
2008-06-07 02:13:10 PM
ceconix:
Not at all. I was basing that on my personal experience, which is all anyone can really do. If it simply was 1 semester of English, then it's a whole different scenario than almost an entire year of classes. You can EASILY take a summer English class and still walk with your class. You can't cram a year into 2-3 months.

Maybe someone here knows how that district allocates credits?


Doesn't even matter if it was five classes or one. What matters is how much total work she needs to make up. It is apparent from the article that she has been doing as much work as possible during her chemo and radiation treatments.
 
2008-06-07 02:14:25 PM
ceconix: If it simply was 1 semester of English, then it's a whole different scenario than almost an entire year of classes. You can EASILY take a summer English class and still walk with your class. You can't cram a year into 2-3 months.

Maybe someone here knows how that district allocates credits?


According to TFA, she needed to "complete" an English course. It didn't say she needed to take one from start to finish. It could be that she just had to complete a few assignments. The school is now saying she can walk as long as she completes one paper, but I'm guessing that the original amount of material required was a bit larger.
 
2008-06-07 02:16:11 PM
thelordofcheese: A graduation ceremony was really that important? From a public school in the USA? Wow... I wish that girl would have died of cancer. It seems the experience hasn't taught her about hard work, determination and what's really important. Like we nee another one liike her.
/"You don't know what I've been through!"
//Oh, I know, I just don't care because you're wasting your life
\not saying that fun isn't important
\\just high school


Wow, you're an asshole.

/I hope you die of cancer.
 
2008-06-07 02:16:14 PM
I'd hit it! (gently)
 
2008-06-07 02:19:22 PM
I graduated college and never even considered doing the "walk" ritual.

Total waste of time that contributes nothing to my education.

/didn't go to senior prom in HS either, same reason. Lame. Took my GF to a concert instead. Based on what I heard about the prom, we chose wisely.
 
2008-06-07 02:22:18 PM
ExJerseyGirl: Doesn't even matter if it was five classes or one. What matters is how much total work she needs to make up. It is apparent from the article that she has been doing as much work as possible during her chemo and radiation treatments.

Ummm... what?

The total work that needs to be made up would be extremely different if it was 1 class versus 5. It's all well and good that she is doing as much work as possible, and if she has 1 class left, let her walk and finish it in summer school. I don't know many people that could cram 5 classes into a summer session, so that would change the entire equation.

Congrats to her for doing ANY schoolwork while undergoing that horrible process, but that doesn't change my opinion about her walking.
 
2008-06-07 02:23:37 PM
Behold the power of Fark.
 
2008-06-07 02:28:01 PM
A lot of these flying around this year, you'd think the media doesn't have anything else to report on or something....
 
2008-06-07 02:28:13 PM
ceconix: ExJerseyGirl: Doesn't even matter if it was five classes or one. What matters is how much total work she needs to make up. It is apparent from the article that she has been doing as much work as possible during her chemo and radiation treatments.

Ummm... what?

The total work that needs to be made up would be extremely different if it was 1 class versus 5. It's all well and good that she is doing as much work as possible, and if she has 1 class left, let her walk and finish it in summer school. I don't know many people that could cram 5 classes into a summer session, so that would change the entire equation.

Congrats to her for doing ANY schoolwork while undergoing that horrible process, but that doesn't change my opinion about her walking.



I would say RTFA, but you did. What's next, C(omprehend)TFA? She doesn't need to complete five classes. Quit harping on that because you're just wrong.
 
2008-06-07 02:30:59 PM
ceconix:

Ummm... what?

The total work that needs to be made up would be extremely different if it was 1 class versus 5. It's all well and good that she is doing as much work as possible, and if she has 1 class left, let her walk and finish it in summer school. I don't know many people that could cram 5 classes into a summer session, so that would change the entire equation.

My point is that she wouldn't be cramming five classes into the summer, just work that was incomplete. A year ago my son had meningitis in February, then got mono in May/June. He had four incompletes. It took him one month to complete the work -- much of it was taking exams he had missed.
 
2008-06-07 02:34:08 PM
ceconix: Maybe someone here knows how that district allocates credits?

I did. All it took was a quick google search of "Woodland High School, California" It's the first hit.

There's a .pdf of the student handbook available online

5 credits is what a student receives for satisfactorily completing one semester of classes. That's how close to she was to graduating. Some part of second semester senior English. Or one essay assignment.
 
2008-06-07 02:35:46 PM
Pandering to the stupid. Eh, who has the energy anymore.
 
2008-06-07 02:36:28 PM
Meet Us at the Stick: classes

dammit.

I meant she gets 5 credits for completing one semester of one class
 
2008-06-07 02:38:08 PM
jshine: AnnoyingKidNextDoor:I truly hope you are being sarcastic. If not, then I truly hope you come down with cancer yourself if you think it is so easy to live a normal life while undergoing treatment after treatment.

Why should one expect that major medical problems would not have any effect on one's life? I had to take a semester off of grad school to have two surgeries (to prevent a nascent cancer from developing), but I didn't biatch and moan for free credit. Although I probably could have made a big stink (like in this story), one doesn't learn jack if the credit is just handed out freely -- and how is that fair to those who actually work (very hard) for it?

/ I guess I could be a semester ahead
// but at least my conscience is clear


I suggest you RTFA. This young woman DID work for her credit, but did not have the time to finish the one class because of your surgeries.
 
2008-06-07 02:41:28 PM
ExJerseyGirl: My point is that she wouldn't be cramming five classes into the summer, just work that was incomplete. A year ago my son had meningitis in February, then got mono in May/June. He had four incompletes. It took him one month to complete the work -- much of it was taking exams he had missed.

That makes MUCH more sense. If they allowed her to finish out the class/classes she was already working on, then yeah, the workload would be doable.

Baron-Harkonnen I would say RTFA, but you did. What's next, C(omprehend)TFA? She doesn't need to complete five classes. Quit harping on that because you're just wrong.

Maybe you should work on comprehension of what I was saying. My original point was that in MY school 5 credits would be 5 classes, and that is significantly different than the 5 credits = 1 semester of a class that this school uses. I have already stated that because of that fact, it changes my opinion. As I stated previously You can EASILY take a summer English class and still walk with your class.
 
2008-06-07 02:43:33 PM
serial_crusher: beachhousemike: Good thing they did, too. The only reason this poor kid didn't have the units is because one asshat teacher would not accommodate. The school district could get the shiat sued out of them for violating Section 504 of the Rehabilitation Act of 1973 (29 U.S.C. Section 794), which prohibits discrimination on the basis of disability and requires access to federally funded programs, including all public schools, for individuals with disabilities. The definition of disability under this federal law is a physical or mental impairment that substantially limits one or more major life activities. This should absolutely have qualified her. For students who are eligible under this law, accommodations must be made to eliminate barriers to their participation in school and school activities for which they would be eligible if they did not have a disability. The district had a duty to craft a specific plan for her to accommodate her disability. They farked up.

They're talking about eliminating actual barriers (like making wheelchair ramps and stuff), not just giving her an A for stuff that she didn't learn.


This is just asinine; they reviewed her work, and decided what she needed to do to graduate. I saw no mention of an "A".
Good for her, sometimes bureaucrats can be reasonable.
 
2008-06-07 02:47:16 PM
CygnusDarius: thelordofcheese: A graduation ceremony was really that important? From a public school in the USA? Wow... I wish that girl would have died of cancer. It seems the experience hasn't taught her about hard work, determination and what's really important. Like we nee another one liike her.
/"You don't know what I've been through!"
//Oh, I know, I just don't care because you're wasting your life
\not saying that fun isn't important
\\just high school

I concur with PortWineBoy...


I disagree with both of you. It's not a troll. It's sincere. We don't need another "entitled" person in this world. Work hard. Suck it up. Builds character.

Airportmatt:
Wow, you're an asshole.

/I hope you die of cancer.


Calling someone an asshole for something you do a second later. Let's think about this...
 
2008-06-07 02:49:01 PM
Even my mom exclaimed curses when I told her about this.
 
2008-06-07 02:50:57 PM
Our local school board forgot who they worked for and decided to let a VERY popular elementary school principal go, in short they decided not to renew his contract. The parents were quite angry over this but the school board REFUSED to even listen to any comments on the subject. WELL, when the recall petitions started to circulate and it looked like they were going to voted out they listened....THEY LISTENED HARD! The principal had his contract renewed and the board has a whole new attitude toward the public.
 
2008-06-07 02:54:24 PM
evilboyevil: Even my mom exclaimed curses when I told her about this.

Was she upset with the idea that they weren't going to let the girl participate in graduation or that they will?
 
2008-06-07 03:11:16 PM
HERO tag for the young lady.

For the Lord of Cheese, there's a special place in Hell, just for you, that's a bit warmer than normal. See you there.
 
2008-06-07 03:16:59 PM
So you get special treatment if you have cancer?

Got it.
 
2008-06-07 03:19:35 PM
I could see them having good reason if the person had multiple classes remaining AND also did not have a good track record of passing classes. Just "following the rules" stupidity. Let the girl walk with her class, don't be all high and might and make her graduate the next year or however it would be handled.

Don't set up rules without also setting up some flexability. How many people are in court every day for speeding tickets with $x fine & x points but get a break for a good driving record etc etc.
 
2008-06-07 03:21:01 PM
aneternalenigma: So you get special treatment if you have cancer?

Got it.


Why yes, you do. You gets lots of special treatment. You get chemo and radiation. Which have horrible side effects.
 
MBK [TotalFark]
2008-06-07 03:33:04 PM
LouDobbsAwaaaay: MBK: I was originally told that I had "Too many English credit hours" and I would have to take another class if I wanted to graduate.

Yes, you read that correctly. I already fulfilled my elective courses, and the required "non-Major" classes (9 hours of Science, 12 hours of History, etc). But, since I took one extra English class, I was told I could not graduate. I would have to either attend summer school or come back in the Fall.

There has got to be more to it than that. What were the additional credits you were told to take supposed to cover?


Nope! We were supposed to have x amount of total credit hours, and I had x+2 (forgot the actual number). I went in to talk to some department head and what she told me was "You are 3 over your allowed English major credits, so those 3 do not count for anything, so in reality, you need 1 more credit hour in order to graduate".

It was a Catch-22 situation. Since I transfered to NIU from Bradley, a few of my English classes didn't count for required credit (for those classes), but they counted for my overall credit hours. So I had to retake classes, just to fulfill requirements of my major. If I didn't retake them, I wouldn't be allowed to graduate due to not fulfilling the reqs. If I had taken them, I wouldn't he allowed to graduate due to too many credit hours!

/is still kinda bitter
 
2008-06-07 03:34:57 PM
Whatthefark: Way to cave into pressure school board.

She's five credits shy of graduation, but hey in the sprit of not hurting her willte feelings, the district caved and decided she could sit with her classmates and graduate as long as she completes one final English paper.

One paper is worth five credits now?


It's HIGH SCHOOL. a year of learning spread out into 4 years of repetition and busywork.
 
2008-06-07 03:39:30 PM
So much trolling, so little intelligence.

It's hasn't been THAT long since I was in high school. I remember my senior English class. One paper could have covered everything we learned the entire year.

But honestly, I missed about 35% of my senior due to illness, and the last two weeks of school I had to write about 5 papers, take 6 huge exams, and do a bunch of busy work to make up for all the work I had missed. If I hadn't done all that in a week and a half, I wouldn't have graduated.

But I didn't have cancer, so I've got nothing to complain about.

/not sarcasm
//enjoy the challenge of a homework decathlon.
 
2008-06-07 03:42:07 PM
Rules dont apply to those who complain, or have a media friendly story.
 
2008-06-07 03:42:44 PM
that's one fine use of Unicode, sir.
 
2008-06-07 03:44:52 PM
thelordofcheese:

CygnusDarius: thelordofcheese: A graduation ceremony was really that important? From a public school in the USA? Wow... I wish that girl would have died of cancer. It seems the experience hasn't taught her about hard work, determination and what's really important. Like we nee another one liike her.
/"You don't know what I've been through!"
//Oh, I know, I just don't care because you're wasting your life
\not saying that fun isn't important
\\just high school

I concur with PortWineBoy...

I disagree with both of you. It's not a troll. It's sincere. We don't need another "entitled" person in this world. Work hard. Suck it up. Builds character.



Hey, douche bag, Ripley's is no doubt on their way to your home at this very instant to document the world's largest douche bag. Be sure to smile pretty for the camera, douche bag.

Did I mention that you're a douche bag, douche bag? Well, douche bag, you are. A douche bag, that is.
 
2008-06-07 03:50:36 PM
Our school had plenty of students (with no excuses... cancer fits as a legitimate reason to be a bit behind on your schoolwork) who were able to walk, even though they had to finish summer school in order to officially graduate. Apparently, having cancer (and taking what will probably amount to a couple weeks of easy summer class) is too much for some Farkers to handle.

Goldeneye007: ours never had the diploma in it, we didn't get ours till 2-3 weeks after the ceremony.

I loved it... we weren't given ours until after the ceremony. We had a little prop to use for our pictures while shaking hands with the admins.
 
2008-06-07 04:07:41 PM
cadpilot:
HERO tag for the young lady.


Hero tag?!?! Hardly! What's heroic about getting cancer? If she CHOSE to get cancer on purpose so someone could do cancer research on her, then sure, that's heroic. But getting sick is nothing heroic. It's just something that happens.

This girl is getting pity charity from everyone, and I find it patronizing and pathetic, a weak empty handed attempt at making themselves feel like good people. Oh no, you got sick, you get to play by different rules now. This is PC run amok, and it's ridiculous.
 
2008-06-07 04:24:33 PM
in 1989 when I graduated you got an empty holder on stage. You didn't get your certificate until you went to the school about 60 days later.

People who didn't attend school all year could walk in, walk across stage, get their empty holder.

I think the stopping her of walking with her class deserved the kick in the nuts, but she did need to take a course to finish, no matter what happened to her.
 
2008-06-07 04:48:13 PM
Hey, idiots:
Did they give her an extension? Yes.
Did she complete her coursework yet? No.

Finish the work FIRST, princess.

/You think I get paid before my work's done?
//Did you get your degree without finishing your work, too?
///farking idiots. Seriously. Work FIRST.
////And hence snowflake...

Oh, in college you can't even graduate (and hence not participate in the ceremony) if you have even $0.25 due at the library. Way to prepare her for real life.
/Really, idiots.
 
2008-06-07 04:48:43 PM
Hobodeluxe: yay!! sometimes life experiences are more educational than summer school.

Sadly, they are taking away this girls life experience.
 
2008-06-07 05:19:46 PM
Why does it take the media to get people to use farking common sense? They should let the girl attend the ceremony, but awarding the actual degree should be given to her upon completing the course. Contrary to popular belief, walking on a stage isn't graduating. I don't see any harm in letting her participate in the ceremony.
 
2008-06-07 05:39:01 PM
Take heart: this free pass will make her that much softer and unprepared for the time she runs into a rule or requirement that won't bend for her. Her crash then will be oh-so-satisfying.
 
2008-06-07 05:41:24 PM
its 5 credits, what's the big deal? Let her graduate. For those of you who dont think she can graduate why dont you come to the hospital I work at and see what these people go through. I think she can miss one course. If she was missing two years that would be a different story. High school diplomas are pretty worthless anyway as far as the job market is concerned
 
2008-06-07 05:41:24 PM
revoltingdevelopment: Take heart: this free pass will make her that much softer and unprepared for the time she runs into a rule or requirement that won't bend for her. Her crash then will be oh-so-satisfying.

I guess you're right. From reading the news articles she seems like a mall kiosk girl anyway.
 
2008-06-07 05:49:15 PM
DubyaHater: its 5 credits, what's the big deal? Let her graduate. For those of you who dont think she can graduate why dont you come to the hospital I work at and see what these people go through. I think she can miss one course. If she was missing two years that would be a different story. High school diplomas are pretty worthless anyway as far as the job market is concerned

How about how my family got together and watched my grandmother die from cancer 2 years back?

You're letting your emotions cloud your judgment. How do we know she's going to even complete the requirements? Now, her mom did say something about simply commemorating her at the commencement, and I'm all on board for that. Let her get on stage for that.
 
2008-06-07 06:20:08 PM
Jolonco: I hate to be a killjoy, but while I sympathize with this poor girl's plight, I realize that a diploma is a standard of education. It does her no service to allow her to graduate if she's not prepared. By all means, let her go through the grad process, stand with her class, announce her name, etc. But the diploma shouldn't come until she's proven that she's worthy of it. If nothing else, for her own sake.

Most -reasonable- people would agree with you. Few people are advocating getting a pass on completing the required coursework.

She only has one opportunity to have a graduation ceremony with her classmates. So she should be given the opportunity to celebrate it with her classmates.
 
2008-06-07 06:43:25 PM
DubyaHater
its 5 credits, what's the big deal? Let her graduate. For those of you who dont think she can graduate why dont you come to the hospital I work at and see what these people go through. I think she can miss one course. If she was missing two years that would be a different story. High school diplomas are pretty worthless anyway as far as the job market is concerned


Ok, 5 credits, let her walk. Two years missed, no walk. Where in between 5 credits and 2 years does your answer change to "no"? Where are you drawing your line?
 
2008-06-07 06:51:44 PM
stonicus:

This girl is getting pity charity from everyone, and I find it patronizing and pathetic, a weak empty handed attempt at making themselves feel like good people. Oh no, you got sick, you get to play by different rules now. This is PC run amok, and it's ridiculous.


As big of a hard-ass schmuck as you're representing yourself to be, to your credit you haven't said she should've died from her cancer because of this. So you've got that on thelordofcheese, at least.
 
2008-06-07 06:51:59 PM
Some Bass Playing Guy: Jolonco: I hate to be a killjoy, but while I sympathize with this poor girl's plight, I realize that a diploma is a standard of education. It does her no service to allow her to graduate if she's not prepared. By all means, let her go through the grad process, stand with her class, announce her name, etc. But the diploma shouldn't come until she's proven that she's worthy of it. If nothing else, for her own sake.

Most -reasonable- people would agree with you. Few people are advocating getting a pass on completing the required coursework.

She only has one opportunity to have a graduation ceremony with her classmates. So she should be given the opportunity to celebrate it with her classmates.


But it's a lie. She's not a graduate. And what if she fails that paper (and I bet there was supposed to be more coursework involved).
 
2008-06-07 07:02:14 PM
DrBenway
As big of a hard-ass schmuck as you're representing yourself to be, to your credit you haven't said she should've died from her cancer because of this. So you've got that on thelordofcheese, at least.


And I also don't call people names or make personal attacks, so I'm above you as well.

I don't want her to die. Not at all. But I also don't want to patronize her and force her to play the role of victim. She wouldn't be getting the same breaks if she was just stupid, a condition she has no say so in (like her cancer). Stupid people can't help it. Hell, they can cure her cancer, stupid people are stupid forever. But noone has a problem telling them to wait till next year to graduate and walk with their class.

I guess my big concern here is emotional knee-jerk reaction people are displaying upon hearing the word "cancer".
 
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