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(Slate)   For those who missed it, one of the few reviews of Drew's book that actually got the message right: Fark founder Drew Curtis flattens the fourth estate, by Jack Shafer   (slate.com) divider line 123
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2008-06-05 12:08:07 PM  
Fapinator: amazing_live_seamonkeys: What in the name of all that's horny is a "doucheknuckle?" Don't get me wrong, it's a good word, it's a funny word, I just can't figure out for the life of me what the referent for this word could possibly be.

Damned if I know.
 
2008-06-05 12:08:17 PM  
FTFA - Instead of urging journalists to raise their standards - the typical tack taken by the press-guardian-industrial complex - Curtis puts the onus on readers, insisting that they become better news consumers.

I can see this. MSM wouldn't try to sell us crap if there weren't anyone to buy the crap.
 
2008-06-05 12:10:04 PM  
amazing_live_seamonkeys: I like the cut of your jib, young feller.

/... newsletter, etc.
 
2008-06-05 12:16:56 PM  
Advert.
 
2008-06-05 12:20:37 PM  
img76.imageshack.us
img76.imageshack.us
 
2008-06-05 12:21:36 PM  
Popcorn. I haz it.

Fire up the "I like where this thread is going" pics.
 
2008-06-05 12:32:41 PM  
For the "shameless self promotion" crowd, I think you've probably never actually run a website or anything else that is expected to run 24/7 and is mostly run on sweat equity rather than money.

It's hard work. More people biatch than praise. Money is hard to come by, and problems are usually either expensive or time consuming to fix.

Throwing up a couple links asking people to support you isn't a big farking deal. It's entirely appropriate. If you don't want to buy it or read it you scroll on by the other 80% of submitted articles you don't bother reading.

It's two links on a page with probably 75 links.

What does bother me though? The "no one cares..." Well, clearly you cared. It raised either enough interest or contempt to bother clicking on the link and then commenting on the link.

I have not read the book. I might get around to it, I might not. My "books to read" list is getting longer and my time is shorter and my reading speed has not increased enough to compensate.
 
2008-06-05 12:39:44 PM  
supremesaltine: Popcorn. I haz it.

Fire up the "I like where this thread is going" pics.


Why not, I've got a new one I've been itchin' to use anyway:

www.maplelawnstudios.com
 
2008-06-05 12:50:30 PM  
Posted Thursday, Oct. 4, 2007, at 6:13 PM ET

hmm
 
2008-06-05 12:51:54 PM  
Feel_the_velvet: 278 pages? I hope there are a lot of pictures and the print is big.

My quotes use only one-syllable words.
 
2008-06-05 12:55:07 PM  
Curtis became a press-taster nonpareil ...

In French 'pareil' means 'similar', so 'nonpareil' means 'dissimilar'. In America this is usually applied to food like capers and berries that may be less expensive unsorted. In this case it means that Drew has made something that is apart from others like it. Why wasn't plain English good enough to express this idea? The writer is too sophisticated for his readers. Maybe he needs more graduate school or something.
 
2008-06-05 12:58:25 PM  
kenchie: Has anyone read the book? Is it any good?!

The best part is where you get too see how cool people like Weaver95 and meekychuppet are. Because they're in there.
 
2008-06-05 01:00:02 PM  
m0llusk: Curtis became a press-taster nonpareil ...

In French 'pareil' means 'similar', so 'nonpareil' means 'dissimilar'. In America this is usually applied to food like capers and berries that may be less expensive unsorted. In this case it means that Drew has made something that is apart from others like it. Why wasn't plain English good enough to express this idea? The writer is too sophisticated for his readers. Maybe he needs more graduate school or something.


Well, he is writing for Slate, so he has to use big words for the hip kids.

However:

Main Entry: non·pa·reil
Pronunciation: \ˌnän-pə-ˈrel\
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English nounparalle, from Middle French nompareil, from non- + pareil equal, from Vulgar Latin *pariculus, from Latin par equal
Date: 15th century

: having no equal


When English borrows words from other languages, it's not always a literal translation. But you already knew that...
 
2008-06-05 01:23:30 PM  
If you think you're cool by making scornful remarks about Drew or his book, you're wrong.

This is Drew's house, you're just a guest. Drew doesn't owe you anything in terms of content. He is not obligated to be "fair and balanced", he's not obligated to greenlight the stories you think are important, he's not obligated to prioritize "real" news over Fark news.

If you're at a party and complain about the booze, you're welcome to leave. Our party here is hosted by Drew. The creator of this site which you enjoy so much also wrote a book; why shouldn't he post about it? Wouldn't you, if you had done something similar?

Also note this: I am not fawning over Drew or butt-kissing. I don't regard him as a celebrity figure like some of you apparently do. Just look at Fark as though it was some middle-aged guy's "wierd stories" Geocity site; what expectation would you have about the content of a site like that? Well, that's Fark. Except Fark is driven by stronger servers and sustains larger-scale traffic. It is not/never was/never pretends to be a peer of CNN or AP or any self-styled "news" company; it is a reflection of the whimsy of its creator, Drew.

Drew's book reads like a series of extended comments one might read on Fark. It doesn't pretend to be authoritative. It's "a guy making intelligent comments on the state of mainstream news", the same as you all do here about various topics. If you're taking it more seriously than that, then that's your problem.

People who are complaining about this kind of self-promotion have completely missed the point, purpose and nature of Fark.com. You are the ones who have elevated Fark in your minds to some place of moral high-ground where you expect balance and objectivity where it doesn't belong. Think of it this way:

It's not news, it's Fark.com.
 
2008-06-05 01:25:04 PM  
Instead of urging journalists to raise their standards-the typical tack taken by the press-guardian-industrial complex-Curtis puts the onus on readers, insisting that they become better news consumers.

I guess I should also become a better health care consumer as well a better gasoline consumer so those two things will not be so farked up as well. It's retarded to suggest that the consumer has any input in the media. The viewer of mass media is far and away the least important part of the mass media. There's plenty of people out there who would watch a better news source but that better source will never become reality because the sponsors won't support such a broadcast. Besides, for people to be a better filter of the news means they have to educate themselves, something that so many people are almost violently opposed to doing.
 
2008-06-05 01:32:08 PM  
Befuddled: Instead of urging journalists to raise their standards-the typical tack taken by the press-guardian-industrial complex-Curtis puts the onus on readers, insisting that they become better news consumers.

I guess I should also become a better health care consumer as well a better gasoline consumer so those two things will not be so farked up as well. It's retarded to suggest that the consumer has any input in the media. The viewer of mass media is far and away the least important part of the mass media. There's plenty of people out there who would watch a better news source but that better source will never become reality because the sponsors won't support such a broadcast. Besides, for people to be a better filter of the news means they have to educate themselves, something that so many people are almost violently opposed to doing.


More like, passively-submissive. Violence suggests pro-activity, as a whole, humans are generally reactive rather than proactive. We are the sponge, the media is the dirty dishwater.
 
2008-06-05 01:32:12 PM  
does the book have foobies?
 
2008-06-05 01:36:02 PM  
Wait a minute...what the fark is this doing back at the top of the page?

/liter
 
2008-06-05 01:36:37 PM  
Drew wrote a book?
 
2008-06-05 01:36:48 PM  
nice self promotion there bumping these 2 "articles" back to the top.


ghey.
 
2008-06-05 01:37:14 PM  
sweet! back at the top!!

cue the racism guy ...
 
2008-06-05 01:37:51 PM  
Drew's always trying to stay on top.
 
2008-06-05 01:37:51 PM  
debug: nice self promotion there bumping these 2 "articles" back to the top.


ghey.


Came here to say this. I was gonna buy it, but after all this schilling, forget it.
 
2008-06-05 01:37:57 PM  
The transformation to a total corporate whore is complete.
 
2008-06-05 01:38:31 PM  
A bunch of people gave it 5 stars on Amazon.
I wonder who their employer is?
 
2008-06-05 01:39:10 PM  
I wouldn't say I missed it, Drew.
 
2008-06-05 01:39:15 PM  
WTF? BUMPED?
 
2008-06-05 01:40:00 PM  
m0llusk: Curtis became a press-taster nonpareil ...

In French 'pareil' means 'similar', so 'nonpareil' means 'dissimilar'. In America this is usually applied to food like capers and berries that may be less expensive unsorted. In this case it means that Drew has made something that is apart from others like it. Why wasn't plain English good enough to express this idea? The writer is too sophisticated for his readers. Maybe he needs more graduate school or something.


That's sort of funny, I always used "nonpareil" as meaning "nothing like it" when I speak French, something I have done since birth.

And it's hardly a rare or vague word for most people that are well-read.

/I must be an anti-anti-intellectual
 
2008-06-05 01:43:40 PM  
Posted Thursday, Oct. 4, 2007, at 6:13 PM ET

Next greenlit article: Curtis Launches FarkTV...sure to be a hit
 
2008-06-05 01:44:09 PM  
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2008-06-05 01:45:09 PM  
What the? No budding!
 
2008-06-05 01:46:39 PM  
elvisbloom debug: nice self promotion there bumping these 2 "articles" back to the top.


ghey.

Came here to say this. I was gonna buy it, but after all this schilling, forget it.


Same here.
 
2008-06-05 01:50:17 PM  
Bring the titties back and I will buy the book... And hell I'm quoted in it...
 
2008-06-05 01:50:52 PM  
img80.imageshack.us

Drew?
 
2008-06-05 01:51:12 PM  
i148.photobucket.com
 
2008-06-05 01:52:01 PM  
Threepete?
 
2008-06-05 01:52:42 PM  
www.ricesigns.com
 
2008-06-05 01:54:09 PM  
Wait, what?? Wasn't this down the page earlier?

For those who are trying to understand this is book terms

farm1.static.flickr.com
 
2008-06-05 01:59:08 PM  
But we already know what fark is, why would we want to buy a book about it?
 
2008-06-05 02:00:11 PM  
elvisbloom: I was gonna buy it, but after all this schilling, forget it.

There is nothing wrong with a little Schilling.

img508.imageshack.us
 
2008-06-05 02:00:43 PM  
TheNewJesus: Bring the titties back and I will buy the book... And hell I'm quoted in it...

what he said.
 
2008-06-05 02:02:11 PM  
This is lame. Seriously.
 
2008-06-05 02:05:41 PM  
These are hard economic times. Fark has to do what it can to survive.
 
2008-06-05 02:09:04 PM  
Githerax: If you think you're cool by making scornful remarks about Drew or his book, you're wrong.

This is Drew's house, you're just a guest. Drew doesn't owe you anything in terms of content. He is not obligated to be "fair and balanced", he's not obligated to greenlight the stories you think are important, he's not obligated to prioritize "real" news over Fark news.

If you're at a party and complain about the booze, you're welcome to leave. Our party here is hosted by Drew. The creator of this site which you enjoy so much also wrote a book; why shouldn't he post about it? Wouldn't you, if you had done something similar?

Also note this: I am not fawning over Drew or butt-kissing. I don't regard him as a celebrity figure like some of you apparently do. Just look at Fark as though it was some middle-aged guy's "wierd stories" Geocity site; what expectation would you have about the content of a site like that? Well, that's Fark. Except Fark is driven by stronger servers and sustains larger-scale traffic. It is not/never was/never pretends to be a peer of CNN or AP or any self-styled "news" company; it is a reflection of the whimsy of its creator, Drew.

Drew's book reads like a series of extended comments one might read on Fark. It doesn't pretend to be authoritative. It's "a guy making intelligent comments on the state of mainstream news", the same as you all do here about various topics. If you're taking it more seriously than that, then that's your problem.

People who are complaining about this kind of self-promotion have completely missed the point, purpose and nature of Fark.com. You are the ones who have elevated Fark in your minds to some place of moral high-ground where you expect balance and objectivity where it doesn't belong. Think of it this way:

It's not news, it's Fark.com.



Oooh... I just threw up in your mouth a little.
 
2008-06-05 02:14:19 PM  
I have the book. Won it as a door prize at a Fark party. Drew even signed it.

I'm so special ;)
 
2008-06-05 02:19:19 PM  
Julieahni: The review is too long. Can someone summarize it for me in an easy-to-swallow manner?

gapyx.com

/obligitory
 
2008-06-05 02:19:49 PM  
I borrowed it from the library, read it, and didn't like it.

I think it's because I'm a big Vonnegut fan and having to read "so it goes" every other paragraph made me want to claw my eyes out.
 
2008-06-05 02:24:29 PM  
Is Drew over his Woody Allen phase yet?
 
2008-06-05 02:35:11 PM  
omg_lol: tweekster
2/10
Lighten up francis.

Yeah, really. When Drew or whatever Mods have kids that come home from school missing teeth because they called an African American used farm equipment, or an Asian a jap, or a Mexican a wetback or any of the other racist bullshiat Fark approves of, they'll remember that it's their fault, and they laughed all the way. Fark them, and I hope it hurts.


Heh, have you really been around for two years just to post things like that on FARK?

Rather than simply berating other FARKers or FARK.com in general, why not try and elevate the discussion a little? IMNSHO, just biatching about something does very little. The fact that you've been around for at least 2 years on FARK would suggest that you actually care a little (or enough to waste your time posting here or even punching in the URL for www.fark.com) about FARK.

Ignore the trolls who piss you off with comments, and just post your own views. Don't feed it by whining about comments and opinions you don't like (unless you really are bucking for a trainwreck thread), just... pick a topic you do like to discuss and write about that.

If someone's posts really piss you off, you can discuss it, or you can start a flame war, or whatever.

I'm not saying you can't be critical of FARK or FARKers, but I don't think it's worth your time to get all upset about dumb people posting dumb shiat on the internet. If someone really annoys you, put them on ignore or something.

I don't agree with all FARKers, but they're not all alike either. I've met plenty of people here who aren't as you would describe the typical FARKer, and I don't think I am necessarily 100% your typical FARKer either.

Give FARK a chance. Not in every thread will hilarity ensue, or informed discussion, or intelligent debate, but they crop up occasionally and you'd be surprised at the good that can come of FARK beyond just jolly japes and lolcats.

If you really hate FARK and FARKers that much, I'm sure there must be other places on the internet more to your liking. But if you're here after two years, I'm assuming that you're still here because you somehow want to make a difference here and perhaps change FARK even a little for "the better" as it were.

And you can, by sticking around and participating. Sitting on the sidelines and biatching about people isn't going to do much. But maybe if you write good, informed, intelligent posts, people who agree with you will laud you, or quote you, or just ditto you. If you're really good, someone might even sponsor you for a month of TotalFARK! ;)

Some might say it's wasted effort on FARK... but I disagree. FARK is what FARKers make of it, and like it or not, your having an account with which to post makes you a FARKer. So you can either deal with the people you don't agree with, and either debate them or ignore them, or you can continue putting on your grumpy face and sit around wasting your life insulting FARK and FARKers.

Not that insulting idiot FARKers isn't fun (I've engaged in it in the past) but I fully admit to it being a purely childish urge, and it can get out of hand and get moderators involved and posts getting deleted, so I don't really recommend it.

I'm still here because regardless of the idiots, there are so many more people who are cool, who I agree with and who write more succinctly and eloquently than I ever could. And I've learned things from FARK and FARKers, from threads, or even just from research I did while putting together a reply to a FARK post I disagreed with.
 
2008-06-05 02:37:25 PM  
from TFA:
Posted Thursday, Oct. 4, 2007, at 6:13 PM ET
 
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