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2002-11-26 08:40:50 PM  
From the desk of Wise guy Sammy:

Religion is always the pretext for war, not the reason.

The winner of a war gets to write history.

The best way to know something about the enemy is to go and live there a few years because its not by hearing propaganda that you can make a opinion.
 
2002-11-26 08:45:24 PM  
Everyone else is convinced that the Bible is about as reliable as Amtrak

LOL

glad to see this forum's devolved into boobies...
 
2002-11-26 08:48:36 PM  
Zkm, atheism isn't a belief, its a lack of belief in a religion. Sorry, I'm sensitive about this particular issue as I'm an atheist and a capitalist, and those crimes were committed in the name of Communism.
 
2002-11-26 08:59:31 PM  
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how . farking . gay .

werd up gee homie faggots looks like you are 2 kewl for ME!!1 ! loL! ooooonts oooooonts TISH ooonts oonts TISH... we be wicky wicky scratching it up in da house with allah

AAAAAAAAAH FAGGOTS EVERYWHERE!
 
2002-11-26 09:00:57 PM  
While yapping away about women's rights on the interweb is admirable, I suspect there won't be any actual improvement unless we stop supporting the regimes that are responsible for perpetrating human rights violations and spreading their ideology to moderate muslims in other countries.

This would require changing foreign policies to focus on democratic values rather than economic gain. Now this is obviously not going to happen, but never the less it remains the solution to this particular problem.

Bottomline: Unless you are willing to suffer the economic consequences of a consistently moral foreign policy, STFU about women's rights in the countries that are supported by western greed.
 
2002-11-26 09:09:34 PM  
That sounds like a challenge! Send me that CD, I'll dance my booty off!
 
2002-11-26 09:12:16 PM  
"They use only two drums and a synthesizer, avoiding dance as well as wind and stringed instruments, which are frowned upon in some Islamic traditions. "

Islam is just screwball, I'mean people knock all religions but Islam is just nuts.
 
2002-11-26 09:14:46 PM  
Quick1 reads BTAF AND he's a bandgeek?

I'm in postpubescent preelegal teen love.
 
2002-11-26 09:22:46 PM  
Just what the world needs. Now, instead of just the regular illiterate non-evolved spewers of ghetto music, we add violent religious fanaticism into the mix. Oh wait, I forgot, it's the religion of peace...Buuwwhwhahhahahahahah.

Go go ghetto mallet!
 
2002-11-26 09:32:26 PM  
 
2002-11-26 09:39:25 PM  
O believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Let them find firmness in you. (Sura: 9, Ayat: 123)

You will be called to fight a mighty nation; fight them until they embrace Islam. (Sura: 48, Ayat: 16)

Then fight and slay the pagans wherever you find them. And seize them, beleaguer them and lie in wait for them, in every stratagem (of war). (Sura: 9, Ayat: 5)

Fight against such of those to whom the Scriptures were given ... and do not embrace the true Faith, until they pay tribute out of hand and are utterly subdued. (Sura: 9, Ayat: 29)

Make war on them until idolatry shall cease and God's religion shall reign supreme (Sura: 8, Ayat: 39)


Religion of peace, hmm?
 
2002-11-26 09:43:12 PM  
Religion of peace, hmm?

Those verses have been taken out of context. After each one of those verses you will find verses that say to only fight in self defense, and to stop fighting when the opposing side stops fighting. I have posted a response to those articles many many times on fark...I'm sick of doing it. Maybe I'll find a generic response and save it in my bookmarks to link it here.
 
2002-11-26 10:09:39 PM  
Ozzieget: I guess the mods don't like the idea of a link that would defuse so many of the misconceptions the trolls here like to bat around... like that would stop the trolls anyway.
 
2002-11-26 10:09:45 PM  
ZkM theres a big difference between killing in the name of atheism and just killing and happening to be one. None of the people you mentioned were killing in the name of atheism, or for atheism.
 
2002-11-26 10:29:44 PM  
Crotchrocket Slim : did you try posting one? I didn't find one yet...I need to talk to some of my friends and see if they know of a good one.
 
2002-11-26 10:43:12 PM  
Ozziegt: I enjoyed reading those links; but I'm reminded of a bad '80's science fiction film's A-Team like protaganists had a motto: "Deeds, Not Words."
 
2002-11-26 10:45:52 PM  
CAPTIAN MORGAN: Allah= Worst God Ever!
Hello!
Allah=God=God
"Allah" means God=same God of Christians and Jews. So when you say you Allah is the worst God ever you are saying "God is the worst God Ever".
 
2002-11-26 10:47:28 PM  
" avoiding dance as well as wind and stringed instruments, which are frowned upon in some Islamic traditions."

They must be a blast live!!! Tha' sittn' down,fundementalist, no bass crew in the hizzass!!

And Ozziegt: You say "Those verses have been taken out of context."

I'm certain that's true. Please get in touch with Osama and tell him that I will not raise a hand against him or his family if he will do the same for me. That way, we can both bask in the glory of the religion of peace and I can stop being scared one of his a-hole minions is going to bomb my kid's daycare because I didn't convert to Islam.

Thanks man.
 
2002-11-26 10:57:15 PM  
Sexytoenails : You aint big in the "sense of humor" department, are you?
 
2002-11-26 10:59:57 PM  
ZKM: " Fanatic muslims are just the ones currently cornering the market on massive acts of violence condoned by moderates of that same idealology."

Well said, Zkm.
 
2002-11-26 11:00:48 PM  
DrLearned: I usually enjoy your posts, but damn man, you can't judge a whole religion by the actions of a few assholes that pervert it just cause they like to blow stuff up. It'd be like saying David Koresh represented all Christians, Rick Kahn represented all Democrats/liberals/leftists, and Dubya represented all Republicans/conservatives/right-wingers. That's just not a very learned thing to do man.
 
2002-11-26 11:01:05 PM  
What, do I smell bad or something? (don't answer that).

I guess I'm the last FARKer here. Don't worry, guys, I'll get the lights.
 
2002-11-26 11:06:06 PM  
I'm still lurking about... though this thread has been dying for a few hours now...
 
2002-11-26 11:20:20 PM  
I'm certain that's true. Please get in touch with Osama and tell him that I will not raise a hand against him or his family if he will do the same for me. That way, we can both bask in the glory of the religion of peace and I can stop being scared one of his a-hole minions is going to bomb my kid's daycare because I didn't convert to Islam.

I wish I could...I honestly really wish I could. The world would be such a better place for Muslims and non-Muslims both.
 
2002-11-26 11:24:06 PM  
Hey, Crotchrocketslim: that's a good point.

What I was really trying to say is that all kinds of people can "take quotes out of context". Including Osama and his ilk.
The problem with fundemental sects of religions is that the interpretation of scripture is up to someone else, and devotees (like Ass-ama) are to then follow those interpretations to the letter.

Therefore, in his view, my children are as much "the great Satan" as Ashcroft or Powell. If the people who were causing all the commotion what with the WTC and suicide bombs and whatnot had to answer to a troubled and outraged moderate body in their own faith, things would not be so goddamn scary right now, as the normal, workaday, moderate Muslim surely outnumbers the wild-eyed zealot 10,000 to 1.

But the moderates aren't raising their voices. This would be like Catholics not responding negatively if the Archbishop of Boston sent trucks full of high explosives into the diamond district in NYC, killed tons of Hasidic Jews, took responsibility, and demanded that all of Hasidm turn Catholic or he'd keep doing it.

I am very disappointed with the rest of Islam over this crap.
 
2002-11-26 11:25:25 PM  
What this thread is dying, I thought it was getting interesting. On the Ironic note, these so called Muslime rappers would be hauled in and shot in there so called Muslime utopia.

Since Music is not allowed in an islamic utopia like the one that was finaced by the Saudi's in Afganistan. But look at the real world, what was the first thing the liberated people of Kabul did. Play music and dance in the streets. Suck it whahibis, when I say suck it I mean the end of an M-16, not my penis. You are not worthy of touching an American Penis.
 
2002-11-26 11:35:31 PM  
DrLearned: oic, sorry, didn't quite read your post closely enough... for a while I was switching between this and that "Canada official resigns after calling Bush a moron" thread... bad idea. Damn that place is a total clusterfark now. Anyway, I agree... the more moderate Muslims aren't doing enough to distance themselves from the assholes.

Rikulrn: "Music is not allowed in an islamic utopia"? The same could be said for a "Christian utopia" too... remember how the Puritans did that very same thing when they set up their little society here in the free world? Again, I refer you to the Fundy Assholes =! The whole religion point I made above... besides, your point pretty much proves that most Muslims would rather be more moderate anyway.
 
2002-11-26 11:46:07 PM  
Hey akeem, where’s my snare fashizzle on my dribl yous to study on my koran.
 
2002-11-26 11:49:18 PM  
DrlearnedOh yah I am, just reading this thread is a joke, I've been laughing ever since. I'm just not big in the "ignorant moron" department. Thanks ;)
 
2002-11-26 11:49:33 PM  
drlearned: What do you expect the more moderate Muslims to do? They've spoken out, but the media coverage of this has been minimal to say the least. I'm kind of at a loss as to what more moderate Muslims should do here.
 
2002-11-27 12:00:45 AM  
"11-26-02 11:49:18 PM Sexytoenails
DrlearnedOh yah I am, just reading this thread is a joke, I've been laughing ever since. I'm just not big in the "ignorant moron" department. Thanks ;)"

Sometimes I get those two departments mixed up. ;-)
Especially when I'm feeling extra correct and above it all.
 
2002-11-27 12:00:50 AM  
Ozziegt
Don't blow anything up
 
2002-11-27 12:01:20 AM  
These moderate Muslims we keep hearing about are the average Muslims. The higher up on the Islamic command chain you get, the more radical and extremist you are. Also, in most of the countries where the terrorists and jihadis tend to come from (Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Yemen, Egypt, Palestine, Jordan, Syria, and Lebanon) their 'moderates' are actually still very radical. The extremist Muslims have taken over the media and the schooling in all of the aforementioned countries and thus have managed to radicalize the entire populace to a certain degree.
 
2002-11-27 12:05:41 AM  
Basically, what happened to Islam is that this Wahhab fellow who was allied to the House of Saud formed their own little version of Islam called Wahhabism, centered it around Saudi Arabia, which later turned out to be the most oil rich country on earth. So later we have the most extremist Muslims around sitting on top of trillions of dollars, so naturally they buy out all the Islamic Universities, build their own radical ones, and form a monopoly on religion in the Arab world.
 
2002-11-27 12:07:38 AM  
And lets not have to remind people here what happens when moderate or liberal Muslims speak out against extremism. Salman Rushdie comes to mind, and the Saudis have been known to assassinate you if you refuse to tow the religious line.
 
2002-11-27 12:15:52 AM  
bbcrackmonkey...interesting thoughts. the first time I've read something about this topic which is thought provoking on fark. :)
 
2002-11-27 12:18:42 AM  
Ozziegt; "I'm kind of at a loss as to what more moderate Muslims should do here."

So am I, Ozziegt. Maybe discussion of this problem and it's possible solution could be a creative, constructive FARK political thread.

However, people may have to stop repeatedly calling Bush a moron and bashing large sectors of the world population to engage their brains. I'm not sure that'll happen.

I am certain that with the approriate effort, ther could be SOME mass Islamic condemnation the pointless and brutal slayings all over the world in the name of Islam. If large-scale media attention were brought to bear on some of the world's more prominent Muslim leaders, and they shared their sadness and outrage over these unjust murders, maybe it would become more difficult to engineer the next terrorist attack, wherever it might happen. I look pretty hard at the news, and have friends in Europe and Africa who tell me that the most sympathetic viewpoint amongst Muslims in their general sphere is " sad for the innocent lives, but they had it coming"

I am pro religious freedom. I do not dislike or distrust Muslims. In fact, I beleive in the creation of a Palestinian state.

I am scared for my family, Ozziegt, due to the cowardly and random nature of terrorism. You seem to have your head on straight and are either Muslim yourself or have deep sympathy, what do we do?
 
2002-11-27 12:23:54 AM  
Shouldest thou help the ungodly, and love them that hate the LORD? therefore is wrath upon thee from before the LORD.--2 Chr.19:2

Thou shalt not bow down to their gods, nor serve them, nor do after their works: but thou shalt utterly overthrow them, and quite break down their images.-- Exodus 23:24

Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death:-- Exodus 31:14

And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If a woman have conceived seed, and born a man child: then she shall be unclean seven days; according to the days of the separation for her infirmity shall she be unclean.
And in the eighth day the flesh of his foreskin shall be circumcised.
And she shall then continue in the blood of her purifying three and thirty days; she shall touch no hallowed thing, nor come into the sanctuary, until the days of her purifying be fulfilled.
But if she bear a maid child, then she shall be unclean two weeks, as in her separation: and she shall continue in the blood of her purifying threescore and six days.
And when the days of her purifying are fulfilled, for a son, or for a daughter, she shall bring a lamb of the first year for a burnt offering, and a young pigeon, or a turtledove, for a sin offering, unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, unto the priest:
Who shall offer it before the LORD, and make an atonement for her; and she shall be cleansed from the issue of her blood. This is the law for her that hath born a male or a female.
And if she be not able to bring a lamb, then she shall bring two turtles, or two young pigeons; the one for the burnt offering, and the other for a sin offering: and the priest shall make an atonement for her, and she shall be clean. -- Leveticus 12:1-8

And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
Speak unto Aaron, saying, Whosoever he be of thy seed in their generations that hath any blemish, let him not approach to offer the bread of his God.
For whatsoever man he be that hath a blemish, he shall not approach: a blind man, or a lame, or he that hath a flat nose, or any thing superfluous,
Or a man that is brokenfooted, or brokenhanded,
Or crookbackt, or a dwarf, or that hath a blemish in his eye, or be scurvy, or scabbed, or hath his stones broken;
No man that hath a blemish of the seed of Aaron the priest shall come nigh to offer the offerings of the LORD made by fire: he hath a blemish; he shall not come nigh to offer the bread of his God.
Only he shall not go in unto the vail, nor come nigh unto the altar, because he hath a blemish; that he profane not my sanctuaries-- Leveticus 16-23

And thy estimation shall be of the male from twenty years old even unto sixty years old, even thy estimation shall be fifty shekels of silver, after the shekel of the sanctuary.
And if it be a female, then thy estimation shall be thirty shekels.
And if it be from five years old even unto twenty years old, then thy estimation shall be of the male twenty shekels, and for the female ten shekels.
And if it be from a month old even unto five years old, then thy estimation shall be of the male five shekels of silver, and for the female thy estimation shall be three shekels of silver.
And if it be from sixty years old and above; if it be a male, then thy estimation shall be fifteen shekels, and for the female ten shekels.-- Leviticus 27:3-7

For more about how much more tolerant Christianity is than Islam, visit http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/
 
2002-11-27 12:44:55 AM  
Kilgore40, Christians are not waging a widespread terroristic holy war against my country as of right now. Please get back to me when they are.

DrLearned, most people living in the Middle East where, as I've said before, the Saudis with their oil money have bought out all the religious schools and scholars, would never condemn these attacks. Look at their media. Look at their sermons they recieve from their (Saudi financed) mosques. Their governments keep them in a state of perpetual brainwash. There's simply no incentive to go against the grain. You can be fired, attacked, tortured, or even killed for speaking out against Islamic radicalism. In Iran there is major pro-western support and there is major criticism of the entire Islamic religion, but what happens to their figureheads? They are thrown in jail. Right now there IS a massive protest against Islamism, not the Islamic terrorism abroad, but the Islamic fascism right at their doorstep. These people have to throw off the shackles of their own tyrants before they can move against the ones bothering us.
 
2002-11-27 12:51:18 AM  
Damn, Got here late! Maybe somebody'll read it.

To be honest, this thread has made me sick... and a little proud. First, the sheer unabashed bigotry that I've read here would rival a KKK meeting. That's not good. We were supposed to be taught to respect people's differing beliefs. We don't have to like them, but since they are held so dear by so many we should respect them. You all talk about this being some "Enlightened Age." If this hatred of other cultures is "enlightenment" you can keep it! Many of you have shown that a belief in a higher power is some flaw, some weakness that you, as an "enlightened being" don't share. Well, I ask you to compare yourself to Native Deen. They have molded their lives around faith. They have the courage to espouse the principles they hold dear, despite overwhelming predjudice. Predjudice from people like you. This see-saw society we all despise is your doing! Those that hate, and those that hate the haters are all blind. YOU are Americas failure. You who wish to wipe the world clean of this "cancer" of Islam, and well, of religion in general. Unaware, of course, that a religion is nothing without people. You say Islam is causing the world's stryfe? People, are causing the world's stryfe! People... like... YOU! Exactly like you, who think like you, and who HATE like you. YOU are the cancer. You just don't have the conviction to do anything about it. You just sit back and blame God. God is just the banner they march under. Without him, they be just as impotent and just as evil as you. Yeah, if you cut religion out of this particular picture, it'd probably stop the violence. Until something else comes along (like Fascism, like Communism, or hell, like Capitalism), that is enough to motivate people to evil they hold in themselves. Do you know why you can't really trace violence to Athiesm? Because it breeds frailty. Whereas say, Islam, breeds dedication. A Suicide-Bomber is just you with conviction. Without conviction, he's just an impotent, cowardice, biggot... like you. So go ahead, and spit your hate, it won't do anything, because thank GOD you're all so damn shallow. I'm glad you all said how you really feel though. The first amendment is working. Hmm, an example of good men, with conviction, working towards a positive goal. Now THAT is refreshing. Maybe the world isn't filled with arrogand, hate filled, bung-holes after all.

-=-Cheers-=-

-And remember, no matter what kind of dick I think you are, God still loves you.
 
2002-11-27 12:51:55 AM  
You seem to have your head on straight and are either Muslim yourself or have deep sympathy, what do we do?

Not much can be done if the media is not willing to provide the coverage. For a while after Sept. 11, people actually wanted to find out more about Islam. At our local mosque we have held several open houses...the first one was a month after sept. 11 and we had great turnout. 6 months later we held another one, and turnout was about 1/10 of the previous open house...that is how forgetful the average American is. It seems that most Americans really aren't interested anymore. They have had their minds set, and I think it would literally take a full blown awareness campaign to get the right message across. Perhaps it's the duty of every Muslim to take part in this, but I think most Muslims themselves probably don't care enough to donate time or money to such a cause. And there aren't many with adequate experience in this area either. The only campaign I have seen is whyislam.org...they actually had billboards up in Atlanta for a while, and maybe in other cities too. Perhaps more time and resources need to be donated to them.

Well, unfortunately I need to get to bed for the evening, and this thread will be dead by the time I wake up. I will check it again tomorrow and post a response if I have time. But I don't think that having any kind of discussion here will be fruitful.
 
2002-11-27 12:56:12 AM  
atompowerd: a little harsh, but you did get some very good points accross. :)
 
2002-11-27 01:05:02 AM  
Ozzietg, the problem with the way Americans see Muslims lies on a few things.

First off, CAIR, and the other Arab/Islamic lobbying groups are all Saudi-puppets and so they tend to be assholes who refuse to condemn terrorists or just tow the Saudi line that there were no Muslims/Arabs involved in 9/11.

Secondly, we're always seeing all this bullshiat on our TV about what Muslims are doing, primarily in the Middle East. The Middle East is just fukked, and like I said before about how they're all brainwashed by their tyrannical gov't controlled media and Saudi funded mosques.
 
2002-11-27 01:06:51 AM  
Oh, yeah, speaking of you Ozzie. I hope you got that I'm very pro Muslim. Somewhere in my anger I may have lost sight of that point. As an addendum, I would like to say that I don't believe that violent religious radicals are inherently evil. I would like to say that they have been led astray by the hatred and fear we all hold in our hearts. They have simply let it overwhelm them, and only through TRUE enlightenment, following a road of acceptance, can they be helped. I think we all must understand that it is the Muslim way to want to extend it's reach, not because of a want to rule, but fundamentally because of a want to help. Just as all true religions want to. Enlightenment can only come with acceptance, because through acceptance we are able to learn from eachother.

-=-Cheers-=-
 
2002-11-27 01:09:30 AM  
Yeah, well I suppose it was a good example of somebody letting his anger get ahold of him. Apparently, righteous indignance is MY banner. I need to do some introspection.
 
2002-11-27 01:11:22 AM  
He says so haughtily in his underwear...
 
2002-11-27 01:12:26 AM  
Oh and another thing about the American psyche. Americans hate hate hate HATE being told what to do or how to think. Wahhabi Islam is one of those versions of Islam where it must propogate and spread itself until everyone is a Muslim. It just can't sit side-by-side with other religions, and so we see a lot of Middle-eastern terrorists blowing shiat up in the name of Islam. Since Islam is a minority religion around here, almost every time we hear something about Islam, its something getting blown up by it.

Its like a Jehovah's Witness knocking on your door and putting a gun to your head. You quickly learn to hate Christianity even if Jehovah's Witnesses don't represent all Christians.
 
2002-11-27 01:18:04 AM  
Glad to know you're informed, fairly moderate, and ultimately constructive in your criticism of the Muslim world Bbcrackmonkey. Now, let's turn those analytical skills on the current crop of Fundies stinking up the US, shall we?
 
2002-11-27 01:21:20 AM  
Crotchrocket Slim, ohhh boy, don't even get me started on them Bible fundamentalists and creationists!!
 
2002-11-27 01:48:18 AM  
Ozziegt: I understand that we as Americans have a pretty short attention span. But that does not mean we are unmovable as a group. Look at women's rights, racial rights, gay rights etc. (before anyone decides I'm an ignorant jackass, I realise that there is a long way to go with these situations, but there HAS been progress since the issues were raised. Women and blacks voting, lesbians with sitcoms, Tom Cruise etc.) In fact, from an institutional and lawmaking standpoint, I challenge anyone to find a more acceptant, open, and lifestyle-tolerant country anywhere on earth. Ever. I know this doesn't play out on the street all the time, but that's because people are quite often assholes on an individual level. This is not unique to the US. (coufrancecough!!)

It takes time and patience to make ANY culture change a paradigm. Mistrust of and discomfort with profound change is part of being alive everywhere on earth. If you don't believe me, try moving your orchid from Maine to Florida or try to be a flamboyantly out gay man in sub-Saharan Africa or try to be a penguin at the North Pole. These things may be workable after a system is figured out, but overnight: disaster. There is hope.

My biggest problem is that I'm not a cynic. Not to be too faggy and poetic, but I am burdened with hope.
 
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