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2008-06-04 06:08:09 PM
captain_heroic44: as well as the damage to infrastructure they forced great heroes like Bill Sherman to do to union territory in the south.

Amen brother! Amen!
 
2008-06-04 06:08:16 PM
Oh BFD. Yes, they did something stupid on the last day of school. Yes, they probably knew better. No, they should not have done that, but for Sven's Sake, its not like they were burning a cross in north MPLS.

Minnesota Twin Cities, please get over this shiat.
 
2008-06-04 06:08:29 PM
captain_heroic44: We made a big mistake in re-admitting the south without significant reparations. Southern states should still be repaying the tab for the destruction slavery wrought, as well as the damage to infrastructure they forced great heroes like Bill Sherman to do to union territory in the south. Then maybe you worthless bunch of treasonous barbarians would learn something about what is and isn't "property."

You're doing a great job trolling the thread so far, but this might be a bit too big of a tell.

Rob
 
2008-06-04 06:09:24 PM
captain_heroic44: Then maybe you worthless bunch of treasonous barbarians would learn something about what is and isn't "property."

Seriously, to whom are you writing? I don't know for sure, but I don't think anyone here owned slaves or fought in the Civil War.

Did you have a bad day at work?
 
2008-06-04 06:09:47 PM
captain_heroic44: Southern states should still be repaying the tab for the destruction slavery wrought, as well as the damage to infrastructure they forced great heroes like Bill Sherman to do to union territory in the south. Then maybe you worthless bunch of treasonous barbarians would learn something about what is and isn't "property."

Wow, are you for real? And actually thinking you have a rational mind?
 
2008-06-04 06:10:37 PM
PredDawg8: HotWingConspiracy: WMD is gonna gitcha = Oh no kill them! = Iraq war

They want to free the slaves = oh no kill them = Civil War

How can I not conclude that southerners really really liked slavery, to the point of killing and dying to keep it going?

Governments are heavily influenced by the wealthy. The wealthy in the South were large plantation owners with slaves. The slaveowners wanted to keep their slaves, so the Southern governments granted their wish. They seceded.

Your average Johnny Reb fighting for the Confederacy was fighting because his homeland was being invaded by a foreign aggressor. Didn't really matter why the states seceded.


Regardless of his reasons for fighting, your average Johnny Reb was:

a) A racist.

b) Supported slavery.

c) Evil.

d) Should, and, maybe, just maybe someday will, have his memory dishonored by having his grave shat upon by a superior yankee gent who sees through all your pathetic rationalizations for defending the greatest blotch on America's history. With any luck, I'll start a movement: "find a confederate grave, and shiat on it. Send a note to the family." Best if done by an African American.
 
2008-06-04 06:11:21 PM
captain_heroic44: PredDawg8: HotWingConspiracy: WMD is gonna gitcha = Oh no kill them! = Iraq war

They want to free the slaves = oh no kill them = Civil War

How can I not conclude that southerners really really liked slavery, to the point of killing and dying to keep it going?

Governments are heavily influenced by the wealthy. The wealthy in the South were large plantation owners with slaves. The slaveowners wanted to keep their slaves, so the Southern governments granted their wish. They seceded.

Your average Johnny Reb fighting for the Confederacy was fighting because his homeland was being invaded by a foreign aggressor. Didn't really matter why the states seceded.

Regardless of his reasons for fighting, your average Johnny Reb was:

a) A racist.

b) Supported slavery.

c) Evil.

d) Should, and, maybe, just maybe someday will, have his memory dishonored by having his grave shat upon by a superior yankee gent who sees through all your pathetic rationalizations for defending the greatest blotch on America's history. With any luck, I'll start a movement: "find a confederate grave, and shiat on it. Send a note to the family." Best if done by an African American.


Then wipe your ass with a Confederate flag!
 
2008-06-04 06:12:28 PM
We have asswipes like them here in east county, putting the confederate flag on their trucks, flying it in front of where they live, wearing t-shirts and hats with the stars and bars on them...



...in Southern California.

/douches
 
2008-06-04 06:13:11 PM
Bill_Wick's_Friend: What's the problem!? He's just celebrating his southern heritage! Some people are soooooo hyper-sensitive!



Yeah, and this is just a Tibetan peace symbol.


www.isdrecords.com
 
2008-06-04 06:13:13 PM
Single White Male: Free speech isn't very free when you get to pick and choose what it is. If these pathetic scum-sucking losers want to waive the traitor's flag, we should respect their right to do so. Hell if you want to waive this flag:



Be my guest. The Constitution guarantees us the right to free speech. The Constitution does not guarantee us the right to not be offended. But hold on a minute, it's not that simple...

what_now: On school grounds? Please google "Bong Hits for Jesus".

First amendment rights on school property are severely curtailed.

The main problem in the Morse v. Frederick case was that the speech in question was seen as advocating drug use. You're thinking about in loco parentis, which is bullshiat.

Speaking of Bullshiat, anyone here who gives a damn about free speech should watch the episode of Penn and Teller's Bullshiat where they cover speech codes and political correctness in American schools.


You win all the internets that exist. Every last one.

/came here to say Penn & Teller
//love that show
 
2008-06-04 06:15:05 PM
We (teh South) definitely have the hottest women, so that trumps everything in my mind.
 
2008-06-04 06:15:22 PM
Ok, someones already probably posted this but here goes:

Causes of the Civil War.

STATES RIGHTS: To have slaves. This was the whole, Missouri Compromise. The population of the North was growing, and soon, slavery would be voted out. Prior to this period, the south had more people,and had elected most of the presidents.


The Compromise of 1850: Entirely to do with how the territory taken from Mexico would be split, Slave/Free.

Founding of the Republican Party: Because the people in the North wanted to end slavery, and had the votes to do it, the Rep. Party was started. Again, anti-slavery. Or at least, the South spreading it beyond its current borders.


Bleeding Kansas: Over the slave issue.

'Economic issues:' This was the one my HS textbook used as a catch-all. The 'economic issues' was the strain that banning slavery would put on the South, now forced to pay wages.

Ok? Civil war, about slavery. North, fighting against it (well, in fairness, to keep the Union together. The Emancipation Proclamation was intended to give the fight a moral issue to rally around.) The South left, and fought a hideously bloody war, to preserve slavery. The poor farmers were bamboozled by the rich plantation owners.

Ok? The Stars and Bars isn't about states rights. It isn't about rebellion. It's about killing hundreds of thousands of people for the right to treat millions more as cattle. Actually, thats not true. If you had a good horse, you wouldn't whip him and beat him to within an inch of his life if he ran off. Slaves were. You wouldn't rape your pigs (well, ok, in SOME places) but raping a slave woman was fine. There is nothing noble or moving about the 'Civil' war. It was a horrible, miserable thing, that was botched begining to end, and the clean up even worse. Stop acting like it's anything else than what it is.
 
2008-06-04 06:16:29 PM
 
2008-06-04 06:16:31 PM
ive seen a lot of comments on freedom of speech (havent had time to read all the comments) but if you think about it minors are not entitled to all the rights that adults are...so most likely that is why the schools can have their own rules when it comes to those issues.
 
2008-06-04 06:16:39 PM
Leonard Washington: //don't like us -- don't visit, and don't try to move here when you retire

We just come down there to visit our tax money.
 
2008-06-04 06:17:07 PM
duckydotel29: We (teh South) definitely have the hottest women, so that trumps everything in my mind.

I like my women with a full set of teeth.
And with the correct number of fingers/toes.
 
2008-06-04 06:17:43 PM
jnj_hill: captain_heroic44: Then maybe you worthless bunch of treasonous barbarians would learn something about what is and isn't "property."

Seriously, to whom are you writing? I don't know for sure, but I don't think anyone here owned slaves or fought in the Civil War.

Did you have a bad day at work?


I'm writing to every beer-gutted wife beater with a stars and bars in his back window who doesn't see what's so wrong with going into a black neighborhood and flying an enormous confederate flag. I'm writing to everyone subhuman who thinks he's fooling anyone when he says flying it in a black neighborhood just celebrates "heritage."

I'm having a great day at work.
 
2008-06-04 06:18:18 PM
samimgreen: Leonard Washington: samimgreen:

Yeah, because Harriet Tubman was trying to get slaves to Canada and not just to the northern United States.

/Perhaps I have learned one or two things, "sir"

you ever notice how she didn't stop in the union states of maryland, delaware, missouri, or kentucky?

Because they were such rockbeds of industrial economic power and very close to headhunters (heh) that might bring renegade slaves back. Gee, I wonder why they didn't keep moving just a little bit farther north.


Cause its too farking cold here, that's why asshat.
 
2008-06-04 06:18:52 PM
keylock71: Now take your punishment like a man and enjoy being associated with the likes of the KKK.

The pic [rainbow Stars & Stripes] you posted...is that the flag to honor the dead gay soldiers of the Confederacy?
 
2008-06-04 06:22:13 PM
glenlive: Ok? Civil war, about slavery. North, fighting against it (well, in fairness, to keep the Union together. The Emancipation Proclamation was intended to give the fight a moral issue to rally around.) The South left, and fought a hideously bloody war, to preserve slavery. The poor farmers were bamboozled by the rich plantation owners.

Ok? The Stars and Bars isn't about states rights. It isn't about rebellion. It's about killing hundreds of thousands of people for the right to treat millions more as cattle. Actually, thats not true. If you had a good horse, you wouldn't whip him and beat him to within an inch of his life if he ran off. Slaves were. You wouldn't rape your pigs (well, ok, in SOME places) but raping a slave woman was fine. There is nothing noble or moving about the 'Civil' war. It was a horrible, miserable thing, that was botched begining to end, and the clean up even worse. Stop acting like it's anything else than what it is.


</thread>

Rob
 
2008-06-04 06:23:34 PM
captain_heroic44:
I'm writing to every beer-gutted wife beater with a stars and bars in his back window who doesn't see what's so wrong with going into a black neighborhood and flying an enormous confederate flag. I'm writing to everyone subhuman who thinks he's fooling anyone when he says flying it in a black neighborhood just celebrates "heritage."

I'm having a great day at work.


you might want to travel on over to free-republic then...
 
2008-06-04 06:23:52 PM
trappedspirit: PascalsGhost: trappedspirit: whconner4: Losing, for you rubetards, means surrendering to your enemy. (new window)

Simply enough? You lost. Game over. Your economy was and is still ruined, you never rose again and you never will, you are the butt of jokes around the world - sorry. Show me I am wrong.

And you wonder how the northerners get the reputation they have

What? The reputation as victors?

Oh, my word, no. Not that reputation. I'm talking about present day, as in there are no victors of the war alive nor losers. I'm talking about the reputation for being pricks.


I can't help it if the stereotype of southerns tend to often fit. Pull your inbred hick asses into the 21st century and people will stop looking down at you.
 
2008-06-04 06:23:56 PM
what_now: Waving a confederate flag in Minnesota is like pissing on the graves of the dead Union soldiers from that state. It should be dealt with like someone who defaces the Vietnam Memorial.

Minnesota provided a large number of units in the American Civil War proportionate to its small population of approximately 170,000 in 1861-1865, with some 26,717 state volunteers being recorded, although a number of those are individuals who reenlisted in other units. (new window)

* 1st Minnesota Volunteer Infantry Regiment
* 2nd Minnesota Volunteer Infantry Regiment
* 3rd Minnesota Volunteer Infantry Regiment
* 4th Minnesota Volunteer Infantry Regiment
* 5th Minnesota Volunteer Infantry Regiment
* 6th Minnesota Volunteer Infantry Regiment
* 7th Minnesota Volunteer Infantry Regiment
* 8th Minnesota Volunteer Infantry Regiment
* 9th Minnesota Volunteer Infantry Regiment
* 10th Minnesota Volunteer Infantry Regiment
* 11th Minnesota Volunteer Infantry Regiment

* 1st Minnesota Volunteer Cavalry Regiment - The "Mounted Rangers"
* 2nd Minnesota Volunteer Cavalry Regiment
* Brackett's Battalion, Minnesota Volunteer Cavalry
* Hatch's Battalion, Minnesota Volunteer Cavalry
* Minnesota Light Cavalry

* 1st Minnesota Heavy Artillery Regiment
* 1st Minnesota Light Artillery Battery
* 2nd Minnesota Light Artillery Battery
* 3rd Minnesota Light Artillery Battery

Sounds like a group of young people need to do some extensive research projects over the summer in order to be readmitted to school.
 
2008-06-04 06:25:14 PM
I think we can all agree that slavery is wrong.

Shocker: Yes, it still occurs in today's world.

At what point, however, will FARKers understand that the North had been benefiting from the South's "cheap labor," since colonial times? It was Northern, and oversea money that drove our economy. Although "lines were drawn" according to free vs. slave states, this was a war/power struggle between two distinct geographical/financial (and industrial vs. agricultural) regions, NOT about slavery.

The South lost. Okay.... let's move on into the "Reconstruction Era."

Exactly who do you think was running the show during those years? If you guess Yamkees, you'd be right. Who then, exactly who was it that kept my Southern brothers, black and white,under their boot?

If you guessed Yankees, again, you'd be right.

/share-croppers son
//get off my Mason-Dixon lawn
 
2008-06-04 06:26:53 PM
Really sad.

I don't doubt that the students were only trying to cause problems, but even if they had been serious, the flag would not have been displayed.

The Civil War was an important time of our nation's growth, yet people still want to pretend it wasn't as bad as we all know it is. They hide the flags and truth so they don't have to reconcile WHY the war happened with the trendy anti-racism in this country.
 
2008-06-04 06:27:40 PM
cmoreland

"Pick any kid off the street in Japan and draw him a picture of Texas in the dirt, and he'll know what it is." ...

that's because it's in the dirt.
 
2008-06-04 06:28:19 PM
Richard Saunders: Exactly who do you think was running the show during those years? If you guess Yamkees, you'd be right. Who then, exactly who was it that kept my Southern brothers, black and white,under their boot?

There was a reason for that, the south proved themselves to be incapable of fixing their shiat. They wanted to act like children and the adults had to put a smackdown on them...again.
 
2008-06-04 06:28:35 PM
Leonard Washington: tweekster:

Now who got their ass kicked again?


The South.

i67.photobucket.com

Traitors, Losers, and Surrender Monkeys.
 
2008-06-04 06:29:45 PM
Leonard Washington: you might want to travel on over to free-republic then...

You would think those people who claim to epitomize American patriotism would not be interesting in promoting symbols of its treasonous rebellion, any more than they would express approval of Timothy McVeigh or John Walker Lindh. You would think this to be a 'no-brainer.' You would think.
 
2008-06-04 06:30:03 PM
www.vg.no

No free speech in USA? Yeah the great land of freedom fails.
 
2008-06-04 06:30:10 PM
Richard Saunders: I think we can all agree that slavery is wrong.

Shocker: Yes, it still occurs in today's world.

At what point, however, will FARKers understand that the North had been benefiting from the South's "cheap labor," since colonial times? It was Northern, and oversea money that drove our economy. Although "lines were drawn" according to free vs. slave states, this was a war/power struggle between two distinct geographical/financial (and industrial vs. agricultural) regions, NOT about slavery.


It also was about slavery. Very much about it. It is a complex issue, but to say it was not at all about slavery is retarded.

The South lost. Okay.... let's move on into the "Reconstruction Era."

Exactly who do you think was running the show during those years? If you guess Yamkees, you'd be right. Who then, exactly who was it that kept my Southern brothers, black and white,under their boot?

If you guessed Yankees, again, you'd be right.


No. We left after we pulled your candy asses up for a while and then you proceeded to treat blacks as inferior non-humans as best you could and stay within the Federal laws. Your history is disgraceful. Deal with it. You have a disgraceful racist history.
 
2008-06-04 06:30:26 PM
Richard Saunders: At what point, however, will FARKers understand that the North had been benefiting from the South's "cheap labor," since colonial times? It was Northern, and oversea money that drove our economy. Although "lines were drawn" according to free vs. slave states, this was a war/power struggle between two distinct geographical/financial (and industrial vs. agricultural) regions, NOT about slavery.

Sorry moron, read the articles of session.

OBJECTIVE FACT: it was about slavery.

Now deal with it.

Exactly who do you think was running the show during those years? If you guess Yamkees, you'd be right. Who then, exactly who was it that kept my Southern brothers, black and white,under their boot?

If you guessed Yankees, again, you'd be right.


Yeah. And?
 
2008-06-04 06:30:42 PM
Jaromir: cmoreland

"Pick any kid off the street in Japan and draw him a picture of Texas in the dirt, and he'll know what it is." ...

that's because it's in the dirt.


What isn't?
 
2008-06-04 06:32:09 PM
Richard Saunders: I think we can all agree that slavery is wrong.

Shocker: Yes, it still occurs in today's world.

At what point, however, will FARKers understand that the North had been benefiting from the South's "cheap labor," since colonial times? It was Northern, and oversea money that drove our economy. Although "lines were drawn" according to free vs. slave states, this was a war/power struggle between two distinct geographical/financial (and industrial vs. agricultural) regions, NOT about slavery.

The South lost. Okay.... let's move on into the "Reconstruction Era."

Exactly who do you think was running the show during those years? If you guess Yamkees, you'd be right. Who then, exactly who was it that kept my Southern brothers, black and white,under their boot?

If you guessed Yankees, again, you'd be right.

/share-croppers son
//get off my Mason-Dixon lawn


Jim Crow was the south's successful effort to keep blacks down after the Civil War.

Unfortunately, the north didn't do enough to keep southern whites down. Generally, the effort should have been made to reverse the racial polarity in the south, so that blacks would be socially superior and empowered, and descendants of slave owners, confederate soldiers, and those who failed to rebel against the CSA, would be socially disempowered, marginalized, and subjugated. Then, some semblance of social justice would have been achieved.
 
2008-06-04 06:33:33 PM
Richard Saunders: Who then, exactly who was it that kept my Southern brothers, black and white,under their boot?

You're over 150 years old?

If not, you're only pretending these people, that are long separated from you, have any connection other than being born within an arbitrary and imaginary 3D space of a 4D universe.
 
2008-06-04 06:33:47 PM
cmoreland: I don't understand people talking trash on Texas.

"Pick any kid off the street in Japan and draw him a picture of Texas in the dirt, and he'll know what it is. What happens if I show you a picture of any other state?"


There is a reason he will recognize Texas. It is the butt of so many jokes, even worldwide.

Recognition and respect are two different things. That kid doesn't have the latter.
 
2008-06-04 06:35:56 PM
PascalsGhost:
No. We left after we pulled your candy asses up for a while and then you proceeded to treat blacks as inferior non-humans as best you could and stay within the Federal laws. Your history is disgraceful. Deal with it. You have a disgraceful racist history.


You have a disgraceful racist history. This whole damn country does. People like you always act like the North was this rosy place with butterflies and gingerbread houses. The Civil War did not whipe clean the sins of your past. Hell, the sins of your post-Civil War era were pretty ugly by themselves.
 
2008-06-04 06:37:01 PM
PascalsGhost: Richard Saunders: I think we can all agree that slavery is wrong.

Shocker: Yes, it still occurs in today's world.

At what point, however, will FARKers understand that the North had been benefiting from the South's "cheap labor," since colonial times? It was Northern, and oversea money that drove our economy. Although "lines were drawn" according to free vs. slave states, this was a war/power struggle between two distinct geographical/financial (and industrial vs. agricultural) regions, NOT about slavery.

It also was about slavery. Very much about it. It is a complex issue, but to say it was not at all about slavery is retarded.

The South lost. Okay.... let's move on into the "Reconstruction Era."

Exactly who do you think was running the show during those years? If you guess Yamkees, you'd be right. Who then, exactly who was it that kept my Southern brothers, black and white,under their boot?

If you guessed Yankees, again, you'd be right.

No. We left after we pulled your candy asses up for a while and then you proceeded to treat blacks as inferior non-humans as best you could and stay within the Federal laws. Your history is disgraceful. Deal with it. You have a disgraceful racist history.


Well said. Tragically, their history is a part of our history. The difference is, we recognize the parts they celebrate as shameful.

Which is why we're good and they're evil.
 
2008-06-04 06:37:14 PM
tweekster:
There was a reason for that, the south proved themselves to be incapable of fixing their shiat. They wanted to act like children and the adults had to put a smackdown on them...again.

I see numerous people who still think the Civil War was started to free slaves. That's the candy version to make us feel good and lessen the guilt that we are taught to have since childhood.

The war started because states seceded from the Union. That's it. The South felt that the state should enjoy greater power (including deciding about slavery amongst other issues) while the Union wanted a strong federal government.

The North did not even free the slaves for a few more years, and when they did, it was a strategic move. The Northern generals knew that the South had a large dependence on slave labor to make the necessary war material. By freeing the slaves, they hurt the Southern economy, provided the South with more security issues from fleeing and violent slaves, and provided the Northern troops and civilian population with a much needed morale boost following the first years of the war.
 
2008-06-04 06:40:11 PM
It's kind of funny how many people here are bashing the Confederate soldiers because they were traitors. In truth, they'd have been as much traitors to their home states if they had joined the Union army instead. It's really easy to demonize people who are in a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation.

Fun fact: Until the Civil War, the United States was always referred to in the plural form.

Rob
 
2008-06-04 06:40:44 PM
So it's a crime to show the colors of the CSA? Will I get in trouble if I wave a British flag? or is one more PC than the other?

I used to see those flags everywhere including in California.

People need to stop being so outraged and thin skinned. The war's farking over.
 
2008-06-04 06:41:14 PM
Pluvius: It's kind of funny how many people here are bashing the Confederate soldiers because they were traitors. In truth, they'd have been as much traitors to their home states if they had joined the Union army instead. It's really easy to demonize people who are in a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation.

Fun fact: Until the Civil War, the United States was always referred to in the plural form.

Rob


You can't be a "traitor" to an administrative unit. You can only be a traitor to a sovereign nation, numbnuts.
 
2008-06-04 06:41:29 PM
tweekster: cmoreland: I don't understand people talking trash on Texas.

"Pick any kid off the street in Japan and draw him a picture of Texas in the dirt, and he'll know what it is. What happens if I show you a picture of any other state?"

There is a reason he will recognize Texas. It is the butt of so many jokes, even worldwide.

Recognition and respect are two different things. That kid doesn't have the latter.


whatever helps you sleep at night, wisconsin.
 
2008-06-04 06:41:54 PM
captain_heroic44:

Regardless of his reasons for fighting, your average Johnny Reb soldier on either side was:

a) A racist.

b) Supported slavery.

c) Evil. Doing what they believed was right

d) Should, and, maybe, just maybe someday will, have his memory dishonored by having his grave shat upon by a superior yankee gent who sees through all your pathetic rationalizations for defending the greatest blotch on America's history. With any luck, I'll start a movement: "find a confederate grave, and shiat on it. Send a note to the family." Best if done by an African American.Not disgraced by the likes of prejudicial bigots that stereotype others into a comfortable, and thereby popularly, attacked group.

/grow up; think for yourself
 
2008-06-04 06:42:23 PM
Ditto: PascalsGhost:
No. We left after we pulled your candy asses up for a while and then you proceeded to treat blacks as inferior non-humans as best you could and stay within the Federal laws. Your history is disgraceful. Deal with it. You have a disgraceful racist history.

You have a disgraceful racist history. This whole damn country does. People like you always act like the North was this rosy place with butterflies and gingerbread houses. The Civil War did not whipe clean the sins of your past. Hell, the sins of your post-Civil War era were pretty ugly by themselves.


And we are ashamed of it, we don't pride ourselves on it. But if you are trying to compare Northern racism with Southern racism, you are out of your mind. You had fukking Governors blocking forced integration within 40 years. Once again, the adults in the rest of the country had to force it on your racist asses. Shameful history. And you dickheads wtill fly your traitor rag like a medal. Know why? because youa re stupid on top of racist. fark the south.
 
2008-06-04 06:44:33 PM
jpbreon:
I see numerous people who still think the Civil War was started to free slaves. That's the candy version to make us feel good and lessen the guilt that we are taught to have since childhood.

The war started because states seceded from the Union. That's it. The South felt that the state should enjoy greater power (including deciding about slavery amongst other issues) while the Union wanted a strong federal government.

The North did not even free the slaves for a few more years, and when they did, it was a strategic move. The Northern generals knew that the South had a large dependence on slave labor to make the necessary war material. By freeing the slaves, they hurt the Southern economy, provided the South with more security issues from fleeing and violent slaves, and provided the Northern troops and civilian population with a much needed morale boost following the first years of the war.



The war was started for slavery. They seceded in order to maintain slavery for themselves and the new states expanding in the west. The south fired the first shot, not the north.

The war was started by the south over slavery.
 
2008-06-04 06:44:49 PM
one more for good measure.
farm3.static.flickr.com
 
2008-06-04 06:44:59 PM
captain_heroic44:

Regardless of his reasons for fighting, your average Johnny Reb soldier on either side was:

a) A racist.

b) Supported slavery.

c) Evil.
Doing what they believed was right

d) Should, and, maybe, just maybe someday will, have his memory dishonored by having his grave shat upon by a superior yankee gent who sees through all your pathetic rationalizations for defending the greatest blotch on America's history. With any luck, I'll start a movement: "find a confederate grave, and shiat on it. Send a note to the family." Best if done by an African American.
not be disgraced by the likes of prejudicial bigots that stereotype others into a comfortable, and thereby popularly, attacked group.

/grow up; think for yourself
//my italics suck
 
2008-06-04 06:46:10 PM
someone pass the popcorn--this thread is delicious!
 
2008-06-04 06:46:16 PM
Richard Saunders: At what point, however, will FARKers understand that the North had been benefiting from the South's "cheap labor," since colonial times? It


Just because they benefited from it doesn't mean they liked it. If I were alive and living in the North at that time you could ask me if I benefited from slave labor and I might say that I do becuase my cotton blanket cost me a dime. I might also add that I would be willing to pay a quarter to have it made by a free man who was treated decently...
 
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