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2002-11-26 08:54:21 AM  
I couldn't follow your first sentence or two SpaceCoyote...

From a PC users point of view (ok, maybe just my own), one mouse button is stupid. The argument is not that Apple users are stupid, but the machine that includes a mouse with only one button is. Sure, you can buy another mouse, but why would that have to be 'additional' for a machine touted as 'better'? I also fail to see how an OS that is trumpeted as 'intuitive' can require using the apple or control keys with the mouse button to do some functions (or use the menu at the top of the window, granted). Right click, do it on a PC with the included mouse (well, some things anyway).
2002-11-26 08:56:26 AM  
PC games are MUCH different than console games. I play both and I won't be switching until Mac becomes a viable game platform. It's that simple.

We have macs here in the office and the art department of the university I work at and they have problems just like any PC. If anything, the problems are harder to solve. Apple's support is terrible. For different tech issues they've actually told us, "we know it's a problem, you'll have to wait (now upgrade) for OSX".

The whole "Mac's are easier and better" tagline is a bunch of bull, it's just marketing.
2002-11-26 09:04:39 AM  
Was Will on 'cold medication,' too?
2002-11-26 09:06:34 AM  
I'll stick with my Commodore 64, ya bunch of whining pansies...
2002-11-26 09:07:04 AM  
First: Jesus Tap-Dancing Christ, why is Will Ferrell so damn funny.

Second: Aside from the Will Ferrell spots, the switch adds are so retarded, I'm surprised any of you could stand to affiliate yourselves with them by saying you actually own a Mac.

Third: More cowbell.
2002-11-26 09:09:35 AM  
Who needs PS2 when can have this!!!!
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2002-11-26 09:15:04 AM  
Ha ha, it may be a bunch of bull, but it has worked well for them. :-) Personally, I like both PC's and Macs for different reasons. I'm equally comfortable with both. However, as a person who's used a Mac since about the age of five, (Apple //e) I default to Mac for most of my work. While the Windows interface is more user-friendly than it used to be, I just can't get over the "Fisher Price" look of XP.

I suppose if I were more into gaming than I am, I might be more for the pc platform, but the real truth of it is, I like so few games out there, that the lack of games isn't a real drawback. Give me a nice sized hard drive, a good processor, a fast connection, and a reasonably fast cd burner, and I'm in filesharing heaven

I need to go to bed, must sleep soon!
2002-11-26 09:16:06 AM  
Signs you may be a nerd.

1)arguing about best cast members of ANY show
2)arguing about the best computers or operating system
3)arguing on the internet when you know damn well you'd be too chicken shiat to have a 'confrontation' in the real world.

This thread sounds like a discussion between Homer's roommates on the episode where he went to college.

4)making reference to a specific Simpsons episode in any conversation.
2002-11-26 09:21:00 AM  
Oh I get it Donkster, so computer companies aren't allowed to advertise to the average user at their own level about how they made computers easy, no, they can only advertise to you and your self-proclaimed elite brethren because anything else would 'suck'. Of course the 'idiots' in these commercials are professionals who do things you could hardly comprehend. The ultimate hypocrisy is you are all idiots too, you're just crowing because computers are one of the things you decided to learn. Then you go and have someone else cook your food, build your house, bind your books, manufacture your household items, build your car, provide your entertainment, set up your running water and electricity, dispose of your garbage, represent you in court, etc.etc.etc., so shut the fark up already you self-righteous assholes. You know computers, so do I, here's a cookie. Most people don't care, they are busy learning other things you don't know.
2002-11-26 09:22:01 AM  
Has anyone seen the tits on that SBbGirl in the ad?

I mean seriously.
2002-11-26 09:24:02 AM  
Lukin, yes! I can't find her profile on SBb though....
2002-11-26 09:32:55 AM  
11-26-02 05:05:14 AM Inaditch
I like Windows because, in my current situation, I can get paid a lot more to know Windows than I can any other OS. That's enough for me.

That's because there is a whole self serving industry of people out there who are responsible for fixing hardware/software issues on wintel boxes while at the same time are responsible for purchasing descisions. It kinda goes like this: Joe:"hey fred, you ever think about getting a couple of Xserves? (Apple servers)" Fred:"bite your tounge, do you want us out of a job??!?"

I know this IT guy at a major universtiy. He is responsible for maintaining a couple of thousand Macs and Apple servers.
They have him do busywork all day because these things run them selves. Once in a while, a student will really screw something up like cram a zip disk in the wrong way and he has something to do for like 10 minutes. In the next building containing mostly wintel, a staff of 6 is on their toes keeping those things running. These guys are absolutely irreplacable. The staff in that building is completely at their mercy. They are constantly to the rescue. "Better keep these guys well paid and happy, because we'd be lost without them."

This country would save enough to pay down the national debt if we'd all use Macs.

When it comes the the mouse issue, Apple, for better or worse, sells there computers their way or the highway. There are however hundreds of choices from third party companies to fill in the gaps.
2002-11-26 09:34:50 AM  
Both Will and Macs suck canal water up thier collective asses. fark it...
2002-11-26 09:36:36 AM  

Funny thing is... step 15 feet away from whatever the hell it is you've got sitting at your desk (and trust me when I say nobody GENUINELY cares,) and you'll find that everyone... SOMEHOW... could not care less about what amounts to be a pointless debate.

Please, I'm sure all of your respective OS's are god and the entire world just needs to figure that out (like your superior mind already has!,) but flaming what you think is your opponent is not only boring, but makes you come off as a jerkoff as well.
2002-11-26 09:37:45 AM  
the funniest "switch" spoof is the one about the "bluescreen of death". 'remix' like. the guy talks about windows blue screens but the ads is continually interupted by apple error windows that keep popping up. pretty funny.
2002-11-26 09:38:28 AM  
Fappity fappity FAP FAP FAP
2002-11-26 09:38:50 AM  
Thray - Oh I get it Donkster, so computer companies aren't allowed to advertise to the average user at their own level about how they made computers easy, no, they can only advertise to you and your self-proclaimed elite brethren because anything else would 'suck'.

The people in the spots aren't programming their own applications, or putting their company's inventory database online... They're hooking up digital cameras, or trying to save their term papers. If you consider that "leet," then you should stick with your Mac, and I've probably got some AOL CD's around here somewhere if you want 'em.
2002-11-26 09:40:07 AM  
Zaphod42 "This country would save enough to pay down the national debt if we'd all use Macs."

I would LOVE to see your TCO breakdown for this, as I seriously doubt it. Perhaps if we moved to freeware systems like linux, et al.....
2002-11-26 09:40:38 AM  
How about the clown who'd daughter can't print? WTF is he gutting system cards for? DRIVERS jackass! IS IT PLUGGED IN Mr. Moron? You NEED a MAC, try downloading a clue bubba...
2002-11-26 09:42:46 AM  

Do you have a link? :)


The thing about mice is most PC users don't even know what right clicking is. I work with them over the phone, "No, the other button, the right mouse button...other right." Response "Oh will you look at that!!! I never knew what that was for. *promptly forgets about it*" So the question now becomes when most people only ever care to use one mouse button, why should Apple bother including more by default? (i know you weren't saying so, just making the point)
2002-11-26 09:47:31 AM  
Arguing about your personal choice of computer and subsequent OS?!? Hmmmm, sounds like a conversation that should be occurring on a short yellow bus. Why does it matter to anyone? I happen to use XP Pro but only because that is all that I know and what I have a comfort level with. MAC may be easier but I am resistant to change and I'll stick with the known entitiy rather than switch. Now I think it is funny that the Windows bigots are in here biatching to the MAC bigots like they are going to actually convert someone...either way. Just use what you use and leave it at that. Is it a pickup line you would use at a bar? "Hi, I'm using Win XP Pro on my home PC and I just downloaded my 300th security patch."

2002-11-26 09:51:00 AM  
Hi everyone, I'm a computer geek and a PC/Windows user since 1990 (I'm typing this on Mozilla on WinXP) and a proud Mac owner since 1997.

I don't usually join flamewars because it's a pain in the ass to deal with and everyone is stubborn so it doesn't matter what any of us say. I just wanted to clear some things up, though.

Computer expense:
We have 2 $600 WinXP boxes here with AMD processors (XP1400+) and that's all fine and dandy, I won't touch on the non-working floppy or cd-rom drive that works for only 30 minutes or so after I reboot on my box, or the shared video memory that makes my screen redraw like a flipbook under a strobe light. But I will mention that hardware downtime has cost us probably 10+ man hours on each box because of Windows problems or hardware shoddiness (you get what you pay for) or other various reasons. That's an additional $250 tacked onto the cost of each box, not to mention that if I want to fix my floppy, cd-rom, and video problems I'm talking another $200, and I can only hope the second machine doesn't end up like mine.
My iBook cost me $1100 new, and that's with DVD-ROM, 384MB (PC had 256, btw) and was Airport enabled. That alone is a huge benefit. Anyway, I'm using MacOSX and I never see downtime unless I forget to plug the machine in before the battery runs down while in sleep mode. And even then, it takes a whole minute to plug the thing in. For a laptop, I would say that 30-40 day uptime at one go isn't bad at all. And the whole machine works, and works well.

To extend the expense issue a bit, I bought a Beige G3 when they were still being produced, before the Smurf G3s were out, and I paid only $1299 for the low end model... in early 1998. That machine still serves me very, very well. I use it as much, if not more than, my laptop when I am at home, and it runs OS X just fine, making it rock solid (and no downtime is a big deal). Plus my CD-R that I bought even before that is still supported under OS X, which means I don't have to run out and buy upgrades. You often will not find a PC from 1998 (let alone a model that was actually introduced in 97) that is running up to date software and holding its own 4-5 years after introduction.

Sure, the AMD XP1400+ isn't a bad processor by any means. I'm a code monkey, it doesn't matter what processor I have because I spend most of the day typing. I do know that when I get more than a dozen apps/windows/browser windows open that the machine starts to crawl, but that's a memory issue anyway. This machine feels no faster to me on a daily basis than my stepbrother's 900MHz Athlon, and feels no slower than the XP1800+ we have in the other room.
The iBook is a G3 at 600MHz. A mobile G3 at 600MHz. And you know what? It doesn't buckle under stress. I can multi-task efficiently and feel like I accomplish more on that machine with a slower processor than I do on this winxp machine. I can do my development and design work on the iBook just fine while still playing music and whatnot. The machine holds its weight.

WindowsXP is a candy-colored updated version of WinNT/2000. That's a well-known fact though. Yes, there are millions of programs available, but they all seem to suck. I haven't found an FTP program I can use reliably and feel inclined to use Windows Explorer more than anything. Meanwhile, Fetch and Transmit are both very good, and I can always rely on the commandline FTP program in OS X if I have to (and usually do). Plus FTP disk action in OS X works pretty well, mounting the directory like a local drive, similar to what Win Explorer does but better. Editplus is an okay code editor for Windows, but it's still lacking. BBEdit for Mac lays the smack down on anything out there as far as code editors go. I'm overjoyed that I can use kazaa lite here to waste my company's bandwidth, since that isn't available for the Mac, but I generally get by with KDX, Hotline, and Carracho, with Neo around if I need to access kazaa servers at all. A great thing to is being able to develop web apps and run them locally on the Mac without worrying about some unholy marriage of free software with IIS. Apache and PHP and Perl are already installed on the iBook and work straightaway. I can compile MySQL or Postgres or anything else I'd feel like adding quite simply, or just go out and download a graphical installer for most of those.

I bought two Logitech optical USB mice for my desktop and laptop computers and they were fully supported out of the box without -any- drivers. I have yet to encounter a digital camera that iPhoto has an issue with. Not only did my printer show up on my desktop machine without having to install software, but after I turned on printer sharing (clicking one checkbox in, aptly enough, 'sharing' system preferences) it showed up on my iBook without any configuration or installation -at-all-. Windows is getting better but you still often need drivers or software for this or that and you might not have the newest and aAAUUUUUUUUGH such a nightmare.

I use my GameCube for games, and quite often play games against/with other people except they are in the same room, and we all have a lot of fun and don't have to take time to type messages to each other, when a well-placed smack upside the head makes up for an embarassing loss in Super Smash Bros Melee.

In closing, I call your bluff and fuel your flamewar. If you want to reply to me in an insulting and/or non-intelligent manner, feel free to write your concerns on a 3x5 card and stick it up your ass. =)
2002-11-26 10:06:31 AM  
I am trying to cut back on my internet porn viewing.

The SbB ad is NOT HELPING!!!$@!@%^

Could changing operating systems help me with this problem (see, I'm on topic)?
2002-11-26 10:06:32 AM  
Will Farrell is great....... the only real talent to come out of SNL in a long, long time.
2002-11-26 10:06:36 AM  
Ranold---thats my exact setup
2002-11-26 10:07:51 AM  
The only thing funnier than PC people bashing Macs as "toys" is the Mac people trying to convince all the PC people that "they have lives".
2002-11-26 10:09:12 AM  

I wasn't turning the 'leet' phrase, and you're only furthering my point. You consider yourself above these people (i.e. elite, see?) because what you find simple, they do not understand. What's self-righteous and hypocritcal about this is they do things you cannot, understand things you do not, and find simple things which would perplex or bore you no doubt. Then you go on to ad hominem my argument with 'stupid Mac/AOL people' when in fact I have programmed my own applications and, no joke, helped put my college's inventory database online. :)
2002-11-26 10:16:03 AM  
simply put, what mac users are saying is that I can do anything on my Mac you can do on your PC.

my question is then why pay 3xs as much?

These are cute mac commercials but if you're telling people switch over, we are just as good, then make them just as competitively priced.
2002-11-26 10:16:20 AM  
Were these supposed to be funny? I usually like Will Ferrell, but I didn't even contemplate laughing during these. The Doobie Brother reference is the only thing I saw that MIGHT have been meant to be actually humorous.

Now did anyone see Will Ferrell as James Lipton on Inside the Actor's Studio with special guest James Lipton? I was dying.
2002-11-26 10:20:46 AM  

I thought the same thing. I think Will is funny but these were pitiful. I'm not bashing MAC on this, just Wil''s comic abilities. It's good to see that he has really kicked his career into high gear post SNL. All he needs to do now is make a couple of shiatty movies and then OD in a bungalow.
2002-11-26 10:22:48 AM  
2002-11-26 10:36:49 AM  
Depands on what you use them for and if you're buying "top of the line."

However, I will go on record saying that anyone who uses their home computer more than say 20 hours a week needs to learn how to build and maintain their own system (if not home network) since it's extremely easy.

Let's just say for Windows (yeah it's a dirty word) pick a processor type, pick the speed, buy a mobo that mounts said processor, buy RAM that matches the mobo (or pick your RAM first, depends on your pocketbook) then buy a case, then your graphics, depending on your board/need either buy a sound card or use onboard, then your hard-drive, your drives and then work out a heat dissapation system.

Assembly is the easiest part of the whole gig, really no more difficult than putting together a snap-tight model.

Maintaince is probably the more difficult part, but once you learn how to diagnose problems with hardware you're fine.

The real scum aren't at Microsoft or Apple, they're the people who assemble computers then mark them up in excess of 50% profit for slapping them together and providing you a number to call (considering warrenty on distributer bought parts is the same as Dell/Gateways)
2002-11-26 10:40:43 AM  
Thray - because what you find simple, they do not understand. What's self-righteous and hypocritcal about this is they do things you cannot, understand things you do not, and find simple things which would perplex or bore you no doubt.

Well, you're mistaken... There is nothing I cannot do, nothing I do not understand, and never... ever... have I been "perplexed" by anything. I am a renaissance man and an intellectual god. All knowledge and abilities wither before my conquering presence.


Actually, my original post was just a jab... not at Mac's, but rather the spots. (and your choice of the phrase "elite" in association with the tasks that seemed to confuse the principals)

Personally, I think if someone "defines" themselves by their OS, (or the car they drive, or their political affiliations, or even the athletic teams they support, etc.) they really need to crack some books, climb some mountains, have some sex... whatever it takes to give them self-esteem that goes beyond "consumer affiliation." In short, be yourself, don't buy youself.

I'm equally comfortable with both systems. However, I choose PC for the same reason I chose VHS some 20-odd years ago, because it's what most of the world speaks. Both systems have their plusses, both have their minuses. They both crash (both infrequently...)

Most of the stuff that gets bandied about as arguments (on both sides of the debate) are, in my own personal experience, bullshiat myths that each camp likes to believe about the other system.
2002-11-26 10:41:19 AM  
Goddamn un-closed bold tags...
2002-11-26 10:43:42 AM  
SpaceCoyote: You're a loser. Stop posting. Nobody cares about your in-depth analysis of this very interesting discussion.
2002-11-26 10:47:49 AM  
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2002-11-26 10:55:22 AM  
I'll see your flamewar and raise you a glass of shut the hell up.

And neither of those ads was very funny
2002-11-26 11:02:02 AM  
I have chunks of funnier things than that in my colon. I hope Wil made lotsa cash for that-
2002-11-26 11:02:46 AM  
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2002-11-26 11:06:19 AM  
Ad not funny.

"I've got a fever...and the only prescription is...more cowbell!"
2002-11-26 11:07:22 AM  
I love janie porche. SHe's got the cutest dimples AND she saved Christmas!!
2002-11-26 11:09:27 AM  
my question is then why pay 3xs as much?

When I bought my 733 G4 tower at the beginning of the year, I paid just over £1,000 (no idea what that is in dollars) for the machine and monitor. A well-built similarly specced wintel box would have cost in the £900-£1,000 range.

Of course it has to be said that I for one don't want Apple to be popular. I don't want Apple being the next OS monopoly dictating licensing terms to all and sundry. I like the fact that people turn green when I show them iTunes, or iPhoto, or iCal, or OS/X dock, or the OS/X finder. I like listening to people cursing Outlook Express, trying to get it setup to send or receive mail, after having re-installed the operating system for the umpteenth time after the latest virus automatically executed. I delight it watching people trying to get their dial-up connection working on Windows. It's FUN. What fun would it be if everyone's computer was as simple to use as mine :o)
2002-11-26 11:17:56 AM  
For all of the Walken "More cowbell" audio clips and others go to the following link. Some NSFW with the speakers up.
2002-11-26 11:24:49 AM  
Stepping outside this flame war for a sec...

Hamilton Morris - the next cliche?

Gautam Godse - insert gag about raunchy web site.

Andy Skowronski or Theresa McPherson - variations on the Ron Jeremy "measurement scale"?
2002-11-26 11:30:07 AM  
ArmchairDissident - Of course it has to be said that I for one don't want Apple to be popular.

Dude, your beret reeks of clove cigarettes...

/just kidding
2002-11-26 11:31:43 AM  

Well I agree completely with that, and I wasn't taking any sides in the flamewar (wintel at work, solaris at school, mac at home ;), I'm just tired of people pretending they're hot shiat because they know computers and anyone who doesn't must be stupid, and any company that develops and markets to said people sucks. I know first hand how frustrating it can be, I've had to fix computers and train these people, but I also know it's because they just. don't. care. as they are involved in their own interests, and computers are just a tool. I know invariably someone's going to bring up the driving a car comparison, which I'll premptively shut down by noting that turning an ignition, pushing a level to 'drive', pressing a gas and brake pedal and spinning a steering wheel are greatly simplified operations compared to the functioning of an actual automobile. The comparsion only furthers the point that tools are used by people who don't really understand them.
2002-11-26 11:39:58 AM  
I just love the Mac vs. Windows debate. Here's my contribution:
Windows sux-it's big, buggy, slow, unreliable, unfair and way too expensive. However if you want to play games (computer games, not console), you have no other choice.
Mac also sux - the computers are expensive, slower than PCs (they are) and the OS is too dumbed down (it's true most stuff installs and runs seamlessly, but that's because only select brands/periferal components are supported and almost no control is given to the user to tinker). The Mac is more of an appliance than a computer (kinda like a console).

Now if they would only start porting games to Linux...
2002-11-26 11:41:34 AM  
And now, to quote a random Mac user:
"You're an idiot, can't you see Macs are better? Why would you buy a Ford Focus when you can buy a Cadillac for only $10,000 more. It's worth it because it's better! It's actually the same price if you factor in all the extra stuff you're getting."

You're buying an image, not a computer.
2002-11-26 11:46:35 AM  
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2002-11-26 11:50:44 AM  
Microsoft is a close partner in the Justice Dept's attempts to SPY ON YOU.

Buy Mac. Or the Nazis will win!
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