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2008-06-02 08:37:19 AM  
Guess he should've paid his bills, then.

And that looks like a wonderful family to belong to.
 
2008-06-02 08:41:56 AM  
if each one ate one less cookie a day, they would have the $580. I have no sympathy for stupid fatties.
 
2008-06-02 08:44:37 AM  
In other news, contracts are legally binding, even if you find outcomes of their agreements to be offensive.
 
2008-06-02 08:45:48 AM  
Patricia and Greg Green, and their daughter, Cherylin, are now living in a rented home, which they ate
 
2008-06-02 08:49:37 AM  
Sounds like a great way to get rid of your unwanted neighbors.
 
2008-06-02 08:53:01 AM  
Seems all his problems were caused by his unhealthy lifestyle.
 
2008-06-02 08:55:08 AM  
While I hate HOAs with a never-ending passion, if you don't pay your farking dues, the people that DO pay their dues have to shoulder you and make it harder for the HOA to do their job.
 
2008-06-02 08:58:03 AM  
After our first home was a townhouse with ah HOA, my wife and I have one rule when homebuying: No HOAs. We stick to that, and it's worked out really well.
 
2008-06-02 09:23:44 AM  
His health problems stemmed from being over-weight and his family still looks like that? No sympathy.
 
2008-06-02 09:35:56 AM  
"Am I ruthless, or am I protecting the interests of people who pay?" asked Tankel.

Out of all the professions in the world you chose one that routinely kicks people out of their homes. I'd say you're an immoral jackass, but then again the world needs those too.
 
2008-06-02 09:37:00 AM  
Whamdangler: After our first home was a townhouse with ah HOA, my wife and I have one rule when homebuying: No HOAs. We stick to that, and it's worked out really well.

Yeah they just scare me too much to even consider them.
 
2008-06-02 09:37:14 AM  
Is it just me, or is Mom's head about 5 sizes too small?
 
2008-06-02 09:37:51 AM  
bronyaur1: In other news, contracts are legally binding, even if you find outcomes of their agreements to be offensive.

Which is why I shouldn't be compelled by law to legally bind myself to some association in order to live where I want.
 
2008-06-02 09:39:48 AM  
EatHam: Patricia and Greg Green, and their daughter, Cherylin, are now living in a rented home, which they ate

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2008-06-02 09:42:10 AM  
I have a lot of sympathy for lazy people who gain so much weight that they give themselves diabetes, injure their back, quit their job, leach off of welfare, and don't pay their bills, then loose their house.

/have another cookie
 
2008-06-02 09:44:53 AM  
SurfaceTension: Which is why I shouldn't be compelled by law to legally bind myself to some association in order to live where I want.

If you don't want to bind yourself to the association, you clearly don't want to live there.
 
2008-06-02 09:52:48 AM  
Aside from the weight, they don't look like the nicest people in the world. I wonder if they did anything to mitigate the situation before it got all blowed up. Like talking to association in advance, working out a deal, or at least notify them of their situation. I have a suspicion that they just didn't pay and then reacted like victims when it went foul.

/just an impression
 
2008-06-02 09:55:28 AM  
SushiJoe: I have a lot of sympathy for lazy people who gain so much weight that they give themselves diabetes, injure their back, quit their job, leach off of welfare, and don't pay their bills, then loose their house.

I guess they should have tightened their house.
 
2008-06-02 10:03:25 AM  
So who do I make fun of here? The evil HOA or the fat family? Decisions, decisions...
 
2008-06-02 10:06:30 AM  
The Onanist: SushiJoe: I have a lot of sympathy for lazy people who gain so much weight that they give themselves diabetes, injure their back, quit their job, leach off of welfare, and don't pay their bills, then loose their house.

I guess they should have tightened their house.


lol, the grammer nazi's favorite mistake
 
2008-06-02 10:10:04 AM  
John Paul Jones: Is it just me, or is Mom's head about 5 sizes too small?

No. No, her body is five times too large. If they're that broke, they should go to the bech and sell shade. That should get them out of the hole in no time.

TFA: By 2005, the family of five had fallen behind on dues to the homeowners association of The Glen at River Ridge,

Not that anybody gives a shiat what I think, but I can't stand pretentious names being given to cookie-cutter subdivisions. Worse, I hate it when someone goes out of their way to inform me that they reside at "Highland River Oaks Estates at Morningwood Ranch." It's not a ranch. It's farking Irvine.
 
2008-06-02 10:10:15 AM  
Is it just me, or does it seem to anyone else that HOAs are basically constructs developed by people who want to have the power of government without the responsibilities of being an elected official? I've wondered for years a) how people have allowed the HOAs to gain the level of power they have and b) why local governments are willing to tolerate these little fiefdoms in their territory.

That said, this does seem like a case of the guy's own life choices screwing him over. If the HOA didn't take this kind of action, eventually someone else would have.

/scary photo
//shudder
///someone shop a side-by-side of that woman and Jabba...
 
2008-06-02 10:11:41 AM  
Um, beach.

/Still drunk
 
2008-06-02 10:12:30 AM  
Diogenes: Aside from the weight, they don't look like the nicest people in the world. I wonder if they did anything to mitigate the situation before it got all blowed up. Like talking to association in advance, working out a deal, or at least notify them of their situation. I have a suspicion that they just didn't pay and then reacted like victims when it went foul.

/just an impression


I'm on an HOA board, and yes I am getting a kick out of these replies.

If his problems started three years ago then I guess he had not paid his bill in over 3 years. Come on! Three years! We have two houses right now at over 2 years (just hit the second years) and all we are doing is sending nasty letters. The main reason I got on the board was to stop stupid shiat like this, but after dealing with these two I'm about ready to incur the legal fees. Your house costs 300k and you cant come up with $175 bucks a year!! Worst yet they are the only ones biatch about stuff. So yeah I'm about ready.
 
2008-06-02 10:19:33 AM  
lexnaturalis
So who do I make fun of here? The evil HOA or the fat family? Decisions, decisions...

Did you scroll down and read the comments? Those folks took on both. Hilarious.
 
2008-06-02 10:23:14 AM  
SushiJoe: lol, the grammer nazi's favorite mistake

I see it often enough and it bugs the crap out of me. It just speaks to laziness in English.

/It's spelled "grammar."
//And "Nazi" should be capitalized.
///Also, it's not being a "grammar Nazi" as much as a "spelling Nazi."
 
2008-06-02 10:28:14 AM  
Pocket Ninja: If you don't want to bind yourself to the association, you clearly don't want to live there.

Being able to live somewhere isn't a privilege. If I can purchase the home at the market rate, I have a right to live there.
 
2008-06-02 10:35:18 AM  
Kyndig: Is it just me, or does it seem to anyone else that HOAs are basically constructs developed by people who want to have the power of government without the responsibilities of being an elected official? I've wondered for years a) how people have allowed the HOAs to gain the level of power they have and b) why local governments are willing to tolerate these little fiefdoms in their territory.

To that latter point, it's beyond local governments in FL. The state backs the rights of HOAs to seize properties for people who fall out of compliance. So in essense they do have the power of elected officials without the concomitant accountability.
 
2008-06-02 10:35:46 AM  
The Stealth Hippopotamus: I'm on an HOA board, and yes I am getting a kick out of these replies.

drx.typepad.com

/get him
 
2008-06-02 10:43:19 AM  
SurfaceTension: Being able to live somewhere isn't a privilege. If I can purchase the home at the market rate, I have a right to live there.

And if the HOA suddenly sprung out of your closet the night you moved in, cackled maniacally, and pronounced you its latest victim, you might have a point. But if you know it's there, its existence is merely one factor for you to consider in moving in. Don't like it? Fine. Don't move there.
 
2008-06-02 10:49:48 AM  
Gwendolyn: "Am I ruthless, or am I protecting the interests of people who pay?" asked Tankel.

Out of all the professions in the world you chose one that routinely kicks people out of their homes. I'd say you're an immoral jackass, but then again the world needs those too.


If the enforcement of the deal is immoral, isn't the deal immoral from its inception? Why is the lawyer less moral than the buyer or the lender or the HOA?
 
2008-06-02 10:51:17 AM  
ThatGuyGreg: /get him

Hey, Hey, Hey.

I'm the good guy here. The only reason I'm on the board is to stop the stupid stuff you hear about all the time. I think I almost have the convent laws so messed up that absolutely nothing can be done. I still left the whole "no parking RVs, Boats and broken cars on your yard for more then three day" rule clear. God I hate people mess up their lawns with their toys. If you can afford the toy then you should be able to afford a place to keep it. But I have removed the rule against basket ball goals (the in ground ones) and flag poles! All in all I think a job well done. And I have keep the retired people (read: people with nothing better to do) from passing any new laws.
 
2008-06-02 10:56:13 AM  
The Stealth Hippopotamus: ThatGuyGreg: /get him

Hey, Hey, Hey.

I'm the good guy here. The only reason I'm on the board is to stop the stupid stuff you hear about all the time. I think I almost have the convent laws so messed up that absolutely nothing can be done. I still left the whole "no parking RVs, Boats and broken cars on your yard for more then three day" rule clear. God I hate people mess up their lawns with their toys. If you can afford the toy then you should be able to afford a place to keep it. But I have removed the rule against basket ball goals (the in ground ones) and flag poles! All in all I think a job well done. And I have keep the retired people (read: people with nothing better to do) from passing any new laws.


Most people are willing to accept the nonsense. I applaud (and pity) you for trying to stem it.

The biggest problem I've observed in my mom's HOA is the unequal application of the rules on the residents. Mostly stemming from favoritism, cronyism, and rivalries.

Sadly, all politics IS local.
 
2008-06-02 10:59:17 AM  
Sooo, what I have learned a new Fun Fact From Fark: If you are fat and ugly, it's your own fault, if you are thin and attractive society is to blame.

/That is not to say these people aren't the architect of their own problems
//But there would be less hating if they were thin and attractive
///But probably more I'd hit it comments
 
2008-06-02 11:02:07 AM  
Pocket Ninja: But if you know it's there, its existence is merely one factor for you to consider in moving in. Don't like it? Fine. Don't move there.

I don't mind it being there, I just don't want to be legally compelled to join it. Don't like me moving there and not joining? Let's go to court and find out just how Constitutional this whole setup really is. I can think of two Constitutional objections off the top of my head: Freedom of Association, and Equal Protection.

/I swear if I ever win the lottery, this legal battle is going to be one I'm going to wage.
 
2008-06-02 11:03:04 AM  
The Stealth Hippopotamus: Hey, Hey, Hey.

I'm the good guy here. The only reason I'm on the board is to stop the stupid stuff you hear about all the time. I think I almost have the convent laws so messed up that absolutely nothing can be done.


Well, mmk, but we'll be watching. Me, I'd never move anywhere where my neighbors had any say over what I did with my most expensive asset/liability yet.
 
2008-06-02 11:08:04 AM  
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More than three years ago, Green's body seemed to be falling apart. Overweight, he suffered two blood clots in his lung, then he needed surgery for a back injury, then he was diagnosed with diabetes. On his doctor's advice, he left his job at an Alzheimer's care center in Tampa and began collecting disability benefits, which were about half his previous salary and put a strain on his family's finances, Green says.


Yes, people, him stuffing his face caused this.
 
2008-06-02 11:18:52 AM  
SurfaceTension: I have a right to live there.

where did i miss this in the constitution?
 
2008-06-02 11:21:54 AM  
I just came in here to say a few things:
A) Yes, they are all obese.
B) Yes, they should have paid their dues.
C) Yes, that woman's head is WAY too tiny.
D) The guy worked at an Alzheimer's care center, that should give him a little leeway from the fat jokes.
 
2008-06-02 11:23:26 AM  
SurfaceTension: Let's go to court and find out just how Constitutional this whole setup really is.

Civil contract law is a whole different ballgame - the Constitution doesn't count for shiat.

You want a new-built house? But a patch of land, and have one built, HOA free. You can even make your mailbox look like a big fish.
 
2008-06-02 11:52:20 AM  
The Stealth Hippopotamus: If his problems started three years ago then I guess he had not paid his bill in over 3 years. Come on! Three years! We have two houses right now at over 2 years (just hit the second years) and all we are doing is sending nasty letters. The main reason I got on the board was to stop stupid shiat like this, but after dealing with these two I'm about ready to incur the legal fees. Your house costs 300k and you cant come up with $175 bucks a year!! Worst yet they are the only ones biatch about stuff. So yeah I'm about ready.

Their house costs 300K, and the HOA fees are $175 annually? My house is around 225K with HOA fees of $350 annually. Then again, I get a clubhouse, pool, and wetlands nearby.

/Love the sound of frogs at night during the summer.
//Reminds me of the Florida home I grew up in as a kid.
///Until the county was developed into a massive urban sprawl.
 
2008-06-02 12:05:44 PM  
ThatGuyGreg: most expensive asset/liability yet.

WHY CAN PEOPLE SEE THIS!!!!

We had an open meeting to take over the HOA from the builders and guess how many showed! Maybe 60 people, many with their wifes and husbands. So out of 156 homes only 35-40 homes were represented. So if you take the highest number only 25% of the people in the 'hood care about the single largest investment of their lives. Have they not heard the horror stories?!? Hell, in the meeting we had a lady biatching about 20 bucks she thought she should be prorated because she was not in her house the full year. She took up over 10 mins of 60 people's time to biatch about 20 bucks. Her house at the minimum costs 250k and 20 bucks is messing her up. Right then and there I signed up for the HOA so that I could keep an eye on that hag.

Diogenes: The biggest problem I've observed in my mom's HOA is the unequal application of the rules on the residents. Mostly stemming from favoritism, cronyism, and rivalries.

True with any social group. All you can do is try to be fair. Since I am the youngest and largest of the group it is my job to deliver the first verbal warning of a problem. Most people are really reasonable and I tell them how to beat the system or at the very least what they must do according to the letter of the by laws. I did have a couple of people get in my face but by the time it was over they were thanking me for my help.
 
2008-06-02 12:07:34 PM  
AirForceVet: Their house costs 300K, and the HOA fees are $175 annually? My house is around 225K with HOA fees of $350 annually. Then again, I get a clubhouse, pool, and wetlands nearby.

/Love the sound of frogs at night during the summer.
//Reminds me of the Florida home I grew up in as a kid.
///Until the county was developed into a massive urban sprawl.


no pool.
no clubhouse.
some green belts.

Basically we need to keep the grass mowed and the ponds clear.
 
2008-06-02 12:16:21 PM  
A few months ago I tagged along with a friend who was looking to buy a condo in SF, the agent said the HOA fee was $1200, I said oh $100 a month that's not too bad the agent looked at me like was farking moron & said that's $1200 a month. I wouldn't pay $1200 a month for rent.
 
2008-06-02 12:23:48 PM  
borg: I wouldn't pay $1200 a month for rent.

Then definitely stay the hell away from SF.
 
2008-06-02 12:25:31 PM  
The Stealth Hippopotamus: If his problems started three years ago then I guess he had not paid his bill in over 3 years. Come on! Three years! We have two houses right now at over 2 years (just hit the second years) and all we are doing is sending nasty letters. The main reason I got on the board was to stop stupid shiat like this, but after dealing with these two I'm about ready to incur the legal fees. Your house costs 300k and you cant come up with $175 bucks a year!! Worst yet they are the only ones biatch about stuff. So yeah I'm about ready.

Forget the lawyers and just go to small claims court (this has the Oklahoma link for you.), if it's that much of a hassle. Your HOA will save thousands in legal fees, and you won't be like the douchebags in this article who tack on thousands of dollars in legal fees just for purposes of spite.

My concern about this whole thing is that this is what economists refer to as "waste" - inefficient use of economic resources caused by bad information, bad contracts, or just plain human stupidity. Throwing a family out of a home worth (I'm guessing) somewhere between $150,000 and $200,000 over a $580 debt, and then letting the home sit vacant because nobody wants to buy it? In what parallel universe does this make any kind of sense? Courts should be telling these HOA's to negotiate or take payment plans (and leave the lawyers out of it).

It's the same reason it's frustrating to see lenders refusing to take title to homes they've foreclosed and thrown the owners out of to avoid paying property taxes, and essentially abandoning the property to vagrants and thieves. So the lenders aren't getting their money back anyway, the owners have lost their home, and the neighborhood is being blighted. How does anyone benefit in that kind of situation?
 
2008-06-02 12:30:30 PM  
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Coincidence?
 
2008-06-02 12:39:09 PM  
SushiJoe: I have a lot of sympathy for lazy people who gain so much weight that they give themselves diabetes, injure their back, quit their job, leach off of welfare, and don't pay their bills, then loose their house.

/have another cookie


No kidding, right?

I love the comments in TFA, too: Maybe if they ate a little less, they could have saved enough money on groceries to pay their HOA. It doesn't look like any of them have missed a meal in a long time.
 
2008-06-02 12:43:45 PM  
The Onanist: SushiJoe: I have a lot of sympathy for lazy people who gain so much weight that they give themselves diabetes, injure their back, quit their job, leach off of welfare, and don't pay their bills, then loose their house.

I guess they should have tightened their house hose.


/pet peeve and all that
 
2008-06-02 12:47:13 PM  
The guy is fat AND he wears tube socks with shorts.

He's lucky God didn't give him more problems.
 
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