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2008-06-01 08:20:50 PM  
Thunderpipes: Obama wants to destroy the US economy. He wants to increase corporate tax rates, and drastically increase the price of gasoline. He wants to meet with and appease terrorists, he has spent 20 years in a racist church.

I have yet to see one single thing he wants to do that is good. Of course, most Farkers don't care. He is black, he says "change" alot. That is all most Farkers need, since they do not understand the economy at all.


It's like there's a talking point party and everyone's invited!
 
2008-06-01 08:21:43 PM  
unix.dude: Had any of you resident Fark political experts taken the time to actually read the vet education benefits legislation against which McCain voted, you'd understand why. It granted sweeping benefits to any vet regardless of years served. I don't know about you, but I'd rather see a graduated (no pun intended) system where the longer you serve, the more comprehensive educational benefits you enjoy afterward.

And on B. Hussein Obama and his church "resignation". Sitting in the pew for 20 years in placid agreement then deciding "Oh shiat, this has become a political liability, I'd better do something!" is very telling indeed.


THIS! couldn't word it better myself
 
2008-06-01 08:22:00 PM  
Thunderpipes: Obama wants to destroy the US economy. He wants to increase corporate tax rates, and drastically increase the price of gasoline. He wants to meet with and appease terrorists, he has spent 20 years in a racist church.

I have yet to see one single thing he wants to do that is good. Of course, most Farkers don't care. He is black, he says "change" alot. That is all most Farkers need, since they do not understand the economy at all.


Actually, I am quite familiar with Obama's voting record and his plans for the US. Either you've been fed false information or you are maliciously attacking the character of a man who you know nothing about and oppose for your own personal reasons. Do some research on your own and you might find that your opinion is based on fallacies.
 
2008-06-01 08:22:40 PM  
deadapostle: Do some research on your own and you might find that your opinion is based on fallacies.

Most trolls' opinions are.
 
2008-06-01 08:23:00 PM  
Donald_McRonald: Thunderpipes: Obama wants to destroy the US economy. He wants to increase corporate tax rates, and drastically increase the price of gasoline. He wants to meet with and appease terrorists, he has spent 20 years in a racist church.

I have yet to see one single thing he wants to do that is good. Of course, most Farkers don't care. He is black, he says "change" alot. That is all most Farkers need, since they do not understand the economy at all.

It's like there's a talking point party and everyone's invited!


Seriously though. How does increasing the corporate tax rate (which is the second highest in the world) help the economy? How does taxing oil companies extra help gasoline prices? How does sitting down and talking with terrorists help anything? Will they stop hating and become nice people?
 
2008-06-01 08:24:18 PM  
Are we really going to have to sit through four months of turdweasel greenlights like this piece of crap that feebly attempt to make McCain farkbag look like a viable candidate?

That's a long four months. Here come the Freepers.
 
2008-06-01 08:25:02 PM  
Thunderpipes: Seriously though. How does increasing the corporate tax rate (which is the second highest in the world) help the economy? How does taxing oil companies extra help gasoline prices? How does sitting down and talking with terrorists help anything? Will they stop hating and become nice people?

How do simplistic descriptions of issues add any substance to the debate?
 
2008-06-01 08:25:20 PM  
deadapostle: Thunderpipes: Obama wants to destroy the US economy. He wants to increase corporate tax rates, and drastically increase the price of gasoline. He wants to meet with and appease terrorists, he has spent 20 years in a racist church.

I have yet to see one single thing he wants to do that is good. Of course, most Farkers don't care. He is black, he says "change" alot. That is all most Farkers need, since they do not understand the economy at all.

Actually, I am quite familiar with Obama's voting record and his plans for the US. Either you've been fed false information or you are maliciously attacking the character of a man who you know nothing about and oppose for your own personal reasons. Do some research on your own and you might find that your opinion is based on fallacies.


Umm, actually, I am 100% right. He does want to increase corporate taxes. He does advocate a windfall tax on oil companies. He does want to meet with the leaders of terrorist organizations. Do you dispute this? If so it is pretty easy to lookup his agenda.
 
2008-06-01 08:26:23 PM  
Donald_McRonald: Thunderpipes: Seriously though. How does increasing the corporate tax rate (which is the second highest in the world) help the economy? How does taxing oil companies extra help gasoline prices? How does sitting down and talking with terrorists help anything? Will they stop hating and become nice people?

How do simplistic descriptions of issues add any substance to the debate?


Then man up and refute these points. You know Obama's plans. They do not help anything.
 
2008-06-01 08:28:41 PM  
i240.photobucket.com
 
2008-06-01 08:29:04 PM  
ALSO

John McCain is a ranked member of the Senate Committee of Armed Services. His position is the reason that he goes to Iraq so much. He's a military man.

The US has a great military heritage, and John McCain is a man who has made great sacrifices for the betterment of the American people both in his service and in his works in public office. That being said, his foreign policy position is more likely to hurt the American economy and certainly the price of gas.

Not that I wish to call John McCain George Bush, but in the 8 years that the Bush has been president, the average American family income has gone DOWN by $2000. John McCain's policies are very similar to GW's. We shouldn't expect more of the same with McCain, we should expect less of it.
 
2008-06-01 08:30:41 PM  
i242.photobucket.com

Is it time for this pathetic shiate yet?
 
2008-06-01 08:31:33 PM  
Thunderpipes: Obama wants to destroy the US economy. He wants to increase corporate tax rates, and drastically increase the price of gasoline. He wants to meet with and appease terrorists, he has spent 20 years in a racist church.
Yes, he wants to destroy the US economy. He is running for president because he hates America and wants to turn the location of his nice new house into a third world country.

Corporate tax rates are at the perfect level. They sucked a few years ago, but now -right now - they are exactly, precisely correct. I'm sure you know exactly what the rates are set at, and for context the last few times they changed and the resulting economic movement.

He wants to drastically increase the cost of gasoline, a stable commodity that is endlessly available for cheap from stable, friendly countries that we should be utterly dependent upon.

He wants to meet with and appease terrorists. He has never, ever, said any such thing, but Rush Limbaugh and John McCain can see into his soul and you can trust them when they say that's what he wants to do.

And there is clearly no debate that Trinity church, which has many white members, is racist. Just like the KKK with all it's black members.

I have yet to see one single thing he wants to do that is good. Of course, most Farkers don't care. He is black, he says "change" alot. That is all most Farkers need, since they do not understand the economy at all.
I am glad you took the time to read his policy positions at barackobama.com so we don't have to and know that every policy idea he has is crap. You are truly an intelligent resource, not at all dumb enough to just accept the empty sound bites and analyst babble to form your views! And Farkers know that Obama has never shown leadership by crafting a campaign capable of stopping the Clinton machine, or intelligent governance by formulating and, over strong initial opposition, getting passed into law the requirement that capital criminal interrogations and confessions be video taped.

Thank you for your valuable and information laden post! Without you we'd just be surrounded by bleating idiots waving partisan foam fingers or being all politi-emo sulking that "government sucks and doesn't do anything any how."

/Stuck in Texas on business
//Should find something better to do
///What the fark do you do Sunday night in Dallas?
 
2008-06-01 08:31:33 PM  
Why is the Politico trying so hard to be the online Faux News? Don't we have enough right wing windbags in the propaganda business right now??

OH wait, they have to replace Kevin James.
 
2008-06-01 08:32:11 PM  
i157.photobucket.com
 
2008-06-01 08:38:06 PM  
Thunderpipes:
Seriously though. How does increasing the corporate tax rate (which is the second highest in the world) help the economy? How does taxing oil companies extra help gasoline prices? How does sitting down and talking with terrorists help anything? Will they stop hating and become nice people?


So the US, the undisputed leading economic engine of the world for the past two or three generations has the second highest corporate tax rate, yet a high corporate tax rate is bad... why? Because you don't like the way it allows for low personal tax rates that encourage initiative while still supporting world-beating infrastructure (research, educational, defense, etc.)? Reality suggests a high corporate income tax is part of the package that has allowed the US economy to kick as, fark yeah, and you want to mess with it? Uh...

Taxing oil companies does not help bring down the cost of gasoline, but it does pass along the true cost of gasoline to the market to allow the magic of the invisible hand to work.

Not sure where you have sitting down with terrorists is one of Obama's policy points, but the only people worth having talks with are the ones who hate you. But you seem to not know what "appease" means, so I'm not going to bother debating this point with you.
 
2008-06-01 08:38:17 PM  
Y'know, if you guys keep this kind of stuff up, not a one of ya is makin' the trip up here, if ya get my meaning.
 
2008-06-01 08:38:17 PM  
deadapostle: That being said, his foreign policy position is more likely to hurt the American economy and certainly the price of gas.

Your cheap gas isn't coming back. It'd be in the best interest of the United States to end its dependency on the substance sooner rather than later. It doesn't matter whose elected in November; no Presidential decree by fiat is going to change that.
 
2008-06-01 08:38:29 PM  
Thunderpipes: Then man up and refute these points. You know Obama's plans. They do not help anything.

Again, you're taking an overly simplistic view of things. For example, while the corporate tax rate is one of the highest in the world, deferral on foreign earnings acts as a de facto tax break:

But despite the high rate, the U.S. takes in less annual revenue from corporate taxes, measured as a percentage of economic output, than almost all other major economies. Part of the explanation for that shortfall is the allowance for corporations to postpone taxes on foreign income.

As a result, American companies have an incentive to move operations overseas.
 
2008-06-01 08:38:42 PM  
Surpheon

Follow me...this is not hard.

*** if your neighbor never joined the military he would not be in Iraq. That is a fact. Not an opinion.

Your neighbor's freedom of choice took him where he is. That is a fact. not an opinion.

The path he took and has to live with is what has in your opinion "changed his families quality of life". George Bush did not set him on his path.

There are a lot of politicians who need weak minded thinkers like you to get into and keep their power.
 
2008-06-01 08:38:51 PM  
I will note that all the trolls in this thread need to be gassed, and the last three generations of their families need to be shot in the back of the head, and buried up to their necks in a publicly visible area so we can recognized their faces.

And their children and babies too. Post partum abortions for all.
 
2008-06-01 08:38:55 PM  
dig420: Why is the Politico trying so hard to be the online Faux News? Don't we have enough right wing windbags in the propaganda business right now??

They get paid by the click, and the more people they irritate, the more clicks. I don't bother to click through to them anymore because of this.
 
2008-06-01 08:39:58 PM  
Thunderpipes: Umm, actually, I am 100% right. He does want to increase corporate taxes. He does advocate a windfall tax on oil companies. He does want to meet with the leaders of terrorist organizations. Do you dispute this? If so it is pretty easy to lookup his agenda.

There is truth to what you say, but your words are slanted. He wants to increase corporate taxes because they have been reduced to a ridiculous degree in the past 8 years. The American capitalist machine is funded by the blood, sweat, and tears of its poor and middle class.

His "windfall tax" on oil profits is a Robin Hood maneuver. He wants to take money being used by the rich and provide services and funding for the poor and middle class, who have been suffering.

He wants to meet with "terrorists"? I'm not sure if you're familiar with the works of Machiavelli, Sun Tsu, and William Shakespeare, but they all recommend familiarizing yourself with your enemy. There are few terrorists in the world who oppose the United States that do so because they are evil people. They hate the US because of terrible things that have happened in their lives and cultures from American actions. Communication is not a weakness.

The most truthful thing that you said, though, is that you are 100% right. You might want to stop looking at the other side of the aisle with aggression and venom and instead go a little closer and listen to the meaning of their positions. Both sides have a lot of truth to them, and both sides have a lot wrong with them.
 
2008-06-01 08:40:40 PM  
Corporate tax rates are at the perfect level. They sucked a few years ago, but now -right now - they are exactly, precisely correct. I'm sure you know exactly what the rates are set at, and for context the last few times they changed and the resulting economic movement.

He wants to drastically increase the cost of gasoline, a stable commodity that is endlessly available for cheap from stable, friendly countries that we should be utterly dependent upon.

He wants to meet with and appease terrorists. He has never, ever, said any such thing, but Rush Limbaugh and John McCain can see into his soul and you can trust them when they say that's what he wants to do.

And there is clearly no debate that Trinity church, which has many white members, is racist. Just like the KKK with all it's black members.


You need some education son.

Taxes are at the perfect rate? Then why do corporations do everything they can to go offshore? Ireland has a 12.5% corporate tax rate. Go look at American based businesses that open plants there, you will be shocked. We are at about 40% 40% taxes mean businesses cannot invest, expand, pay workers well, or hire new ones.

Gasoline? Yes, he does. He wants to take that stable commodity, and apply additional taxes to it. It is already heavily taxed by the government, the government makes more than the oil companies do. Obama wants to increase the government's take. What does that do to the price of gas, genius?

He has stated he would meet with the leaders of Hezbollah, The leader of Iran, Syria, etc. So yes, that is meeting with them, and it is giving them exactly what they want, credibility, so it is appeasement as well.

Trinity church was led for many years by a man who said the US tries to kill black people by making AIDS and infecting them. New preachers that proclaim white people feel priviledged, need I go on here? These things are well documented.

You have failed. Try again later.
 
2008-06-01 08:41:18 PM  
Surpheon: Taxing oil companies does not help bring down the cost of gasoline, but it does pass along the true cost of gasoline to the market to allow the magic of the invisible hand to work.

What the hell?
 
2008-06-01 08:41:39 PM  
Surpheon: And, surprisingly to you I'm sure, attributing a random person's statement to someone else actually is literally wrong.

And again you prove you can not read or refuse to.
I did not attribute that statement to anyone, I made it and was asking if I said it would it be racist.
PROTIP: no quotes on it.

You are a true moran, you know the comments and even the remarks on the churchs site are racist but you will argue to the death that they are not.

Just for fun take his comments and webpage remarks and replace "black" with "white", I bet we would be having a very different conversation.
 
2008-06-01 08:41:46 PM  
Thunderpipes: Obama wants to destroy the US economy.

Heh. Why stop there? Why not tell us that he wants to sacrifice puppies to Satan? I don't think your level of demagoguery is up to snuff yet.
 
2008-06-01 08:43:07 PM  
McCain really does seem like a truly decent man.

I just wish, oh how I wish, that he had won that nomination in 2000, when he was eight years younger, a whole lot less owned by people and when there wasn't an inspiring and transformational candidate heading the other ticket.

As it is, for the sake of the rest of the world, you guys gotta kick those Republicans out. Sorry Johnny.
 
2008-06-01 08:45:56 PM  
Thunderpipes: You have failed. Try again later.

But you have succeeded...in parroting the common right-wing talking points of the day. No, you don't get a prize for that.
 
2008-06-01 08:46:33 PM  
His "windfall tax" on oil profits is a Robin Hood maneuver. He wants to take money being used by the rich and provide services and funding for the poor and middle class, who have been suffering.

I really want to hear your reasoning. Taxing oil companies punishes the rich and rewards the poor? The poor have the hardest time affording fuel, and taxing oil companies increases fuel cost, and the price of goods that rely on fuel, like almost all of them.

If anything that hurts the poor more than the rich.
 
2008-06-01 08:47:01 PM  
greased up deaf guy
"Not God Bless America, Goddamn America". Asking God (or telling him) to damn America is to wish a number of really horrible things on this land. Why would anybody do that to something they didn't truly hate?

You know, I don't think it matters much at this point because Wright has obviously gone off the deep end since this sermon hit the intartubes. But the point of his sermon wasn't about "asking god to damn america". Rather he was saying that this country has committed a lot of sins (you know which ones he listed) and that if we were to be honest about what we deserve, we would sing "God damn america" instead of "God Bless America".

I suppose to some of you even that doesn't matter much, but for a man who served his country as a marine, I think it makes a difference when you accuse him of asking God to damn america and when you accuse him of saying this country doesn't deserve God's blessing.

The crux of his argument is yet to be discussed by anybody still masturbating about how what Wright said can hurt Obama.

Are we the type of country that God would bless?

Certainly we're good in many ways. I think in many ways we can be. But we're too busy patting ourselves in the back that we don't recognize reasons why God would also damn us. We enslaved a whole people. We experiemented on them at Tuskegee (which is probably the source of the whole AIDS rumor among blacks). We encouraged a country's farmers to start a drug trade so they could pay for their blood war against the soviet union (and those very people later "came home to roost" when they attacked us on september 11 2001). We manipulated govts abroad to suit our interests, we installed murderous dictators in Guatemala and Chile to keep communists out or perhaps even so we could get cheap bananas.

I could keep writing and writing, but I don't want people to think I'm anti-american. What I do want people to think about is the whole context of that sermon, not just he soundbite that they find politically expedient.

Sure, Wright might be bigoted and have said a lot of stupid and prejuidiced things other than this sermon, but for pete's sake, why don't you cite those? Because the "God Damn America" thing is out of context and innacurate enough that it makes anybody who brings it up over and over look rather unintelligent and desperate.
 
2008-06-01 08:47:25 PM  
Surpheon

The beginning of your response to Thunderpipes will undoubtedly be copied and pasted on many a right wing website. Careful with where you plant your sarcasm.

Darth Shatner

I agree with your position on personal responsibility. I almost joined the Marine Corp in the week following 9/11, but didn't join because I couldn't bring myself to serve under a president who I disrespect. I didn't know what he was going to do, but I felt pretty sure that I wasn't going to agree with it. I would much rather be able to look back at my decision and think of myself as a coward than look back at my decision and feeling that it was the right one for myself.
 
2008-06-01 08:48:17 PM  
RedEyedWings: I just wish, oh how I wish, that he had won that nomination in 2000, when he was eight years younger, a whole lot less owned by people and when there wasn't an inspiring and transformational candidate heading the other ticket.

He still wanted us to waste a bunch of time, money and lives in Iraq. That was still enough of a dealbreaker then.
 
2008-06-01 08:49:36 PM  
Surpheon: Not sure where you have sitting down with terrorists is one of Obama's policy points, but the only people worth having talks with are the ones who hate you. But you seem to not know what "appease" means, so I'm not going to bother debating this point with you.

This.
 
2008-06-01 08:50:00 PM  
Darth Shatner: Surpheon

Follow me...this is not hard.

*** if your neighbor never joined the military he would not be in Iraq. That is a fact. Not an opinion.

Your neighbor's freedom of choice took him where he is. That is a fact. not an opinion.

The path he took and has to live with is what has in your opinion "changed his families quality of life". George Bush did not set him on his path.

There are a lot of politicians who need weak minded thinkers like you to get into and keep their power.


You said:
"The president of the united states has no control over someones quality of life." Darth Shatner, Great Thinker, Never Wrong

I pointed out the president has direct control over the quality of life of 3 million people. This makes your statement wrong. I did not say that my neighbor has no responsibility for the president having power over his life. I said you statement was easily proven to be wrong for 3 million people unless you start throwing in conditions and exclusions (If you never volunteered to protect your country and had access to a good school and got a good job and... "

Again, you said, "The president of the united states has no control over someones quality of life." An absolute statement, with no exclusions, no equivocation, no time frame, and no support. Go ahead and retroactively provide all the exclusions, conditions and assumptions you need to make that stupid statement work and we may have a debate over who is weak minded.

"Freedom of choice took your neighbor where he is" has nothing to do with what you said.
 
2008-06-01 08:51:09 PM  
Thunderpipes: His "windfall tax" on oil profits is a Robin Hood maneuver. He wants to take money being used by the rich and provide services and funding for the poor and middle class, who have been suffering.

I really want to hear your reasoning. Taxing oil companies punishes the rich and rewards the poor? The poor have the hardest time affording fuel, and taxing oil companies increases fuel cost, and the price of goods that rely on fuel, like almost all of them.

If anything that hurts the poor more than the rich.


I would explain my reasoning to you, but if you didn't have the mental capacity to understand Surpheon's sarcasm, I am afraid that I can no longer continue this conversation. If, contrarily, I am wrong and Surpheon's words were not sarcastic, then I am too much of a fool to waste your time.
 
2008-06-01 08:52:36 PM  
So, if McCain had take cameras in, it would have been blasted as a opportunistic photo op - Like the fundraising picture with him shaking hands with Gen. Patreus.

As an aside - Why were the leftards upset about a picture shaking hands with 'General Betray-us'? Isn't this like pictures of him and Bush? I thought Patreus was a person that one had to 'Suspend disbelief' when he spoke? Shouln't the be squealing with glee like a bunch of adolescent schoolgirls?
 
2008-06-01 08:52:43 PM  
Surpheon: But you seem to not know what "appease" means, so I'm not going to bother debating this point with you.

I'll tell you what his definition of "appease" doesn't mean:

selling weapons to people who take your citizens for hostages.

/appease?
//schmapease!
 
2008-06-01 08:54:43 PM  
whidbey: Littledogg: Just because you can't see the house doesn't mean it isn't there sweetheart.

So I take it you're also adding yourself to the list of People Who've Got Nothing?™

Sounds like it.


whidbey you're either brain dead or trolling.

What exactly do you think when you hear the pastor of a church constantly blaming white people for everything that is wrong with black people?

When a pastor says the white man created AIDS to kill the black man, and the entire congregation comes to its feet, hootin' and hollerin', can you argue, with ANY intellectual honesty, that the pastor and that congregation aren't racists?

When Pfleger says that Hillary is a mad white woman who is upset because a black man is stealing her thunder, is that not also a racist theme?

If a white person said any of those things about blacks, do you think he would be labeled a racist?

How many examples do you need to pull your head out of your a$$?
 
2008-06-01 08:54:49 PM  
deadapostle: Thunderpipes: His "windfall tax" on oil profits is a Robin Hood maneuver. He wants to take money being used by the rich and provide services and funding for the poor and middle class, who have been suffering.

I really want to hear your reasoning. Taxing oil companies punishes the rich and rewards the poor? The poor have the hardest time affording fuel, and taxing oil companies increases fuel cost, and the price of goods that rely on fuel, like almost all of them.

If anything that hurts the poor more than the rich.

I would explain my reasoning to you, but if you didn't have the mental capacity to understand Surpheon's sarcasm, I am afraid that I can no longer continue this conversation. If, contrarily, I am wrong and Surpheon's words were not sarcastic, then I am too much of a fool to waste your time.


In other words, you got nothing. Thanks for playin kid.
 
2008-06-01 08:55:44 PM  
Suicidal Writer: Since it's news he still reaps benefit without coming off as sleazy for having cameras. They don't need a visit. They need legislation and an improved, streamlined process at the VA.

Wait, you mean the conditions don't magically improve because he visited? I think rainbows shot out of his flag pin, and healed everybody. Too bad the liberal media left that part out.
 
2008-06-01 08:56:47 PM  
FarkingSean: whidbey: Littledogg: Just because you can't see the house doesn't mean it isn't there sweetheart.

So I take it you're also adding yourself to the list of People Who've Got Nothing?™

Sounds like it.

whidbey you're either brain dead or trolling.

What exactly do you think when you hear the pastor of a church constantly blaming white people for everything that is wrong with black people?

When a pastor says the white man created AIDS to kill the black man, and the entire congregation comes to its feet, hootin' and hollerin', can you argue, with ANY intellectual honesty, that the pastor and that congregation aren't racists?

When Pfleger says that Hillary is a mad white woman who is upset because a black man is stealing her thunder, is that not also a racist theme?

If a white person said any of those things about blacks, do you think he would be labeled a racist?

How many examples do you need to pull your head out of your a$$?


Can you imagine if Bush's church said something even 1/10th as provocative? Liberals give their candidates free passes, because all they care about is putting down republicans. They don't even care who they elect to office, that is scary.
 
2008-06-01 08:58:26 PM  
Thunderpipes:
Taxes are at the perfect rate? Then why do corporations do everything they can to go offshore? Ireland has a 12.5% corporate tax rate. Go look at American based businesses that open plants there, you will be shocked. We are at about 40% 40% taxes mean businesses cannot invest, expand, pay workers well, or hire new ones.


While I agree with your post for the most part I do have to take issue with this part of it.
Corporate welfare is the problem, I will bet there is not one corp. paying 40% in taxes. My small company grossed a little under $140,000. last year, after all the write offs and deductions legally allowed I paid $1800. and some change in taxes and I don't have the high powered accountants the bigger companies do.
The reason most businesses go offshore is simple, more profits.
Taxes may be part of it but lower wages, access to raw materials and laxer enviro laws play a larger part in my opinion.
 
2008-06-01 08:58:31 PM  
LOGICAL_PSYCHO:
You are a true moran, you know the comments and even the remarks on the churchs site are racist but you will argue to the death that they are not.

What the hell? I didn't even know Trinity had a website and now I'm arguing to the death for them? Why don't you go and read what I actually wrote and get back to me. In my very Weeners I said, "/Rev Wright could be tagged as racist, but it is a stretch and you certainly have provided no cites that suggest it." You still haven't provided any cites, and I'm not interested enough in what a cranky old marine preacher thinks to dig them up myself. You have proven that you have a poor grasp of the human language by your insistence that just calling someone a racist makes you a racist (as opposed to just a race baiting douche)(technical definition). Nice strawman though.
 
2008-06-01 09:00:19 PM  
FarkingSean: "Surpheon: Taxing oil companies does not help bring down the cost of gasoline, but it does pass along the true cost of gasoline to the market to allow the magic of the invisible hand to work."

What the hell?


Don't worry, it'll make sense if you ever take a little econ 101 and read up on global commodity markets and current events.
 
2008-06-01 09:00:20 PM  
Thunderpipes: In other words, you got nothing. Thanks for playin kid.

Bloomberg.com article source (^)

The plan would target profit from the biggest oil companies by taxing each barrel of oil costing more than $80, according to a fact sheet on the proposal. The tax would help pay for a $1,000 tax cut for working families, an expansion of the earned- income tax credit and assistance for people who can't afford their energy bills.

You're right. I've got nothing. Well... nothing other than facts, but you don't seem to be bothered with things like that.
 
2008-06-01 09:00:53 PM  
LOGICAL_PSYCHO: Thunderpipes:
Taxes are at the perfect rate? Then why do corporations do everything they can to go offshore? Ireland has a 12.5% corporate tax rate. Go look at American based businesses that open plants there, you will be shocked. We are at about 40% 40% taxes mean businesses cannot invest, expand, pay workers well, or hire new ones.

While I agree with your post for the most part I do have to take issue with this part of it.
Corporate welfare is the problem, I will bet there is not one corp. paying 40% in taxes. My small company grossed a little under $140,000. last year, after all the write offs and deductions legally allowed I paid $1800. and some change in taxes and I don't have the high powered accountants the bigger companies do.
The reason most businesses go offshore is simple, more profits.
Taxes may be part of it but lower wages, access to raw materials and laxer enviro laws play a larger part in my opinion.


So the solution is to tax them more? The solution is to simplify and strengthen the tax code, making it advantageous to stay in the US.

Family Guy is on!
 
2008-06-01 09:01:24 PM  
BravadoGT: They Democrats play that card, not because it's accurate, but because they think it's their strongest hand. If people were to take an honest look at both men, their experiences, their accomplishments, their judgment--well, Democrats obviously don't want THAT.

So they take out the widest brush they have, and paint as quickly as possible "McCain is Bush!" over and over.


Eight years ago, you would be right. However, after the beatings that McCain took from Bush in 2000, McCain peddled away his integrity to get back in the Republican Party's good graces. He almost universally agrees with Bush on every issue as of late, and has "reformed" from his middle-of-the-road attitude that made him palatable to both sides back in 2000.

I think pretending to be Bush III gets him some access to Neocon money, which is disappointing, because if he'd retained any of his character, he wouldn't want a penny from them. And we'd have two good candidates in 2004, Obama and McCain.
 
2008-06-01 09:01:57 PM  
FarkingSean: What exactly do you think when you hear the pastor of a church constantly blaming white people for everything that is wrong with black people?

I know exactly what I think when someone takes a quote and twists it to mean what they feel like it should mean.

I think you've got nothing, and you're repeating busted talking points.

How many examples do you need to pull your head out of your a$$?


No one has produced jack sh*t that's convinced me that the church is racist, or that it preaches hate. And unless you've got something to prove that, I'll simply add you to the List of People That Have Got Nothing, because it sounds like you belong there.
 
2008-06-01 09:02:26 PM  
Surpheon: What the hell? I didn't even know Trinity had a website and now I'm arguing to the death for them? Why don't you go and read what I actually wrote and get back to me. In my very Weeners I said, "/Rev Wright could be tagged as racist, but it is a stretch and you certainly have provided no cites that suggest it." You still haven't provided any cites, and I'm not interested enough in what a cranky old marine preacher thinks to dig them up myself. You have proven that you have a poor grasp of the human language by your insistence that just calling someone a racist makes you a racist (as opposed to just a race baiting douche)(technical definition). Nice strawman though.

No. You must fight to the death. How about pistols at dawn?
 
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