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(WTAM)   High school says two active-duty military students can't wear dress blues to graduation. Students tell school to suck it   ( wtam.com) divider line
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2008-05-29 10:06:18 AM  
Willing to hear their side of the story, but to the high school: Simple rule to cover other organizations who want to make the same requests - if their organization carries the danger of being shot at in the desert of a foreign country, then they can also wear their uniform.
 
2008-05-29 10:14:14 AM  
Awwww, they think they're special.
 
2008-05-29 10:16:39 AM  
Next up, the latex fetishists would like to wear their uniforms to high school graduation.
 
2008-05-29 10:22:42 AM  
No.

You also can't wear a cap and gown to a boot camp graduation.

Stop being an attention whore. You don't HAVE to go to graduation, and if you do, you wear what they want you to.
 
2008-05-29 10:23:09 AM  
I'm pretty sure that I remember being told while in the military that the military doesn't want enlisted people wearing uniforms to civilian functions anyway. This is because it can lend the appearance that the military is endorsing whatever function the person in uniform is attending.

No it wouldn't matter much in this case but it is sort of a blanket rule to prevent problems such as someone in an army uniform being interviewed at a political rally. Then when footage airs on the news the military has to say they don't officially endorse whatever political stance the uniformed person espoused.
 
2008-05-29 10:36:20 AM  
what_now: No.

You also can't wear a cap and gown to a boot camp graduation.

Stop being an attention whore. You don't HAVE to go to graduation, and if you do, you wear what they want you to.


That right there.

Wear the gown over the dress blues for the walk across the stage, then take all the family photos in your uniform and attend the after reception in your uniform, if you want.

I've been to weddings where the groom wore his dress uniform (including a gold cummerbund and sword, as this was the US Navy). Bride is also in the Navy but she wore a regular wedding dress.
 
2008-05-29 11:05:41 AM  
Cap and gown, period. Wear whatever the hell you want under the robe.

This isn't anti-military. The kids are trying to make it so. It's about pomp and circumstance, pageantry, and consistency.

And getting loaded after the ceremonies.
 
2008-05-29 11:06:54 AM  
What's with all the kids getting done with basic training before graduation? Isn't that supposed to come afterwards?

/That's how I did it
//so that's how everybody should do it
 
2008-05-29 11:08:11 AM  
Academic dress is an older tradition than military dress. The cap and gown is a symbol of learning.

There's nothing wrong with being proud of your uniform. Hell, I'm a lady who likes the uniforms. But for a graduation ceremony, you wear academic dress, or you do not attend.
 
2008-05-29 11:17:13 AM  
dstanley: What's with all the kids getting done with basic training before graduation? Isn't that supposed to come afterwards?

It's just an extension of DEP... this is how a few guys did it in my high school, since you couldn't enter the Navy/Air Force without a high school diploma in 1993... I didn't turn 18 until right before graduation, so I just went to rtc that September.

Although now that the military takes the GED, I don't know why they wouldn't just drop out, get the GED and go in early.
 
2008-05-29 11:19:25 AM  
dstanley: What's with all the kids getting done with basic training before graduation? Isn't that supposed to come afterwards?

They're doing split training more and more now.

I still think it's weird. I couldn't imagine going through basic one summer, going back to school for a year, and then heading to AIT and having to get back in the trainee mindset
 
2008-05-29 11:23:51 AM  
what_now: Academic dress is an older tradition than military dress. The cap and gown is a symbol of learning.

I think you're quite wrong there, but I do think wearing a military uniform to your graduation is inappropriate in several ways.
 
2008-05-29 11:25:22 AM  
what_now: No.

You also can't wear a cap and gown to a boot camp graduation.

Stop being an attention whore. You don't HAVE to go to graduation, and if you do, you wear what they want you to.


As much as I hate this, THIS.

Thread over. No more post will be allowed.

/If only I had that power.
 
2008-05-29 11:25:39 AM  
xtex:
Although now that the military takes the GED, I don't know why they wouldn't just drop out, get the GED and go in early.


The GED used to carry a stigma with it that could taint your career, if you were of the mind to stay in. That may have changed.
 
2008-05-29 11:27:33 AM  
Students tell school to suck it

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/ R. Lee Ermy agrees
 
2008-05-29 11:37:08 AM  
The school is probably already being bombarded with emails and calls from Freepers when they take a break from sucking on Jim Rob's scrotum.
 
2008-05-29 11:37:51 AM  
what_now: Academic dress is an older tradition than military dress. The cap and gown is a symbol of learning.

One of my neighbors was a student at Cambridge back in... the 50's, IIRC, and he recalls how they still had various events during school itself to which they were required to wear academic robes, so each student owned one (which they never washed).

2008, the university in my town doesn't require "proper academic attire" for anything other than the graduation ceremony (and POSSIBLY a few other awards ceremony type things for high ranking people) so for weeks before the main graduation there are ads in the student paper as well as posted in various places that yes, you must have "proper academic attire" to attend, absolutely no exceptions, and then the contact for renting same. All of the people getting the standard BA/BS rent. I certainly did.

But, you can order your own if you want. It's kinda of neat seeing the faculty at various formal things, because they all do own their own robes with various stripes and funky poofy beanie hats in various colors, it's like something out of "Harry Potter."
 
2008-05-29 11:49:24 AM  
Is there any precedence of schools allowing students in their ROTC programs to wear their uniforms at a graduation?
 
2008-05-29 11:58:36 AM  
Can we please give the same treatment to people who abuse the Hero tag as we do to people who abuse the News Flash tag?
 
2008-05-29 12:07:20 PM  
erewhon: what_now: Academic dress is an older tradition than military dress. The cap and gown is a symbol of learning.

I think you're quite wrong there, but I do think wearing a military uniform to your graduation is inappropriate in several ways.


Military uniforms as a standardized design don't really date further back than the 1700's, mostly because before then it was all-mercenary armies.

As for the students, they are trying to be special. Being in the military does not mean where your uniform everywhere. If you want to lose walking across the stage because you couldn't put on your cap and gown for an hour, then that's your problem, not the schools.
 
2008-05-29 12:10:12 PM  
Army?

figures.

Bunch of morans.
 
2008-05-29 12:12:27 PM  
Pocket Ninja: Is there any precedence of schools allowing students in their ROTC programs to wear their uniforms at a graduation?

None. There is a ROTC graduation ceremony BEFORE the commencement, in most cases. However, ROTC students aren't commissioned officers yet- they have to get through an officer training course. These kids apparently went through boot camp, so they are active duty, so it's not really a fair comparison.

All of the ROTC kids I graduated (college-not HS) with had their uniforms on UNDER their gowns.
 
2008-05-29 12:15:12 PM  
what_now: All of the ROTC kids I graduated (college-not HS) with had their uniforms on UNDER their gowns.

The local university ROTC holds a separate commissioning ceremony on campus for all of the graduating ROTC members, the day after graduation. So they wear normal academic regalia for graduation (campus and departmental) and then the next day have another ceremony where they wear their uniforms. Parents are already in town, and go to all.

Once that thing is over means it's finally summer and all the students and parents finally leave town :)
 
2008-05-29 12:15:37 PM  
GAT_00:
Military uniforms as a standardized design don't really date further back than the 1700's, mostly because before then it was all-mercenary armies.


I think the Romans had that pretty well organized, the Lorica Segmentata effectively functioned as a uniform as far back as the 1st century. But even the Picts fought in woad.

One function of a uniform is to easily distinguish your side, as such, they've been around quite some time.
 
2008-05-29 12:18:50 PM  
what_now:
All of the ROTC kids I graduated (college-not HS) with had their uniforms on UNDER their gowns.


I don't see anything wrong with that, except if you're not wearing the appropriate cover you're not really IN uniform.

I think the kids are making a big stink out of something meaningless: a uniform is inappropriate attire for the function.
 
2008-05-29 12:20:26 PM  
It is inappropriate to wear a military uniform at a civilian function unless you are acting in a military capacity at said function.

The color guard mentioned in the article is the only ceremony at the graduation that would call for wearing a uniform. After CG is done, on go the caps and gowns.

This is why you are not really a Marine or soldier after you complete boot. You still have to do SOI, MCT, or AIT before you EARN the title. Just doing boot does not a warrior make.

/Marine
 
2008-05-29 12:23:46 PM  
what_now: None. There is a ROTC graduation ceremony BEFORE the commencement, in most cases. However, ROTC students aren't commissioned officers yet- they have to get through an officer training course. These kids apparently went through boot camp, so they are active duty, so it's not really a fair comparison.

Then these kids need to STFU and graduate like everybody else.
 
2008-05-29 12:24:09 PM  
Dr.Knockboots: Bunch of morans.

Better Army than ChairForce, Jarheads, or Cum-suckers.
 
2008-05-29 12:24:25 PM  
(pretending that it is a fair comparison, i mean)
 
2008-05-29 12:29:40 PM  
SchlingFo: Dr.Knockboots: Bunch of morans.

Better Army than ChairForce, Jarheads, or Cum-suckers.


If this is going to turn into one of those threads, where you all try to out man each other according to what pretty uniform you have, let me just tell you that I got ALL the badges available as a Brownie.
 
2008-05-29 12:34:45 PM  
what_now: If this is going to turn into one of those threads, where you all try to out man each other according to what pretty uniform you have, let me just tell you that I got ALL the badges available as a Brownie.

Sorry, couldn't resist ;)

I've got the only important badge, anyway.

/Air Assault!!
 
2008-05-29 12:37:07 PM  
SchlingFo:
I've got the only important badge, anyway.

/Air Assault!!


Ah, the cherished "Dope on a Rope"

/kidding
 
2008-05-29 12:38:57 PM  
itazurakko: Wear the gown over the dress blues for the walk across the stage, then take all the family photos in your uniform and attend the after reception in your uniform, if you want.

I've been to weddings where the groom wore his dress uniform (including a gold cummerbund and sword, as this was the US Navy).


That, and military uniforms are accepted in place of a tuxedo just about anywhere a tux would be required. My brother wore his Army dress uniform as part of my wedding party.
 
2008-05-29 12:43:45 PM  
GAT_00:
Military uniforms as a standardized design don't really date further back than the 1700's, mostly because before then it was all-mercenary armies.


Xenophon documents that Greek mercenaries in the Ten Thousand wore issued uniforms consisting of bronze shields, helmets and greaves over a crimson tunic.

There's also some evidence that as far back as the 3rd century BCE the Sumerians issued fringed kilts and standardized cloaks to large organized armies.

I'm pretty sure that Darius' Persian army had an issued uniform as well, although it's probably beating a dead horse to keep dredging up examples.
 
2008-05-29 12:45:09 PM  
Sorry - should be "3rd millennium BCE"

/preview - who needs it
 
2008-05-29 12:45:26 PM  
What a couple of attention whores. If they don't want to follow the school's rules then they don't have to go to graduation.
 
2008-05-29 12:45:42 PM  
erewhon: Ah, the cherished "Dope on a Rope"

Exactly :)
 
2008-05-29 02:37:21 PM  
7of7: Next up, the latex fetishists would like to wear their uniforms to high school graduation.

And the problem is......
 
2008-05-29 02:46:11 PM  
Why can't the public be as rational as Fark?

The follow-up for this (if there is one, DNRTFA) will most likely be "Public responds by flooding school email with 'YA'LL HATE THE TROOPS!!!!!!'"

Ugh.
 
2008-05-29 02:46:23 PM  
Nobody is saying they can't wear their uniforms, what they are saying is that they have to wear the gown and cap, just like everyone else.

Welcome to Democracy, because no matter if you're dirt poor or the spawn of Bill and Melinda Gates, to walk across the stage you have to wear THAT uniform.
 
2008-05-29 02:46:59 PM  
erewhon

I forgot about that early back, but past the Roman Empire, uniforms fell to the wayside for around a thousand years.
 
2008-05-29 02:47:08 PM  
xanadian: 7of7: Next up, the latex fetishists would like to wear their uniforms to high school graduation.

And the problem is......


Obviously you've never seen a Fat Girl Angle Shot (NSFW Link)
 
2008-05-29 02:48:01 PM  
Weidbrewer: Willing to hear their side of the story, but to the high school: Simple rule to cover other organizations who want to make the same requests - if their organization carries the danger of being shot at in the desert of a foreign country, then they can also wear their uniform.

Can I wear my Al Quada dress uniform? (suspenders and dynamite)
 
2008-05-29 02:48:13 PM  
I have to side with the school on this one.
 
2008-05-29 02:48:14 PM  
SchlingFo: what_now: If this is going to turn into one of those threads, where you all try to out man each other according to what pretty uniform you have, let me just tell you that I got ALL the badges available as a Brownie.

Sorry, couldn't resist ;)

I've got the only important badge, anyway.

/Air Assault!!


Pfft... You scared of heights or something?

/Airborne! :)
 
2008-05-29 02:48:32 PM  
Weidbrewer: Willing to hear their side of the story, but to the high school: Simple rule to cover other organizations who want to make the same requests - if their organization carries the danger of being shot at in the desert of a foreign country, then they can also wear their uniform.

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that'll go over well.
 
2008-05-29 02:48:51 PM  
DRTFA
How old are these guys
 
2008-05-29 02:49:13 PM  
Who the hell would want to wear their blues during a non-military function?

Dorks.
 
2008-05-29 02:49:19 PM  
Let's change this, only have it be a story about students who want to wear gay pride sashes or anti-war ribbons, and the school tells them they can't.

Watch as it suddenly becomes "free speech" and "freedom of expression".
 
2008-05-29 02:49:20 PM  
itazurakko: It's kinda of neat seeing the faculty at various formal things, because they all do own their own robes with various stripes and funky poofy beanie hats in various colors, it's like something out of "Harry Potter." "Harry Potter" is like something out of it.

FIXED!!!!
 
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