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2008-05-28 07:16:03 PM
If this is the best the Republicans can do, Obama will win 40 states.
 
2008-05-28 07:16:28 PM
HulkHands: Yup, and now GOP goons are attacking that 89th regiment website asking him if it really is Obama's great uncle. The webmaster told them to go back under the rock they crawled out from, and they began to claim he was a "Sheehan."

Do you have a link for this? It sounds terribly amusing!

By the way, am I the only person in the whole goddamned world who is deeply annoyed that the point Obama was trying to make - the dire need for better mental health care for combat veterans - has been totally lost in this made-up kerfuffle?
 
2008-05-28 07:16:48 PM
Yes, but knowing the difference between Sunnis and Shiites is a little more relevant.
 
2008-05-28 07:17:09 PM
How many stories in your family are between 60% and 100% bullshiat? I'm pretty sure I know about a dozen family stories that wouldn't even make credible mythology. If I happen to repeat one, I don't think that should prevent me from being President (it's the nitrous habit and radical libertarian views that should prevent me from being President).

I spent a great portion of my childhood believing my grandfather was a four-star general in WWII. It wasn't until after his death, when I was 18, that I learned the cold hard truth.
 
2008-05-28 07:18:20 PM
Nemo's Brother: LordJiro: For crying out loud. He misspoke. Getting the name of an infamous concentration camp mixed up with a less well-known one is a non-issue. But the Republicans and Hillary trolls are obsessed with this.

We didn't hear about the sniper fire incident for weeks? Same thing only this time it is "your" guy who lied.


He misspoke, in an unscripted Q&A session. Do you expect him to know the names of every concentration camp off the top of his head? Hillary went with the same story for weeks. Obama corrected himself as soon as he realized the mistake. You honestly don't see a difference?
 
2008-05-28 07:23:23 PM
Building the meme that Obama is a lyer. Like any good campaign strategy, they are taking Obama's strength (that he is generally honest and a good speaker) and turning it on it's head. Just like Kerry and his war record. Classic Rove.

But I doubt this stuff is going to stick. I'll bet that they'll turn to race as their final weapon. And it is even money that it'll work.
 
2008-05-28 07:24:44 PM
What kind of stuff do you want them to know?

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2008-05-28 07:25:16 PM
Building the meme that Obama is a lyer liar.

/ftfms
 
2008-05-28 07:27:55 PM
deeproy: Building the meme that Obama is a lyer liar lyre.
 
2008-05-28 07:30:03 PM
MisterBill: deeproy: Building the meme that Obama is a lyer liar lyre lyor.
 
2008-05-28 07:30:33 PM
It has been pointed out here that "Fact Checker" boy has his own facts wrong, right?

Buchenwald Concentration Camp was in Thuringia, not Lower Saxony.

FORTY BILLION PINOCCHIOS!!!!! OMG!

(In his correction, he brushes off his error and jumps all over Obama's again.)
 
2008-05-28 07:31:43 PM
FTFA: Unfortunately, the story shows that the presumptive Democratic nominee has a poor grasp of European history and geography.

Um, no. Just today the President of the United States told a class of graduating Air Force cadets that Iraq War was equivalent in mission, need and calling to World War II. If you're going to nitpick different horrific Nazi death camp sites, could you at least call out complete galaxies of historical FAIL first?
 
2008-05-28 07:36:06 PM
Yah, it is important to know stuff. Did Subby know the difference between Buchenwald and Aushwitz (which I don't know how to spell)? Because I didn't and I've taken European History courses. Is it really that relevant to today? Aren't current events much more important? Does the difference affect current foreign policy? Do you think Bush or McCain know the difference? White House Press Secretary Dana Perino didn't know what the Cuban Missile Crisis is. Would you consider that more of an important thing to know? Is it important to know about the Iran-Contra affair? Because John McCain glossed over that last week when he said that the Republicans never negotiated with hostile regimes.

My point is, your expectations of politicians are skewed. Is it fine for other politicians to not know these things because they weren't Harvard-educated. Do each of us hold the President to a standard dependent on our own priorities? Should a Holocaust survivor expect the President to know an exceptional amount about the Holocaust? I'm a computer programmer and Obama knew what Bubble Sort was, should I have expected it of him?

Can you answer any of these questions without realizing you're a moron?
 
2008-05-28 07:37:04 PM
What's the stand of any of the candidates on Native issues?
First nation peoples?
You know. Theones living in concentration camps reservations long after the treaties signed by a president treaties signed by a president have been pissed on forgotten?
 
2008-05-28 07:38:03 PM
Meh. Anyone who isn't voting for Obama based on this just plain isn't voting for Obama. This means nothing and changes nothing.
 
2008-05-28 07:41:16 PM
"The same folks that are bombing innocent people in Iraq," he said, "were the ones who attacked us in America on September the 11th, and that's why what happens in Iraq matters to the security here at home."

The famous al qaeda/ Iraq connection

aftermathnews.files.wordpress.com
"It's up to Iran to prove to the world that they're a stabilizing force as opposed to a destabilizing force. After all, this is a government that has proclaimed its desire to build a nuclear weapon," the big lie...repeat it often enough and you start to believe it yourself
 
2008-05-28 07:43:11 PM
Nemo's Brother: This will not make TFers very happy. Of course if when Dan Quayle or GW gaffe, the media is all over them.

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2008-05-28 07:43:15 PM
Oh noes!1!!!!!ONE!!1

Everyone had their fun with Bush's gaffes as well as Hillary's and when it happens to Obama it's not acceptable. All is fair in politics and war. Get over it.
 
2008-05-28 07:45:39 PM
deeproy: Building the meme that Obama is a lyer.

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Yes, we cantata.
 
2008-05-28 07:48:07 PM
evilboyevil: Did Subby know the difference between Buchenwald and Aushwitz (which I don't know how to spell)? Because I didn't and I've taken European History courses. Is it really that relevant to today?

I knew the difference, but I used to be a total World War II nut; I ain't exactly normal.
 
2008-05-28 07:49:23 PM
This dog won't fly. Complaining that he confused Auschwitz with Buchenwald (and the this was a major error) is only going to ruffle the feathers of the ancient members of the VFW. It's going to confuse everyone else.
 
2008-05-28 08:02:04 PM
If his great uncle really did help liberate a concentration camp, any one continuing to complain about this is an idiot. While this does sorta prove that this wasn't the intimate, well-known family story Obama was presenting it as, I would have suspected as much any way.
 
2008-05-28 08:07:20 PM
If this is the best you republicans can do, you're in for a loooonnngggg summer.
 
2008-05-28 08:09:57 PM
You know what? Irritating as this garbage is, I'm glad. I'm this is the only "dirt" they can dig up on the man. It reaffirms my faith in him as a candidate and it convinces me that the GOP are going to have a strenuous uphill battle come November.

Suck it.
 
2008-05-28 08:15:20 PM
Nemo's Brother: This will not make TFers very happy. Of course if when Dan Quayle or GW gaffe, the media is all over them.

We didn't hear about the sniper fire incident for weeks? Same thing only this time it is "your" guy who lied.


that1guy77: Everyone had their fun with Bush's gaffes as well as Hillary's and when it happens to Obama it's not acceptable. All is fair in politics and war. Get over it.

Both posts absolute farking crap, as amply pointed out already.
This shiat, mistaken family mythology/WWII history/geography, in no way compares to HRC baldfacedly claiming to be fired upon in a war zone or GWBs inability to remove his head from his ass let alone know where anything takes or took place at any time without Cheney making something up for him to parrot back to us.

However, what is remarkable to me, is that it seems that there are only 2 major republican dissembling anuses (RDA) in this thread so far, following up the GOP talking points/spreading the smear and disinformation. I remember many, many more back in 2004. Looks like the GOP war chest might be getting a little thin...
 
2008-05-28 08:20:00 PM
Hey GOP?

pics.livejournal.com
 
2008-05-28 08:21:13 PM
Urmuf Hamer:
However, what is remarkable to me, is that it seems that there are only 2 major republican dissembling anuses (RDA) in this thread so far, following up the GOP talking points/spreading the smear and disinformation. I remember many, many more back in 2004. Looks like the GOP war chest might be getting a little thin...


So uhh... Let me get this straight. Making the point that all candidates in the limelight must face criticism and bashing makes me a republican?

Double-dumbass on you, flame-tard trolling biatch.
 
2008-05-28 08:23:42 PM
My Grandfather and Great Uncle fought in WWII. I barely know where. My dad has shown me a German Luger that he told me my Great Uncle took off a dead officer at Normandy. I don't have any reason to doubt him, but how do that it's true?
 
2008-05-28 08:25:03 PM
So, to a Hillary supporter, or as we call them, Republicans, a story that is true but the name is wrong is exactly the same thing as a story that is embellished with faulty claims of bravado.
This certainly explains their belief that Hillary can still win the nomination.
 
2008-05-28 08:25:27 PM
WFern: You know what? Irritating as this garbage is, I'm glad. I'm this is the only "dirt" they can dig up on the man. It reaffirms my faith in him as a candidate and it convinces me that the GOP are going to have a strenuous uphill battle come November.

Suck it.


To be fair, "they" really didn't have to "dig" this dirt up...Barry vomited it all up on his own here. If this is what you think "digging" entails, you might need to rethink your use of the phrase "strenuous uphill battle". You are being way too overoptimistic that the GOP (and I wouldn't put it past Hillary and/or her wackos either) has finished "digging" dirt on Barry.

And hey, don't all concentration camps and uncles look the same?

Misspoke...my ass...he "embellished"...
 
2008-05-28 08:31:45 PM
My grandfather fought in WWII, he was some sort of aircraft mechanic, but somewhere along the line he had something to do with the liberation of some concentration camp, but because it's not something he every really talked about, that's all I know. He had photo albums of pictures that someone else he knew took at one of the concentration camps, once when I was a kid and my family visited my grandparents he took those out, I wasn't allowed to even see most of them--the ones that I was allowed to see were far worse than I'd seen on WWII documentaries, and the others were worse. I suppose I must be lying because I couldn't tell you what concentration camp it was or what role my grandfather played.

It's making mountains out of mole hills, and it's shameful that they're denigrating true family history because he got details wrong since it was something that was so traumatic nobody liked to talk about it much.
 
2008-05-28 08:33:47 PM
that1guy77: Everyone had their fun with Bush's gaffes as well as Hillary's and when it happens to Obama it's not acceptable.

So uhh... Let me get this straight. Making the point that all candidates in the limelight must face criticism and bashing makes me a republican?

Double-dumbass on you, flame-tard trolling biatch.


No, shiatpump, what makes the post exactly what GOP disinformation wants it to be is that you equated some Obama's mistake with the other's unspecified gaffes, and as I clearly pointed out, they are not. Thereby the effect of your post is to paint "all politicians the same", a nice little bit of tried and true voter discouragement falsehood.

Nowhere did I say you were a Republican, an accusation far to vile to include in a Fark forum. Rather, I implied you were a whore for the republicans. And based on your protestations of innocence, perhaps one too stupid to insist on being paid.
 
2008-05-28 08:38:17 PM
Misspoke...my ass...he "embellished"...

OMG!!11eleventy!! He used the more well-known name of a concentration camp when he was talking about the WWII service his great uncle whom he probably never even knew!!LOL!! Is this the man you want as President??!!11!!

Embellishment would be something along the lines of "my great uncle single-handedly fought Hitler in a winnner-take-all battle royale cage match." Camp A instead of Camp B hardly qualifies. Meanwhile Math wiz Hillary and John "Shiite" McCain are the better candidates because of it, right?
 
2008-05-28 08:39:30 PM
No it's okay. Just let BO keep talking.
 
2008-05-28 08:50:34 PM
evilboyevil: My point is, your expectations of politicians are skewed. Is it fine for other politicians to not know these things because they weren't Harvard-educated. Do each of us hold the President to a standard dependent on our own priorities? Should a Holocaust survivor expect the President to know an exceptional amount about the Holocaust? I'm a computer programmer and Obama knew what Bubble Sort was, should I have expected it of him?

I demand my leader know the proper MH/OH DPS, Hit Rating and Critical Strike Percentage that an Enhancement Shaman needs going into Serpentshrine Cavern. Anyone who doesn't know that is a moron!

/Seriously.
//Not seriously.
///Slashie.
Not so Slashie.
 
jba
2008-05-28 08:57:43 PM
quickdraw: So a mildly interesting comment about one of Obama's relatives that subtly reinforces his Merican cred has been elevated to a Repub desperation talking point - thereby insuring that thousands of people who would never have heard the original speech will now know that Obama's uncle fought the Nazi's.

What have we had out of this 3, 4 greenlights?

Gawd everything they try to throw against him he turns to his advantage.


^^^^ exactly. Obama jujitsu and he didn't even have to try.
 
2008-05-28 09:01:13 PM
burndtdan: he didn't even misspeak. it looks like some people in the media need to visit conjunction junction.

Uh, his own aides said he misspoke. But don't let that get in the way of sucking his cock.
 
2008-05-28 09:09:35 PM
Lord_Baull: ...Meanwhile Math wiz Hillary and John "Shiite" McCain are the better candidates because of it, right?

Did I say that either of them are better candidates than Barry, or is that you "embellishing" upon my comments?

Come on man, if they were really called "Camp A" and "Camp B" you could write it off as a mistake...but they were freaking Auschwitz and Ohrdruf...they don't even sound the same, they aren't even in the same country (Poland vs. Germany), they aren't even the same language (Polish vs. German). Barry got caught telling a little bitty lie...based on a semblance of truth (unlike one of his rivals)...but he streched one for the cameras (using the more infamous Auschwitz camp) and that damn history book caught him on it.
 
2008-05-28 09:15:33 PM
Because it's not entirely possible that his great uncle told him a story 40 friggin years ago, and in the retelling, he used a name most Americans know because he didn't remember the actual name.

I wonder how many farkers here told a story and, in the middle, were elbowed in the ribs by their spouses and corrected. None, right? We've all told stories exactly as they happened with no fill-in-the-blanks, I'm sure.
 
2008-05-28 09:25:53 PM
Urmuf Hamer: that1guy77: Everyone had their fun with Bush's gaffes as well as Hillary's and when it happens to Obama it's not acceptable.

So uhh... Let me get this straight. Making the point that all candidates in the limelight must face criticism and bashing makes me a republican?

Double-dumbass on you, flame-tard trolling biatch.

No, shiatpump, what makes the post exactly what GOP disinformation wants it to be is that you equated some Obama's mistake with the other's unspecified gaffes, and as I clearly pointed out, they are not. Thereby the effect of your post is to paint "all politicians the same", a nice little bit of tried and true voter discouragement falsehood.

Nowhere did I say you were a Republican, an accusation far to vile to include in a Fark forum. Rather, I implied you were a whore for the republicans. And based on your protestations of innocence, perhaps one too stupid to insist on being paid.


Oh really, shiathead?

Who gives a flying fark if any gaffes are left unspecified or not. The point was purposely left general so people can pick and choose what they best recollect. Either way, you're too far out in the extreme to believe anything can be explained simply so you're dissatisfied with anything less than some foolish conspiracy. You know that... and you also know you farked up but your pride/God complex is apparently blocking your view.

Done with you.

DIAF, kthxbye.

I leave you with this quote:

Urmuf Hamer:
However, what is remarkable to me, is that it seems that there are only 2 major republican dissembling anuses (RDA) in this thread so far, following up the GOP talking points/spreading the smear and disinformation. I remember many, many more back in 2004. Looks like the GOP war chest might be getting a little thin...

Triple-dumbass on you.
 
2008-05-28 09:38:28 PM
If Obama were an ass, he'd intentionally drop these gaffes, each more ridiculous than the last, just to see if the Cheesecake and RNC folk would jump on them.

"My uncle was with the Visigoths when they sacked Rome!"

"Ha! Your uncle has never even been to Rome!"
 
2008-05-28 09:38:52 PM
Nemo's Brother: We didn't hear about the sniper fire incident for weeks? Same thing only this time it is "your" guy who lied.

You are really dumb. I'd explain why, but it's doubtful that you'd understand.
 
2008-05-28 09:46:19 PM
Mentat: If Obama were an ass, he'd intentionally drop these gaffes, each more ridiculous than the last, just to see if the Cheesecake and RNC folk would jump on them.

"My uncle was with the Visigoths when they sacked Rome!"

"Ha! Your uncle has never even been to Rome!"


Brilliant! He should so set them up, they'd fall for it every time.
 
2008-05-28 09:47:38 PM
that1guy77: The point was purposely left general so people can pick and choose what they best recollect.

And this was exactly what I was pointing out. The net effect of that sort of posting is to put people off politics, leaving the governance of our nation to a few select assholes. You may not know you are doing it, but this is a well documented and much discussed tactic of the GOP. The fewer people that participate, the more of them by percentage that can be republican.

In other words, again, without calling you a republican or an anus though not excluding that you may be either or both, if you are not partisan GOP, you are spouting diatribe at least convenient to their purpose, and identical to historical GOP tactics.

So, what was your purpose? Just to gloat that Obama had made a mistake? And your purpose, after doing so, in denying being a republican? All up and offended like some ignorant biatch caught out at their game?

Since you're all 'DIAF' and 'kthxbye', I am all "Get a clue moran" right back atcha
 
2008-05-28 09:57:38 PM
From TFA:

Is it too much to ask that an aspiring commander-in-chief knows (1) that Auschwitz (like many of the other Nazi death camps) is in Poland, and (2) that the eastern advance of the U.S. Army in World War II stopped on the river Elbe? Let me know what you think.

Jesus Christ man, I'm willing to bet that before you started researching it you didn't know either. Plus, it's not like he made up the Uncle. Every single fact of the story is true except the location where it happened.

Such desperation... I think it's safe to say the GOP have conceded this election already.
 
2008-05-28 10:03:05 PM
MrGMan: Lord_Baull: ...Meanwhile Math wiz Hillary and John "Shiite" McCain are the better candidates because of it, right?

Did I say that either of them are better candidates than Barry, or is that you "embellishing" upon my comments?

Come on man, if they were really called "Camp A" and "Camp B" you could write it off as a mistake...but they were freaking Auschwitz and Ohrdruf...they don't even sound the same, they aren't even in the same country (Poland vs. Germany), they aren't even the same language (Polish vs. German). Barry got caught telling a little bitty lie...based on a semblance of truth (unlike one of his rivals)...but he streched one for the cameras (using the more infamous Auschwitz camp) and that damn history book caught him on it.


CS?
 
2008-05-28 10:05:25 PM
Mentat: If Obama were an ass, he'd intentionally drop these gaffes, each more ridiculous than the last, just to see if the Cheesecake and RNC folk would jump on them.

"My uncle was with the Visigoths when they sacked Rome!"

"Ha! Your uncle has never even been to Rome!"


ive been thinking this also... a well placed "gotcha" would do wonders to point out old politics
 
2008-05-28 10:12:58 PM
MrGMan: Come on man, if they were really called "Camp A" and "Camp B" you could write it off as a mistake...but they were freaking Auschwitz and Ohrdruf...they don't even sound the same, they aren't even in the same country (Poland vs. Germany), they aren't even the same language (Polish vs. German). Barry got caught telling a little bitty lie...based on a semblance of truth (unlike one of his rivals)...but he streched one for the cameras (using the more infamous Auschwitz camp) and that damn history book caught him on it.

Are you farking kidding me? Are you seriously arguing that this was an intentional lie? Are you seriously trying to say that Obama intentionally told people his relative liberated Auschwitz because if he told them that he actually liberated Buchenwald-Ohrduf they'd laugh at him or something?

Get off the farking drugs, man.

Like I said before, if I ever end up attacking McCain for saying something like "my father was in charge of attacking Okinawa" when in actuality his father was in charge of attacking Guam, and I was trying to pass that off as a serious misstatement, then I would have to go stick my head in an oven to put myself out of my misery.

This is the most inconsequential of inconsequential flubs of this political season.
 
2008-05-28 10:20:13 PM
I know quite a bit about the history of World War II, but I would not have recalled that Auschwitz was liberated by the Russians unless reminded. I doubt that many commentators on this total non-issue would have either. You all talk like you know a lot. You don't. You're just embroidering on information that came out because of the remark.
 
2008-05-28 10:21:15 PM
Guy Innagorillasuit: Like the difference between Shiite and Sunni? Or do you mean important stuff like who did what in WWII?


Or that they don't speak Arabic in Afghanistan?
 
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