Damn, busted. . . oh and phurt phozt

*looks around*


Nope, she's not talking about me......*whistles*

angry? no, why?

Worked as a bouncer in a strip bar for awhile.
The gal speaks alot of truth!
Of course, there's the young guys out for a good time, but alot of them buy into the fantasy world, too.

Sounds like a psychiatrist

if she can't put up with it, maybe she should look into a career change?

If ever there was a need for the IRONIC tag, this is it. A stripper bemoaning the fact that some of her customers are "dysfunctional."

One of the three holy vows I have taken in life is to never, ever, or even ever set foot in a tittibar. I'm pretty damn sure I'm sticking to it. Can't discuss the other two.

"My clients are all leery, needy, hostile, angry, creepy and ultimately dysfunctional,"


I have done a LOT of research in this field. This stripper sums it up nicely.

In college, many friends did the bartending thing to make it through school. We went barhopping with the strippers. It appeared to be stressful and hard work, yet a lot of fun.

Yes......, and ??

Why do so many strippers insist they are working their way through college? Isn't it kind of hard to get to class at 9:00 am when you're wiggling your ass 6 nights a week?

Peter_Veal : So you're ranting about hookers and strippers in front of your children?

It is useful to be reminded that the fantasy women we think about don't really exist. The closest a man can come to his fantasy is to ask or pay someone to pretend for a short while, but all the while the fanasty woman is a real person with thought and emotion.

And yes, they are probably secretly laughing at you, or are filled with disgust. And rightly so.

Alright, I probably have more experience with strippers and strip clubs than everyone here put together. Now...before I get a barrage of pre-judgments thrown at me, as you have so gracefully bestowed on the world of strippers, I would like to make this statement:

I'm a firm believer in the concept of "Stereotypes exist for a reason." It is true, that a LOT of strippers are sad, disheveled Coke/E whores willing to sell their a$$ for a whatever amount of money gets them their next high. And it is true, most strip-club customers are sad...sad...sad...low-life's of society who live in a fantasy world that these girls *actually* give a sh*t about them, because if they didn't have that left in their life...they might as well hang themselves or jump of a bridge as far as they're concerned. Most of these guys have been delt a pretty sh*tty hand, and lack a strong enough character to get through it as well as others might have.

So yeah - in most respects a lot of your statements are true. But as with anything in this world, there are exceptions. I've known quite a few strippers who "break-the-mold" so to speak. I've met very intelligent, beautiful strippers, with a good head on their shoulders, who are doing what they're doing for some of their own unique reasons.

The reason why I can speak from experience is that I've been involved in a relationship with a woman for nearly a year now, and one of her jobs happens to be at the local titty-bar. She's an amazing woman, who speaks over 8 languages fluently, and graduated valedictorian of her high school class. We've been practically living together for a while now, and as a result I've seen a loooot of things which opened my eyes to the world of stripping. I've often gone to the club she works at to go see her shake her money-maker, and it's a lot of fun :) So yeah, consider me a low-life creature of the sewer of you'd like, and call my girlfriend a trail-trash-ho if it makes you feel better. I just wanted to offer you folks a different perspective on things, just as a reminder that there are exceptions to every stereotype/rule in this world.

Sobek, you forgot to put "a very special" in front of your post.

The closest a man can come to his fantasy is to ask or pay someone to pretend for a short while, but all the while the fanasty woman is a real person with thought and emotion.


Well, that's just damned unfortunate, now isn't it? I would not have even had my mind clouded like that if there weren't those exploitive nekkid boobs in my face. Thanks to you, i see the errors of my ways, and am now playing catch in the backyard with my kids and re-evaluating my chauvanistic nature.

BALEEETED!

Speaks 8 languages fluently, eh?

That's pretty close to the maximum linguistic capacity ever demonstrated by a human being anywhere.

Pretty impressive.

Grizzly: I'm not trying to be a smartass, here, but the obvious question is, if your girlfriend speaks over 8 languages fluently, and graduated valedictorian of her high school class, why is she working at a strip club?

grizzly -- i'm in the same boat dude. and you're spot on. the same poor bastards bemoaning these girls are the same ones that go in to the clubs and honestly believe every word they tell them.

and are completely oblivious to the fact that THEY'RE the ones being exploited ... because they're coughing up their money to a girl they'll never get.

No joke, someone who speaks eight languages fluently should be able to write her own ticket.

Desertfoxg said:
Speaks 8 languages fluently, eh?
That's pretty close to the maximum linguistic capacity ever demonstrated by a human being anywhere.
Pretty impressive.

During her childhood she lived all over Europe and throughout the middle east. You don't have much choice but to learn the language of the land when you're there, and she just happens to have one of the quickest minds I know, particularly when it comes to picking up languages. Some people are just linguistically inclined. A good friend of mine in high school learned 4 different languages fluently in 4 years. She won some national award as recognition, and rightfully so. I'm HORRIBLE at learning other languages, believe me I've tried, lol.

I'm not sure what you mean by "maximum linguistic capacity," as I've never once heard of such a thing. I'd be interested to see some scientific studies or documentation on that one. From what I've seen and read the human brain is capable of retaining more data than any hard drive known to man. I've never heard of any theoretical limit to learning. The only problem is training your brain to be able to retrieve that information when you need it. Some people are just better at that than others.

"She was working at a topless place,
and I stopped in for a beer.
I just kept looking at the side of her face,
in the spotlight so clear.
Later on the crowd thinned out,
and I was just about to do the same,
when she's standing there at the back of my chair,
saying "Don't I know your name"?
While I muttered something underneath my breath
she studied the lines on my face.
I must admit I felt a little uneasy when she bent down
and tied the laces
of my shoe.
Tangled up in blue"
*B.Dylan

20/20 said:
Grizzly: I'm not trying to be a smartass, here, but the obvious question is, if your girlfriend speaks over 8 languages fluently, and graduated valedictorian of her high school class, why is she working at a strip club?

I should've expected that one :) Honestly, ALOT of people read Fark, and if I give away any further personal information about her at this point I'd fear that SOMEONE on this earth would read this and know who I'm talking about, which is something I'd rather avoid. So, in an effort to keep the walls of privacy up, let me just say she's in a VERY unqiue situation which doesn't allow her to work "normal" jobs in the United States. Any job that demands a real background checks, and a real tax forms simply won't do for her at this point. I'll have to leave it at that.

defensive are we?

her words hit a little close to home, hm?

I wasn't calling you a liar or suspect or anything. Just saying, that's pretty impressive. I'm just working on German, end game plan is English, French, German, Mandarin.

And as to the maximum capacity thing, I've been told by my linguistics prof most people lose fluency in a previous language if they start to learn too many languages over 8, and heard it elsewhere. (I doubt it's a hard cap; it's probably subjective)

Peace, Grizzly. My mistake. Roberta only speaks seven languages: Italian, French, Spanish, English, Russian,
Polish, and German.

Ciao!

A lot of languages are pretty similar (latin base)

I'm sorry, but I am with Desert Fox on this-- 8 languages is bullshiat. I am sure she can hear, and is conversational in 8, but fluent? No. Hell, I can order dinner and get a taxi, hotel, and comment on the weather in maybe 10 languages, but that's about it. Anyone fluent in over 4 languages is pretty much guaranteed a salary of $150K-- and there's no problem in getting a green card.

Sorry, Grizz-- you've admitted to sucking at languages yourself, so I doubt you would have any way to verify this. (Trust me, my old girlfriend thought I was fluent in 5-6 languages, when in truth it's more like 3, with a few owrds in another 5...)

Desertfoxg said:
I wasn't calling you a liar or suspect or anything. Just saying, that's pretty impressive. I'm just working on German, end game plan is English, French, German, Mandarin.

And as to the maximum capacity thing, I've been told by my linguistics prof most people lose fluency in a previous language if they start to learn too many languages over 8, and heard it elsewhere. (I doubt it's a hard cap; it's probably subjective)

Yeah I know, I hear ya bro. What you say makes a lot of sense. Good luck with your language-quest too, I *really* wish I would do that someday.

I think the biggest thing that helped her is that her primary language is one of the most difficult languages on this planet (or so I've been told), so these other European and Middle Eastern dialects are childs-play as far as her brain is concerned.

'berta was a USA 97E, (E-5) for those of you who know what THAT is. She was fluent in seven languages. She was making just over the poverty level back in 1997. No idea what she is doing or where she is now.

NEXT!!

Anyone who can make "childs-play" out of speaking 8 different languages--fluently yet--should be working for the NSA or CIA. Not a strip club. Then again, maybe she is.

G0dzilla said:
Sorry, Grizz-- you've admitted to sucking at languages yourself, so I doubt you would have any way to verify this. (Trust me, my old girlfriend thought I was fluent in 5-6 languages, when in truth it's more like 3, with a few owrds in another 5...)

You might be right, I don't feel as if I have a true knowledge of what the word "fluent" really means. I could be mistaken, but I'm fairly sure she's claims fluency in most of the languages she knows, who's number is not limited to eight. Eight is just a rough-estimate on the number languages she knows best.

In my own defense, I've travelled to 6 different European countries over the past 5 years or so, and each time I had *some* experience in speaking other languages. I still sucked at it, but I do feel like I have *some* understanding of the difference between being able to communicate, and being able to "fluently" communicate with others. My understanding of this is most likely not as deep or clearly-defined as yours though.

As to why someone could speak eight languages and work as a stripper--well, maybe she's an arts graduate, and it's either that or "You want fries with that?"

Hahahha, and Stealthdozer, her name is not "Roberta," though by the sounds of it these two should get together sometime, lol.

Sounds very cloak and dagger, Grizzly. An interesting situation, I'm sure.

What was the guy doing carrying stones into a strip club?

No worries, Grizzly. I figured that out on my own. I am not as stupid as I look, how could I be?

Ciao!

Peter_Veal So...you're exactly the type she's talking about, you say?

Not all men who go to strip clubs are like that, and not all strippers are like that.

Perhaps you should try actually visting a strip club sometime?

Meta said:
As to why someone could speak eight languages and work as a stripper--well, maybe she's an arts graduate, and it's either that or "You want fries with that?"

Rofl...I was *this* close to going to art school back in the day. I have friends who actually went through with it. And yes - they're all unemployed and living with their parents. I think art schools should have some sort of disclaimer like, "You're here to further develop your artistic abilities, but if you want to feed yourself someday you might want to take night classes at the local tech-insitute."

Or work in a strip club.

lol, good one :)

Posts conspicuously devoid of female input...

I'm from Canada, so I've got English and French. Being of Jewish upbringing gives me enough Hebrew to manage, but not anything like "fluency" as I understand the term.
Living in Taiwan has given me basic daily operating Mandarin - better at speaking than listening (and a few choice ways to curse in Taiwanese...but if we're counting ways to say "Yo mama" I've got 8 languages beat all to hell).
I can order a beer in Spanish, Portugese, Akfrikaans, German, Cantonese, Australian (trust me...in some places it really IS another language...which reminds me...I speak Newfie, too), Italian, Malay and Japanese.
To hell with the NSA...where do I apply for a job in a tittie bar?

I think the argument hinges on the term "fluently". The ability to function in simple daily interactions is not fluency. In ESL terms, that would termed a novice speaker.

People who do not speak the language tend to view any ability to function in that tongue as "fluency".

Nevertheless, and in Grizz's defence, I have students who are fluent in Japanese, Mandarin, Taiwanese and English. Some of these kids are as young as 12. A couple of those have tapped me for basic French lessons. The interesting thing is this - their very strong abilities in English (the only latin based language they've experienced) has given them the ability to process French much more quickly, both in terms of the vocabulary (which offers certain obvious similarities) and the structure of the spoken language.
Children have a much greater facility for language acquisition than adults, that much is beyond question.
If Griz's gf was raised in Europe and the Middle East, that would offer exposure to two diverse language structures. Having an operating ability in 8 languages does not seem far-fetched to me at all.
I know people who have achieved functioning levels of English, French, German, Italian, Lebanese, Arabic, Farsi, and Hebrew. Fluency? No. But functional appears fluent to people who don't speak any at all.

Now...I must get back to my chair by the stage. The floor show is about to start and I want to get all my $1.00 folded properly.

/babelfish

Um, isn't that pretty much the point of strip clubs? It's a place for men to go to leer at women. Not entirely socially acceptable, but far more so than say, leering at women in the local grocery store. The fact that they're buying into the fantasy that the strippers actually like them means that it's working. Good job, titty bar.

/female input

The interesting thing is this - their very strong abilities in English (the only latin based language they've experienced) has given them the ability to process French much more quickly, both in terms of the vocabulary (which offers certain obvious similarities) and the structure of the spoken language.

Um... hate to break this to you... but English is a Germanic language.

DOOM said:
Um... hate to break this to you... but English is a Germanic language.

I'm no expert - but I think you're both right. I thought I was once told that English has a lot of Germanic roots, and they BOTH have their most primitive roots in Latin. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Good God, you people wandered down a strange topic in this thread.

Anyhow, back to the article... that stripper pissed me off. People that think they are above their station, superior to everyone around them really, REALLY upset me. In 10 years when she's starting to get old and sag and no club wants her she'll be begging for the attention she's getting now. This lady needs to remember that her current job can be filled by any dumb blonde willing to take off her clothes. Not exactly a tough position to fill. So get off your high horse and stop talking trash about the guys that fund your lifestyle.

It's just like those idiots who work at fast food places that constantly make fun of the customers. Hello!! You work at a fast food dive, it's not like you have any room to talk. G.

English is made up of a variety of languages (remember from "History of the English Language" 20 years ago), there is a lot of French (we don't eat pig and cow, we eat pork and beef), German, Latin but surprisingly Dutch is the most common source of english words.

Here's a short summation of the history of English:

http://www.m-w.com/about/look.htm

Did you know that the French invaded England in 1066? I learned about it in a porno, of all places (Taboo, great flick).

English and French are more similar than you think. It's very common for a foreign person who knows English and French as second languages to accidentally jump into French while speaking English, and vice-versa.

I guess it's just who you ask, but structure is indeed similar.

Yes, getting back to the topic at hand... ahem...

I don't care what language she speaks, I go for the T&A, not the Q&A.