Debeo Summa Credo: A significantly overweight asthmatic 34-year old with dentures? HOT!

A BJ with her dentures out might be awesome. Anyone have any experience with that sort of thing?

I post on Fark a lot about how much I dislike police officers, and my bad experiences with them. I wanted to toss in here that I actually met an incredibly good cop last night. He pulled me over while I was the DD (I had had one drink 4 hours earlier, so had no alcohol on my breath). He could have pulled me out of the car when I failed to produce an insurance card (it had fallen between the seat and the gear box, couldn't find it), but instead he just made sure I wasn't toasted drunk and he gave me directions to where we was trying to go and let me go on my way, saying his job was to catch people out endangering others.

So I'll eat a tiny bit of crow and say there actually is at least one good cop out there who isn't just trying to meet his (whatever politically correct phrase your district uses for) quota.

Tommy Moo: OK... justice was not exactly served here, but before we all go and make a martyr out of this MOTY candidate, does anyone else wonder if maybe she shouldn't have been driving on Vicodin? Especially given that it was the first pill she took, she had no way of knowing how it would affect her ability.

I kind of agree. She just had surgery, why that fark was she driving her kids around? Granted, everything after what the asshat businessman is pure and utter bullshiat, but anytime anyone has surgery, their ass shouldn't drive for at least the rest of the day. Get a friend, SO, call a taxi... surgery usually includes some type of anesthesia, so better to play it safe.

Tommy Moo: Especially given that it was the first pill she took, she had no way of knowing how it would affect her ability.

If only there was a warning on the bottle. Plus, what Arizona housewife has never taken vicodin before?

She's driving while impaired with an innocent child in the back seat and everyone's worried about her "rights"

What about the kid's right now to get killed by his hydrocodone taking mommy. Or the people in another car that she could have hit running the stop sign. Or the pedestrian that could have been crossing the street.

Don't farking drive on Hydrocodone. And if the cops stop you, take your farking lumps, pay the farking fine and thank God you didn't kill anyone, especially your own child.

She was obviously intoxicated due to the combination of he drugs and alcohol. Cry me a river.

This is what being a busy body asshat gets you. We all suffer because of you. Knock it off already.

FitzShivering: I post on Fark a lot about how much I dislike police officers, and my bad experiences with them. I wanted to toss in here that I actually met an incredibly good cop last night. He pulled me over while I was the DD (I had had one drink 4 hours earlier, so had no alcohol on my breath). He could have pulled me out of the car when I failed to produce an insurance card (it had fallen between the seat and the gear box, couldn't find it), but instead he just made sure I wasn't toasted drunk and he gave me directions to where we was trying to go and let me go on my way, saying his job was to catch people out endangering others.

So I'll eat a tiny bit of crow and say there actually is at least one good cop out there who isn't just trying to meet his (whatever politically correct phrase your district uses for) quota.
For every good one, there's one like the guy who pulled me over. I was DDing (in the truest sense of the word - nothing to drink in over 24 hours) and got pulled over. I asked why the officer pulled me over, it was because he "had trouble reading my license" - which is why he had me do the "follow my finger" test and say "how much have you been drinking"...

whitman00: She's driving while impaired with an innocent child in the back seat and everyone's worried about her "rights"

I dont think anyone here (seriously) advocates drunk driving, theyre just strong opponents of people being arrested / harassed over marginal offenses.

Macular Degenerate: Never agree to a field sobriety test...they are highly unreliable

Actually, the Horizontal Gaze Nystagmus and the Walk-and-Turn, used in conjunction, are about 80% accurate in determining a BAC of 0.10 or higher. The accuracy of determining 0.08+ is even better.

There is no data for how accurate all three standard field sobriety tests combined are, but it must be over 80%, so calling them unreliable is ridiculous.

That low-sugar gum in the blisterpacks will give you 0.02 BAC if you chew it right before they breathalyze you. That's why I think it's amusing when I see people pop 3-4 pieces before leaving a bar -- it's gonna make the BAC *worse* because of the sugar alcohols in it.

Try it out yourself.

/has a portable breathlyzer so i can make sure i'm not doing something stupid
//too many close calls
///Alcohawk

You know who ELSE is from Arizona?

Sounds like her real crime was NOT blowing the cop as he requested.

real shaman: Macular Degenerate: People are stupid about traffic stops. They blab about all their transgressions not realizing that EVERYTHING that is said is used against them, and will probably be inflated and exaggerated.

1. Answer every question to the negative
2. Volunteer no information
3. Never agree to a field sobriety test or a breathalyzer - they are highly unreliable and/or officers are trained to make people fail. Demand a blood test. If you really *are* farked up you probably deserve to get busted. But taking a stand against police erosion of privacy, even if it means a towing charge, is a small price to pay to protect your civil rights.

And if you are drunk, do not talk... period. Ask for your lawyer. Do not take field tests... do not blow.... ask for your lawyer. when the cop tells you blah blah blah license blah blah blah, ask for your lawyer.

You will probably lose your license for a year for refusing the tests. That is still better than a DUI.

It would be best if you never drove drunk, but as this is fark, that option is not realistic.

I agree. I was pulled over and charged with a DWI. Before everyone jumps on me, yes I was drinking {barely over .08 at the police station}. But the a-hole cop was saying crap trying to get me wound up so I could say something back. When I got the police report for my lawyer, he made up all kinds of lies. Said I was "uncooperative and agressive" among other things. The lawyer said that's about what he says in all the cases he was involved in. Of course they're gonna believe the officer, because he wouldn't lie would he? And if you're reading this & think i'm a cop basher, I have a brother in law enforcement.

So she got a DUI for mixing booze and pills?

You want that car pointed at you?

Failing_Junk: She was obviously intoxicated due to the combination of he drugs and alcohol. Cry me a river.

THIS. IIRC, first chance she got in the car, she broke a traffic law. In Georgia, she'd be charged with DUI alcohol less safe, DUI Drug less safe, and DUI combined alc/drug less safe...and she'd get convicted of at least one.

" She said she'd taken one hydrocodone pill..."
" Sifford volunteered that she'd taken a Vicodin earlier in the day... "

See the problem here? If you're ever pulled over - STFU!

It's the same problem in both cases - too much talking equals getting raked by the justice system.

But - I agree that both were stupid for driving while on pain medication. Yes, they were impaired. No, they were not drunk. But there is no such thing as accurate impairment testing.

boobsrgood: So she got a DUI for mixing booze and pills?

You want that car pointed at you?

RTFA dumbass, if you can.

brigid_fitch: Not volunteering info is NOT lying. If the cop asks you how much you have to drink, replying, "I don't recall" is not the same as lying. If you say you've only had one or 2, THAT'S volunteering information.


//You are NOT required to do the field test and I suggest if any cop asks you to comply, you lawyer up right then & there.
///Field tests are designed to make most people fail. How many of you can stand on one leg w/the other raised at a 90-degree angle for 1 minute in the BEST of times? Then take into account that you're nervous about being pulled over, it's probably late at night & you're tired, etc.

If one actually does recall but says they don't, that is lying.

One has no right to a lawyer during a traffic stop, so they can ask for one all you want; the police officer will just ignore them.

Lastly, the one-leg stand is easy. My crippled grandma could do it.

vinn01: " She said she'd taken one hydrocodone pill..."
" Sifford volunteered that she'd taken a Vicodin earlier in the day... "

See the problem here? If you're ever pulled over - STFU!

It's the same problem in both cases - too much talking equals getting raked by the justice system.

But - I agree that both were stupid for driving while on pain medication. Yes, they were impaired. No, they were not drunk. But there is no such thing as accurate impairment testing.

Has anyone holding forth here ever taken a farking vicodin? They're not what you're making them out to be - about on a par with benadryl.

whitman00: She's driving while impaired with an innocent child in the back seat and everyone's worried about her "rights"

What about the kid's right now to get killed by his hydrocodone taking mommy. Or the people in another car that she could have hit running the stop sign. Or the pedestrian that could have been crossing the street.

Don't farking drive on Hydrocodone. And if the cops stop you, take your farking lumps, pay the farking fine and thank God you didn't kill anyone, especially your own child.

There was no accident and nobody got killed. What should the penalty be for safe driving?

/asshat
//move to North Korea if you don't like freedom.

black_knight: You know who ELSE is from Arizona?

WOW! That pic is either 15 years old or HEAVILY Photoshopped. McCain looks closer to a corpse than that photo in real life.

I'm shocked!

Shocked, that she didn't try to sue the dentist for not telling her to not drive after the surgery.

Mr. Gunn:
Has anyone holding forth here ever taken a farking vicodin? They're not what you're making them out to be - about on a par with benadryl.

Not necessarily. Every drug affects every person differently. I get more pain relief from Advil than I do Vicodin, but I know some people who get buzzed off it.

Also, it was her FIRST time taking it. She had no idea how it would affect her. Plus, she had half a mimosa. Any 8th grader knows you shouldn't mix pills and alcohol, especially pills you've never taken before.

This woman == FAIL.

real shaman: karlandtanya: hydrocodone/Vicodin is strong stuff!

no.... it is the weakest prescription painkiller on the market.

Agreed. I got some after I had my wisdom teeth pulled. The 800mg Ibuprofen did a better job that that crap.

FTFA: (Reached by phone, Ceballes declined comment and told New Times not to include his name in this story. Then he hung up.)

/That's Steven Ceballes.
//Owner of a commercial landscape company called Horticulture West.
///Steven Ceballes to the white courtesy phone, please

Cereal Fetish: If one actually does recall but says they don't, that is lying.

So we can arrest Alberto Gonzalez for perjury then?

Failing_Junk: She was obviously intoxicated due to the combination of he drugs and alcohol. Cry me a river.

The only thing she did was run a stop sign in a PARKING LOT. Most people treat them like yield signs. If nobody is coming, I'm not stoping for it.

Kurmudgeon: Yeah, worked just like they intended, 12K$ profit for the system.

KaponoFor3: "For the system"? Unless all $12,000 of that money went to the
courthouse or the police force, the only people who profited from this were the
attorneys.

Attorneys who go on to become prosecutors and judges. But you're forgetting
about the paychecks for the judge, prosecutor, bailiff, stenographer, courthouse
janitor, etc all of whom make their living off "The System".

The more people who are charged with BS trumped-up charges like this, the
more money "The System" can extort from tax payers;

Link (Cop Writes 2,400 Traffic Tickets, Scores $21,000 In Overtime)

Well, she is a woman driver. That alone should be enough to warrant getting her off the road.

/And other sites say that Fark is hostile towards females...
//BIE? :(

I live in the Phoenix Arizona metro area and I've had a sub-one year old vehicle hit by a drunk driver, resulting in about $6,800 in damages. However, even I will admit that the DUI laws in Arizona are extremely excessive. Harsh, they should be, as DUI is to be intentionally negligent, but the politicians and Nickel Bag joe arpaio use DUI as their "get tough" straw man/punching bag to show how tough they can be on criminals.

ScubaDude1960: It's time to take every judge, legislator, and law enforcement officer and line them up against a wall.

And that asshole that got all vigilante on a woman having lunch with her kid.

FTFA: Too tired to cook, Wilcutt took 4-year-old John to Mimi's Café, a chain restaurant. She ate soup and a muffin and drank half a mimosa, but the orange juice irritated her mouth, which was raw and sore from the surgery. Feeling dehydrated, she switched to water. The waitress brought her goblet after goblet.

At the very end of the meal, Wilcutt took one hydrocodone pill. She wanted to stop at the mall and get bath salts, a trip she estimated at 10 minutes, max. She figured the pain pill would kick in as she reached her house and settled into the tub.

She didn't realize that Steven Ceballes, the aforementioned businessman, had already made a phone call.

Ceballes is the owner of a commercial landscape company called Horticulture West. Dining with clients, he noticed that Wilcutt was woozy. He suspected alcohol, according to a statement he gave police, so he called the cops. He then followed Wilcutt's minivan to the Chandler Mall to point her out to the officers. (Reached by phone, Ceballes declined comment and told New Times not to include his name in this story. Then he hung up.)


Dude, if she was drunk you would have smelled the booze. If she was THAT farking woozy in your fantastic feat of civil service, why did you not offer her a ride home instead of the cops? I've had serious dental surgery. My dentist won't even let me leave the building without a sober ride. My wife too.

Maybe going to the mall was a bad idea. WITH hydrocodone in her. That's a bit of a "No shiat, really?" move, but this arsehole followed her? He could have done differently and now the woman is in a legal world of hell. If he tracked her like that, he should have just stopped her and taken her keys if she was such a threat.

real shaman: karlandtanya: hydrocodone/Vicodin is strong stuff!

no.... it is the weakest prescription painkiller on the market.

Regardless, it's prescription medication and it says right on the tin not to operate heavy machinery (like a CAR) after using. It is a hell of a step above Naproxen or Acetaminophen.

that's some good police work, lou

The question is, was she driving erratically? According to the guy following her, she was. She was groggy from surgery, she took vicodin, and also drank 1/2 glass a minmosa (not a good mix). Would you feel safe with her driving your kids?

Some of the charges do seem off, I'll grant you that. But this woman is hardly an innocent victim here.

as a lawyer-- kick/replies, etc . . .

as I often say in DUI threads, I think people should usually NOT take the field sobriety tests. It's just an opportunity for the cop to write down that you did badly on them. Plus you'll be nervous and innocent mistakes will be treated as evidence of guilt.

As for the breath test- THAT's a big frickin gamble. (I once was pulled over after drinking nothing- I rebuffed the asshole cop's attempts to make me do the FSTs, figuring if he arrested me I'd happily blow a 0 and then get let go. He backed down and did not arrest me, and I drove about my merry way.)

If you are impaired you should not blow. However, be aware you are very likely to lose your license.

In my state, along with many others, the license is suspended unless you can prove the cop didn't have "probable cause" to think you were under the influence before asking you to blow. PC is a low standard. However, you are entitled to a an administrative hearing on this issue. In my area you can sometimes defeat these by sending the cop a subpoena for the hearing, at which they usually don't show. If they no-show after a subpoena the administrative judge will often rule in the arrested person's favor.

There again, though, if you are subsequently convicted of DUI the license will be suspended.

Crosshair: real shaman: karlandtanya: hydrocodone/Vicodin is strong stuff!

no.... it is the weakest prescription painkiller on the market.

Agreed. I got some after I had my wisdom teeth pulled. The 800mg Ibuprofen did a better job that that crap.

Seconded. Hydrocodone got rid of the headache and she feels better and euphoric, but not in the narcotic sense. Her pain is gone, she's not high, but some asshole chases her into the parking lot and calls 911.

And he's a construction contractor? Ummm guy, I'm glad to hear you have your own personal drug policy, hopefully for your employees as much as you did with some lady having lunch with her kid. You could have left her alone. She wasn't laying down tarpaper or framing for you. She wasn't a terrorist.

Mr. Gunn
Has anyone holding forth here ever taken a farking vicodin? They're not what you're making them out to be - about on a par with benadryl.

Not even close to factual. Benadryl is not a pain reliever, it's an antihistamine, and in higher doeses, a sedative. Vicodin works by blocking pain at the spine and brain. Ibuprofen is an anti-inflammatory and works by blocking chemicals that cause inflammation. The effectiveness of any particular drug is directly releated to the type of injury and the type of pain it produces.