Illidan: I don't follow why this is a good thing. Why did he sign on for the job in the first place if he wasn't willing to do it? If all is accurate and there are no major relevant circumstances, this would fall under the "dishonorable" category to me. The most likely exception: he was simply taking a moral stand against the tactics the campaign preferred.

This article isn't entirely clear on what he originally said. He said he respected Obama as a person and didn't want to be involved in being responsible for making attack ads against Obama. However, he was fine with doing so for any other Democrat who might take the nomination. He said he would step down if Obama got the nomination. As Obama has clinched the pledged delegate lead and is the presumptive nominee, he has done so, and cleared the way for another person who is willing to do attack ads against Obama to do so.

Dishonorable would be to lie about what he planned to do and to remain in the role and attempt to disrupt how McCain wants his campaign to proceed. He was assigned to the role likely due to competency, and he made his reservations known ahead of time. If Obama had not won the nomination, he would still be in the role and likely doing it to the best of his abilities. But he doesn't want to be involved in attack ads - ie, if McCain were not to air ads that attack the character of his opponent, it wouldn't be an issue - which is a decision I can respect.

aerojockey: Oh, please. If an Obama advisor had quit rather than campaign against McCain, you would all be calling him scum of the Earth. You don't care about "honesty", you only care about anything that supports your guy.

If that adviser were in a role where he would be responsible for crafting ads attacking the character of McCain and he did so on the grounds that he respected McCain too much to be responsible for making such ads, then I would respect him for the same reason that I respect this gentleman.

Supporting Obama is excitingly easy once you let yourself believe in hope

Will someone explain what hope is? Hope in what? America? Magic? A black box that produces unlimited- quality- medical care? Emissions-free Unicorns? It's just more farking meaningless platitudes and the same politico bs. Your freedom is irrelevant and your worth comes from the money skimmed out of your wallet or your vote purchased with somebody else's.

This guy does for bullshiat what Stonehenge does for rocks. I almost hope he gets elected because A) McCain's a crazy bastard and B) six months down the road, many of his supporters will be forced to ask themselves, "What hath white guilt wrought?"

It'd just be nice if people could have their political awakenings quietly and privately, without causing the rest of us to suffer for their education. We are so hosed.

McCain gained the loss of a useless advisor...

/gotta weed out the non-hackers

I wonder who will replace him.

Oh wait. No I don't.

Brace for incoming Rove.

The McCain campaign says McKinnon will remain a "major supporter" of the McCain's presidential bid.

Ha ha! Sure he will! Just keep telling yourselves that and it will make it true.

Arcanum: No one can accuse him [McCain] of putting the needs of his political party, or even his political survival, above his principles.

You must have missed this thread (new window) and it's accompanying article.

log_jammin: aerojockey: You yourself are an example, since you took issue with what I said and you clearly wouldn't have if it had been an Obama advisor who quit and I had claimed that people didn't care bout his "honesty", they only cared about something that benefits their guy.

QED

I wrote this today just for guys like you.

If anyone points out the lack of "Hysterical reactions" from "the cult" prior to your comment, claim you said that based on past experience. Then claim that pointing out the lack of "Hysterical reactions" is itself a "Hysterical reaction" just because you "dared to criticize". (new window)

I reads that in another thread. Spot on.

uh,....I read that. Read that. I am not a LOLcat.

oh_noes111: Supporting Obama is excitingly easy once you let yourself believe in hope

Will someone explain what hope is? Hope in what? America? Magic? A black box that produces unlimited- quality- medical care? Emissions-free Unicorns? It's just more farking meaningless platitudes and the same politico bs. Your freedom is irrelevant and your worth comes from the money skimmed out of your wallet or your vote purchased with somebody else's.

This guy does for bullshiat what Stonehenge does for rocks. I almost hope he gets elected because A) McCain's a crazy bastard and B) six months down the road, many of his supporters will be forced to ask themselves, "What hath white guilt wrought?"

It'd just be nice if people could have their political awakenings quietly and privately, without causing the rest of us to suffer for their education. We are so hosed.

His supporters will blame everyone but Obama when things don't pan out right. I'd say the hope is more akin to desperation, and desperate people act desperately. Why people are desperate when historically we Americans lead lives better than one could've hoped for hundreds of years ago really goes to show how weak and lazy we've become. Gas is more expensive, war is going on...damn it's not nearly as bad as it was when we were on the brink of WWII and people in our country were STARVING TO DEATH, which doesn't happen nowadays.

The problem is, I think many Americans are having existential crises for many reasons and Obama's campaign is tapping into it by offering a vague promise of "making things better", when things aren't as bad as people make them out to be. This campaign could not have happened before the rise of mass consumerism and the decline of religion in the US.

Old enough to know better: Class? In MY politics?


It's less likely than you think!

Illidan

YOU ARE NOT PREPARED!

/That was totally unrelated to this thread. For that, I apologize.

Old enough to know better: Class? In MY politics?


It's less likely than you think!Christian Republican Gun Slinger: fark McCain. fark Obama. My black guy is better than your black guy.
/Apollo Creed 08'


Action Jackson would kick Apollo Creed's ass.

Apparently he said this last summer. I'm not quite sure how to reconcile this with work done for Bush - normally I'd go with the "he was okay with business as normal, but not against a politician who refuses to participate", but..

Bush's campaign was a step above "business as normal", even for politics...

fotojenic: YOU ARE NOT PREPARED!

/That was totally unrelated to this thread. For that, I apologize.

GET THEE WOW AWAY FROM ME.

/yes, I recognize that this SN will forever be associated with an MMPORG now
//how could I play a game with all my friends on different servers?

I don't have a favored horse in this race being a bit more Libertarian leaning than anything else.

However, this actually makes me think more highly of McCain. A person is defined by the company he keeps. Would be nice to have a President who surrounds himself with advisers with this sort of character.

Very interesting. Should be interesting to see how Clinton will spin this, and even more interesting to see how the GOP spins it.

aerojockey: Oh, please. If an Obama advisor had quit rather than campaign against McCain, you would all be calling him scum of the Earth. You don't care about "honesty", you only care about anything that supports your guy.

10/10

I am almost afraid Obama will win then do something to let us down, like pull a Bill Clinton, or be hopelessly ineffective in office, like Jimmy Carter. I think Carter was the last outsider to win a presidential election.

DrowningLessons: The Flexecutioner: Getting Barack Obama elected will only pave the way for this guy:

...wait, are you saying because Obama's black he'll pave the way for a retarded black president? Because that's like...wow dude. Wow.

Well, white guys being made presidents did lead to a retarded white guy being the president, so his worries are sort of justified

alfredromeo: I am almost afraid Obama will win then do something to let us down, like pull a Bill Clinton, or be hopelessly ineffective in office, like Jimmy Carter. I think Carter was the last outsider to win a presidential election.

Obama is not a fighter, much like Carter was. I can't see anything other than well-publicized media events in his future should he be elected.

alfredromeo: I think Carter was the last outsider to win a presidential election.

Your last name wouldn't be Romero, would it?

I think Obama will surround himself with the best and the brightest. Hell, just look at his campaign; that thing is a Ferrari compared to the Edsels that McCain and Clinton are lurching around in.

huszar!: Obama is not a fighter, much like Carter was.

He is a fighter, actually. He's just so good at it that you haven't noticed.

Haha, wow.

Good timing that the Daily Show & Colbert Report are repeats this week (I swear people time things for when they're on hiatus.)

Still, classy? No. He worked the ads for George W. Bush's campaigns.

well you have to admire the man. he kept his word.

The Flexecutioner: Getting Barack Obama elected will only pave the way for this guy:

George Bush did that.

log_jammin: aerojockey: You yourself are an example, since you took issue with what I said and you clearly wouldn't have if it had been an Obama advisor who quit and I had claimed that people didn't care bout his "honesty", they only cared about something that benefits their guy.

QED

I wrote this today just for guys like you.

If anyone points out the lack of "Hysterical reactions" from "the cult" prior to your comment, claim you said that based on past experience. Then claim that pointing out the lack of "Hysterical reactions" is itself a "Hysterical reaction" just because you "dared to criticize". (new window)

I love it when people quote their own work.

huszar!: things aren't as bad as people make them out to be

McCain 2008: It's Not As Bad As You Think!

Obaaaaammmmmaaaa...He poops sunshine, burps Beethoven and sweats the sweetest honey. He can cure cancer with a mere glance. If you're ever blessed enough to touch him, you'll never know sorrow again. I have glimped God himself, and He is called Barack.

Empty Signal Gray: Obaaaaammmmmaaaa...He poops sunshine, burps Beethoven and sweats the sweetest honey. He can cure cancer with a mere glance. If you're ever blessed enough to touch him, you'll never know sorrow again. I have glimped God himself, and He is called Barack.

And Chuck Norris shines his shoes. Don't forget that.

Potential McCain campaign slogans:

C'mon, he's black! Vote McCain!

John McCain... his preacher hands out crackers instead of hating crackers.

Did you see Deep Impact?

Once you go black, you cannot go back... for another four years!

Obama rhymes with Osama!

He can cure cancer with a mere glance.

Apparently he can cause it with a mere glance as well. Ask Teddy Kennedy.

malphious: So if this election turns out like his TV show, Obama will win, and choose McCain to be his Secretary of State.

Actually, that doesn't sound half bad.

Secretary of Defense would be better.

Not All That Much: malphious: So if this election turns out like his TV show, Obama will win, and choose McCain to be his Secretary of State.

Actually, that doesn't sound half bad.

Secretary of Defense would be better.

More like Secretary of Geriatrics.

Kevin72: McCain, sec of state. Edwards, atty gen. Blomberg, VP. Hilldawg, sen majority leader.

Is this the "Destroy America Faster" platform?

He added that if Obama were to reach the White House, it "would send a great message to the country and the world."

That America still feels guilty about slavery?

/runs away

furiousxgeorge: McCain should do the same, for his own good.

Look at the plus side for McCain winning in November;

Secret Service agents will have to change his depends, instead of his wife & Senate aides pulling diaper duty.

malphious: Its starting to feel like Aaron Sorkin is writing this election.

West Wing, Season 7, there is a long-serving, elderly Republican candidate (McCain) with extensive foreign policy experience running against a relatively junior Hispanic (half-black) Congressman (Senator) Democratic candidate (Obama), with little to no foreign policy experience. Furthermore, when the Democrats nominate an Hispanic candidate, one of the Republican candidate's aides quits.

So if this election turns out like his TV show, Obama will win, and choose McCain to be his Secretary of State.

Actually, that doesn't sound half bad.

Matt Santos = Barack Obama? It's more likely than you think. (new window)

That is amazing! He said he would do this a long time ago and unlike McCain actaully remembered what he said and followed through on it...

First, let me say an Obama presidency will do more to help race relations in American than probably anything else since the abolition of slavery. But, I'm sorry, it's not going to matter.

This whole thing is all going to seem silly to McKinnon when he wakes up November 5th and finds out how badly Obama was trounced by McCain.

But I hope certain members of the America's African American community remembers McKinnon's gesture while they are deciding whether or not to riot in the streets because Barack lost. More importantly, when Barack doesn't win and goes on TV and is shows he's a very poor loser and starts whining because he didn't get into the white house.

/just you wait, it'll happen

malphious: West Wing, Season 7, there is a long-serving, elderly Republican candidate (McCain) with extensive foreign policy experience running against a relatively junior Hispanic (half-black) Congressman (Senator) Democratic candidate (Obama), with little to no foreign policy experience. Furthermore, when the Democrats nominate an Hispanic candidate, one of the Republican candidate's aides quits.

In fantasyland, does the elder republican with 'extensive foreign policy experience' remember which country is which while on national TV and know the difference between Sunni and Shiite are in the War on Terror? Or do his aides routinely facepalm and go work on their resumes?

Well, that's what McCain gets for his "maverick attitude" instead of picking party loyalists.

/he's a total asshat
//but will still beat Obama

Reuters: Obama over McCain by 10 ^{(^)}
Gallup: Obama is taking Hillary's base. ^{(^)}