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2008-05-20 10:04:44 PM
ozzie_stu: Where was China mentioned in report ?

Oh - yes - China bashing .... I see what you did there.


Actually, I don't think you saw much but rose colors. People are referencing China by reading between the lines as what's going to happen. Everyone and their mother knows China will pick up what we leave behind, even your mother. They've done it in Africa with countries we've shunned because of human rights records and South American countries such as Venezuela. Do you really think they won't have a hungry buyer for natural resources if they decide to tell us STFU & GTFO? I see what you didn't do there.
 
2008-05-20 10:05:11 PM
The United States House of Representatives passed a bill to subject foreign companies to US law? Am I reading this wrong?
 
2008-05-20 10:07:08 PM
 
2008-05-20 10:07:14 PM
We need to do 4 things:

1) Stop buying foriegn oil
2) Start drilling the oil in our own country while using our reserves
3) Come up with a comprehensive and detailed plan to completely remove dependence on oil by a set date
4) Execute on plan

Why is this so hard to understand?
 
2008-05-20 10:08:00 PM
phillydrifter: That's so fake, I just couldn't help but let everyone know, in case they can't see it. It is so obvious to me and should be to everyone else.

/look how the green changes above their heads
//not to mention the piss poor cropping around that goatee


Fake or not it's still good enough to make a point.
 
2008-05-20 10:08:03 PM
jules_siegel: muck4doo: King Abdullah isn't an enemy, and has actually kept oil from being traded in Euro's which would have devestated us further. Keep bashing him though.

He's a peachy keen guy, I'm sure, and Bush should be on his knees instead of on his mouth for all the wonderful things he's done for American citizens and the Constitution and puppies and all.


I take it you got all you need to know out of "hurrrr hurrr house of bush house of saud hurrrr hurrr" for your knowledge of Saudi Arabia and King Abdullah.

/He was Crown Prince Abdullah at the time
 
2008-05-20 10:08:20 PM
This thread is full of WIN!

info.detnews.com
 
2008-05-20 10:09:07 PM
therewasahue: We need to do 4 things:

1) Stop buying foriegn oil
2) Start drilling the oil in our own country while using our reserves
3) Come up with a comprehensive and detailed plan to completely remove dependence on oil by a set date
4) Execute on plan

Why is this so hard to understand?


People make too much money off of us to ever let that happen. Well, unless we take action. By take action I mean... ::no carrier::
 
2008-05-20 10:09:12 PM
China mentioned in headline but not in article. Thread needs more China.
Need More China
 
2008-05-20 10:10:11 PM
noooooooooooooooooo(sad)
 
2008-05-20 10:10:36 PM
Surpheon: Did you read the article? It passed by 324-84. Now, work really hard to think here, how many Republicans are in the House? And where did you find the vote - I see that a freshman D did sponsor the legislation, but I can't find the vote online (yet).

All of them are voting for whatever they think will get the re-elected, just like the farking dems that voted for the Iraq war instead of asking real questions. And dont give me that obama crap, because if he was in a national seat he would have voted for it as well, its easier to be against it if you are local, it wont get the press.
 
2008-05-20 10:10:56 PM
therewasahue: We need to do 4 things:

1) Stop buying foriegn oil
2) Start drilling the oil in our own country while using our reserves
3) Come up with a comprehensive and detailed plan to completely remove dependence on oil by a set date
4) Execute on plan

Why is this so hard to understand?


Everyone wants to do #1.
Republicans want to do #2.
Democrats want to do #3.
We can't do #4 until everyone stops arguing like a bunch of pissy children.

Good luck with that.
 
2008-05-20 10:11:00 PM
earlm: China mentioned in headline but not in article. Thread needs more China.
Need More Chinavagina


FTFY
 
2008-05-20 10:12:07 PM
BUILD SOME REFINERIES IDIOTS!!
 
2008-05-20 10:12:23 PM
Shaggy_C: therewasahue: We need to do 4 things:

1) Stop buying foriegn oil
2) Start drilling the oil in our own country while using our reserves
3) Come up with a comprehensive and detailed plan to completely remove dependence on oil by a set date
4) Execute on plan

Why is this so hard to understand?

Everyone wants to do #1.
Republicans want to do #2.
Democrats want to do #3.
We can't do #4 until everyone stops arguing like a bunch of pissy children.

Good luck with that.


I think that's the first time I've ever completely agreed with one of your posts.
 
2008-05-20 10:12:47 PM
steamingpile: And dont give me that obama crap, because if he was in a national seat he would have voted for it as well, its easier to be against it if you are local, it wont get the press.

He started his campaign for a national seat in January 2003, prior to the Iraq war. Why wasn't he pandering back then, eh?
 
2008-05-20 10:13:10 PM
jonescollectables: BUILD SOME REFINERIES IDIOTS!!

What is there to refine? If we can't get oil......
 
2008-05-20 10:13:29 PM
I favor taxing all foreigners living abroad.
 
2008-05-20 10:13:41 PM
muck4doo: I think that's the first time I've ever completely agreed with one of your posts.

Err...ummm...well, you're WRONG you cawk.
 
2008-05-20 10:13:51 PM
Christian Republican Gun Slinger 2008-05-20 10:09:07 PM
therewasahue: We need to do 4 things:

1) Stop buying foriegn oil
2) Start drilling the oil in our own country while using our reserves
3) Come up with a comprehensive and detailed plan to completely remove dependence on oil by a set date
4) Execute on plan

Why is this so hard to understand?

People make too much money off of us to ever let that happen. Well, unless we take action. By take action I mean... ::no carrier::


The problem with the liberals is that they won't let us drill our own oil. They scammed that Polar Bear thing to get it on the extinction list (citing global warming) even though the population has increased. They complain about our dependence on foriegn oil but won't let us get domestic oil. Retards.

The problem with conservatives is they won't take the Prince's cock out of their mouth long enough to realize Americans don't want to be involved with these people. Assholes.
 
2008-05-20 10:13:58 PM
Dear OPEC,

America is informing you that you are in violation of our anti-trust laws. You must cease the price-fixing immediately, or we will be forced to stop purchasing oil from you.

Love,

The United States of America

/that ought to be good for a laugh in Dubai
//Hugo Chavez will interpret it as a declaration of war
 
2008-05-20 10:14:52 PM
Don't forget the other side of the coin. The sheeple will believe that this will work.
 
2008-05-20 10:15:04 PM
Why is Congress even wasting time on these issues when there are far greater threats to Western Civilization:

wwwimage.cbsnews.com

Case in point. And lockup your daughters.
 
2008-05-20 10:15:05 PM
Shaggy_C: muck4doo: I think that's the first time I've ever completely agreed with one of your posts.

Err...ummm...well, you're WRONG you cawk.


I laready knew that you dick swipe.
 
2008-05-20 10:15:21 PM
aerojockey: Dear OPEC,

America is informing you that you are in violation of our anti-trust laws. You must cease the price-fixing immediately, or we will be forced to stop purchasing oil from you.

Love,

The United States of America

/that ought to be good for a laugh in Dubai
//Hugo Chavez will interpret it as a declaration of war


This is what I don't get. By passing this legislation, we have obviously tipped our cap to the fact that high oil prices do way more to hurt us than anything we could do to a country who is in "violation" of this law, outside of invading.
 
2008-05-20 10:15:44 PM
therewasahue: We need to do 4 things:

1) Stop buying foriegn oil
2) Start drilling the oil in our own country while using our reserves
3) Come up with a comprehensive and detailed plan to completely remove dependence on oil by a set date
4) Execute on plan

Why is this so hard to understand?


We cant do that because we may kill a prairie gopher or some farking lizard, same as we cant use windmills cause a bird may fly into it and die. The reason they wanted to get polar bears on the endangered list was only to block any future attempt to drill in anwar, the environmentalist asses realize the only thing that ever walks across that ice are the farking bears. Its not a wildlife area, its frozen 11.5 months a year, nothing farking grows there but they inundate you with bullshiat and people believe them.

We should have been drilling in alaska last year and we should have had oil rigs off the gulf states now. Sometimes I think OPEC funnels money into these nutjobs charity to keep us depending on foreign oil.
 
2008-05-20 10:16:18 PM
therewasahue: We need to do 4 things:

1) Stop buying foriegn oil
2) Start drilling the oil in our own country while using our reserves
3) Come up with a comprehensive and detailed plan to completely remove dependence on oil by a set date
4) Execute on plan

Why is this so hard to understand?


Refineries.

We drill plenty of oil on our own but we haven't built any new refineries since the 70's. Because of all the environmental groups, NIMBYism, politics and red tape, it became more cost effective to open the refineries in other countries and import the oil to the US.

Congress has just allowed some refineries to be put on the fast track without all the red tape and bureaucratic cocksucking that made opening a new refinery all but impossible the last 30 years.

So as you can see, the reality is a lot more complex and insane than your little plan accounts for.
Now, if only we had some sort of license that politicians had to get in order to qualify to run for office...
 
2008-05-20 10:16:28 PM
muck4doo: I laready knew that you dick swipe.

Haha, nothing but love man, nothing but love.
 
2008-05-20 10:16:47 PM
Shaggy_C
Might. It always wins.

So then warfare.

Your solution, in a time where a humanity-extinguishing biological plague, or a civilization ending chemical attack, or a nuclear holocaust... where these things are one frigging step away, and you talk like that?

And then you call everyone else idiots?
 
2008-05-20 10:16:56 PM
gee...The White House will veto? HA! Dubya and Cheney would never do ANYTHING to piss off their friends, the Saudis.
 
2008-05-20 10:17:37 PM
steamingpile

Way to prove my point.
 
2008-05-20 10:18:32 PM
therewasahue:

The problem with the liberals is that they won't let us drill our own oil. They scammed that Polar Bear thing to get it on the extinction list (citing global warming) even though the population has increased. They complain about our dependence on foriegn oil but won't let us get domestic oil. Retards.

The problem with conservatives is they won't take the Prince's cock out of their mouth long enough to realize Americans don't want to be involved with these people. Assholes.


Agreed. We really need to vote out all incumbents. Well, all but Ron Paul. He can stay. :-)
 
2008-05-20 10:18:35 PM
AntiNorm: Oil needs to be taken off of the futures market. Soon.

Right now, our economy is being pillaged by people who buy oil contracts for August delivery at (for instance) $125 a barrel, in hopes that they will be able to sell it in July at the going rate then -- which will hopefully be higher. It's like flipping houses, but with oil. Given the massive economic consequences that we are now facing, there is no reason why this should be allowed any more. If you can't actually take delivery of oil and physically use it, you have no business buying it.

Of course, it doesn't help that we have an idiot in charge of the country who is waging wars in the Middle East for no reason. These wars damn sure aren't good for the economy either.


Wow, you do not understand global markets do you? To think that you can just waive a magic wand and all of a sudden the financial structure of the world will rearrange just so the US can get cheaper oil is just naive. Every commodity has a futures market, and it will exist in and out of the United States. The problem is not future speculators or the war, the problem is the largest expansion in automobile ownership in the history of the world. With emerging economies in China and India the demand for gas is going up dramatically, thus the price goes up. It is simple supply and demand.

For those who say that it is not supply and demand, rather the evil oil companies or George Bush, ask yourself this question: What if gas cost $100 a gallon? Would people cut back? How about $50 a gallon? How about $10 a gallon? How about $5 a gallon? Do you see where as the price goes up more and more people will forgo gas for other transportation options? If the companies price oil to high, people will cut back. If it is not, people will not cut back. It is that simple.

While gas is the life blood of out economy, when idiots and novices start setting policy to please the masses, it will only cause the system to work less efficiently thus raising prices. Also, what if you sue OPEC, lets even pretend they lost and had to pay a trillion dollars, lets even pretend they would honor that. Do you honestly beleive they would not just pass the price right back to the consumer in the form of higher prices?

BTW: what do the dems want, cheaper gas or a better enviornment. The only thing that works in reducing the amount of oil used is raising the price so people do not use it as much.
 
2008-05-20 10:19:01 PM
muck4doo: earlm: China mentioned in headline but not in article. Thread needs more China.
Need More Chinavagina

FTFY


Will take either at this point in thread. Go ahead, click on the link.
Link

Not a rickroll



Worse than a rickroll
 
2008-05-20 10:19:03 PM
jules_siegel: phillydrifter: That's so fake, I just couldn't help but let everyone know, in case they can't see it. It is so obvious to me and should be to everyone else.

/look how the green changes above their heads
//not to mention the piss poor cropping around that goatee

Here's the full shot, from FreeRepublic.com:



No, this is the original pic:
imgbeaver.com

Abdullah is whispering to Bush, not kissing him.
 
2008-05-20 10:19:30 PM
Why is it always about OPEC? What about South America? I think I've read that they have 1/3 of the world's oil, and yet we're gargling the balls of these shieks and goat herders.
 
2008-05-20 10:19:38 PM
Yeah, like that's going to work. Are we going to send a squad of US Marshals to the UAE to arrest the OPEC oil ministers and bring them to America to stand trial for violating US anti-trust laws?

Aren't we enough of a laughing-stock throughout most of the rest of the world? This is just about as intelligent as Australia's idea to bomb Burma into accepting foreign aid after the cyclone.
 
2008-05-20 10:19:52 PM
mrexcess: Shaggy_C
Might. It always wins.

So then warfare.

Your solution, in a time where a humanity-extinguishing biological plague, or a civilization ending chemical attack, or a nuclear holocaust... where these things are one frigging step away, and you talk like that?

And then you call everyone else idiots?


Take it to Lifetime Network you fag. :)
 
2008-05-20 10:20:00 PM
mrexcess: Your solution, in a time where a humanity-extinguishing biological plague, or a civilization ending chemical attack, or a nuclear holocaust... where these things are one frigging step away, and you talk like that?

No, I'm just saying that international law is an illusion. I don't think we should resort to war. Ever, if we can help it. The point is that 'suing' some other country doesn't mean squat. The only enforcement the UN has is economic. And we're not going to put a massive embargo on OPEC. It's simply not feasible.
 
2008-05-20 10:20:19 PM
Shaggy_C: He started his campaign for a national seat in January 2003, prior to the Iraq war. Why wasn't he pandering back then, eh?

He wasnt in office so he didnt have to and he got lucky by coasting into office on the heels of other candidates scandals or he would have gotten killed again in the election.

Dont act like the people of illinois elected him because he was the best candidate, he just survived the election and during the debates the war didnt come up once. If it did I believe he would have said he supported it and he would not even be an issue now.
 
2008-05-20 10:20:36 PM
Might as well bring it up.

I sit around and wonder sometimes if we could have turned all of the California Death Valley into a giant solar power plant, along with huge chunks of unused land in Nevada and New Mexico for the cost of the war in Iraq.

Does anybody have any idea what the relative costs would have been? I mean, I'm pretty sure that the largest portion of our oil use in the U.S. doesn't come from transportation, it comes from electrical use in buildings, which we could maybe make a huge dent in by changing what powers the grid.

But what do I know?
 
2008-05-20 10:21:07 PM
img392.imageshack.us
 
2008-05-20 10:21:12 PM
I propose HR Z0MG eleventy

We, the house of representatives of anybody with enough money to pay us off do hereby vote to take our knockers-on-a-fish useless asses off of the federal titty, get actual jobs and just get the hell out of the way and let the popular vote of the people call the shots.

Any seconds?
 
2008-05-20 10:21:45 PM
mrexcess: Shaggy_C
Might. It always wins.

So then warfare.

Your solution, in a time where a humanity-extinguishing biological plague, or a civilization ending chemical attack, or a nuclear holocaust... where these things are one frigging step away, and you talk like that?

And then you call everyone else idiots?


That's my Bush!
 
2008-05-20 10:21:51 PM
that1guy77 - well I'm glad the China reference was that obvious to you.

I suppose America will have to come to terms with the fact that other emerging economies will compete for scarce resources (china / india, EU). Mind you, I still think the oil producers want your American imperalist dollars .. you just might end up paying more for it as the other economies compete for the same product.
 
2008-05-20 10:22:20 PM
earlm: muck4doo: earlm: China mentioned in headline but not in article. Thread needs more China.
Need More Chinavagina

FTFY

Will take either at this point in thread. Go ahead, click on the link.
Link

Not a rickroll



Worse than a rickroll


Okay. Getting into the first link. Haven't checked out the second...
 
2008-05-20 10:22:34 PM
jdmac: It is simple supply and demand.

No, it's not. Please discuss if you care to; we've been delving into the facts all afternoon. It's been a very thought-provoking thread, I think. I would like to hear your perspective on how the futures market affects pricing.
 
2008-05-20 10:23:51 PM
Uh, wow...

I never thought I'd agree with BUSH about a bill needed to be vetoed.

What an incredibly stupid idea.
 
2008-05-20 10:24:24 PM
steamingpile: during the debates the war didnt come up once.

FAIL.
 
2008-05-20 10:25:18 PM
Okay, Chinese Eyes is okay, but it ain't no Xanadu. Gonna check out the second link now.
 
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