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2008-05-20 03:35:16 PM
The 1996 John McCain would be absoultely disgusted by his 2008 campaign.
 
2008-05-20 03:49:46 PM
The 1996 McCain might have made a decent president. The 2008 McCain is still trying to figure out how he lost to that idiot Dubya in 2000.
 
2008-05-20 03:56:09 PM
big_pth: The 1996 McCain might have made a decent president. The 2008 McCain is still trying to figure out how he lost to that idiot Dubya in 2000.

It's depressing. I at least hope that the pre-2000 vintage McCain would be appalled by this year's. I voted for him in 2000, and I would hate to think that I voted for the guy I see today.

Also, he lost to Bush in 2000 because Bush had a campaign team that expertly played on the racism of South Carolina voters, and because Bush was backed by the vast majority of the party and its donors.
 
2008-05-20 03:59:40 PM
But Lobbyist are people too!
 
2008-05-20 04:12:49 PM
His constant foreign policy gaffes would've already crippled his 2008 campaign, but alas, we've got a weirdo black preacher to talk about.
 
2008-05-20 04:13:19 PM
...and Obama's, too.

/the number of lobbyists in Washington is directly proportional to the power of the Federal Government
 
2008-05-20 04:45:00 PM
MasterThief: ...and Obama's, too.

Obama has over 1.5 million donors, averaging contributions around $100. McCain's 96 legislation would not have affected that at all. Even if you souped it up to include former lobbyists, family members of lobbyists, etc. etc.... how many of that 1.5 mil do you think would be excluded?

Like him or now, Obama is running a clean campaign.
 
2008-05-20 04:47:43 PM
MasterThief: ...and Obama's, too.

Thank you for linking that article. While I don't think it quite reaches OMG HIPPOCRYTE proportions, it's good to see that the Obama campaign isn't above using sneaky lawyer tricks and semantics.

/Obama or Barr '08
//yes I realize that seems odd at first
///social liberal, financial moderate
 
2008-05-20 04:56:58 PM
eabod: Like him or now

Doh! That should have said "Like him NOW!

/j/k/lolz
 
2008-05-20 04:57:38 PM
gundamtsubasa: MasterThief: ...and Obama's, too.

Thank you for linking that article. While I don't think it quite reaches OMG HIPPOCRYTE proportions, it's good to see that the Obama campaign isn't above using sneaky lawyer tricks and semantics.

/Obama or Barr '08
//yes I realize that seems odd at first
///social liberal, financial moderate


If you're a social liberal, Barr does indeed seem odd to me.
 
2008-05-20 05:00:59 PM
When did Fark turn into Huffington Post Lite?

This site is getting more liberal then Al Franken at a Transgendered Atheist convention!
 
2008-05-20 05:07:54 PM
1996, oh to be a dozen years younger again.
 
2008-05-20 05:18:24 PM
Overfiend: When did Fark turn into Huffington Post Lite?

This site is getting more liberal then Al Franken at a Transgendered Atheist convention!


And, therefore, a reflection of the larger nation as a whole.

img183.imageshack.us
 
2008-05-20 05:29:36 PM
submitter: The 1996 bill Senator McCain introduced would have crippled his 2008 campaign

I think what you are all forgetting is that John McCain will put the national interest ahead of partisanship, he will work with anyone who sincerely wants to get this country moving again. If John McCain is elected President, the era of the permanent campaign will end. The era of problem solving will begin.
 
2008-05-20 05:52:05 PM
Skleenar: I think what you are all forgetting is that John McCain will put the national interest ahead of partisanship, he will work with anyone who sincerely wants to get this country moving again. If John McCain is elected President, the era of the permanent campaign will end. The era of problem solving will begin.

I tend to agree, and I think this statement is also true for Obama.

I'm pretty happy about our choices this time around.
 
2008-05-20 06:07:55 PM
amishrakefight.org
 
2008-05-20 06:10:28 PM
MasterThief: ...and Obama's, too.

OMG! I heard from a friend that Obama knows a guy who talked to a lady who thinks about lobbyists!
 
2008-05-20 06:12:50 PM
eabod:
Like him or not, Obama is running a clean campaign.



www.clevelandleader.com

Tony and Barak hope you keep the " clean campaign" message out there too!
 
2008-05-20 06:14:18 PM
MasterThief: ...and Obama's, too.

Or more likely, neither Senator McCain's nor Senator Obama's, as they both would have approached their campaigns differently from the beginning if this law had passed.

I mean, really. 'OMG, someone's not following a 10-year-old non-law!' Call the non-cops and have the non-DA have a non-press conference.
 
2008-05-20 06:14:34 PM
I thought Alzheimer's disease crippled his campaign.
 
2008-05-20 06:15:17 PM
img1.fark.net
 
2008-05-20 06:17:02 PM
eabod: I tend to agree, and I think this statement is also true for Obama.

I'm pretty happy about our choices this time around.


No shat!

Remember 4 years ago when it was Kerry V Bush? Jesus that sucked!
 
2008-05-20 06:17:47 PM
Manfred J. Hattan:
I mean, really. 'OMG, someone's not following a 10-year-old non-law!' Call the non-cops and have the non-DA have a non-press conference.


Except McCain was the one who wanted to make it law, shiathead.
 
2008-05-20 06:17:48 PM
Overfiend: When did Fark turn into Huffington Post Lite?

This site is getting more liberal then Al Franken at a Transgendered Atheist convention!


Judging by the ever-tightening of the censorship belt on this site, I can't see how Fark could be getting MORE liberal.

Unless you are talking about the liberal reaction to having freedoms taken away.
 
2008-05-20 06:18:04 PM
politech: eabod:
Like him or not, Obama is running a clean campaign.
Tony and Barak hope you keep the " clean campaign" message out there too!


Oh please. Shall we start posting photos of McCain's ties no matter how remote?
 
2008-05-20 06:19:07 PM
Overfiend: This site is getting more liberal then Al Franken at a Transgendered Atheist convention!

I see a higher percentage of super conservative people on Fark than I encounter in real life, and I'm a lifelong "red state" resident. It's ironic when they post on political threads complaining about how liberal Fark is, since the frequency of their posts indicates otherwise.
 
2008-05-20 06:19:10 PM
Manfred J. Hattan: I mean, really. 'OMG, someone's not following a 10-year-old non-law!' Call the non-cops and have the non-DA have a non-press conference.

That's not the point. the point is that McCain has flip-flopped on his campaign finance position. Flip flop flip flop.
 
2008-05-20 06:19:31 PM
Sammy Jenkins: Except McCain was the one who wanted to make it law, shiathead.

And it isn't one.

So he should handicap himself to appease morons like you?
 
2008-05-20 06:20:17 PM
Who cares? Haven't you heard? Barack Obama's wife wrote an essay back in college!
 
2008-05-20 06:21:07 PM
Sammy Jenkins: Manfred J. Hattan:
I mean, really. 'OMG, someone's not following a 10-year-old non-law!' Call the non-cops and have the non-DA have a non-press conference.

Except McCain was the one who wanted to make it law, shiathead.


Obama's co-authored the new lobbying reform law that requires lawmakers to disclose the names of lobbyists who "bundle" contributions for them. Names like Antoin Rezko spring to mind...
 
2008-05-20 06:22:03 PM
jaylectricity: Overfiend: When did Fark turn into Huffington Post Lite?

This site is getting more liberal then Al Franken at a Transgendered Atheist convention!

Judging by the ever-tightening of the censorship belt on this site, I can't see how Fark could be getting MORE liberal.

Unless you are talking about the liberal reaction to having freedoms taken away.


It's possible he's one of the people who label all anti-Bush people as "liberals". Of course, by that definition most of the country is "liberal" now. In reality just as many are moderates and true conservatives as liberals. Mainstream Democrats in this country are NOT liberals, either, by the way.
 
2008-05-20 06:23:31 PM
impaler: Sammy Jenkins: Except McCain was the one who wanted to make it law, shiathead.

And it isn't one.

So he should handicap himself to appease morons like you?


He should follow his convictions, regardless of what the law actually says. Or else, he should just say that he's been doing nothing but wasting time in finance reform, because he doesn't really believe in it.

But given his Alzheimer's I doubt he even remembered introducing that bill in 1996.
 
2008-05-20 06:23:34 PM
no shiat...you needed HufPo to figure that one out?

libs are a tad slow I guess.
 
2008-05-20 06:23:42 PM
StillH2O: It's possible he's one of the people who label all anti-Bush people as "liberals". Of course, by that definition most of the country is "liberal" now. In reality just as many are moderates and true conservatives as liberals. Mainstream Democrats in this country are NOT liberals, either, by the way.

shutup! The reality of which you speak is far too complex for my simple mind to handle!
 
2008-05-20 06:24:09 PM
Ninja Wicked: That's not the point. the point is that McCain has flip-flopped on his campaign finance position. Flip flop flip flop.

No, he didn't flip flop. Having lost the battle to get this thing enacted (you caught that, right -- it didn't pass) he chose not to unilaterally disarm. That doesn't make him a flip-flopper, it makes him not an idiot.

As it happens, I believe that Senator McCain is hugely and tragically wrong about his approach to campaign finance reform. But I don't expect him to adhere a non-law unilaterally.
 
2008-05-20 06:24:12 PM
Sammy Jenkins:
I thought Alzheimer's disease crippled his campaign.

i65.photobucket.com
 
2008-05-20 06:24:50 PM
Sammy Jenkins: He should follow his convictions, regardless of what the law actually says. Yeah, try that with taxes and see how far it gets you...
 
2008-05-20 06:25:19 PM
Skleenar: Overfiend: When did Fark turn into Huffington Post Lite?

This site is getting more liberal then Al Franken at a Transgendered Atheist convention!

And, therefore, a reflection of the larger nation as a whole. (graphs)


How dare you drag facts and objective reality into this thread! That's just what we've all come to expect from you libs...

/sarcasm
//McCain will kill us all if we let him
 
2008-05-20 06:25:53 PM
Flip flops are over-rated.
 
2008-05-20 06:26:25 PM
maochan.files.wordpress.com
I sense a photoshop in the near future.
 
2008-05-20 06:26:28 PM
Manfred J. Hattan: As it happens, I believe that Senator McCain is hugely and tragically wrong about his approach to campaign finance reform. But I don't expect him to adhere a non-law unilaterally.

I have to agree.

Saying he should follow the law, even though it didn't pass, when his opponents aren't going to follow - is to admit you're flat out retarded. Sorry, but no one cares about retards' opinions...
 
2008-05-20 06:26:59 PM
Rug Doctor: //McCain will kill us all if we let him

no, just you, but we've all agreed you have it coming.
 
2008-05-20 06:28:30 PM
politics thread lame war
 
2008-05-20 06:29:08 PM
Manfred J. Hattan: Ninja Wicked: That's not the point. the point is that McCain has flip-flopped on his campaign finance position. Flip flop flip flop.

No, he didn't flip flop. Having lost the battle to get this thing enacted (you caught that, right -- it didn't pass) he chose not to unilaterally disarm. That doesn't make him a flip-flopper, it makes him not an idiot.

As it happens, I believe that Senator McCain is hugely and tragically wrong about his approach to campaign finance reform. But I don't expect him to adhere a non-law unilaterally.


So you're saying he doesn't have to practice what he preaches then.
 
2008-05-20 06:29:22 PM
jaylectricity: Flip flops are over-rated.

Tell me about it.

McCain - No Timetable for Iraq, 100 more years of Iraq, Iraq will end by 2013! Against torture, for torture!
 
2008-05-20 06:29:58 PM
3 liberals running for president.
I have no one to vote for, only 3 people to vote against.

I would much prefer to have a candidate I support rather than a "I hate him/her the least" vote to cast.

Sigh....
Where is Ronald W. Reagan when you need him......
 
2008-05-20 06:30:07 PM
Ninja Wicked: So you're saying he doesn't have to practice what he preaches then.

Stop being a retard
 
2008-05-20 06:31:23 PM
QuitWhileYoureAhead: politech: eabod:
Like him or not, Obama is running a clean campaign.
Tony and Barak hope you keep the " clean campaign" message out there too!

Oh please. Shall we start posting photos of McCain's ties no matter how remote?


Remote? Obama's dealings with Tony may have never been prosecuted by the law, but despite his high-minded politics, Barack is no purer - and no smarter - than any other sleazy Illinois political hack. In Illinois every politician's greatest weakness is for the "generous contributor". Savory or not, they want the cash.

Barack wouldn't even say no when Rezko cooked up a deal to help Barack buy his Georgian-revival home.

Barack lived in the house that Tony swindled for him, and you call that "remote".
 
2008-05-20 06:32:25 PM
eabod: I tend to agree, and I think this statement is also true for Obama.

Boy, do I have a job for you.
 
2008-05-20 06:33:44 PM
politech: Barack wouldn't even say no when Rezko cooked up a deal to help Barack buy his Georgian-revival home.

Barack lived in the house that Tony swindled for him, and you call that "remote".


THIS

Obama is just another corrupt Illinois politician...it's only time before the shiat hits the fan.
 
2008-05-20 06:34:24 PM
politech: Barack wouldn't even say no when Rezko cooked up a deal to help Barack buy his Georgian-revival home.

Barack lived in the house that Tony swindled for him, and you call that "remote".


LOL -- you're about 10 memes behind, son.

/hint: not even the Clinton Machine could find anything worthwhile with Rezko
 
2008-05-20 06:34:36 PM
What is most disturbing about McCain is that already his Alzheimer's disease is much more advanced than Reagan's when he took office.
 
2008-05-20 06:35:11 PM
JabbaTheButt: 3 liberals running for president.
I have no one to vote for, only 3 people to vote against.

I would much prefer to have a candidate I support rather than a "I hate him/her the least" vote to cast.

Sigh....
Where is Ronald W. Reagan when you need him......


Reagan actually faked his own death, then disappeared into the Washington underground. Today, still wanted by the Democrats, he survives as soldier of fortune. If you have a problem, if no one else can help, and if you can find him, maybe you can hire...Reagan.

www.thoseshirts.com
 
2008-05-20 06:35:18 PM
impaler: Manfred J. Hattan: As it happens, I believe that Senator McCain is hugely and tragically wrong about his approach to campaign finance reform. But I don't expect him to adhere a non-law unilaterally.

I have to agree.

Saying he should follow the law, even though it didn't pass, when his opponents aren't going to follow - is to admit you're flat out retarded. Sorry, but no one cares about retards' opinions...


Way to miss the point.
 
2008-05-20 06:35:50 PM
Ninja Wicked: So you're saying he doesn't have to practice what he preaches then.

No, I'm saying what impaler did. Probably in vain.
 
2008-05-20 06:36:31 PM
<b>MR_DING:</b> <i>Way to miss the point.</i>

Non-agreement with a stupid point, is not the same as missing the point
 
2008-05-20 06:37:35 PM
JabbaTheButt:

Where is Ronald W. Reagan when you need him......

Long gone, thank goodness.

But really, this is a non-issue. McCain is campaigning for the presidency; he can ill afford to run with one hand tied behind his back. The legislation he proposed failed, so he's running a campaign that complies with currently applicable laws.* Even as someone who loathes McCain, I have no problem with this.

* - Except he isn't; he's violated those laws by using the promise of public financing to guarantee loans to his campaign, then turned down public financing. But that's a completely separate issue.
 
2008-05-20 06:37:58 PM
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2008-05-20 06:38:10 PM
JabbaTheButt: Sigh....
Where is Ronald W. Reagan when you need him......


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Buuuuurp! Er.... No comment
 
2008-05-20 06:38:12 PM
impaler: Ninja Wicked: So you're saying he doesn't have to practice what he preaches then.

Stop being a retard


A clever retort. So McCain's bill doesn't get voted through, so rather than continue to push for reform he simply switches his position and is now guilty of being part of the problem that he was attempting to solve in the first place.
 
2008-05-20 06:39:53 PM
A clever retort.

An accurate retort

So McCain's bill doesn't get voted through, so rather than continue to push for reform he simply switches his position and is now guilty of being part of the problem that he was attempting to solve in the first place.

Wrong, instead of deciding to lose, he decides to play on equal ground.

Stop being a retard.
 
2008-05-20 06:43:35 PM
JabbaTheButt: Where is Ronald W. Reagan when you need him......

Dead, thank God.

/The Reagan years weren't all they were cracked up to be.
 
2008-05-20 06:45:31 PM
This is proof that McCain is a wishy-washy flip-flopper.
 
2008-05-20 06:45:57 PM
impaler:
Wrong, instead of deciding to lose, he decides to play on equal ground.

Stop being a retard.


So the ends justify means. Mc Cain seemed like a breath of fresh air for a while, funny how things change.
 
2008-05-20 06:46:10 PM
No, McCain isn't beholden to laws that don't exist, even if he did once push for it.

Yes, he is open to critique for not living up to a standard he once advocated.

There's a pattern emerging with him regarding once being a centrist with a track record of trying to do right by the public, and now throwing all those principles out the window to try and win the Presidency. He is trashing his "maverick" reputation for political expediency.

I'd have voted McCain in 2000. I'm not voting McCain in 2008.

If he wins the Presidency and goes back to his pre-Bush pattern of doing the right thing, I'll vote for him in 2012 despite his age.
 
2008-05-20 06:50:02 PM
JabbaTheButt: Sigh....
Where is Ronald W. Reagan when you need him......


Decomposing. Much like the rest of the GOP.
 
2008-05-20 06:50:54 PM
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2008-05-20 06:53:53 PM
Some 'Splainin' To Do: JabbaTheButt: Sigh....
Where is Ronald W. Reagan when you need him......

Decomposing. Much like the rest of the GOP.


wow that was even funnier than the first 4 times.
 
2008-05-20 06:54:34 PM
politech: Tony and Barak hope you keep the " clean campaign" message out there too!

Explain to me how this relates to the way Obama has run his campaign.
 
2008-05-20 06:55:09 PM
Why am I the first to say that this isn't very ironic?

/Because it's not.
//Oh no it isn't.
 
2008-05-20 07:00:19 PM
Skleenar: Boy, do I have a job for you.

Ouch! It burns!

Now tell me why I'm wrong... or would you like me to suggest a job for you?
 
2008-05-20 07:00:29 PM
His angry pic make me think of I'M POOPING FROM THERE!!!!
 
2008-05-20 07:00:57 PM
black_knight: This is proof that McCain is a wishy-washy flip-flopper.

This is going to be one of the harder criticisms for McCain to overcome. Having actually voted "yay" or "nay" on thousands of bills, it is likely he switched sides a few times.

On the other hand this is not likely to become a problem for barack as it is difficult to flip-flop on a "present (no testicles or real convictions)" vote
 
2008-05-20 07:02:25 PM
The Onanist: JabbaTheButt: Where is Ronald W. Reagan when you need him......

Dead, thank God.

/The Reagan years weren't all they were cracked up to be.


Reagan, not Bush, holds the honor of "worst president evar."
 
2008-05-20 07:03:55 PM
TheBigJerk: Reagan, not Bush, holds the honor of "worst president evar."

I'm pretty sure Warren Harding is a shoe-in for that one.
 
2008-05-20 07:05:26 PM
Well his bill didn't go through now he is proving it should have, good for him.
 
2008-05-20 07:06:17 PM
TheBigJerk:

Reagan, not Bush, holds the honor of "worst president evar."



It looks like you learned to spell under the Carter administration.

I understand why people dislike Reagan though, it is rough being on top, which is exactly where we have been for a quarter of a century thanks to the Gipper
 
2008-05-20 07:08:50 PM
McCain has flip-flopped more on his stances than John Kerry on a trampoline having an epileptic seizure.

I liked the Maverick McCain. Too bad that guy is gone and replaced with a pandering party lapdog clone of Bush.
 
2008-05-20 07:10:36 PM
Did somebody say "Reagan"?
media5.dropshots.com
 
2008-05-20 07:11:46 PM
TheBigJerk:

Reagan, not Bush, holds the honor of "worst president evar."

Polk, Bush, Harding, in that order.

Reagan is like Andrew Jackson - he was a "great" President in the sense that he excelled at implementing his twisted, farked-up vision of America.
 
2008-05-20 07:13:23 PM
Skleenar:

I think what you are all forgetting is that John McCain will put the national interest ahead of partisanship, he will work with anyone who sincerely wants to get this country moving again. If John McCain is elected President, the era of the permanent campaign will end. The era of problem solving will begin.


Best laugh I have had in a Fark political thread in a long time.

McCain can bite my ass for this campaign finance reform. What a great reform for him to further entrench incumbents and the big two parties. Because, you know, they needed a bit of an edge.

Asshats all around.

I think this would sum it up better:

I think what you are all forgetting is that John McCain will put monied interests ahead of nation, he will work with anyone who sincerely wants to give his campaign a crap load of cash. If John McCain is elected President, the era of the permanent campaign will become even more loathesome. The era of bigger national debts and corrupt politicians will continue.

//not much hope for Obama either. Neither party is interested in fixing 'our' problems, unless that narrowly coincides with them making money.
 
2008-05-20 07:14:01 PM
heavymetal: I liked the Maverick McCain. Too bad that guy is gone and replaced with a pandering party lapdog clone of Bush.

Please, keep on talking out of your ass.
 
2008-05-20 07:17:00 PM
i105.photobucket.com
 
2008-05-20 07:18:32 PM
eabod:

Obama has over 1.5 million donors, averaging contributions around $100. McCain's 96 legislation would not have affected that at all. Even if you souped it up to include former lobbyists, family members of lobbyists, etc. etc.... how many of that 1.5 mil do you think would be excluded?

Like him or now, Obama is running a clean campaign.


OMG, how on Earth could you believe that someone from the Chicago political machine is clean?

Or do you mean laundered?
 
2008-05-20 07:25:03 PM
Overfiend: This site is getting more liberal then Al Franken at a Transgendered Atheist convention!

I'm a liberal transgendered atheist, so I'm really getting a kick out of these replies...
 
2008-05-20 07:25:38 PM
TheBigJerk: The Onanist: JabbaTheButt: Where is Ronald W. Reagan when you need him......

Dead, thank God.

/The Reagan years weren't all they were cracked up to be.

Reagan, not Bush, holds the honor of "worst president evar."


wrong ...



Misery index - era by U.S president

Index = Unemployment rate + Inflation rate

Rank President Time Period Index Average Low High



5 Harry Truman 1948-1952 7.87 Dec 1952 = 3.45 Jan 1948 = 13.63 

1 Dwight D. Eisenhower 1953-1960 6.26 Jul  1953 = 2.97 Apr 1958 = 10.98

3 John F. Kennedy 1961-1962 7.27 Jul 1962 = 6.40 Jul 1961 = 8.38

2 Lyndon B. Johnson 1963-1968 6.78 Nov 1965 = 5.70 Jul 1968 = 8.19

7 Richard Nixon 1969-1973 9.98 Jan 1968 = 7.80 Dec 1973 = 13.61

10 Gerald Ford 1974-1976 15.93 Dec 1976 = 12.66 Jan 1975 = 19.90

11  Jimmy Carter  1977-1980  16.27 Apr 1978 = 12.60 Jun 1980 = 21.98

9 Ronald Reagan 1981-1988 12.19 Dec 1986 = 7.70 Sep 1981 = 19.33

8 George H. W. Bush 1989-1992 10.68 Sep 1989 = 9.64 Nov 1990 = 12.47

4 Bill Clinton 1993-2000 7.80 Apr 1998 = 5.74 Jan 1993 = 10.56

6 George W. Bush 2001 - Mar 2008 8.01 Oct 2006 = 5.71 Sep 2005 = 9.79



couple that with gas shortages, horrible pollution and disco, and you have far and away the worst administration ever under jimmy carter.

its ironic that he's one of the most vocal critics of the bush administration. typical hypocrisy of the liberals.
 
2008-05-20 07:25:59 PM
Another self serving political douche-bag.
 
2008-05-20 07:28:03 PM
eabod: politech: Tony and Barak hope you keep the " clean campaign" message out there too!

Explain to me how this relates to the way Obama has run his campaign.


One hand washes the other in Illinois.

In 13 years in politics, Obama has gotten at least $168,000 in campaign donations from Rezko, his family and business associates. (The Sun-Times reported that figure June '07, google it). Obama's "best estimate" seven months earlier had been that Rezko had raised no more than $60,000 for him. (some people call that "lying")

Obama wrote to city and state housing officials on behalf of a housing project for seniors that Rezko was working on back in 98. (Some people call that a "Paid political favor").

Pay-to-play is politics as usual in Illinois, you don't hand out $100,000 or $800,000 unless you want something in return.

But Rezko isn't the only pig in the trough.

Millionaire lobbyist-businessman William F. Cellini and his control of a $40 billion retired teachers fund.

High-powered lobbyist Robert Kjellander, also was a generous donor who handed out $118,000 in contributions since 1999.

BKITU: LOL -- you're about 10 memes behind, son.

/hint: not even the Clinton Machine could find anything worthwhile with Rezko


Yea, Clinton's bringing up a real estate scam would be great strategery!
 
2008-05-20 07:28:32 PM
So what you're saying, basically, is that John McCain in the 1990's tried to pass some campaign/lobbying reforms which were rejected by Congress, and today he is acting in complete accordance with the law?

Scandalous.
 
2008-05-20 07:31:02 PM
FTGodWin: OMG, how on Earth could you believe that someone from the Chicago political machine is clean?

Got hard proof otherwise? Pony up with independently-verifiable links. Some screaming pinhead linking from Little Green Footballs to Free Republic doesn't count, sorry.
 
2008-05-20 07:31:49 PM
ah3133: couple that with gas shortages, horrible pollution and disco, and you have far and away the worst administration ever under jimmy carter.

its ironic that he's one of the most vocal critics of the bush administration. typical hypocrisy of the liberals.


HAH! You can't blame Disco on Jimmy Carter...
 
2008-05-20 07:33:05 PM
Tacoby Bellisbury: ah3133: couple that with gas shortages, horrible pollution and disco, and you have far and away the worst administration ever under jimmy carter.

its ironic that he's one of the most vocal critics of the bush administration. typical hypocrisy of the liberals.

HAH! You can't blame Disco on Jimmy Carter...


well it happened under his watch.
 
2008-05-20 07:33:07 PM
politech: Yea, Clinton's bringing up a real estate scam would be great strategery!

So... you got nothing other than stale talking points. Gotcha.
 
2008-05-20 07:35:45 PM
BKITU: /hint: not even the Clinton Machine could find anything worthwhile with Rezko

THIS. Republicans will really be grasping for straws this time. Not saying they won't find anything, but they won't find much. Not enough to swiftboat him.

/OMG B. HUSSEIN Osama!!!!
//Teh muzlims want Osama to win!
///FLAG PIN FLAG PIN FLAG PIN!!!!
 
2008-05-20 07:37:01 PM
politech: QuitWhileYoureAhead: politech: eabod:
Like him or not, Obama is running a clean campaign.
Tony and Barak hope you keep the " clean campaign" message out there too!

Oh please. Shall we start posting photos of McCain's ties no matter how remote?

Remote? Obama's dealings with Tony may have never been prosecuted by the law, but despite his high-minded politics, Barack is no purer - and no smarter - than any other sleazy Illinois political hack. In Illinois every politician's greatest weakness is for the "generous contributor". Savory or not, they want the cash.

Barack wouldn't even say no when Rezko cooked up a deal to help Barack buy his Georgian-revival home.

Barack lived in the house that Tony swindled for him, and you call that "remote".


Uh, Barack lives in a house he bought for a bit below market value, common for anyone who will do a little haggling. The controversy to Rezko is that he sold Rezko a bit of land for a seemingly large amount of money, a bit of land that Rezko has not developed. At least get the scandal right, you stooge.
 
2008-05-20 07:40:06 PM
ah3133

Tacoby Bellisbury: ah3133: couple that with gas shortages, horrible pollution and disco, and you have far and away the worst administration ever under jimmy carter.

its ironic that he's one of the most vocal critics of the bush administration. typical hypocrisy of the liberals.

HAH! You can't blame Disco on Jimmy Carter...

well it happened under his watch.


And Hannah Montana happened under Bush's
 
2008-05-20 07:40:18 PM
BKITU: FTGodWin: OMG, how on Earth could you believe that someone from the Chicago political machine is clean?

Got hard proof otherwise? Pony up with independently-verifiable links. Some screaming pinhead linking from Little Green Footballs to Free Republic doesn't count, sorry.


I find it ironic that you would ask for independently verifiable links when this whole discussion started with a huffington post story.BKITU: politech: Yea, Clinton's bringing up a real estate scam would be great strategery!



So... you got nothing other than stale talking points. Gotcha.


He actually has a pretty relevant talking point considering clinton is even deeper in that shiat lake.
 
2008-05-20 07:41:48 PM
politech: some people call that "lying"

I guess this is the part that relates to the current campaign? That he understated the amount that was contributed to him over the course of 13 years by $100,000? Obama has raised about 5,000 times that amount over the course of the last two years.

I don't even know what you're trying to imply with the rest of your post... but if this is simply the level of scrutiny you apply to all comers, then good on you. Maybe your perfect candidate will come along some day.
 
2008-05-20 07:45:06 PM
BKITU: politech: Yea, Clinton's bringing up a real estate scam would be great strategery!

So... you got nothing other than stale talking points. Gotcha.


No coherent refutation of said points, so resort to standard Propaganda techniques (new window). Got it.
 
2008-05-20 07:52:26 PM
eabod: Now tell me why I'm wrong... or would you like me to suggest a job for you?

McCain 2008 is a bought property of PNAC.

Don't mistake him for the 2000 model.
 
2008-05-20 07:56:00 PM
Keating 5 member vs Chicago machine spawn. Im sure both have been thoroughly laundered at this point, and are thus "clean".
 
2008-05-20 07:57:50 PM
I hate news. It makes me hate the world. That doesn't help me. I want more kittys. I'm very sad.
 
2008-05-20 08:02:10 PM
eabod: ... if this is simply the level of scrutiny you apply to all comers, then good on you. Maybe your perfect candidate will come along some day.

Perfect candidate? That candidate won't come from Illinois. Evar!

/Good talk all around Farkers!
//I luvs my crooked midwest politics.
///Glad to see it spread to the whole country.
////slashtastic!
 
2008-05-20 08:13:50 PM
JabbaTheButt: 3 liberals running for president.
I have no one to vote for, only 3 people to vote against.

I would much prefer to have a candidate I support rather than a "I hate him/her the least" vote to cast.

Sigh....
Where is Ronald W. Reagan when you need him......



I've never needed him. Not ever.
 
2008-05-20 08:25:18 PM
Relatively Obscure: JabbaTheButt: 3 liberals running for president.
I have no one to vote for, only 3 people to vote against.

I would much prefer to have a candidate I support rather than a "I hate him/her the least" vote to cast.

Sigh....
Where is Ronald W. Reagan when you need him......


I've never needed him. Not ever.


... because you're a rugged, self-reliant individualist. reagan would be proud!
 
2008-05-20 08:25:57 PM
Skleenar: submitter: The 1996 bill Senator McCain introduced would have crippled his 2008 campaign

I think what you are all forgetting is that John McCain will put the national interest ahead of partisanship, he will work with anyone who sincerely wants to get this country moving again. If John McCain is elected President, the era of the permanent campaign will end. The era of problem solving will begin.


I see you suscribe to the daily talking points put out by the McCain campaign too!
 
2008-05-20 08:26:50 PM
politech: No coherent refutation of said points, so resort to standard Propaganda techniques (new window). Got it.

I've got nothing to refute, tardball. YOU are the one claiming there's something with Rezko, and that Obama is somehow corrupted.

YOU are making the positive claims.

The burden of proof is on YOU to come up with something.

What you're asking me to do is the equivalent of this:

"Obama is a lying sack of shiat. PROVE THAT HE'S NOT!!!"
 
2008-05-20 08:30:30 PM
JabbaTheButt: Where is Ronald W. Reagan when you need him......

Right where he deserves to be.
 
2008-05-20 08:35:56 PM
ah3133: Relatively Obscure: JabbaTheButt: 3 liberals running for president.
I have no one to vote for, only 3 people to vote against.

I would much prefer to have a candidate I support rather than a "I hate him/her the least" vote to cast.

Sigh....
Where is Ronald W. Reagan when you need him......


I've never needed him. Not ever.

... because you're a rugged, self-reliant individualist. reagan would be proud!


Okay, that was funny.
We begin lulz in five minutes.
 
2008-05-20 08:53:37 PM
RemyDuron:
Uh, Barack lives in a house he bought for a bit below market value, common for anyone who will do a little haggling. The controversy to Rezko is that he sold Rezko a bit of land for a seemingly large amount of money, a bit of land that Rezko has not developed. At least get the scandal right, you stooge.


Well you're half right. Obama bought a strip of land from Rezko at a ridiculously low price after Rezko overpaid on the lot. Still, Obama was cleared of any illegal activity.
 
2008-05-20 09:02:15 PM
icy_one: RemyDuron:
Uh, Barack lives in a house he bought for a bit below market value, common for anyone who will do a little haggling. The controversy to Rezko is that he sold Rezko a bit of land for a seemingly large amount of money, a bit of land that Rezko has not developed. At least get the scandal right, you stooge.

Well you're half right. Obama bought a strip of land from Rezko at a ridiculously low price after Rezko overpaid on the lot. Still, Obama was cleared of any illegal activity.


McCain was cleared of the Keating 5 as well, people still bring it up as if he was convicted.

// meh
 
2008-05-20 09:07:57 PM
www.global-air.com
 
2008-05-20 09:08:19 PM
LUCKY FOR HIM, HE'S RUNNING AGAINST A attractive and successful African-American...
 
2008-05-20 09:12:34 PM
img261.imageshack.us


Not quite what I'm trying to say but you get the point.
 
2008-05-20 09:18:45 PM
 
2008-05-20 09:28:22 PM
Relatively Obscure: Skleenar: submitter: The 1996 bill Senator McCain introduced would have crippled his 2008 campaign

I think what you are all forgetting is that
John McCain will put the national interest ahead of partisanship, he will work with anyone who sincerely wants to get this country moving again. If John McCain is elected President, the era of the permanent campaign will end. The era of problem solving will begin.


OOOHHH snap, calling out Skleenar on the McCain-whore plagiarism. Nice job.
 
2008-05-20 09:34:22 PM
ah3133: Misery index

ah3133: TheBigJerk: The Onanist: JabbaTheButt: Where is Ronald W. Reagan when you need him......

Dead, thank God.

/The Reagan years weren't all they were cracked up to be.

Reagan, not Bush, holds the honor of "worst president evar."

wrong ...



Misery index - era by U.S president

Index = Unemployment rate + Inflation rate

Rank President Time Period Index Average Low High



5 Harry Truman 1948-1952 7.87 Dec 1952 = 3.45 Jan 1948 = 13.63

1 Dwight D. Eisenhower 1953-1960 6.26 Jul 1953 = 2.97 Apr 1958 = 10.98

3 John F. Kennedy 1961-1962 7.27 Jul 1962 = 6.40 Jul 1961 = 8.38

2 Lyndon B. Johnson 1963-1968 6.78 Nov 1965 = 5.70 Jul 1968 = 8.19

7 Richard Nixon 1969-1973 9.98 Jan 1968 = 7.80 Dec 1973 = 13.61

10 Gerald Ford 1974-1976 15.93 Dec 1976 = 12.66 Jan 1975 = 19.90

11 Jimmy Carter 1977-1980 16.27 Apr 1978 = 12.60 Jun 1980 = 21.98

9 Ronald Reagan 1981-1988 12.19 Dec 1986 = 7.70 Sep 1981 = 19.33

8 George H. W. Bush 1989-1992 10.68 Sep 1989 = 9.64 Nov 1990 = 12.47

4 Bill Clinton 1993-2000 7.80 Apr 1998 = 5.74 Jan 1993 = 10.56

6 George W. Bush 2001 - Mar 2008 8.01 Oct 2006 = 5.71 Sep 2005 = 9.79



couple that with gas shortages, horrible pollution and disco, and you have far and away the worst administration ever under jimmy carter.

its ironic that he's one of the most vocal critics of the bush administration. typical hypocrisy of the liberals.


So Carter took the index from a 19.90 under Ford and raised it all the way up to 21.98. Considering all of the circumstances globally not bad at all.
 
2008-05-20 09:35:03 PM
Shaftoe: OOOHHH snap, calling out Skleenar on the McCain-whore plagiarism. Nice job.

I wasn't the only one, I noticed, nor the first. I'm not sure about his reasons, anyway. It could be posted out of a sense of irony.
 
2008-05-20 09:35:26 PM
Four Horsemen of the Domestic Dispute: LUCKY FOR HIM, HE'S RUNNING AGAINST A attractive and successful African-American...

buffetoblog.files.wordpress.com
 
2008-05-20 09:43:50 PM
ah3133

Now that you mention it, let's add political affiliation to your whole chart:

Misery index (best to worst):
1 - Republican - Eisenhower
2 - Democrat - LBJ
3 - Democrat - JFK
4 - Democrat - Clinton
5 - Democrat - Truman
6 - Republican - George W. Bush
7 - Republican - Nixon
8 - Republican - George H.W. Bush
9 - Republican - Reagan
10 -Republican - Ford
11 - Democrat - Carter

There's a general pattern here, not sure I can put my finger on it.
 
2008-05-20 10:03:58 PM
Relatively Obscure: Shaftoe: OOOHHH snap, calling out Skleenar on the McCain-whore plagiarism. Nice job.

I wasn't the only one, I noticed, nor the first. I'm not sure about his reasons, anyway. It could be posted out of a sense of irony.


If posted out of a sense of irony I retract my statement and request that it be stricken from the record.

And I did indeed see the previous post referencing McCain's talking points of the day, but thought that was just sarcasm.

Your courteousness in linking the quote in context brought the perspective needed for my dimlibwit to put two and two together.

So thanks for that, anyway.
 
2008-05-20 10:04:09 PM
RIDETHEWALRUS: TheBigJerk:

Reagan, not Bush, holds the honor of "worst president evar."


It looks like you learned to spell under the Carter administration.

I understand why people dislike Reagan though, it is rough being on top, which is exactly where we have been for a quarter of a century thanks to the Gipper


Nice job Rotskying yourself, moran.
 
2008-05-20 10:44:18 PM
OK, all intelligent or partisantard arguments aside, props to Skleenar. Dude, if tuna fishermen had your bait the fish would have gone extinct in the '30s.
 
2008-05-20 10:51:42 PM
TurboCrip: ah3133

Now that you mention it, let's add political affiliation to your whole chart:

Misery index (best to worst):
1 - Republican - Eisenhower
2 - Democrat - LBJ
3 - Democrat - JFK
4 - Democrat - Clinton
5 - Democrat - Truman
6 - Republican - George W. Bush
7 - Republican - Nixon
8 - Republican - George H.W. Bush
9 - Republican - Reagan
10 -Republican - Ford
11 - Democrat - Carter

There's a general pattern here, not sure I can put my finger on it.


We had it the best when a Republican was president?
 
2008-05-20 11:17:12 PM
McCain will do anything to be President before he dies.
 
2008-05-20 11:49:01 PM
Christian Republican Gun Slinger: TurboCrip: ah3133

Now that you mention it, let's add political affiliation to your whole chart:

Misery index (best to worst):
1 - Republican - Eisenhower
2 - Democrat - LBJ
3 - Democrat - JFK
4 - Democrat - Clinton
5 - Democrat - Truman
6 - Republican - George W. Bush
7 - Republican - Nixon
8 - Republican - George H.W. Bush
9 - Republican - Reagan
10 -Republican - Ford
11 - Democrat - Carter

There's a general pattern here, not sure I can put my finger on it.

We had it the best when a Republican was president?


also, if you go back and look, clinton's high point is actually higher than bush's. its only the average that's lower, but not by much.
 
2008-05-21 01:15:28 AM
eabod: MasterThief: ...and Obama's, too.

Obama has over 1.5 million donors, averaging contributions around $100. McCain's 96 legislation would not have affected that at all. Even if you souped it up to include former lobbyists, family members of lobbyists, etc. etc.... how many of that 1.5 mil do you think would be excluded?

Like him or now, Obama is running a clean campaign.


Whats great is you people actually believe that only individuals are giving to his campaign and absolutely zero lobbying groups are giving to him under different names. Ignorance must be a wonderful place to be mentally.
 
2008-05-21 07:38:15 AM
steamingpile: e actually believe that only individuals are giving to his campaign and absolutely zero lobbying

Proof/source or stfu
 
2008-05-21 02:12:08 PM
I think what huffington said in 1996 would cripple what she has to say today as well.
 
2008-05-21 03:28:42 PM
McCain's wife was fired for stealing drugs.
 
2008-05-21 04:19:47 PM
JabbaTheButt: 3 liberals running for president.
I have no one to vote for, only 3 people to vote against.

I would much prefer to have a candidate I support rather than a "I hate him/her the least" vote to cast.

Sigh....
Where is Ronald W. Reagan when you need him......


Where he belongs.
 
2008-05-21 11:17:26 PM
steamingpile wrote:

Whats great is you people actually believe that only individuals are giving to his campaign and absolutely zero lobbying groups are giving to him under different names. Ignorance must be a wonderful place to be mentally.

No. What people believe this that Obama has far, far more low dollar donors than any other candidate in history and that these millions of low dollar donors have propelled him to the nomination.

Contrast that with the massive war chest that Bush accumulated in 2000 from almost exclusively large contributors and you have an idea why people are impressed by this new way things could get done.

It is a step in the direction of having the regular folks contribute to who wins the election.
 
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