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2008-05-20 09:27:02 AM  
Hah. Clicked 3 times. Voted negatives 3 times. Troll headline is full of troll.
 
2008-05-20 09:27:35 AM  
 
2008-05-20 09:27:46 AM  
It's amazing how the American Thinker seems to contain no evidence of thinking at all.
 
2008-05-20 09:30:28 AM  
I came here to see posts of crying baby pictures.

That is all.
 
2008-05-20 09:34:59 AM  
I came here to see the Obama lemmings try to bury this thread. So far, not disappointed.
 
2008-05-20 09:37:44 AM  
Kome: It's amazing how the American Thinker seems to contain no evidence of thinking at all.

Isn't it ironic, don't you think?
 
2008-05-20 09:37:52 AM  
14 clicks. 13 negatives. Gonna be one of those days apparently. The NRO link describing the impending Obamacaust should be along any minute.
 
2008-05-20 09:40:24 AM  
your hate just makes us stronger
 
2008-05-20 09:43:54 AM  
I actually read the article, and I feel the need to apologize to myself. I should never have put myself through something like that. I'm sorry, me.

So much stupid in such a small space.
 
2008-05-20 09:44:34 AM  
One thing I've noticed lately.

The Obama is for change. The Obama will solve our problems. Do not question The Obama. Do not criticize The Obama. Trust in The Obama.
 
2008-05-20 09:45:31 AM  
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OMG!!! A CRITICISM OF OUR LORD AND SAVIOR BARACK!

The degree with which Obama supporters hate criticism is unsettling.
 
2008-05-20 09:46:25 AM  
People who criticize the government or the President are traitors.

"Yay!" say conservatives.

Lay off my wife.

"OMG, he's trying to make rules!!!!!" scream the conservatives

Conservative thinking at it's finest.
 
2008-05-20 09:47:40 AM  
I only regret that I have but one -1 to give this article.
 
2008-05-20 09:48:08 AM  
As for Obama's wife, he's looking for the same treatment McCain's wife is getting. Cindy doesn't release her tax returns because her "husband is running," AKA, "don't make this about me. Make it about him." Yet the Tenn. GOP turns around and attacks Obama's wife as if she were the nominee.
 
2008-05-20 09:49:46 AM  
HulkHands: As for Obama's wife, he's looking for the same treatment McCain's wife is getting. Cindy doesn't release her tax returns because her "husband is running," AKA, "don't make this about me. Make it about him." Yet the Tenn. GOP turns around and attacks Obama's wife as if she were the nominee.

I haven't seen Cindy out there stumping for her husband like Michelle. And the criticism is of things she said in those campaign speeches. How is that not fair game?
 
2008-05-20 09:50:19 AM  
HulkHands: As for Obama's wife, he's looking for the same treatment McCain's wife is getting. Cindy doesn't release her tax returns because her "husband is running," AKA, "don't make this about me. Make it about him." Yet the Tenn. GOP turns around and attacks Obama's wife as if she were the nominee.

this.
 
2008-05-20 09:50:55 AM  
How about I talk about your whore wife?

That's always a good icebreaker at a party.
 
2008-05-20 09:50:58 AM  
Nabb1: The degree with which Obama supporters hate criticism is unsettling.

Do you consider this, The Obama is for change. The Obama will solve our problems. Do not question The Obama. Do not criticize The Obama. Trust in The Obama. criticism?

Do you consider this I came here to see the Obama lemmings try to bury this thread. So far, not disappointed. criticism?

In general, I've been heartened by the number of Obama supporters in on Fark who actually have conversant knowledge of his policies.


Hrm, time for HillybillyPharmacist goodness.

Wall of Text Ahead!

So you're a conservative. Why should you vote for Obama?

1. TAXES. As a member of the Illinois State Senate, Sen. Obama was cosponsor of a bill which ultimately passed, creating the largest tax cut in state history. Since the start of his presidential campaign, he has consistently favored a broad-based middle class tax cut. By contrast, Sen. McCain "voted against tax cuts before he voted for them", and has no real credibility on this issue. McCain was very critical of the Bush tax cuts, which gave us years of prosperity - until very recently.

2. SPENDING. Most Republicans' biggest gripe with their own party - by far - is its failure to control the bureaucracy and reign in runaway federal spending and deficits. While the last five (5) Republican Presidents promised fiscal responsibility and balanced budgets, all of them grew discretionary civilian spending by tremendous amounts, and ran up ever larger deficits. Meanwhile, only Pres. Bill Clinton balanced the federal budget, and produced four years of surpluses, with the same forecast long into the indefinite future. A big problem with the federal budget is that almost nobody knows where all the money is going; its easy to add earmarks and pork barrel spending and special interest giveaways when the people back home cant tell the difference. Sen. Barack Obama's major legislative accomplishment in the Senate, the The Federal Funding Accountability and Transparency Act of 2006 has brought transparency to federal spending. http://www.federalspending.gov is the website Obama's legislation created, a veritable "Google of the Federal Budget", where anyone can research every dollar to see where their tax money is actually going. The whole Federal Rathole is now online, for the first time ever, inviting scrutiny from whoever has the patience to slog through it all. You don't have to be a CPA to realize that this does more in the long run to control wasteful federal spending than all the speeches Bush, Bush, Reagan, Ford, and Nixon ever gave on the subject, put together.

3. BIG GOVERNMENT. In his North Carolina victory speech, among other things, Sen. Obama uttered the words "We don't need Big Government". Pres. Bill Clinton's National Performance Review reduced the federal civilian workforce by 250,000 positions (ones they will consider, rightly or wrongly, to be useless tax-sucking bureaucrats). This makes the last Democratic administration the only presidency since Eisenhower's to leave office with a smaller federal workforce that he started with - again, Bush, Bush, Reagan, Ford, and Nixon notwithstanding. But, the real stones Obama brings to the table on this issue are his formative years on the south side of Chicago, doing meaningful community social work through voluntary, faith-based, non-governmental community organizations, rather than government bureaucracies. Yes, We CAN - rehabilitate the homeless, educate the illiterate, provide day care for single moms, dry out alcoholics, and clean junkies off the dope without building perpetual bureaucracies - Obama himself has proven that, through social entrepreneurship. By contrast, John McCain has never drawn a day's pay that didn't come from the public trough, courtesy of your tax dollars (getting fabulously rich by dumping wife #1 and marrying an heiress or taking money under the table from special interests he did favors for doesn't count as 'earning money in the productive sector').

4. PERSONAL LIBERTY. Barry Goldwater must be rolling over in his grave over what debasements of the U.S. Constitution the Bush Administration has gotten itself into, and which the man who took his seat in the U.S. Senate, John McCain now ardently defends. Warrantless domestic wiretapping, warrantless searches and seizures, arresting U.S. citizens without probable cause, holding them without trial, etc., etc....No REAL conservative believes these things are legitimate prerogatives of the federal government. There are innumerable horror stories you can research and recount of how the GOP has sat idly by while our cherished Constitutional protections have been ignored, abrogated, and turned into a joke. The last thing real conservatives want is the Orwellian Police State we're presently heading for.

5. NATIONAL SECURITY. To the rejoinder, "yes, but its worked, we haven't been attacked since 9/11", you must add: "BUT, we haven't foreclosed the threat by taking out al Qaeda, either". The National Security argument is like the Tax-and-Spend one, it doesn't matter where you stand on "bombing al Qaeda back to the stone age" - the fact remains that your Republican friends will vote for the candidate they perceive to be most in tune with that idea, period. McCain vocally disagrees with the successful CIA program to take out al Qaeda leadership when located in northwest Pakistan, without alerting the local tribal authorities and Pakistani Intelligence, who have always warned off our targets in the past. Sen. Obama, by contrast, opposes giving al Qaeda sanctuary in Pakistan, and ardently supports this initiative. When McCain attacked Obama as naive for "wanting to bomb an ally", the very next day the CIA took out the #3 leader in al Qaeda with just such a raid, with a missile fired from a Predator drone. Coddling Pakistan's corrupt dictator for these eight years hasn't made us safer, and John McCain's simplistic continuation of this weak policy is just being Soft on Terrorism, no way around it. Also, its worth noting that whatever other implications it may have for John McCain's Character, Psyche, or Mental Makeup, having a plane shot out from under you and spending six years behind bars does not automatically qualify anyone as a "national security expert"; that notion is just ludicrous on the face of it.

6. OPPORTUNITY. While John McCain's four-star Admiral father ensured him a prized appointment to the U.S. Naval Academy at Annapolis, his performance - 894th out of 899 cadets in his class - does not attest to diligent effort, whereas Barack Obama (from a broken home, on food stamps) won competitive academic scholarships to Harvard, which he proved himself worthy of by graduating Magna Cum Laude ("With Highest Honors"). Its been a long time since any politicians of either party could talk convincingly about "The American Dream", but Barack Obama can, because he lived it. Without handouts, family patronage, or inheritance, he pulled himself up by his bootstraps from the Chicago ghetto through his own hard work, enterprise, and initiative to become President of the Harvard Law Review, one of the most prestigious scholarly legal journals in the country. Which President is more likely to make a difference in the lives of people, and motivate them with initiative to best achieve their individual God-given potential?

7. SMALL BUSINESS, ECONOMIC GROWTH, INNOVATION. Of the candidates, Obama is the only one who had a small business plan. 99% of all employers are small businesses, and small businesses create new jobs faster and more efficiently than all other approaches. He will make the R & D tax credit permanent, and, while he will be increasing capital gains, he will have exceptions for small business owners. Obama would raise most rates on dividends and capital gains from their current top of 15 percent to between 24 percent and 25 percent with the goal of generating new revenue and paying for middle-class tax simplification. But to insure against a negative impact on innovation and new business formation, Obama would have a zero rate on capital gains for entrepreneurs, venture capitalists and small-business owners forming new enterprises. "He is being careful not to disturb innovation," said Goolsbee. Most of the highest taxes, he says, would fall on "gains from the past." In a small business, where your income can fluctuate wildly, and where revenue recognition can happen 2-3 years after your expenses, taxing growth is a very bitter pill to swallow.
 
2008-05-20 09:51:43 AM  
Nabb1: OMG!!! A CRITICISM OF OUR LORD AND SAVIOR BARACK!

The degree with which Obama supporters hate criticism is unsettling.


Ya think?..:)
 
2008-05-20 09:56:29 AM  
Wow. I haven't seen D_I_A for a long while. Good to have you back, buddy.

I don't think anyone minds legitimate criticism of Obama, which this is not. Seriously guys, there are real things to attack him over. Whining that he doesn't roll over when you poke him with a stick is kind of silly.
 
2008-05-20 09:56:35 AM  
Did you know his middle name is Pussy?
 
2008-05-20 09:57:06 AM  
Obdicut: Do you consider this, The Obama is for change. The Obama will solve our problems. Do not question The Obama. Do not criticize The Obama. Trust in The Obama. criticism?

I consider that a cheeky joke, and appropriate for a website where the mascot is a squirrel with extremely large testicles.

Do you consider this I came here to see the Obama lemmings try to bury this thread. So far, not disappointed. criticism?

I think the negative votes and the near hysterical reactions speak for themselves.

In general, I've been heartened by the number of Obama supporters in on Fark who actually have conversant knowledge of his policies.


Hrm, time for HillybillyPharmacist goodness.

Wall of Text Ahead!

So you're a conservative. Why should you vote for Obama?


Look, Tolstoy, I appreciate your efforts, but every damned Obama thread turns into an attempt to have people campaign on his behalf. And you wonder why people think Obama supporters are like a cult? It's becoming like Scientology - Publish a criticism and get shouted down and then they attempt to convert you.
 
2008-05-20 09:57:13 AM  
The degree with which Obama supporters hate criticism is unsettling

but at least you only get spittle-flecked and called an idiot when they don't like you--the paulites would accuse you of hating america and no doubt being part of majestic 13 or a willing dupe of the 9/11 conspiracy
 
2008-05-20 09:57:35 AM  
I can't wait to see what the old Democrat core do when they realize what they're dealing with with Obama's 20-something administration full of "hope" and "change" and hatred for any stupid backwoods toothless cracker who disagrees with them. The dinosaurs will be forced out.

Cha Cha Change!!!!
 
2008-05-20 09:59:09 AM  
Atillathepun: People who criticize the government or the President are traitors.

"Yay!" say conservatives.

Lay off my wife.

"OMG, he's trying to make rules!!!!!" scream the conservatives

Conservative thinking at it's finest.


In your first example, you indicate that conservatives want to limit criticism. In your second example you indicate that conservatives want to limit criticism. In your summary you claim that this thinking is contradictory and indicative of flawed logic on their part.

You might want to try that again and see if you come up with a different result.
 
2008-05-20 09:59:26 AM  
And BTW, Obdicut, if I'm off the mark, answer be this: did you type that long post up about why I should vote for Obama off the cuff specifically in response to my comment, or is that a canned response you have saved and at the ready for occasions like this? Because if you can type that damned fast, I'll can my secretary right now and you can have her job.
 
2008-05-20 09:59:38 AM  
Speaks: Wow. I haven't seen D_I_A for a long while.

I haven't seen him since he made my ignore list.
 
2008-05-20 09:59:54 AM  
This is a non-issue.

The GOP has no need to use negative attacks on the Democratic nominee. They can simply rest on the laurels of the significant achievements they've made the past eight years.

This will be an easy win for the GOP.
 
2008-05-20 10:00:10 AM  
Kome: It's amazing how the American Thinker seems to contain no evidence of thinking at all.

That's the American part
 
2008-05-20 10:00:28 AM  
Obdicut: Wall of Text Ahead!

The fact that you have to post so many words to defend Obama just proves that he's an empty suit!
 
2008-05-20 10:00:33 AM  
The cult won't like this when school lets out...
 
2008-05-20 10:00:50 AM  
Nabb1: OMG!!! A CRITICISM OF OUR LORD AND SAVIOR BARACK!

The degree with which Obama supporters hate criticism is unsettling.


Ever notice how our disdain of Obama critiques seems to correlate perfectly with the level of their irrelevancy and capacity to distract from discussing real issues?

Oh you didn't?

You were probably distracted by Sean Hannity screaming for 6 straight months about lapel pins and Obama being in the same room as William Ayers that one time at band camp.

Cheer up super-patriot, it can happen to the best of us.
 
2008-05-20 10:01:43 AM  
Rule 1 Don't criticize family no matter who they are or what they do...Michelle Obama has immunity from condemnation and free reign to denigrate the country and Obama's opponents.

I assume this is in reference to her saying "For the first time in my adult life, I am really proud of my country". You can love your country and still be aware of its faults. In fact, constructive criticism is better than blind loyalty.

Rule 2 Don't criticize any policy that the candidate might have even if he is not mentioned by name.

You can debate his policies all day long for all I care. That's the only debate that should really be taking place, in fact. But be honest in your debate. Saying diplomacy is tantamount to appeasement is ridiculous, and you know it.

Rule 3 Don't imply that Obama's stunning rise to power was the result of anything less than divine intervention.

As an Obama supporter that's an atheist, I find this hilarious.

Rule 4 Don't examine any of Obama's anti-American, racist, terrorist, or criminal associates.

All inflammatory language aside, I believe these topics have been extensively been examined, and nothing of substance has come as a result of it. There's nothing there. Sorry, but our guy is clean.

Anything else?
 
2008-05-20 10:02:30 AM  
The fact that this got greenlit just proves that Fark is nothing but an Obama cult echo chamber.
 
MFL
2008-05-20 10:03:58 AM  
Tastes Like Chicken
Hah. Clicked 3 times. Voted negatives 3 times. Troll headline is full of troll

us.movies1.yimg.com
 
2008-05-20 10:03:59 AM  
American Thinker, hmm, no thanks.
 
2008-05-20 10:03:59 AM  
OneBrightMonkey: You were probably distracted by Sean Hannity screaming for 6 straight months about lapel pins and Obama being in the same room as William Ayers that one time at band camp.

Yes, the personal attacks. Don't debate the merits, turn the argument onto the critic. Hey, don't forget to mention O'Reilly or Limbaugh or any other talking head that annoys me almost as much as that chowderhead, Hannity.
 
2008-05-20 10:04:31 AM  
Mentat: Obdicut: Wall of Text Ahead!

The fact that you have to post so many words to defend Obama just proves that he's an empty suit!


The Bible is much longer - what's that prove about Jeebus?
 
2008-05-20 10:04:46 AM  
Ace Frehley's Ghost: The fact that this got greenlit just proves that Fark is nothing but an Obama cult echo chamber.

I am no stranger to sarcasm.
 
2008-05-20 10:05:03 AM  
Pocket Ninja: Isn't it ironic, don't you think?

A little too ironic.
 
2008-05-20 10:05:04 AM  
Nabb1: Look, Tolstoy, I appreciate your efforts, but every damned Obama thread turns into an attempt to have people campaign on his behalf. And you wonder why people think Obama supporters are like a cult? It's becoming like Scientology - Publish a criticism and get shouted down and then they attempt to convert you.

How DARE we show support to our preferred candidate. We should just stay quiet while people attack him. That's a sure fire way to win a campaign.

Obama gets attacked + no response from supporters = OMG! We're right!
Obama gets attacked + response from supporters = OMG! Cult!
 
2008-05-20 10:05:11 AM  
Turn, turn, turn, turn

Rule 1 Don't criticize family no matter who they are or what they do.

John McCain's wife is a two-bit rich girl who married a man 20 years older than her because she was starstruck, and now they hide their family assets in her name so that he doesn't have to show his elitism. Between 6 houses, private jets, and all kinds of big business money, one can almost taste the conflict of interest.

Rule 2 Don't criticize any policy that the candidate might have even if he is not mentioned by name.

1000 years?

Rule 3 Don't imply that McCain's stunning rise to power was the result of anything less than a Maverick independent streak.

Being more than 85% in lockstep with your party for 2 decades does not make you a maverick; it makes you palatable on a few relatively unimportant policy positions. The big ones - health care, endless war, torture, suspension of habeas corpus, corporate malfeasance, deregulation of key sectors, and the sinking economy - are all issues where calling yourself a maverick is laughable.

Rule 4 Don't examine any of McCain's anti-American, racist, terrorist, or criminal associates.

I heard that McCain spent years in underground communist/terrorist training camps in south east asia during and immediately after the Vietnam war. Why is he a communist? Why does he hate America? He even claimed the US was committing war crimes. Being around those people means he shares their views, of course.
 
2008-05-20 10:05:17 AM  
Nabb1: OMG!!! A CRITICISM OF OUR LORD AND SAVIOR BARACK!

The degree with which Obama supporters hate criticism is unsettling.


After 25 years of Reagan slobbering (did you see those republican debates?) you're side has a lot of gaul to say Barack Obama's supporters have anything on that.
 
2008-05-20 10:05:23 AM  
-1.
 
2008-05-20 10:05:45 AM  
Nabb1: And BTW, Obdicut, if I'm off the mark, answer be this: did you type that long post up about why I should vote for Obama off the cuff specifically in response to my comment, or is that a canned response you have saved and at the ready for occasions like this? Because if you can type that damned fast, I'll can my secretary right now and you can have her job.

I think the fact that he credited another Farker for creating that list, right above it in the same post, likely implies that he didn't type it off the top of his head.
 
2008-05-20 10:06:12 AM  
saintstryfe: Nabb1: OMG!!! A CRITICISM OF OUR LORD AND SAVIOR BARACK!

The degree with which Obama supporters hate criticism is unsettling.

After 25 years of Reagan slobbering (did you see those republican debates?) you're side has a lot of gaul to say Barack Obama's supporters have anything on that.


Where is My Mind?
 
2008-05-20 10:06:47 AM  
Thread needs more Obama smear bingo.
 
2008-05-20 10:06:52 AM  
sigdiamond2000: Nabb1: And BTW, Obdicut, if I'm off the mark, answer be this: did you type that long post up about why I should vote for Obama off the cuff specifically in response to my comment, or is that a canned response you have saved and at the ready for occasions like this? Because if you can type that damned fast, I'll can my secretary right now and you can have her job.

I think the fact that he credited another Farker for creating that list, right above it in the same post, likely implies that he didn't type it off the top of his head.


Quit using reason. It is verboten in Political Threads.
 
2008-05-20 10:07:24 AM  
Obdicut: TAXES

"The idea here is to give everyone one big refund on their government - divvy it up into some tax breaks, hand them out, and encourage everyone to use their share to go buy their own healthcare, their own retirement plan, their own unemployment insurance, education, and so forth."

He will also let Bush's tax cuts expire.

SPENDING

His 10-year, $150 billion program to "establish a green energy sector," His 10-year, $60 billion "National Infrastructure Reinvestment Bank," His nearly universal health care plan (whose annual price tag he low-balls at $50 to $65 billion) and a host of refundable tax credits ranging from $4,000 per year for college students to a tripling of the Earned Income Tax Credit for minimum-wage workers

BIG GOVERNMENT

See above.

PERSONAL LIBERTY.

See Second Amendment.

NATIONAL SECURITY.

Not necessary.

OPPORTUNITY

Only available from the benevolence of Government?

SMALL BUSINESS, ECONOMIC GROWTH, INNOVATION.

Tax the ever loving shiat out of them eh? But set up a program to figure out which ones don't have to pay based on what they are doing. (See BIG GOVERNMENT)
 
2008-05-20 10:07:50 AM  
downtownkid: Atillathepun: People who criticize the government or the President are traitors.

"Yay!" say conservatives.

Lay off my wife.

"OMG, he's trying to make rules!!!!!" scream the conservatives

Conservative thinking at it's finest.

In your first example, you indicate that conservatives want to limit criticism. In your second example you indicate that conservatives want to limit criticism. In your summary you claim that this thinking is contradictory and indicative of flawed logic on their part.

You might want to try that again and see if you come up with a different result.


No, in his second example, he's indicating conservatives don't want any rules to the debate. Nice reading comprehension.
 
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