downtownkid: Hilarious. Re-read your post above keeping in mind that this is the statement Nabb1 made initially:

"The degree with which Obama supporters hate criticism is unsettling."

Yeah, that is some attack on his part. Good thing openminded people such as yourself are here to give a measured appropriate response.

Yes. I was perfectly open minded, going into the Primaries. I've now made a choice. The right has such a HORRIBLE problem with changing your mind (remember Kerry's flop-flopping?), I figure you'd support that?

When you have a lot of choices, you inspect everything, you go with what you think is best. I am. And I'll defend my choice.

Being open minded, (and larger, being liberal) to me means being open to new information, to examine constantly. It doesn't mean being wishy-washy. It doesn't mean passive acceptance of what is wrong. It doesn't mean folding to anything.

Being open-minded is a fight. It's study, a life-long one, in yourself and what you believe. It's philosophy and math and all those subjects that a lot of people want shuffled out of schools.

It's advanced citizenship, as a famous movie quote goes. It's looking across a table, seeing a guy put you down for your beliefs, spout lies and misinformation, and still support his right to speak. All while never ever allowing him to think that just because you don't dive over the table or engage in similar misinformation and lies, that you won't fight back with the truth.

If being open-minded to you means never making a choice, you're wrong. If being open-minded means giving wrong points of view equal time to what's right, then I'm not.

What say you? Is being open minded a positive, or a negative?

He's listening to the people

bulldg4life: If you could find a way to do something other than parrot silly 4 line statements about Obama koolaid or "ObamaTrain" or any other cultish thing you can think of...it might do good.

When you can't discuss issues and you can only attack the other person, it doesn't help your "independent" stance no matter how much you yell and stomp your feet.

It works both ways- Here on FARK you're instantly painted as a racist the second you don't take a heapin' helpful of the Obama medicine....


Or do you not even see that?

Tastes Like Chicken: Hah. Clicked 3 times. Voted negatives 3 times. Troll headline is full of troll.

Rather that respond, I will use this time to reflect on my former eloquence of yesterday

cchris_39: Let's see....you can't talk about his wife. Or his middle name. Or his minister. Or his terrorist friends. Or his attending radical muslim school.

If you disagree with anything he says, it's:

1. Divisive
2. Bigot/racist
3. Fear mongering
4. You're just a troll
5. Or an uneducated redneck
6. Bitterly clinging to your guns and Bible.

Yes, there's a pattern emerging here.....

Can we put you down for a #4 Mr. Chicken?

danlpoon: How are we going to pay for our new Politburo?

Get the fark out of dist-Iraq-tion for one.

Silly hippie.

So if this is a no go, we can bring up McCain's whore wife? Oh........Laura Bush killed a guy.

Nestea Plunge: And I'm the Duke of Normandy.

Nice to meet you, I'm the Duke of Edinburgh.

/which would make me the Prince Consort?
//never mind.

He's electable.

I'm not so sure. I can think of twenty-five reasons he isn't electable. None alone make it so but taken as a whole: Unelectable.

Black
Inexperienced
Jr. State Senator.
Anti-gun
Weak on Crime
Unpatriotic wife
Muslim sounding name
Can't win swing voters
Ties to religious and racial extremists
supports Appeasement as defense policy
Weak on Israel
New Taxes for larger government during a recession
Smoker
Lost California
Lost Florida
Lost Massachusetts
Lost Nevada
Lost New Jersey
Lost New York
Lost Ohio
Lost Pennsylvania
Lost Tennessee
Lost Texas
Lost West Virgina (ouch!)
Won't have the delegate count come Convention.

Nestea Plunge: So if this is a no go, we can bring up McCain's whore wife? Oh........Laura Bush killed a guy.

Or Obama's KKK grandmother.

Mr_Fabulous: Huh...screwed up my tag there. After "danlpoon" it's supposed to say "24/7 obsessive threadshiatting".

LOL I can't get over how many people have hard ons for calling others trolls.

Dude- you are going to meet people you don't agree with on the internet. Get used to it.

Tyee: Most people aren't, tell us why you're so special, tell us some of your concrete ideas and why they maybe better than "someone else", do more than say it will be a change.

Have you...like...listened to the man at all in the past 5 months? Read his website? Listened to the debates? Done any research past repeating what talking points on a TV show tell you to think/say?

Your shady friends and associates? You made that bed, man up and sleep in the wet spot. Its too late to change the past.

*sigh*

What "past"? Please, I'd like to know how evil Obama is. Tell me of his evil past with reasoned explanations and definitive proof.

Nestea Plunge: So if this is a no go, we can bring up McCain's whore wife? Oh........Laura Bush killed a guy.

Amateur. Matthew Broderick killed two.

Get the fark out of dist-Iraq-tion for one.

So it's Okay to deficit-spend for Obama's ideas not Bush's?

At least someone finally admitted Obama will have to deficit spend to achieve even a fraction of what he proposes.

Obama is more like Bush everyday.

Tacoby Bellisbury: It works both ways- Here on FARK you're instantly painted as a racist the second you don't take a heapin' helpful of the Obama medicine....

We don't care as long as you attack something substantive. Haven't seen that yet from the Fark Independents. All you guys post are 4 month old talking points. It's kind of sad, really.

Roll back tax cuts on the top income earners

Reduces revenue. It also reduces entrepreneurship. And increases interest rates. One cannot tax their way to a brighter tomorrow.

danlpoon: I can think of twenty-five reasons he isn't electable.

And here is danlpoon to prove my point. Smoker? Really? Come on. That talking point hasn't been around for ages.

GoldSpider: bulldg4life: I'm proud of America for the first time in my life too.

All it took was a candidate with the right skin color?

For the first time in my life, I'm really proud of a Presidential candidate's tan.

cameroncrazy1984: We don't care as long as you attack something substantive. Haven't seen that yet from the Fark Independents. All you guys post are 4 month old talking points. It's kind of sad, really

Ha! I say something as benign as 'He's not electable, McCain has the edge' and I get flamed for 3 days for being a racist troll. Hang up your hat, it's getting old.

Tacoby Bellisbury: Here on FARK you're instantly painted as a racist the second you don't take a heapin' helpful of the Obama medicine....
Or do you not even see that?

If someone wants to talk about political issues when discussing Obama...go for it.

Currently...we've got flag pins, wife comments, some guy he shook hands with 30 years after the guy did bad stuff, his pastor saying mean things which means Obama MUST believe them, Obama not having issues and only hope/change, no experience, and other stuff I can't think of off the top of my head.

That's not political discussion.

Crude: I can't farking believe I am about to say this:

I respect the people who are voting for Hillary Clinton.

They seem to be actual free-thinkers, for Democrats, that is.

They see the cult of personality in a suit and they don't jump on the bandwagon, that's very rare in that party.


What a strange political year this has been.

Now, be good little Nazi's and continue railing about "neo-cons" (read: Jews and people who support Israel).

Long live Fuhrer Obama! Vee Vill not allow criticism or dissent!

2/10.

Tacoby Bellisbury: Mr_Fabulous: Huh...screwed up my tag there. After "danlpoon" it's supposed to say "24/7 obsessive threadshiatting".

LOL I can't get over how many people have hard ons for calling others trolls.

Dude- you are going to meet people you don't agree with on the internet. Get used to it.

Thanks. I'll take that under advisement. But you should be aware that danlpoon is a notorious threadshiatter who hangs out on Obama threads and shiats them obsessively, 24/7. If you didn't know this already, then consider yourself informed.

/it's da troof

Black
Inexperienced
Jr. State Senator.
Anti-gun
Weak on Crime
Unpatriotic wife
Muslim sounding name/Muslim educated
Can't win swing voters
Ties to religious and racial extremists
supports Appeasement as defense policy
Weak on Israel
New Taxes for larger government during a recession
Smoker
Lost California
Lost Florida
Lost Massachusetts
Lost Nevada
Lost New Jersey
Lost New York
Lost Ohio
Lost Pennsylvania
Lost Tennessee
Lost Texas
Lost West Virgina (ouch!)
Won't have the delegate count come Convention.
__________________________________________________

Unelectable.

danlpoon: Reduces revenue. It also reduces entrepreneurship.

No it doesn't, when coupled with a $1k tax credit for middle-class wage-earners. Guess how much small businessmen make? Usually less than $200k. Guess where the tax cut will fall? Less than $200k. Guess you're just wrong again.

Nabb1: McCain is old. Refute that.

I can't. Dude is so old that he shiats dust. Dude is so old that when he first got elected to the Senate, there were only ten laws and they were written on two stone tablets. Guy is so old his blood type is "Metamucil."

Ok, that was really funny. metamucil. hehehe.

bulldg4life: If someone wants to talk about political issues when discussing Obama...go for it.

Currently...we've got flag pins, wife comments, some guy he shook hands with 30 years after the guy did bad stuff, his pastor saying mean things which means Obama MUST believe them, Obama not having issues and only hope/change, no experience, and other stuff I can't think of off the top of my head.

That's not political discussion.

Neither is the rabid mouth-spittle sprayed by obamanuts

Tacoby Bellisbury: cameroncrazy1984: We don't care as long as you attack something substantive. Haven't seen that yet from the Fark Independents. All you guys post are 4 month old talking points. It's kind of sad, really

Ha! I say something as benign as 'He's not electable, McCain has the edge' and I get flamed for 3 days for being a racist troll. Hang up your hat, it's getting old.

Well, Mr. Persecution complex, how about a link to said unwarranted flaming? I don't believe you.

Tacoby Bellisbury: I say something as benign as 'He's not electable, McCain has the edge'

Back it up, then. Polls show Obama pulling ahead (albeit marginally). But to say McCain has the edge at this point in the race is, frankly, stupid. His fundraising is pathetic.

Tacoby Bellisbury: It works both ways- Here on FARK you're instantly painted as a racist the second you don't take a heapin' helpful of the Obama medicine....

Well that's much different than you, specifically, being painted as a racist because you have made race-baiting comments.

Wow, there is a lot of whining in this thread.

This is why we can't have nice things, people. Half of you b*tch because it isn't the nice thing YOU wanted.

This should speeed things up





And yet, unlike all the shiat you've been saying- It's true!


Have fun praying 5x a day

cameron

I'd need to remove half my brain to be dumb enough to argue at your level. I rarely make personal posts but my advice to you is take up golf or something. This ain't for you.

cameroncrazy1984: Tacoby Bellisbury: I say something as benign as 'He's not electable, McCain has the edge'

Back it up, then. Polls show Obama pulling ahead (albeit marginally). But to say McCain has the edge at this point in the race is, frankly, stupid. His fundraising is pathetic.

His edge is that he's white.

Tacoby Bellisbury: And yet, unlike all the shiat you've been saying- It's true!

Good god really? Even the good trolls don't go with YEAR OLD bullsh*t. Come on. You can do better! I know you can!

GaryPDX: Kome: Wow, there is a lot of whining in this thread.

This is why we can't have nice things, people. Half of you b*tch because it isn't the nice thing YOU wanted.

Back in the day, I really wanted Heather Locklear. Now it's just a tired old cooter.

Bah! I'd still hit it!

danlpoon 2008-05-20 11:07:53 AM
Barack Obama has some good ideas. We simply can't afford any of them. When you analyze his platform most of it represents a new expenditure (requiring new revenue), a platitude or an expansion of the federal government:
I'll sit right here while you do the same thing for the platforms of Hillary and McCain.

You WERE planning to see if any of the other options were any better, weren't you?

Nabb1: increase in the tax liability for someone who earns even $100k when the Bush tax cuts expire?

What are you on about? I'm talking about rolling back the tax cuts on the top 1% and putting them back at pre-Bush levels. The economy was so bad then, revenue was so bad then, wasn't it? Trickle-down theory JUST DOESN'T WORK.

Then again, hey. Look at who he's had to learn from.

"Slick Willie", the man to whom no criticism could stick
"Dubya", the man who may be criticized, he just doesn't give a f*ck what you think

danlpoon: I'd need to remove half my brain to be dumb enough to argue at your level. I rarely make personal posts but my advice to you is take up golf or something. This ain't for you.

I do play golf. I live in one of the greatest golf towns in the northeast. Anyway, if you can't keep up with me, I understand. Continue concern trolling, it's pretty hilarious.

danlpoon: The Anti-Obama sentiment is mounting.

Cynthia Ruccia, 55, a sales director for Mary Kay cosmetics in Columbus, Ohio, is organizing a group, Clinton Supporters Count Too, of mostly women in swing states who plan to campaign against Mr. Obama in November. "We, the most loyal constituency, are being told to sit down, shut up and get to the back of the bus," she said.

Be smart Dems. Don't nominate Obama. He can't win. Hillary could BARELY win, maybe. But Obama is unelectable.

Isn't that one of the chics from Hillaryis44? I seem to remember that being quoted in an article linking that website to that organization.

/cereal.
//Wouldn't put too much behind this, as it will completely go away once Hillary concedes.

Tacoby Bellisbury: This should speeed things up

And yet, unlike all the shiat you've been saying- It's true!
Have fun praying 5x a day

Oh, sweet Jebus. It's one of those. And I engaged it in conversation. Ugh.

/won't step in that again

bulldg4life: Have you...like...listened to the man at all in the past 5 months? Read his website? Listened to the debates? Done any research past repeating what talking points on a TV show tell you to think/say?

Yes, I've read the web site and find quite a bit of idealist and unrealistic thinking there. I don't watch tv other than some PBS, sports, history and nature, so I don't know any "talking points". I read books, many on history.

Sorry I can't ignore who he has dealt with. His pastor, why after 20 years did he become a problem now? A man who Obama only now seems to be distancing himself from, it only took Ophra 2 years before she saw what Wright was about and left that church.
As for Resko that was a stupid choice to be with if you want a political future, and Ayers, well please, defend that.

I have work to do, back later if I can.