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quickdraw		2008-05-20 11:01:15 AM

Nabb1: What is a "concern troll"?

Somebody who pretends to support a point of view (or candidate) who then goes on to express all their doubts about said issue/candidate that mimic the talking points opposed to the issue/candidate.

Wikipedia has a good entry about it. there is some history to it.

I love the term. Its so apt.

Anyway Nabby you seem like smart dude. Why are you surprised that Obama gets so much love on Fark? Why does it shock you that a percentage of farkers express an excess of youthful enthusiasm about a candidate? What eles would you expect to find on fark?

You live in freaking Portland which is as close to RL Fark as you are ever gonna get. You must be used to it by now. What are you really afraid of?

Dancin_In_Anson		2008-05-20 11:01:38 AM

Oh and for those of you keeping score, the vote on this thread is now -65.

Odd.

danlpoon		2008-05-20 11:01:41 AM

If I say that's stupid, his policies are clear as day in his campaign materials, in his speeches, and on his website, talk about the issues, I'm just another worshipper.

YOU ARE another worshipper because he DOES NOT provide any clear details about the issues.

From Obama's website:

As president, Barack Obama will implement a 21st century economic agenda to help ensure that America can compete in a global economy, and ensure the middle class is thriving and growing. He will increase investments in infrastructure, energy independence, education, and research and development; modernize and simplify our tax code so it provides greater opportunity and relief to more Americans; and implement trade policies that benefit American workers and increase the export of American goods.

He's gonna thrive and grow our independence for our benefit by competing, researching and modernizing!

IT'S RIGHT THERE In HALF-BLACK and WHITE!

Tor_Eckman		2008-05-20 11:01:59 AM

Ace Frehley's Ghost		2008-05-20 11:02:03 AM

Tartha De Tear: Nabb1: What is a "concern troll"?

Say I support Candidate B and want to raise doubts about Candidate A. Instead of genuinely raising doubts about Candidate A from a publicly stated position of supporting Candidate B, I pretend to support Candidate A and try to instill doubt and concern (thus the "concern" part) in genuine supporters of Candidate A.

OR pretend to support candidate C (who is in the same party as A), thusly:

"The X party is really going to miss the boat if they nominate A instead of C. C is the only one who can beat B in the general election." (see also Suicidal Writer)

Dancin_In_Anson		2008-05-20 11:02:16 AM

Nabb1: I'm sorry I'm not up on the variations of trolls.

You disagree. That's enough.

Nabb1		2008-05-20 11:02:18 AM

DaSwankOne: Nabb1: McCain supporters on the internet just don't blow a gasket as much when you criticize him.

Most McCain supporters can't figure out why there is a typewriter with a string that attaches to that grey television with no remote.

Good point. I had an age joke in mind to add but it wasn't as good as that one.

KaponoFor3		2008-05-20 11:02:24 AM

Tartha De Tear: However, the reason I'm voting for Obama is the same as before the campaign went down: I want a constitutional scholar installing the next few SCOTUS justices.

On that note, not all of those who teach Constitutional Law are what I would call "constitutional scholars". I had more than a few professors in law school who had a very warped view of what the constitution was/stood for.

Dancin_In_Anson: Then you're shiat out of luck unless "empathy" and "feeling" are points of Constitutional scholarship

When are we gonna get a thread on that one?

LocalCynic		2008-05-20 11:02:53 AM

Nabb1: I didn't know I was pretending to support Obama and raise doubts about Obama instead of declaring I am a McCain supporter. Which I'm not. I have doubts about him, too. McCain supporters on the internet just don't blow a gasket as much when you criticize him.

Do you support anyone, or are you just a negative nabob who criticizes without offering an alternative?

danlpoon		2008-05-20 11:03:27 AM

Is that commie code for something?

I's the Fark version of jamming one's fingers in one's ears and repeating, "Nyah, Nyah, Nyah". Until the scary moderates stop saying bad things about Barack ObaMao.

lunchinlewis		2008-05-20 11:03:42 AM

wittle feelwings hurt

+1 just for that alone.

MFL		2008-05-20 11:04:17 AM

Wendy's Chili
Cindy McCain is a home-wrecking drug-addict.

There is a difference. Cindy McCain has stayed on the sidelines for the most part. She's not out doing speeches other than the occasional introduction of her husband. She is basically cheerleader, nothing more.

Michelle Obama and Bill Clinton have been engaged in the politically in the campaign. They are flinging mud at each other, giving speeches, and working the stump. They are active players, not cheerleaders. There is a difference. Michelle said this is the "first time in her adult life she is proud of her country." I'm sorry but when you go out and say shait like that, you deserve all the flack you get.

gilgigamesh		2008-05-20 11:04:21 AM

Dancin_In_Anson: The Obama is for change. The Obama will solve our problems. Do not question The Obama. Do not criticize The Obama. Trust in The Obama.

Terra-daloo!!

Tartha De Tear		2008-05-20 11:04:22 AM

Dancin_In_Anson: Tartha De Tear: I want a constitutional scholar installing the next few SCOTUS justices.

Then you're shiat out of luck unless "empathy" and "feeling" are points of Constitutional scholarship.

KaponoFor3: On that note, not all of those who teach Constitutional Law are what I would call "constitutional scholars". I had more than a few professors in law school who had a very warped view of what the constitution was/stood for.

Both are interesting points...but I'll take the word of the U of C staff that he knows what he's talking about. Thanks for your input, though.

Lando Lincoln		2008-05-20 11:04:34 AM

GoldSpider: ONOZ Obama will lose if I don't rabidly defend him on FARK!!

You guys are more narcissistic than the Paulistinians.

ONOZ Obama will win if I don't rabidly attack him on FARK!!

Don't say stupid shiat if you don't want it thrown back at you.

quickdraw		2008-05-20 11:04:40 AM

DaSwankOne: I am sorry for that one.

No worries. I knew what you meant. You can't let Cokie get under your skin though. She's just a ratings whore like all the rest.

Car_Ramrod		2008-05-20 11:04:50 AM

danlpoon: Is that commie code for something?

I's the Fark version of jamming one's fingers in one's ears and repeating, "Nyah, Nyah, Nyah". Until the scary moderates stop saying bad things about Barack ObaMao.

Ooh. That's a new one. Kinda like it, actually.

WaltzingMathilda		2008-05-20 11:05:20 AM

GaryPDX: I can't wait to see what the old Democrat core do when they realize what they're dealing with with Obama's 20-something administration full of "hope" and "change" and hatred for any stupid backwoods toothless cracker who disagrees with them. The dinosaurs will be forced out.

Cha Cha Change!!!!

Well, in all fairness, the stupid backwoods toothless crackers shouldn't really be allowed to vote anyway. Nor should national policies have much to do with their concerns.

They're too easily misled by talking points and when things get too complicated they retreat to Nascar or WWE until the next time someone reminds them that a black muslim is running for president. Then they get all angry and decide they're going to vote for a 70-year old white man who's going to ensure that (i) their jobs get sent overseas, (ii) they'll be carrying the tax burden of the country while their wealthy former bosses are vacationing with significant tax breaks (see! i lowered taxes, just not for you poor farkers who voted for me!), (iii) their brothers, cousins and sisters will die in a foreign country fighting for the US's economic interests in a desert halfway around the world, and (iv) enough conservative judges are appointed to the bench so that the queers who live 1500 miles away don't get married.

Because by god they will not have a muslim attractive and successful african american running this country.

/yes, i just played the race card
//we were talking about backwoods toothless crackers after all

Nabb1		2008-05-20 11:05:24 AM

quickdraw: Anyway Nabby you seem like smart dude. Why are you surprised that Obama gets so much love on Fark? Why does it shock you that a percentage of farkers express an excess of youthful enthusiasm about a candidate? What eles would you expect to find on fark?

I'm not surprised.

You live in freaking Portland which is as close to RL Fark as you are ever gonna get.

No, I don't. I live in New Orleans.

Ace Frehley's Ghost: OR pretend to support candidate C (who is in the same party as A), thusly:

"The X party is really going to miss the boat if they nominate A instead of C. C is the only one who can beat B in the general election." (see also Suicidal Writer)

That's far too much effort for teh internets, for me, anyway. YMMV.

Tastes Like Chicken		2008-05-20 11:06:16 AM

Nabb1: Tartha De Tear: Nabb1: What is a "concern troll"?

Say I support Candidate B and want to raise doubts about Candidate A. Instead of genuinely raising doubts about Candidate A from a publicly stated position of supporting Candidate B, I pretend to support Candidate A and try to instill doubt and concern (thus the "concern" part) in genuine supporters of Candidate A.

Oh, I see. I thought maybe it was some distant relation of a cave troll. I didn't know I was pretending to support Obama and raise doubts about Obama instead of declaring I am a McCain supporter. Which I'm not. I have doubts about him, too. McCain supporters on the internet just don't blow a gasket as much when you criticize him.

I wouldn't label you as a concern troll. Or any kind of troll really. So far you seem like one of the more rational of the bunch in the anti-Obama camp, and I never get the feeling that you don't really think the things you post.

DaSwankOne: Most McCain supporters can't figure out why there is a typewriter with a string that attaches to that grey television with no remote.

I was going to say something similar, but that was much funnier than I could have managed.

we_hates		2008-05-20 11:06:39 AM

That crybaby Obama. He won't let people talk about stuff that he says isn't important. Who does he think he is? Wait, who's the crybaby?

And for what it's worth, if you have an (R) after your name, you look a blithering idiot for criticizing someone for trying to control what issues are discussed. You look even worse for the fact that important topics are fair game, but no matter what you would look like an idiot. "Catapult the propoganda" ring a farking bell?

sigdiamond2000		2008-05-20 11:07:09 AM

KaponoFor3: Are the Obamamaniacs becoming the new Paulistinians?

Some say yes.

Nestea Plunge		2008-05-20 11:07:14 AM

danlpoon: Until the scary moderates stop saying bad things about Barack ObaMao.

So now you're calling yourself 'moderates'?

Chester the Snake		2008-05-20 11:07:32 AM

quickdraw:
I mean if this was a website about pet care then it would be kind of odd but since this is the poli tab on fark I don't know what else you would expect.

I get what you're saying (about Farkers being the same demographic as Obama supporters), but it seems like back the day Farkers used to be open to debate, skeptical about anything and everyone, and funny. All the things Obama fans here are not.

/has been around these parts for a long, long time
//under a different name

Dubya's_Coke_Dealer		2008-05-20 11:07:40 AM

Nabb1: Tartha De Tear: Nabb1: What is a "concern troll"?

Say I support Candidate B and want to raise doubts about Candidate A. Instead of genuinely raising doubts about Candidate A from a publicly stated position of supporting Candidate B, I pretend to support Candidate A and try to instill doubt and concern (thus the "concern" part) in genuine supporters of Candidate A.

Oh, I see. I thought maybe it was some distant relation of a cave troll. I didn't know I was pretending to support Obama and raise doubts about Obama instead of declaring I am a McCain supporter. Which I'm not. I have doubts about him, too. McCain supporters on the internet just don't blow a gasket as much when you criticize him.

McCain supporters do not know how to USE the internet. Also, the three supporters young enough to use it have already resigned themselves to a loss, and so they are not on teh Fark political threads.

/Omama is simply the best choice out of the three. If that makes me an Obamamaniac, whatever, dude.

Hang On Voltaire		2008-05-20 11:07:49 AM

It's a trick Bill Clinton used well. If you cannot defend something that you or your associates have done just declare it irrelevant. Obama cannot defend what his wife said so he declares her statements off limits.

danlpoon		2008-05-20 11:07:53 AM

Barack Obama has some good ideas. We simply can't afford any of them. When you analyze his platform most of it represents a new expenditure (requiring new revenue), a platitude or an expansion of the federal government:

Provide a Tax Cut for Working Families: New expenditure

Simplify Tax Filings for Middle Class Americans: Platitude

Fight for Fair Trade: Platitude

Amend the North American Free Trade Agreement: Unilaterally? Platitude

Improve Transition Assistance: Expand a federal program

Support Job Creation- doubles federal funding for research: New expenditure

Invest in U.S. Manufacturing: Platitude AND new expenditure

Create New Job Training Programs for Clean Technologies: New Federal Training program

Boost the Renewable Energy Sector and Create New Jobs-creates new federal policies: Expansion of federal gov't.

Invest in Rural Areas: New expenditure

Office of Indian Policy: New Federal Agency

Obama has an answer for every question but this:

How are we going to pay for our new Politburo?

KaponoFor3		2008-05-20 11:08:13 AM

Tartha De Tear: Both are interesting points...but I'll take the word of the U of C staff that he knows what he's talking about. Thanks for your input, though

Don't just accept the appeal to authority -- just because he was a faculty member at the University of Chicago does not make him right on everything or unassailable in his judicial outlook.

WaltzingMathilda: Well, in all fairness, the stupid backwoods toothless crackers shouldn't really be allowed to vote anyway. Nor should national policies have much to do with their concerns.

Just so you know, similar arguments were made in the past to justify refusing to allow blacks and women to vote.

mtman900		2008-05-20 11:08:35 AM

GaryPDX: Ahhh..okay.

I was half kidding whne I called Nabb1 a concern troll earlier. But, concern troll do exist.

Kind of like Rush Limbaugh or some other republican saying poo-pooing something about a current candidate just because they want the other side to be better positioned to win.

IT's like playing monopoly and when your little brother is bout to build a hotel on boardwalk, making a face and saying "ooh, are you sure you want to do that? What if you land on my Baltic Avenue and you get bankrupt? I think you should keep that money, just to be safe."

That's concern trolling.

error 303		2008-05-20 11:08:48 AM

_Barack HUSSEIN _Obama?

wolvernova		2008-05-20 11:09:07 AM

If the senator doesn't want people criticizing his wife, then maybe he should reign her in and stop her from making jackass speeches for his campaign. Bill Clinton was heavily criticized for his stupid remarks during the campaign. I don't remember Obama telling anybody that he was off limits.

Kuroshin		2008-05-20 11:09:53 AM

MCStymie: Okay, Obama folks. Calm down. Deep breath...

Believe in hope and change for the future.
Believe in hope and change for the future.
Nam Myoho Renge Kyo.
Nam Myoho Renge Kyo.

Full of win.

/GF is member of SGI

Tartha De Tear		2008-05-20 11:10:32 AM

KaponoFor3: Don't just accept the appeal to authority -- just because he was a faculty member at the University of Chicago does not make him right on everything or unassailable in his judicial outlook.

That wasn't the standard I was applying. While his position isn't going to prove he's omniscient, it will provide a good deal of evidence for believing he's more qualified to make the decisions that HRC or McCain.

Nabb1		2008-05-20 11:10:56 AM

Tastes Like Chicken: I wouldn't label you as a concern troll. Or any kind of troll really. So far you seem like one of the more rational of the bunch in the anti-Obama camp, and I never get the feeling that you don't really think the things you post.

Well, I appreciate that. And in case it was lost on anyone, sometimes the things I post are jokes, or are in jest, or even sarcasm.

Dubya's_Coke_Dealer: /Omama is simply the best choice out of the three. If that makes me an Obamamaniac, whatever, dude.

No, that's a fine position to take. There is a difference between merely supporting Obama and being a full-blown "Obamamaniac."

quickdraw		2008-05-20 11:11:00 AM

MFL: She's not out doing speeches other than the occasional introduction of her husband. She is basically cheerleader, nothing more.

Actually she recently stumped for Mccain and criticized Michelle. I'm sorry I don't have the link handy - its still early here in Norcal.

If you really want it I'll search it out.

All that aside it can hardly be said the Cindy is not part of John's campaign. Just because she isn't articulate enough to much more than look good and pay the tab is hardly Michelle's fault.

bulldg4life		2008-05-20 11:11:16 AM

And now, I will present every Obama thread in the history of TF in easy to read step by step format
[Sort of interesting news story that is really stupid when you spend two seconds thinking about it]
[Stupidly insignificant spin to make the story completely pointless but still attempting to attack Obama]
[Headline showing the sheer perfectness of said spin because it is obviously the only thing that matters in a PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN]
[People (call them A) point out the stupidity of the spin]
[Detractors (call them B) scramble to speak down on the above people because it's stupid and Obama is terrible and they know it]
[A thinks B is stupid because they are railing on the same 5 talking points over and over again in the absence of reasoned dialogue]
[B thinks A is cultish and creepy and stupid because they keep responding the same way to the same stupid criticisms. How odd]
rinse. repeat.

It's the same 5 people in every thread. Every time. They rail on whatever the daily "hate obama" mantra is and go to town on all the people that laugh and criticize the current day's stupid attack point.

If you point out the stupidity of the argument or the insignificant talking point, you are a cultish figure that has sipped Obama's koolaid and you can't see the light because you are blinded by hope and change.

If you post and try to explain why something is stupid or why it doesn't make any sense or why side A is doing the same thing as side B...you're just trying to deflect attention from the real issue because you can't defend it.

And for christ sakes, don't post information that you may have researched that explains WHY you should vote for Obama. This is not the place for reasoned political discussion.

This is a place to attack the wife of a nominee because she's proud of America for supporting a black man in his attempt to become the president of the united states.

I'm proud of America for the first time in my life too. F*ck people that hate that statement.

Donald_McRonald		2008-05-20 11:11:38 AM

Dancin_In_Anson: One thing I've noticed lately.

The Obama is for change. The Obama will solve our problems. Do not question The Obama. Do not criticize The Obama. Trust in The Obama.

One thing I've noticed lately. You guys want so desperately to repeat this "people think Obama is the messiah" nonsense.

McCain is old. Refute that.

saintstryfe		2008-05-20 11:12:03 AM

MFL: MFL: It's hard to find merits based criticisms on a person who has so little merit to begin with

DaSwankOne You think that after 4 months of trolling with the empty suit comments and subsequent post and links of the Obama policy positions that one would get bored or have something better to do.

Obama threads kind of remind me of this game.

It's the same thing over and over...but still fun to play.

Actually it reminds me of the last castle in SMB - the one where if you don't take the EXACT right path, you just go in loops forever.

danlpoon		2008-05-20 11:12:21 AM

So now you're calling yourself 'moderates'?

Absolutely. Obama is to the Left what Rick Santorum is to the Right.

In Farkworld Obama may seem 'moderate' but in the real world a tax-and-spend, wealth-redistributing, virulently anti-gun Super-Dove isn't anywhere near the center.

Dancin_In_Anson		2008-05-20 11:12:25 AM

Tartha De Tear: but I'll take the word of the U of C staff over his own words that he knows what he's talking about.

Bliss.

-66

quickdraw		2008-05-20 11:12:35 AM

Nabb1: No, I don't. I live in New Orleans.

Oh sorry - I'm not a morning person. Was thinking of GaryPDX. All you neocons sound the same to me.

/I keed

mtman900		2008-05-20 11:13:01 AM

wolvernova: If the senator doesn't want people criticizing his wife, then maybe he should reign her in and stop her from making jackass speeches for his campaign. Bill Clinton was heavily criticized for his stupid remarks during the campaign. I don't remember Obama telling anybody that he was off limits.

This is why being a moron is a problem.

Barack Obama has actually covered for Bill back when he dropped that dumb South Carolina thing. He urged people not to go for the jugular over that.

Obama isn't about not criticizing people over policy positions, he's against gotcha politics which usually is overblown or fabricated outright. The attack ads on Michelle fall into that category.

jcooli09		2008-05-20 11:13:15 AM

What a crock. Peggy Shapiro lives in Rushland, and her opinions bear no reflection in reality.

GoldSpider		2008-05-20 11:13:16 AM

Lando Lincoln: ONOZ Obama will win if I don't rabidly attack him on FARK!!

Don't say stupid shiat if you don't want it thrown back at you.

You considered my post an attack on Obama? I think you just validated this article, pal.

Kazuya		2008-05-20 11:13:22 AM

GaryPDX [TotalFark] Quote 2008-05-20 11:08:51 AM
I just want to know where I can get a party t-shirt too..

Wooooooo Che Guevara, what a smear!

gtraz		2008-05-20 11:14:06 AM

Michelle had to go out on the trail because Hillary had Bill out their giving speeches. Clinton's campaign could literally be in 2 places at 1 time so Obama had to use his wife too. I would expect to see her campaigning get cut drastically once the nomination is sewn up.

Wendy's Chili		2008-05-20 11:14:09 AM

Lee Jackson Beauregard: I cannot think of a more ringing endorsement of Barack Who's Sane Obama than the sixteen tons of number-one bullschitt that the Liberal Media® are flinging at him.

This.

Democrats come in two different flavors: The true left and Republican-lite.

Examples of true lefties would be:
Jimmy Carter
Bill Bradley
Howard Dean
Barack Obama
Chris Dodd
Jim Webb*
Patrick Murphy*
Claire McCaskill*
* - many 2006 freshmen fall into this catagory

Examples of Republican-lite would be:
Bill Clinton
Al Gore
John Kerry
Hillary Clinton
Ed Rendell
John Murtha
Chuck Schumer
Joe Lieberman (before his total conversion)

The Republican-lite crowd, who have dominated the party since the 1980's, are so convinced that you have to act and vote like a Republican to get elected that they are afraid to give Barack Obama a chance. They are also very comfortable with the way things work in Washington now and are afraid to elect someone who might shake things up and lose them valuable lobbyist perks. That is why we've been seeing this degree of attacks from "liberals".

Tartha De Tear		2008-05-20 11:14:12 AM

Dancin_In_Anson: Tartha De Tear: but I'll take the word of the U of C staff over his own words that he knows what he's talking about.

Bliss.

-66

You don't know me very well if you think a point-blank insult to my intelligence is going to mean a thing.

Seriously, that's just sad.