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2008-05-18 07:43:29 PM
nerfball: Elfich:

Goldman-Sachs recently adjusted its price forecasting for the rest of the year. It was predicting an average oil price of $141/barrel for the second half of the year. That runs to about $4.75-$5.00/gallon. Start budgeting now.

you don't have a clue what you are talking about. the only reason gasoline prices are as high as they are is because GWB is allowing his buddies in big oil to get rich before he leaves office.

barack obama will bring oil down to $30/bbl and once he is president, gasoline will be under $1/ gal.


"you don't have a clue what you are talking about."


Followed up with silly conspiracy theory to replace rational market explanation...Hmmm... I see you in there troll!
www.sideshowtoy.com
 
2008-05-18 08:10:15 PM
Farking Sweet: If people choose to ride with their shoulders and heads at bumper height of what is currently the majority of vehicles on the road that is their choice.

And in the case of the VW Jetta, it is actually safer than driving a Tahoe.

Read the chart, SUV drivers are not even increasing their own safety by buying some of the most popular large SUVs.

If you are concerned about safety, buy a minivan, a Jetta or a Toyota Avalon. If you want to die in a car crash, drive an S-10. The danger to other drivers should be a factor, but if you've reasoned it away somehow, good for you, but that doesn't make an SUV any safer.

Farking Sweet: How is that psychopathic to want to protect ones self?

It's not, but that's not what you're doing when you buy an SUV. You're putting other drivers at risk of injury and death in order to drive a car that makes you feel safer when you actually aren't.
 
2008-05-18 08:19:04 PM
cincoskin: Does Thunderpipes actually believe what he says?

It sounds as if he's on a quest for some sort of troll award.
Some of your comments are blatantly stupid man. You've been called out on every single point you make and you still won't shut up.

how old are you?


I have not been called out on even one. I can easily refute anything the libtrolls say. It is no mystery why gasoline prices are high. Unemployment under Clinton, at the same level as Bush, was hailed as awesome by the media, under Bush, the same numbers are featured as proof of a failed economy.

Liberals are just liars and bitter people. Oil companies profit margins don't change much. Their profits are based on the price of crude, and how much oil they sell, neither of which they directly control. How many liberals actually research this? Probably like 1%, and they lie anyway.
 
2008-05-18 08:24:15 PM
dannyhavok: I love these threads. I love how thunderpipes always posts his under the hood porn. I ride bicycles too, but this is my daily driver.

60mpg and I'll still blow your muscle car off the line. Hit the twisties and you'll lose sight of me.


I just don't like roadbikes, I raced dirtbikes as a kid, and I was too friggin crazy. I would die with a roadbike. Yes they are faster. Your point? I cannot go anywhere, anywhere, without people of all ages and appearances commented on the looks, and the sound of my car. That is nice I must admit. You like rice rockets, good for you. I like V-8 muscle cars. By the way, cold air intake, supercharger pulley change (I think I need to upgrade fuel injectors again too), I am looking into it, should get me up around 550 hp. Woot. Might void the warranty though.

But I know, using gasoline for anything but putting to work is evil.
 
2008-05-18 08:29:44 PM
Am I the only person on this whole board who has the Tim the Toolman Taylor attitude about horsepower and cars? I have never personally met many males that shun a powerful car.
 
2008-05-18 08:39:16 PM
Thunderpipes: Oil companies profit margins don't change much.

www.americanprogress.org
 
2008-05-18 08:45:34 PM
mccallcl: Thunderpipes: Oil companies profit margins don't change much.

Profit margins, you meathead.
 
2008-05-18 08:48:53 PM
I just think it's great that all these fun young Republicans have internet access in Iraq. You guys are posting from Iraq, right? I mean how could any strapping young Republican not have enlisted already.
 
2008-05-18 08:55:49 PM
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Approve of this thread.

/gets 70 mpg on that hog
 
2008-05-18 08:56:41 PM
physt: I just think it's great that all these fun young Republicans have internet access in Iraq. You guys are posting from Iraq, right? I mean how could any strapping young Republican not have enlisted already.

Ahh, the other lib argument. I tried to enlist. I was all set, took the asvab, or whatever the hell it is (Got two questions wrong on the whole thing) and then my senior year I destroyed my knee in a basketball injury. Needless to say, boot camp, nope. However, I can support my country by actually caring about it, about our soldiers, about our economy and people. Liberals do not. They care about themselves, and how much attention they can get.
 
2008-05-18 08:59:23 PM
Thunderpipes: Profit margins, you meathead.

No need to call names, you're the one that thinks there's a free-market explanation for a 400% increase in profit that has nothing to do with the current administration.

BTW, you're a dinosaur. 4-banger rice burners can be had for $30,000 brand-new that likely slaughter your antique slab. Anyone who drives a car for attention needs to fix their relationship with their parents.
 
2008-05-18 09:07:44 PM
Heh, Bush goes to the Saudis with his tail between his legs and his hands out ~ 'Please sir, can I have some more?' and they reply 'We already upped production by 300k barrels, now fark off and stop invading our neighbours you idiot. Bush hides.
 
2008-05-18 09:10:25 PM
mccallcl: Thunderpipes: Profit margins, you meathead.

No need to call names, you're the one that thinks there's a free-market explanation for a 400% increase in profit that has nothing to do with the current administration.

BTW, you're a dinosaur. 4-banger rice burners can be had for $30,000 brand-new that likely slaughter your antique slab. Anyone who drives a car for attention needs to fix their relationship with their parents.


Hehe, umm, no. I don't drive the car for attention, it is a benifit. By the way, most Prius drivers actually do buy them for the attention. Yes, survey's show it.

And yes, the increase in oil profits has nothing to do with the administration. Oil companies get paid by the gallon, they do not control the price of crude. They do not inflate their margins.

You are a silly liberal idiot. Try some reading, math, anything.

And links to the $30,000 rice burner that can do 0-60 in 4.5? Top speed of like 170? Oh, and seat 4, have a good sized trunk, be a convertible, and actually make people ooo and ahh? Oh ya, there isn't any. But heh, put a fart can muffler on and go to it Icy Hot Stuntaz boy!
 
2008-05-18 09:11:58 PM
Gobobo: Heh, Bush goes to the Saudis with his tail between his legs and his hands out ~ 'Please sir, can I have some more?' and they reply 'We already upped production by 300k barrels, now fark off and stop invading our neighbours you idiot. Bush hides.

If he used force you would cry just as loud.
 
2008-05-18 09:18:13 PM
I honestly think we should do this. Take over, by force, all the major oil deposits in the world. People don't like us anyway, why not at least live up to the hype? Libs say Iraq is for oil, why not actually take the oil?
 
2008-05-18 09:21:31 PM
Thunderpipes: Gobobo: Heh, Bush goes to the Saudis with his tail between his legs and his hands out ~ 'Please sir, can I have some more?' and they reply 'We already upped production by 300k barrels, now fark off and stop invading our neighbours you idiot. Bush hides.

If he used force you would cry just as loud.


I'm not crying. His actions brought this situation about. Yeah people have been protesting the actions in Iraq and Afghanistan but he was still voted in for a second term. Maybe next time the other guys will get a chance to play in World politics, they did a better job before.
 
2008-05-18 09:23:11 PM
Gas hits record high for 10th day straight because... *SHAKE SHAKE SHAKE* ...there ain't a damn thing you can do about it

Actually, I'd say that's accurate.
 
2008-05-18 09:23:49 PM
Gobobo: Thunderpipes: Gobobo: Heh, Bush goes to the Saudis with his tail between his legs and his hands out ~ 'Please sir, can I have some more?' and they reply 'We already upped production by 300k barrels, now fark off and stop invading our neighbours you idiot. Bush hides.

If he used force you would cry just as loud.

I'm not crying. His actions brought this situation about. Yeah people have been protesting the actions in Iraq and Afghanistan but he was still voted in for a second term. Maybe next time the other guys will get a chance to play in World politics, they did a better job before.


Who did? Who did better before? How was Mr. peace himself, Jimmy Carter? How was gasoline under him? Obama wants to increase taxes on oil companies by 50%. How do you think that will help the price of gas?
 
2008-05-18 09:25:13 PM
jshine:

Bush caused the most harm to the country not by outlandish schemes or overly-aggressive military invasions, but through simple inaction. Sure, Iraq is a SNAFU, but it's nothing compared to what may be around the corner.

By ignoring the issues that really matter -- or will matter in a few years -- he has exacerbated the problems that we're just now starting to be confronted with. ...and I don't hear anything from McCain that makes me thing he has a firm grasp on reality either.

For instance, a leader with wisdom and foresight would have done more to address the impending (present?) energy crisis. Simply allowing the market to act is irresponsible, given that the magnitude & long-term nature of the problem.


so...bush prevented drilling off the coast of california, off the coast of florida and in ANWAR!?!? its amazing what we learn on fark!

i thought jimmy carter had the answer to the energy needs of the united states. are you telling me that since 1976 congress hasn't been able to pass a comprehensive energy bill?

..oh, i'm sorry, the energy crisis in the united states didn't start to manifest itself until GWB was sworn in.

/stupid farkers. the nation's energy problems have been building for 40 years. bush didn't start them and obama sure as hell isn't the one to solve them.

//allowing the market to address the problem is pretty much the only answer. it is silly to expect that government is going to solve the problem. here is a hint - life is not a series of problems to be solved by government. we as a nation have to change the way we live. our federal government isn't going to come up with a magic answer. just look at how bad they screwed up ethanol.
 
2008-05-18 09:26:09 PM
Live close enough to work/friends/fun/food that you don't have to drive for two hours every day?

Oh right, that's "impossible".

/except for all the other people that are smart enough to figure it out.
 
2008-05-18 09:37:54 PM
Thunderpipes: Who did? Who did better before? How was Mr. peace himself, Jimmy Carter? How was gasoline under him? Obama wants to increase taxes on oil companies by 50%. How do you think that will help the price of gas?

It was Clinton and Blair who went into Northern Ireland and stopped a war. That was some nasty, religious hate going on there for decades. It's been over (thankfully) for quite a while. I'm sure they could, if given the chance, find a workable solution for the Middle East that wouldn't involve the bombing of thousands of innocents.
 
2008-05-18 09:46:24 PM
Gobobo:

It was Clinton and Blair who went into Northern Ireland and stopped a war. That was some nasty, religious hate going on there for decades. It's been over (thankfully) for quite a while. I'm sure they could, if given the chance, find a workable solution for the Middle East that wouldn't involve the bombing of thousands of innocents.

What is stopping them? Blair is already in the Middle East at the behest of the EU and if Carter can gain access to appease HAMAS, I'm sure they would allow Clinton access. Why haven't these two magicians already started solving the problems of the Middle East?
 
2008-05-18 09:51:21 PM
nerfball: What is stopping them? Blair is already in the Middle East at the behest of the EU and if Carter can gain access to appease HAMAS, I'm sure they would allow Clinton access. Why haven't these two magicians already started solving the problems of the Middle East?

What makes you think they're not? NI took more than 6 months to fix.
 
2008-05-18 09:52:00 PM
Gobobo: Thunderpipes: Who did? Who did better before? How was Mr. peace himself, Jimmy Carter? How was gasoline under him? Obama wants to increase taxes on oil companies by 50%. How do you think that will help the price of gas?

It was Clinton and Blair who went into Northern Ireland and stopped a war. That was some nasty, religious hate going on there for decades. It's been over (thankfully) for quite a while. I'm sure they could, if given the chance, find a workable solution for the Middle East that wouldn't involve the bombing of thousands of innocents.


War huh. Ya, that war in Ireland was awful. Hundreds and thousands of people killed, including 3,000 Americans, ya. nasty compared to muslim hate.
 
2008-05-18 09:54:16 PM
Various Thunderpipes quotes

Hehe, wow only a few posts and the penis lovers chime in!! Was expecting at least 5 or 6. libetards and their penis obsession, so reliable.

Do liberals even think? Or just go totally on emo?

Why must liberals fail so?

My arguments are strictly for the liberals who blame Bush and oil companies when they are not at fault, and when liberals show absoutely no understanding of economics in general.

Try thinking instead of being emo liberal.

hehe, yet more libtard envy

The person looking like an ass here is you and your emo.

Once again emo child, how did Bush screw up the economy?

Liberals are simply weak minded people raised being spoon fed, of course you hate anything that doesn't appease you!

I can easily refute anything the libtrolls say


It seems that anyone who breaks through your arguments is automatically branded an idiot. Why don't you learn some new insults, those are are starting to get old.
 
2008-05-18 10:00:30 PM
Gobobo:

What makes you think they're not? NI took more than 6 months to fix.

My apologies. I didn't know they had only been in a position to help for the past 6 months.

Somehow, I got the erroneous message that Clinton was in charge of U.S. policy in the Middle East as far back as early 1993 and someone told me Tony Blair was Prime Minister of the UK as far back as 1997.

15 years for Clinton and 11 years for Blair. Where do you get 6 months?
 
2008-05-18 10:01:21 PM
thunderpipes

how does emo enter into it?
 
2008-05-18 10:06:15 PM
Snatcher: Various Thunderpipes quotes

Hehe, wow only a few posts and the penis lovers chime in!! Was expecting at least 5 or 6. libetards and their penis obsession, so reliable.

Do liberals even think? Or just go totally on emo?

Why must liberals fail so?

My arguments are strictly for the liberals who blame Bush and oil companies when they are not at fault, and when liberals show absoutely no understanding of economics in general.

Try thinking instead of being emo liberal.

hehe, yet more libtard envy

The person looking like an ass here is you and your emo.

Once again emo child, how did Bush screw up the economy?

Liberals are simply weak minded people raised being spoon fed, of course you hate anything that doesn't appease you!

I can easily refute anything the libtrolls say

It seems that anyone who breaks through your arguments is automatically branded an idiot. Why don't you learn some new insults, those are are starting to get old.


As opposed to liberal dumbasses claiming anyone with a car that has more than 150 hp has a small penis? Kettle much?
 
2008-05-18 10:08:04 PM
Thunderpipes: War huh. Ya, that war in Ireland was awful. Hundreds and thousands of people killed, including 3,000 Americans, ya. nasty compared to muslim hate.

It was guerrilla warfare, mainly. They bombed mainly civilians but the Brightom bombing (new window), killing 5 members of parliament, was indelibly etched on many peoples' brains. Then there was the Manchester bombing (new window) with a 3000lb bomb that tore the heart out of the city. After several trash bin bombs ALL trash bins were removed from every train station, airport and city in the UK. Rather inconvenient. Then there were London bombings - one in the city, one in Harrods, one outside number 10 Downing Street. Their campaign lasted decades.
 
2008-05-18 10:10:22 PM
undernova: thunderpipes

how does emo enter into it?


Because liberals are so emotional, they rarely use reason or logic. Easier to blame Bush than look at the market history of oil companies. Crap like that.
 
2008-05-18 10:12:18 PM
www.americanrhetoric.com



The things you own end up owning you.
 
2008-05-18 10:12:37 PM
nerfball: My apologies. I didn't know they had only been in a position to help for the past 6 months.

Somehow, I got the erroneous message that Clinton was in charge of U.S. policy in the Middle East as far back as early 1993 and someone told me Tony Blair was Prime Minister of the UK as far back as 1997.

15 years for Clinton and 11 years for Blair. Where do you get 6 months?


Funny, I hadn't heard of Bill Clinton or Tony Blair invading other countries. Oh, wait a minute, Tony Blair supported a despot while Clinton wasn't even in power when the war started. I see where you're coming from now. Yeah, it's all their fault. Bush is blame free!
 
2008-05-18 10:13:01 PM
Gobobo: Thunderpipes: War huh. Ya, that war in Ireland was awful. Hundreds and thousands of people killed, including 3,000 Americans, ya. nasty compared to muslim hate.

It was guerrilla warfare, mainly. They bombed mainly civilians but the Brightom bombing (new window), killing 5 members of parliament, was indelibly etched on many peoples' brains. Then there was the Manchester bombing (new window) with a 3000lb bomb that tore the heart out of the city. After several trash bin bombs ALL trash bins were removed from every train station, airport and city in the UK. Rather inconvenient. Then there were London bombings - one in the city, one in Harrods, one outside number 10 Downing Street. Their campaign lasted decades.


Saddam alone had 600,000 people executed. The other terrorist groups like Palestine, Taliban, etc killed hundreds and thousands more. Almost 3,000 American were killed in one attack recently. This is far, far worse than some pissed off whitey killin whitey.

The Ireland thing sucked, no doubt, but it is like comparing the murder rate in DC to the world.
 
2008-05-18 10:14:11 PM
mccallcl:
It's not, but that's not what you're doing when you buy an SUV. You're putting other drivers at risk of injury and death in order to drive a car that makes you feel safer when you actually aren't.



Well as I said above I am a sports car guy. Always have been. Yet you can't tow this with a 3.0 liter V6 wimpy FWD Mercury Villager can you?

fototime.com

/She's a big girl
//She likes to eat
///Sing it Stewie!
 
2008-05-18 10:14:48 PM
Gobobo: nerfball: My apologies. I didn't know they had only been in a position to help for the past 6 months.

Somehow, I got the erroneous message that Clinton was in charge of U.S. policy in the Middle East as far back as early 1993 and someone told me Tony Blair was Prime Minister of the UK as far back as 1997.

15 years for Clinton and 11 years for Blair. Where do you get 6 months?

Funny, I hadn't heard of Bill Clinton or Tony Blair invading other countries. Oh, wait a minute, Tony Blair supported a despot while Clinton wasn't even in power when the war started. I see where you're coming from now. Yeah, it's all their fault. Bush is blame free!


Thankl god, Clinton could not even handle Somalia.
 
2008-05-18 10:17:14 PM
Smooth transition there
You managed to use liberal dumbass instead of liberal idiot. Congrats.

Am I the only person on this whole board who has the Tim the Toolman Taylor attitude about horsepower and cars? I have never personally met many males that shun a powerful car.

I don't measure my worth as a human based upon my vehicles horsepower.
 
2008-05-18 10:17:30 PM
nerfball:..oh, i'm sorry, the energy crisis in the united states didn't start to manifest itself until GWB was sworn in.

There's plenty of blame to go around. Bush didn't cause the problem, but for 8 years he sat on his hands and did nothing to help, either. That's not leadership -- that's negligence.

The depletion of oil reserves has been predicted since at least Carter's time, and the fact that the reserves are finite has *always* been understood by scientists & engineers -- right back to the first decades of the 20th century.
 
2008-05-18 10:18:23 PM
Snatcher: Smooth transition there
You managed to use liberal dumbass instead of liberal idiot. Congrats.

Am I the only person on this whole board who has the Tim the Toolman Taylor attitude about horsepower and cars? I have never personally met many males that shun a powerful car.

I don't measure my worth as a human based upon my vehicles horsepower.


And I do? I enjoy them. Why does liking a badass car somehow be a measure of my self worth? Do you realize how stupid and petty you sound?
 
2008-05-18 10:20:32 PM
nerfball://allowing the market to address the problem is pretty much the only answer. it is silly to expect that government is going to solve the problem.

Yes, because government agencies are totally inept when it comes to massive R&D programs whose payoff lies too far in the future to be easily foreseen by corporations:

upload.wikimedia.org

/that's Apollo 4
 
2008-05-18 10:23:34 PM
jshine: nerfball://allowing the market to address the problem is pretty much the only answer. it is silly to expect that government is going to solve the problem.

Yes, because government agencies are totally inept when it comes to massive R&D programs whose payoff lies too far in the future to be easily foreseen by corporations:



/that's Apollo 4


The same R&D programs we can no longer fund, because people do not believe in it?
 
2008-05-18 10:25:34 PM
And remember, that was a different generation, those Americans loved their country and were proud, today's generation is the oppostie.
 
2008-05-18 10:32:14 PM
Thunderpipes: Saddam alone had 600,000 people executed. The other terrorist groups like Palestine, Taliban, etc killed hundreds and thousands more. Almost 3,000 American were killed in one attack recently. This is far, far worse than some pissed off whitey killin whitey.

The Ireland thing sucked, no doubt, but it is like comparing the murder rate in DC to the world.


No the IRA is not like comparing the murder rate in DC. The IRA would routinely kneecap anyone they thought might be against them. The Irish mostly hated the IRA but were fearful of them. The Irish were living amongst terrorists who could kill members of Parliament or their neighbours because of their politics and religion. And it went on and on for decades.

And it wasn't 3000 Americans, a lot of the victims were from other countries. I'm not sure how many of the attackers were from Afghanistan or Iraq but it turned out to be a very bad war. A regime change may be a good idea right now.
 
2008-05-18 10:34:27 PM
Gobobo: Thunderpipes: Saddam alone had 600,000 people executed. The other terrorist groups like Palestine, Taliban, etc killed hundreds and thousands more. Almost 3,000 American were killed in one attack recently. This is far, far worse than some pissed off whitey killin whitey.

The Ireland thing sucked, no doubt, but it is like comparing the murder rate in DC to the world.

No the IRA is not like comparing the murder rate in DC. The IRA would routinely kneecap anyone they thought might be against them. The Irish mostly hated the IRA but were fearful of them. The Irish were living amongst terrorists who could kill members of Parliament or their neighbours because of their politics and religion. And it went on and on for decades.

And it wasn't 3000 Americans, a lot of the victims were from other countries. I'm not sure how many of the attackers were from Afghanistan or Iraq but it turned out to be a very bad war. A regime change may be a good idea right now.


So then, death toll from the Ireland thing?
 
2008-05-18 10:41:49 PM
Gobobo: I'm not sure how many of the attackers were from Afghanistan or Iraq but it turned out to be a very bad war. A regime change may be a good idea right now.

Do not lump Afghanistan and Iraq together. One was/is an internationally recognized 'just' war legitimately undertaken in response to a direct attack while the other is a delusional Republican crusade. You look like an ignorant hippy when you even imply they are similar in any way.
 
2008-05-18 10:45:54 PM
Thunderpipes: So then, death toll from the Ireland thing?

Look it up you prick. This isn't a lolcat thread Sinn Féin had a manifesto in 1918. You farking yanks think you know something about history because you celebrate St Patrick's.
 
2008-05-18 10:50:43 PM
Surpheon: Do not lump Afghanistan and Iraq together. One was/is an internationally recognized 'just' war legitimately undertaken in response to a direct attack while the other is a delusional Republican crusade. You look like an ignorant hippy when you even imply they are similar in any way.

How are they not similar? No snark I'd like to know.
 
2008-05-18 10:56:43 PM
Forget it, the ignorant hippy part made me eternally bored of you.
 
2008-05-18 11:20:01 PM
thunderpipes, don't get me wrong. I like muscle cars and I burn a shiatload of gas as I'll easy do 300km in a day just screwing around. I just don't want you to forget you're not the fastest thing on the road. ;)

I also want to remind everyone that you can have fun and be fuel efficient at the same time, if you don't need cargo space.

 
2008-05-18 11:23:58 PM
Thunderpipes: Am I the only person on this whole board who has the Tim the Toolman Taylor attitude about horsepower and cars? I have never personally met many males that shun a powerful car.

Missed this one. No, you're not. That show was garbage, but all guys love horsepower. I've got 110 horsepower pushing 374lbs. Sick. 0-60 in 2.9.

 
2008-05-18 11:29:24 PM
For those screaming about mandatory fuel efficiency laws, we don't need them - we only need have the idiots on Capitol Hill let the Germans send over their 50+ MPG Volkswagons and Audis. The rest of the auto companies would follow shortly. The answer is Liberty, not yet more bureaucracy.

Also, we could ask why it is that none of the hybrids ship with a basic plug in the wall charging system(you can have them retrofitted), which would not exactly be difficult to do cheaply in a mass production environment. Of course then we could also ask why their aren't more hydro(lots of wave energy to harness) and solar power plants(lots of empty nothing in Arizona and the Mojave). We could also ask why the new homes being built don't have the solar systems that are on display at any Home Depot which work off of even the invisible light spectrum.

The answer is that those technologies empower people, and more than making money the corporate world seeks to grind you into a bloody stub, a shadow of who you could have been.
 
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