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(Tacoma News Tribune)   Smart Car fares well in crash tests relative to its size. Deemed as safe as a shopping cart   (thenewstribune.com) divider line 51
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2008-05-18 12:06:22 AM
So, drive safer?

/pretty sure a motorcycle isn't any safer anyhow
 
2008-05-18 12:11:21 AM
I only drive 18-wheelers. The environment and my wallet be damned.
 
2008-05-18 12:40:59 AM
Wasn't this news back when the new Volkswagen Beetle was reintroduced and it came out so well in the tests?
 
2008-05-18 01:31:50 AM
www.bridger.us
 
2008-05-18 10:08:23 AM
Sinister Steve-

Holy f*ck, I'll never drive a GM truck. I'm about to hurl over here.

/I did identify it correctly, I hope...
 
2008-05-18 11:17:27 AM
My brother has one of those Toasters that has the 1.5L engine and a 5 speed Manual. (Not a Honda Element, don't remember the make.) It gets 30/38 for mileage and comfortably seats 4. Sweet little ride.
 
2008-05-18 11:26:33 AM
While smart car fares well with other smart cars... I'd be more interested in seeing the results of smart car vs. every other car actually on the road. You in your tiny ass shopping cart (per the headline) will probably die in a crash with your typical SUV driving soccer mom.
 
2008-05-18 11:27:01 AM
hillbillypharmacist: Sinister Steve-

Holy f*ck, I'll never drive a GM truck. I'm about to hurl over here.

/I did identify it correctly, I hope...


Nope.....pre-2004 F-150
 
2008-05-18 11:35:36 AM
It actually explodes when you start to think about it too hard. And 'too hard' generally translates to 'at all'
 
2008-05-18 12:00:14 PM
Talon: While smart car fares well with other smart cars... I'd be more interested in seeing the results of smart car vs. every other car actually on the road. You in your tiny ass shopping cart (per the headline) will probably die in a crash with your typical SUV driving soccer mom.

Side impact testing is versus an object the weight and height of a typical SUV, hitting at 31 MPH.

I'm sure these cars are great for city commuting, but I have witnessed the drivers trying to keep up with Dallas freeway traffic - it doesn't work well. The engines just don't have enough horsepower to keep up with the average 70 MPH drivers do on the highway - and most of the jacked-up pickups on the road will run one of these over.
 
2008-05-18 12:16:59 PM
Talon: While smart car fares well with other smart cars... I'd be more interested in seeing the results of smart car vs. every other car actually on the road. You in your tiny ass shopping cart (per the headline) will probably die in a crash with your typical SUV driving soccer mom.

You're less likely to tip a smart car over though. The illusion of safety in a large vehicle is just that - an illusion. You have to see how they test to be accurate. Smart cars get 3 stars in Euro NCAP tests, which isn't good but a Chrysler Voyager gets less (new window).
 
2008-05-18 12:20:18 PM
Gobobo


You're less likely to tip a smart car over though. The illusion of safety in a large vehicle is just that - an illusion.


You're less likely to eat the fender of a SUV or Pickup truck if you drive a larger car. These things are so small and low the point of impact is less than optimal.
 
2008-05-18 12:30:30 PM
hillbillypharmacist: Sinister Steve-

Holy f*ck, I'll never drive a GM truck. I'm about to hurl over here.

/I did identify it correctly, I hope...


Actually, I think it was a Ford F-150. The most popular personal vehicle mind you.
 
2008-05-18 12:33:41 PM
Devin172: Gobobo


You're less likely to tip a smart car over though. The illusion of safety in a large vehicle is just that - an illusion.


You're less likely to eat the fender of a SUV or Pickup truck if you drive a larger car. These things are so small and low the point of impact is less than optimal.


WRONG. Here's why you're wrong so at least you'll be able to get it through your skull. You aren't any less likely to eat the fender of a SUV or pickup because it's not the vehicle that's unsafe, it's the jackass behind the wheel sipping her latte and chatting/ and or texting in her cellphone. I won't apologize for singling women out, because men do it too, but women do it more. STOP IT. There's a road in front of you, pay attention to it.
 
2008-05-18 12:36:06 PM
They would never be able to sell the Smart Fortwo here if it wasn't safe. The sale of unsafe cars in America was killed off with the Pinto. Ford really pissed on the American car companies respective parades with that one. Mercedes is the maker of the Smart and they are a highly respected brand. They would jeopardize their reputation by selling a product that wasn't up to par with others like itself.
 
2008-05-18 12:37:18 PM
TeddyRooseveltsMustache: They would never be able to sell the Smart Fortwo here if it wasn't safe. The sale of unsafe cars in America was killed off with the Pinto. Ford really pissed on the American car companies respective parades with that one. Mercedes is the maker of the Smart and they are a highly respected brand. They wouldn't jeopardize their reputation by selling a product that wasn't up to par with others like itself.

Sorry about that.
 
2008-05-18 12:39:19 PM
Subby's title bought to us by ExxonMobil?
 
2008-05-18 12:46:20 PM
Devin172: You're less likely to eat the fender of a SUV or Pickup truck if you drive a larger car. These things are so small and low the point of impact is less than optimal.

Granted if you're in a Ford Galaxy (5 stars which is the highest score) you'll be better off than in most cars in a crash, but if you have a head-on collision with any car in a one or two star SUV you'll end up with your engine block where your legs used to be. You're much more likely to take risks and have an accident with an invincible attitude.
 
2008-05-18 12:48:30 PM
Devin172 2008-05-18 12:20:18 PM
Gobobo


You're less likely to tip a smart car over though. The illusion of safety in a large vehicle is just that - an illusion.


You're less likely to eat the fender of a SUV or Pickup truck if you drive a larger car. These things are so small and low the point of impact is less than optimal.


iirc the floors of these cars are the same hight of a camery or acura so i dont understand why you people think it will get run over so easy.....the cars are not that short in height
 
2008-05-18 12:54:29 PM
These things are relatively tall, they're just really short back-to-front.

That said, you need to remember that ALL crash-test ratings by the DOT/NHTSA are relative to size. In other words, a high-rated skateboard like the Smart does really well for its size, and could get "4 stars." A luxury car will be much, much better in most crashes, but it might only be a "3.5 star" instead of a "4 star."
 
2008-05-18 01:01:10 PM
I saw some euro test results of a Smart vs an Sclass mercedes. Both were smashed but the Smart was not compermised while the mercedes was.
The S class is a pretty large/heavy car

Technology people not size!!
 
2008-05-18 01:28:04 PM
Predictable. Show an American a small car and they all scream like little girls: "we'll all be killed!"

Fact is, small cars are no less safe than SUVs. Look it up.
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Now add in the death rate: about 1.5 per hundred million miles travelled. You'd have to drive over 5,000 years to go that far. Why not worry about shark attacks? Oh wait, you do, because you are too stupid to understand the statistics on those either.

$10/gal gas in the US can't get here fast enough. Think of it as a tax on stupidity.
 
2008-05-18 02:01:15 PM
crappie: I saw some euro test results of a Smart vs an Sclass mercedes. Both were smashed but the Smart was not compermised while the mercedes was.
The S class is a pretty large/heavy car

Technology people not size!!


You mean this video?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=02eghIfyHP0

Neither car seems to have had the passenger compartment compromised.
 
2008-05-18 02:03:02 PM
cirby: That said, you need to remember that ALL crash-test ratings by the DOT/NHTSA are relative to size. In other words, a high-rated skateboard like the Smart does really well for its size, and could get "4 stars."

I don't know how NHTSA calculates star rating, so I won't comment on that. But:

- SUV or smart car vs 18-wheeler: not much difference;
- SUV or smart car vs tree: not much difference;
- SUV or smart car vs crash barrier: not much difference.

The only difference is SUV vs smart car. Which WON'T be the majority of crashes. And if the SUV is more likely than a smart car to injure people in the other vehicle in a crash, it's the insurance of the SUV owner that's going to get loaded.
 
2008-05-18 02:05:04 PM
SCUBA_Archer: hillbillypharmacist: Sinister Steve-

Holy f*ck, I'll never drive a GM truck. I'm about to hurl over here.

/I did identify it correctly, I hope...

Nope.....pre-2004 F-150


Those trucks are death traps. A perfect example that size does not equal safety.
 
2008-05-18 02:07:25 PM
cirby: These things are relatively tall, they're just really short back-to-front.

That said, you need to remember that ALL crash-test ratings by the DOT/NHTSA are relative to size. In other words, a high-rated skateboard like the Smart does really well for its size, and could get "4 stars." A luxury car will be much, much better in most crashes, but it might only be a "3.5 star" instead of a "4 star."


That's why I go with the IIHS ratings. The government tests are more of a show. The IIHS tests are are used by insurance companies to set rates. They have a financial interest in getting the most accurate results.
 
2008-05-18 02:33:58 PM
Over at Jalopnik, there's an account of a Smart ForTwo that was hit by a 20' International box truck (pops) and sent careening into a 14' GMC van. Amazingly, the passengers in the Smart survived despite the car being pummeled into a crumpled wad of steel and plastic and inflicting substantial damage to the front ends of both the International and the GMC.

Fairly impressive...
 
2008-05-18 02:44:35 PM
Gobobo: Devin172: You're less likely to eat the fender of a SUV or Pickup truck if you drive a larger car. These things are so small and low the point of impact is less than optimal.

Granted if you're in a Ford Galaxy (5 stars which is the highest score) you'll be better off than in most cars in a crash, but if you have a head-on collision with any car in a one or two star SUV you'll end up with your engine block where your legs used to be. You're much more likely to take risks and have an accident with an invincible attitude.


We don't have the Ford Galaxy in the United States. The closest thing we have is the Mazda 5.
 
2008-05-18 02:54:28 PM
I don't know how NHTSA calculates star rating, so I won't comment on that. But:

- SUV or smart car vs 18-wheeler: not much difference;
- SUV or smart car vs tree: not much difference;
- SUV or smart car vs crash barrier: not much difference.


Try "large car versus Smart car with the same crash rating versus stationary object or versus other car."

Dubai Vol:
Look at that chart more closely. It's more of a "which risky drivers are driving which kinds of cars" chart than a "which hardware is riskier" chart.

Rapmaster2000:
From the IIHS ratings site - "Test results can be compared only among vehicles of similar weight." In other words, they're relative, just like DOT tests. A well-designed larger car will be safer than a smaller car with the same rating. That's just physics (more car = more crumple zone or more mass to push the thing it hits out of the way). That said, most SUVs and pickups aren't that great in crash tests because they're trucks, not cars, and often have less protection for the passenger compartment for front and side impacts.

On the other hand, I ride a motorcycle, so my crumple zone is my nose...
 
2008-05-18 03:31:07 PM
pocketrubbish: crappie: I saw some euro test results of a Smart vs an Sclass mercedes. Both were smashed but the Smart was not compermised while the mercedes was.
The S class is a pretty large/heavy car

Technology people not size!!

You mean this video?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=02eghIfyHP0

Neither car seems to have had the passenger compartment compromised.


Not sure can't youtube it at the office, from what I remember there were quite a few where the smart car fared much better. I believe the one where the mercedes was compermised was a side impact. I could be wrong.

on another note I don't think the smart is really much of a benfit unless you live in a large city like tokyo or ny.
 
2008-05-18 03:41:41 PM
That's true, I personally love them but really wouldn't bother with one unless I lived in a city. Of course, I would just get a late 60's mini cooper for that.

Come on people, it's built by Mercedes, who along with Volvo pretty much invented every safety feature in modern cars. They aren't going to release something that will kill the occupants on any impact.
 
2008-05-18 03:57:34 PM
The Smart's safety rating is easily negated by its dorkiness rating, and both are annihilated by its "this car ensures you will never get laid" rating.
 
2008-05-18 04:23:45 PM
Malbar: The Smart's safety rating is easily negated by its dorkiness rating, and both are annihilated by its "this car ensures you will never get laid" rating.

If you need a car to get laid then your penis must be the size of a tylenol capsule.
 
2008-05-18 04:28:50 PM
Malbar: The Smart's safety rating is easily negated by its dorkiness rating, and both are annihilated by its "this car ensures you will never get laid" rating.

You're doing it wrong. Just don't get a pink one, otherwise you'll be attracting the guys.

If you're picking up the sort of women that are won over by your having a large pick-up, I think you might be going for the wrong sort of women. But hey, it's a free country.
 
2008-05-18 04:48:39 PM
Why are you people who know something about cars trying to argue with stupid Americans? All they know is "small ain't safe." The facts of the matter are irrelevant.

See, they don't mind dying in a wreck if the vehicle will still run. Me, I prefer to live and the car collapse into a tin can. But you know, that's just me.
 
2008-05-18 04:55:49 PM
TeddyRooseveltsMustache: If you need a car to get laid then your penis must be the size of a tylenol capsule.

It's called social capital and if you don't think it exists, you can join the creationists and the flat-earthers over in the corner.
 
2008-05-18 04:57:20 PM
I don't live in an urban enough area to drive a smart. Awesome little car, but the gas mileage isn't that spectacular relative to its size since about half of my massive 6 mile commute is on the interstate. You'd probably be better off with a Carolla, Sentra, Jetta, or what I drive, a Mini.

/chicks dig the small car, Malbar
//at least here in liberal New England
 
2008-05-18 05:18:12 PM
Malbar: The Smart's safety rating is easily negated by its dorkiness rating, and both are annihilated by its "this car ensures you will never get laid" rating.

Pfft. I've gotten laid in about 10 POS cars that I've owned. Hell, I've hit it in minivan. You're doing something wrong if you need help from a car to get laid.
 
2008-05-18 05:24:37 PM
Hiymenator: Awesome little car, but the gas mileage isn't that spectacular relative to its size since about half of my massive 6 mile commute is on the interstate.

Yeah, my Corolla is doing really well for me. My commute's a similar distance (5.5 mi), but it's 90% interstate, so it isn't "massive" by any stretch- my trips between home and office are 10 minutes (thank you, strange working hours!).
 
2008-05-18 05:27:31 PM
TeddyRooseveltsMustache: We don't have the Ford Galaxy in the United States. The closest thing we have is the Mazda 5.

Yeah I meant to add 'or equivalent'. As far as I know there's only about 3 different cars now, most brands are the same with a different badge. Not that I give a shiat as long as they're built as well as possible. Economies of scale suits me when the price of a great car goes down every year. A standard hatchback today is faster than a 20 year old supercar and 100 times more reliable and safe.
 
2008-05-18 07:34:10 PM
People seem to have a hard time understanding that if a car looks the same after a crash as it did afterward, then all that energy goes into the driver. By making a car that tears itself apart in a wreck, you increase the time of collision. Since the impulse is the same regardless, the increased time means less force.

/First year physics FTW
 
2008-05-18 07:47:31 PM
TMBGfreak: People seem to have a hard time understanding that if a car looks the same after a crash as it did afterward, then all that energy goes into the driver. By making a car that tears itself apart in a wreck, you increase the time of collision. Since the impulse is the same regardless, the increased time means less force.

/First year physics FTW


Yeah, it doesn't help to have the unbreakable passenger compartment if you don't have room for crumple zones to give you more time to get from 60mph to 0.
 
2008-05-18 08:30:35 PM
Deceleration can be a killer, but I'm not sure what speeds are thought to be life-threatening. Now stuff entering your chest cavity that shouldn't, that shiat's serious at any speed.
 
2008-05-18 08:34:55 PM
Malbar: TeddyRooseveltsMustache: If you need a car to get laid then your penis must be the size of a tylenol capsule.

It's called social capital and if you don't think it exists, you can join the creationists and the flat-earthers over in the corner.


Yeah right, go back to high school where your mentality and opinion would be worth something.
 
2008-05-18 09:54:33 PM
"there's an account of a Smart ForTwo that was hit by a 20' International box truck (pops) and sent careening into a 14' GMC van."

You bring up a point that I noticed when seeing the Smart in the crash test. It bounces and goes flying. How many secondary crashes can the human body take, despite how well the package they're in holds up?
Not sure I want to drive a 4 wheeled ping ping ball.
 
2008-05-18 10:12:49 PM
Electriclectic: Yeah, my Corolla is doing really well for me. My commute's a similar distance (5.5 mi), but it's 90% interstate, so it isn't "massive" by any stretch- my trips between home and office are 10 minutes (thank you, strange working hours!).

Heh. My odd hours are a life saver too. Cuts my commute time in half. I'd consider the smart if the mileage were higher. Why buy a tiny two seater when a Corolla has similar mileage, fits 3 more (tiny) people and I'd imagine is a whole lot more comfortable for 2k more?
 
2008-05-18 10:20:55 PM
TeddyRooseveltsMustache: Malbar: TeddyRooseveltsMustache: If you need a car to get laid then your penis must be the size of a tylenol capsule.

It's called social capital and if you don't think it exists, you can join the creationists and the flat-earthers over in the corner.

Yeah right, go back to high school where your mentality and opinion would be worth something.


I'm not saying that girls are shallow or anything, but I've noticed a distinct improvement in the ending of dates once I ditched the Explorer for the XJR. Ok, maybe I am saying they're shallow.
 
2008-05-18 11:18:42 PM
Talon: While smart car fares well with other smart cars... I'd be more interested in seeing the results of smart car vs. every other car actually on the road. You in your tiny ass shopping cart (per the headline) will probably die in a crash with your typical SUV driving soccer mom.

Sounds like a good reason to ban/tax/charge heavy insurance rates for SUVs rather than to avoid small cars. SUVs are dangerous to other drivers on the road.
 
2008-05-19 01:39:03 AM
i thought smart cars were suppose to be cheap and uber good on gas mileage. a 4 door yaris costs the same and gets about the same gas mileage.
 
2008-05-19 02:43:49 AM
soj4life: i thought smart cars were suppose to be cheap and uber good on gas mileage. a 4 door yaris costs the same and gets about the same gas mileage.

They are good on mileage, just in europe though. It happens when they replace a diesel engine with a gas engine.
 
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