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(Fox News)   An insightful and polite article discussing the relationship between science and God. Bonus: "Scientists hate God" is the first sentence   (foxnews.com ) divider line
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2008-05-16 05:47:16 PM  
The Stealth Hippopotamus: Of course they do, He will not let them in on the secret.

Yet they seem to be discovering His secrets for themselves fairly well.
 
2008-05-16 05:47:21 PM  
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2008-05-16 05:47:21 PM  
a particular scientistic worldview...

I like creationating words too!
 
2008-05-16 05:47:35 PM  
How does one hate what one does not believe in?

I think indifference is more appropriate...
 
2008-05-16 05:47:47 PM  
bruce4bruce
The ladies I hook up with believe in god. Some examples of what they say:
"Please God no!"
"NO! god help me please!"
"Oh God why?"
"Oh my God! NO?"

/window seat please!


Sounds like normal adult fun to me.
/Aisle's fine.
 
2008-05-16 05:48:58 PM  
Sounds like the article was written by an angry college freshman.

All I have to say.
 
2008-05-16 05:49:22 PM  
My buddy is very religious. And a scientist.

He foolishly believes God could create things in any manner He chooses such as starting out nearly 5 billion years ago. Of course real men know that the mortals who wrote the bible know better.
 
2008-05-16 05:49:35 PM  
Leave it to Fox Snews to write an article that immediately undermines science in light of religious beliefs.

As a scientist, I'm baffled by this article. I know plenty of scientists that have strong religious beliefs, completely believe in the existence of God, and many of them are very successful scientists. The article should, instead, be about this: as a community, we have a vast array of data showing a strong inverse relationship between government policy making and its ties to religious foundations and scientific proliferation. When our officials believe in God, there is suddenly no room for scientific advancement, because God will do it for us. Take stem cells and missions to Mars, for example.

It is true that many scientists don't believe in God due to a lack of evidence as to its existence, but broad sweeping fundamentalist generalizations lead to things like Al Qaida and the Iraq war. But, I have no real opinion on the matter.

/Now get off my lawn!
 
2008-05-16 05:49:51 PM  
I just don't6 know what to think without quotes from unrelated famous people. If only someone could post some.
 
2008-05-16 05:50:16 PM  
My brother likes to trot out this joke in discussions of this nature:
A scientist gets an audience with God. "Lord," he says, "we no longer need you. We have progressed so far in our understanding of life, the universe, well everything, that you are obsolete." "Oh?" replies God. "I can prove it. We can create humans just from dust. Why don't we both make a human being?" "Okay." Then as they prepare the scientist bends down to pick up a pinch of dirt, God stops him. "Hey, no, no. Get your own dirt."

/doesn't add to discussion
//I am no good at telling jokes
 
2008-05-16 05:50:57 PM  
Sum Dum Gai: a particular scientistic worldview...

I like creationating words too!



That's a real word from philosophy.

From the Skeptic's Dictionary:

Scientism, in the strong sense, is the self-annihilating view that only scientific claims are meaningful, which is not a scientific claim and hence, if true, not meaningful. Thus, scientism is either false or meaningless.
 
2008-05-16 05:51:04 PM  
etoof: I just don't6 know what to think without quotes from unrelated famous people. If only someone could post some

Happy to oblidge.

"You want an explanation? God! Is! Pissed!"

/You never said they had to be real people.
 
2008-05-16 05:51:07 PM  
I've got an idea. Let's pretend that Fark doesn't greenlight a minimum of 23 anti-Christian threads per week. That way, we can all sit around and act outraged over Fox's "obvious bias" without feeling like gigantic hypocritical douchebags.
 
2008-05-16 05:51:22 PM  
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2008-05-16 05:51:50 PM  
It puzzles me how any logical person could believe such fiction as the bible or any religious text as truth.

How does someone rationalize belief in magic sky deities and science?
 
2008-05-16 05:51:56 PM  
Wow... so many posts... and no Bevets. Has no one summoned the rat yet?

/summons Bevets
/ducks
 
2008-05-16 05:52:11 PM  
What I like best about Fox is the way it's fair and balanced.
 
2008-05-16 05:52:55 PM  
Jim_Callahan:Until we find some way to basically remove the bit of the mind that makes humans human, we're gonna keep doing it to some extent.

I'd agree that this is a most critical aspect of being human, while noting that it still isn't something that should interfere with the scientific pursuit of truth.

The Hogfather has a conversation whose viewpoint basically matches mine.


Death: Humans need fantasy to *be* human. To be the place where the falling angel meets the rising ape.

Susan: With tooth fairies? Hogfathers?

Death: Yes. As practice, you have to start out learning to believe the little lies.

Susan: So we can believe the big ones?

Death: Yes. Justice, mercy, duty. That sort of thing.

Susan: They're not the same at all.

Death: You think so? Then take the universe and grind it down to the finest powder, and sieve it through the finest sieve, and then show me one atom of justice, one molecule of mercy. And yet, you try to act as if there is some ideal order in the world. As if there is some, some rightness in the universe, by which it may be judged.

Susan: But people have got to believe that, or what's the point?

Death: You need to believe in things that aren't true. How else can they become?
 
2008-05-16 05:53:24 PM  
freelancer.42: Has no one summoned the rat yet?

Wow. Harsh.
 
2008-05-16 05:53:32 PM  
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I just felt this thread really needed this
 
2008-05-16 05:53:42 PM  
What gruffgoat said.
 
2008-05-16 05:53:54 PM  
Deorwine: My brother likes to trot out this joke in discussions of this nature:
A scientist gets an audience with God. "Lord," he says, "we no longer need you. We have progressed so far in our understanding of life, the universe, well everything, that you are obsolete." "Oh?" replies God. "I can prove it. We can create humans just from dust. Why don't we both make a human being?" "Okay." Then as they prepare the scientist bends down to pick up a pinch of dirt, God stops him. "Hey, no, no. Get your own dirt."

/doesn't add to discussion
//I am no good at telling jokes


I've never actually heard that one before. Good joke.
 
2008-05-16 05:53:57 PM  
Before this gets out of hand, I would like to remind everyone:

Science and Religion are not at odds because science is based on evidence to support a hypothesis and religion is based on faith to support an ideology. Science cannot be religious, and religion cannot be scientific. By the definition of each, according to those who defined both, it is impossible to intersect the two, or pit them against each other. One is based on experiments which yield evidence of fact. The other is based on faith which prove truth for the faithful. There is no logical argument between science and religion because science is based on evidence and religion is based on faith, and neither have any intention of proving or falsifying each other.
 
2008-05-16 05:54:10 PM  
How to reconcile God and Science:

1. Science solves this world's problems, Religion pertains to post death. Anything you feel the need to do in this life to prepare for the next is fine so long as it does not hurt anyone else. If your religion or it's leaders compels you to pester/force others into parroting your beliefs see number 2 below.

2. For religions who believe they are the one true religion and that all others need to be abolished there should be a big field set aside where the members of the opposing factions will battle to the death. Followers of the one true god will, of course, prevail. The winning faction will be given a grand parade followed by a one way ticket to paradise (they will have their choice of lethal procedures of course). After they have moved on their God will smite the rest of us heathens into the dirt... honest... I mean you must have faith, right?

There, easy enough.
 
2008-05-16 05:54:41 PM  
GhostFish: Religion has already proven that it can stifle and nearly destroy any scientific inquiry and development.

Where is your proof to back that statement up?
 
2008-05-16 05:54:59 PM  
GilRuiz1: The whole science-vs-religion "rivalry" is a false conflict that doesn't really have to even be there in the first place. Everybody should really just relax.

I agree with this post.

masterskip: Scientists don't hate god, they just think he is a fat ass.

I appreciate the thought, but I don't want the responsibility. :)
 
2008-05-16 05:55:06 PM  
Corpus Delecti: I've got an idea. Let's pretend that Fark doesn't greenlight a minimum of 23 anti-Christian threads per week. That way, we can all sit around and act outraged over Fox's "obvious bias" without feeling like gigantic hypocritical douchebags.

Fark isn't Fox, which is a gigantic media corporation, and has a little more clout than a website about penis-sawing and and would-you-hit-it arguments. Just a pinch more power.
 
2008-05-16 05:55:10 PM  
thamike

Please don't ruin this for me.
 
2008-05-16 05:55:18 PM  
mendel.imp.ac.at

/Not amused
 
2008-05-16 05:55:31 PM  
Can you hate something you don't believe in? What would be the point? I hate god as much as I hate true perpetual motion machines. Or a benevolent case of AIDS.
 
2008-05-16 05:55:52 PM  
Corpus Delecti: I've got an idea. Let's pretend that Fark doesn't greenlight a minimum of 23 anti-Christian threads per week. That way, we can all sit around and act outraged over Fox's "obvious bias" without feeling like gigantic hypocritical douchebags.BLAH BLAH BLAH! I'm Christian, and the whole world must be pro-christian or it is biased!
 
2008-05-16 05:55:53 PM  
Corpus Delecti: I've got an idea. Let's pretend that Fark doesn't greenlight a minimum of 23 anti-Christian threads per week. That way, we can all sit around and act outraged over Fox's "obvious bias" without feeling like gigantic hypocritical douchebags.

Hey, nothing personal, but are you a little bit retarded? Just curious.

If you weren't obviously a retard, I'd insult you. But since you are, and you can't see the obvious, I'll explain it to you with patience.

Fark doesn't claim to be "fair and balanced." So you see, it's not hypocritical for Fark to have a "bias." But for Fox to show the level of bias it does contradicts is "fair and balanced" branding.
 
2008-05-16 05:56:20 PM  
klous: It puzzles me how any logical person could believe such fiction as the bible or any religious text as truth.

How does someone rationalize belief in magic sky deities and science?


The same way you became such an annoying, self-satisfied asshole: A deep commitment of time, practice, and study.
 
2008-05-16 05:56:35 PM  
hitlersbrain: How to reconcile God and Science:

1. Science solves this world's problems, Religion pertains to post death. Anything you feel the need to do in this life to prepare for the next is fine so long as it does not hurt anyone else. If your religion or it's leaders compels you to pester/force others into parroting your beliefs see number 2 below.


Ok, everything seems to be normal from here.

2. For religions who believe they are the one true religion and that all others need to be abolished there should be a big field set aside where the members of the opposing factions will battle to the death. Followers of the one true god will, of course, prevail. The winning faction will be given a grand parade followed by a one way ticket to paradise (they will have their choice of lethal procedures of course). After they have moved on their God will smite the rest of us heathens into the dirt... honest... I mean you must have faith, right?

There, easy enough.


... Can we use flaming swedish katanas and funny paper hats?.
 
2008-05-16 05:57:46 PM  
libertylad: Can you hate something you don't believe in? What would be the point?

It's a religious thing. Many people who believe in deities literally cannot comprehend what it is like not to believe.

You either hate God or you love God. They do not understand that god does not exist.
 
2008-05-16 05:58:23 PM  
Farkonnen: GhostFish: Religion has already proven that it can stifle and nearly destroy any scientific inquiry and development.

Where is your proof to back that statement up?


The Dark Ages.
 
2008-05-16 05:58:37 PM  
Corpus Delecti: The same way you became such an annoying, self-satisfied asshole: A deep commitment of time, practice, and study.

Wrong again! It takes very little time or effort to be an annoying, self-satisfied asshole. :)
 
2008-05-16 05:58:56 PM  
Corpus Delecti: I've got an idea. Let's pretend that Fark doesn't greenlight a minimum of 23 anti-Christian threads per week. That way, we can all sit around and act outraged over Fox's "obvious bias" without feeling like gigantic hypocritical douchebags.

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/You gon' get FLAMED!
 
2008-05-16 06:00:05 PM  
CygnusDarius:... Can we use flaming swedish katanas and funny paper hats?.

Sorry, I thought that was a given.
 
2008-05-16 06:00:20 PM  
I came just to see how many people blamed Fox News instead of noticing: www.foxnews.com
 
2008-05-16 06:00:34 PM  
etoof: thamike

Please don't ruin this for me.


Sorry, man. Don't worry. It'll get chaotic enough with or without reason.
 
2008-05-16 06:00:36 PM  
thamike: There is no logical argument between science and religion because science is based on evidence and religion is based on faith, and neither have any intention of proving or falsifying each other.

I agree with you, but most people who argue about this stuff desire the argument itself way too much to ever really accept what you said.
 
2008-05-16 06:00:41 PM  
SharkUW:
The word you're looking for is faith or unsupported (or poorly supported) beliefs. Being religious very much means to believe in god(s) and I don't think that most serious scientists want you speaking for them in that department.


Pfft, Kayne West is allowed to make blanket statements on behalf of his percieved people, and I'm not?

So is shintoism not a religion now? Or confucianism? Technically speaking, spirits and dead ancestors aren't the same thing as what you appear to be restricting the word 'religion' to. If you talk to your equipment or personify natural law, then you're basically religious. Actually believing in everything you say literally is not necessary, even the most devout nutters don't do that; being completely literal is restricted to some stages of development in early childhood (if Vygotsky is to be believed, i guess. Not really my specialty).
 
2008-05-16 06:01:05 PM  
You gon' get FLAMED!

gotta love Ollie Williams!
 
2008-05-16 06:01:23 PM  
thamike

Sorry, man. Don't worry. It'll get chaotic enough with or without reason.

Deal
 
2008-05-16 06:01:36 PM  
UrinalPooper: zeph`: zeph`: phenomenon

PMhenomena. Must. Pluralize.doo doo doo doo doo

FTFY

/ways in which the Muppets affected my childhood #1438

You, Sir, win at life.
 
2008-05-16 06:01:43 PM  
hitlersbrain: CygnusDarius:... Can we use flaming swedish katanas and funny paper hats?.

Sorry, I thought that was a given.


Oh, I see. Well then my paper hat will look like a bishop's hat, so I'll have a random guy yelling "It's The Bishop!" when I walk into the arena.

/And then you eat the banana!
 
2008-05-16 06:03:18 PM  
Many scientists believe in religion and ghosts and fairies and invisible men.
 
2008-05-16 06:03:44 PM  
CygnusDarius: ... Can we use flaming swedish katanas and funny paper hats?.

Only if those are listed in your "Righteous Religious Regalia" and "Holy Weapons of the Lord" books of your given religion.
 
2008-05-16 06:03:57 PM  
Corpus Delecti: you became such an annoying, self-satisfied asshole

"Whoever says "You Fool!" Shall Be in Danger of Hell Fire."

A warning from your Lord and Savior - Jesus Christ

--Matthew 5:22
 
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