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(Fox News)   An insightful and polite article discussing the relationship between science and God. Bonus: "Scientists hate God" is the first sentence   (foxnews.com ) divider line 509
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2008-05-16 06:03:44 PM  
CygnusDarius: ... Can we use flaming swedish katanas and funny paper hats?.

Only if those are listed in your "Righteous Religious Regalia" and "Holy Weapons of the Lord" books of your given religion.
 
2008-05-16 06:03:57 PM  
Corpus Delecti: you became such an annoying, self-satisfied asshole

"Whoever says "You Fool!" Shall Be in Danger of Hell Fire."

A warning from your Lord and Savior - Jesus Christ

--Matthew 5:22
 
2008-05-16 06:04:07 PM  
Corpus Delecti: The same way you became such an annoying, self-satisfied asshole: A deep commitment of time, practice, and study.

Corpus, there is no need to personal insult.

I just wonder how a logical person segregates their belief such that they can belief something that defies logic.

Others might argue that the believer lacks all logic.
 
2008-05-16 06:04:32 PM  
GhostFish
Because really, who holds Fark to any standards at all?

Just look at those sharp knees.
 
2008-05-16 06:04:45 PM  
fatassbastard: I agree with you, but most people who argue about this stuff desire the argument itself way too much to ever really accept what you said.

That is a culture all unto its own, the culture that this is really all about, isn't it?
 
2008-05-16 06:04:52 PM  
Science can neither prove nor disprove the existence of God. All it can do is answer the question "How?" (as how did x happen?) without regard to the aforementioned existence. In view of this, why do we keep trying to use one view to prove the other wrong? For many people, science answers the "How?" question, while religion/faith/spirituality/philosophy/Discworld novels answers the "Why?"
 
2008-05-16 06:04:56 PM  
fatassbastard

masterskip: Scientists don't hate god, they just think he is a fat ass.

I appreciate the thought, but I don't want the responsibility. :)


LMAO
I came real close to saying fat ass bastard in my OP - something made me shorten it. Maybe some innate fear of Hell and Damnation had manifested itself as reluctance to call god a bastard. No problem calling him a fat ass, though. Go figure.
 
2008-05-16 06:05:30 PM  
In other words, he suggests that we can get around the divide between science and God if we come up with a new concept for God that focuses on the wonders of nature, among other things.
FTA.

All religions already do that. Especially Judeaism and Christianity. I think the "schism" between religion and science comes from scientists' general lack of understanding when it comes to real theology, and from the TERRIBLE view of religion portrayed by some (well, too many) of its followers.

Anyone who thinks that the debate between science and religion is recent is extremely, extremely ignorant. I gave a copy of Augustine's "Confessions" (written around 350 a.d.) to an atheist friend of mine, and he conceded that Christians have, at least, been reconciling science with God for over almost two thousand years now.

In short: We Christians need to study more science. And scientists need to study more theology.
 
2008-05-16 06:05:34 PM  
I might be able to believe in the G-d presented in the Bible, but I could never love Him.
 
2008-05-16 06:05:54 PM  
THERE WAS NO HISTORICAL JESUS.

None of his contemporaries wrote anything about him.

The first gospel wasn't written until 40 years after the death of Jesus. The average lifespan then was less than forty years. It's unlikely that anyone who actually saw Jesus with their own eyes wrote the gospels. None of the story is credible. It's all hearsay. It's all a game of telephone. So Christians, SHUT THE FARK UP.
 
2008-05-16 06:06:47 PM  
Scientists don't hate god. Atheists don't hate god. Atheistic scientists don't hate god. They don't think that god exists. It is pointless to hate that which you don't think exists. In fact, it is impossible to hate that which you don't think exists. If you hate it, you must think it exists.
 
2008-05-16 06:07:54 PM  
true understanding of the infinite
has little to do with trying to 'prove' something;


christian fundamentalists can't even grasp the obvious fact
that the infinite cannot be expressed in finite terms

so any genuine philosophical discussion is over before it begins.


their 'god' is nothing but an extension of their own limited understanding,
a god in their own image, what else?

ego-driven, petty, simplistic and ultimately unintelligent.
 
2008-05-16 06:08:58 PM  
DeadGeek: religion/faith/spirituality/philosophy/Discworld novels answers the "Why?"

It really answers "Why?" Interesting. I've found that's exactly the question that is left unexplained.
 
2008-05-16 06:09:06 PM  
i77.photobucket.com

/Approves
 
2008-05-16 06:10:24 PM  
I don't hate God any more than I hate unicorns, vampires, or any other imaginary creature. It wouldn't make sense.
 
2008-05-16 06:11:18 PM  
Two things this thread needs:

i29.tinypic.com

and

img353.imageshack.us
 
2008-05-16 06:11:25 PM  
Selector
I might be able to believe in the G-d presented in the Bible, but I could never love Him.

I'm too full of dumb to know exactly, and too lazy to hit wikipedia for clarification, but I think that Gnosticism (or some offshoot thereof) posits that the god of the old testament is actually evil, and the real god is ...I don't know something else or something. It's fairly compelling thought fodder. You couldn't tell it by this post, though.

/lazy researcher
 
2008-05-16 06:11:58 PM  
rockman55: And scientists need to study more theology.

No, scientists have actual work to do. They don't need to waste their time with fairy tales.
 
2008-05-16 06:12:10 PM  
amanogowa: Corpus Delecti: I've got an idea. Let's pretend that Fark doesn't greenlight a minimum of 23 anti-Christian threads per week. That way, we can all sit around and act outraged over Fox's "obvious bias" without feeling like gigantic hypocritical douchebags.BLAH BLAH BLAH! I'm Christian a Fun-Da-Mentalist, and the whole world must be pro-christian My religion and whatever tenets, no matter how small and inane it is, must be followed or it is biased!

In this way, it's no better than your average political banter.

\Can't spell Fundamentalist without Fun
\\Or mental.
\\\Or both. Tehy are both fun and mental!
 
2008-05-16 06:13:20 PM  
Not funny just sad that people think that every word in a book that says on the cover " King James Verson" is the word of God.

I have said it before But I like the " Rick James Verson"
 
2008-05-16 06:13:28 PM  
thamike 2008-05-16 06:08:58 PM
DeadGeek: religion/faith/spirituality/philosophy/Discworld novels answers the "Why?"

It really answers "Why?" Interesting. I've found that's exactly the question that is left unexplained.


The great existential understanding for me came from Curly in City Slickers, and hes been re-enforced by such wonderous works as Mort, Hogfather, the Light Fantastic, etc.....
 
2008-05-16 06:13:28 PM  
Here's the point, which I try to make at least once per week in these endless Christian-Bashing threads:

Atheists are inherently douchebags.


You know, week after week, what I see on Fark is a bunch of juvenile cretins insulting Christians. You know what I DON'T see? Christians getting thread Greenlit where they sit around insulting you dimwits. There's apparently ONE Christian that bothers to state his case around here, so what do you jackoffs do? You post insipid "summon Bevets" images, and attack him in threads that he's not even taking part in.

So basically, over 80% of America is Christian, and yet you don't see many of those people here, trying to spread or anti-atheist sentiments. Atheists are a tiny percentage of America, and yet they represent just about 100% of the hate-mongering here on Fark.

So yeah, the conclusion I draw when I see a tiny group being responsible for just about ALL the insults and personal attacks is: the members of that group are universally assholes.

Now, before the inevitable whine-fest starts about how mean *I* am to all you poor, poor atheists, let me point out the obvious: none of you have a goddamn clue where I stand on religion. But even if I'm secretly the Pope, it leaves us with the fact that I'm one guy standing up to a group full of bigoted, arrogant jackasses. What I'm NOT doing is getting articles Greenlit for the sole express purpose of insulting Atheists, the way you guys do to insult Christians.
 
2008-05-16 06:14:20 PM  
"It's not news, it's a Cavuto!"

See, you can say anything you like, as long as you throw a "some say" or a question mark at the end.
 
2008-05-16 06:15:25 PM  
Corpus Delecti: Here's the point, which I try to make at least once per week in these endless Christian-Bashing threads:

Atheists are inherently douchebags.

You know, week after week, what I see on Fark is a bunch of juvenile cretins insulting Christians. You know what I DON'T see? Christians getting thread Greenlit where they sit around insulting you dimwits. There's apparently ONE Christian that bothers to state his case around here, so what do you jackoffs do? You post insipid "summon Bevets" images, and attack him in threads that he's not even taking part in.

So basically, over 80% of America is Christian, and yet you don't see many of those people here, trying to spread or anti-atheist sentiments. Atheists are a tiny percentage of America, and yet they represent just about 100% of the hate-mongering here on Fark.

So yeah, the conclusion I draw when I see a tiny group being responsible for just about ALL the insults and personal attacks is: the members of that group are universally assholes.

Now, before the inevitable whine-fest starts about how mean *I* am to all you poor, poor atheists, let me point out the obvious: none of you have a goddamn clue where I stand on religion. But even if I'm secretly the Pope, it leaves us with the fact that I'm one guy standing up to a group full of bigoted, arrogant jackasses. What I'm NOT doing is getting articles Greenlit for the sole express purpose of insulting Atheists, the way you guys do to insult Christians.


I'm not an atheist, and I still think you're an idiot. Where does that leave you??
 
2008-05-16 06:15:36 PM  
boot20: Farkonnen: GhostFish: Religion has already proven that it can stifle and nearly destroy any scientific inquiry and development.

Where is your proof to back that statement up?

The Dark Ages.


The dark ages did not destroy science. Yes, religions sought to erase what they considered blasphemy, and managed to destroy valuable data, but it didn't come close to destroying it. Nor could it ever. Thinking about things scientifically is just a logical function. It does not need to exclude the idea of God.

Religions have a quantified concept of God. Science measures these ideas and finds them logically flawed. It does not mean there is no God. Just because God has not been quantified does not deny its possible existence.

I personally think mankind is vein to think it is in the form of God.
 
2008-05-16 06:15:48 PM  
Corpus Delecti: Atheists are douchebags.


"Whoever says "You Fool!" Shall Be in Danger of Hell Fire."
Jesus Christ

--Matthew 5:22

/have fun in hell
 
2008-05-16 06:16:04 PM  
framitz: I'm a scientist, I don't hate god. What's point in hating a mythic creature? That would be a waste of energy and hypocritical wouldn't it?

I always hated Wraiths. Stealing XP was just such a hack. I really hated those things!

And carrion slugs. Dissolving your favorite sword? Buncha crap. Gelatinous ozes sucked too.
 
2008-05-16 06:16:09 PM  
thamike: It really answers "Why?" Interesting. I've found that's exactly the question that is left unexplained.

And for a reason. Every character in the Bible had to find their own why. So did God. So does everyone. "Why" doesn't come in pill form. That's why we usually find our Why when we are dying.
 
2008-05-16 06:16:18 PM  
Sammy Jenkins: THERE WAS NO HISTORICAL JESUS.

None of his contemporaries wrote anything about him.

The first gospel wasn't written until 40 years after the death of Jesus. The average lifespan then was less than forty years. It's unlikely that anyone who actually saw Jesus with their own eyes wrote the gospels. None of the story is credible. It's all hearsay. It's all a game of telephone. So Christians, SHUT THE FARK UP.


Average live expectancy isn't the same thing as median live expectancy. This drives me nuts. The infant mortality rate is the difference.
 
2008-05-16 06:17:53 PM  
Corpus Delecti: none of you have a goddamn clue

blasphemy

you are the worst Christian on the site, really, you are bad at your religion.

Maybe you could post about how great your religion is without breaking the 10 commandments in the post?
 
2008-05-16 06:18:23 PM  
Fox hates the truth.
 
2008-05-16 06:18:32 PM  
Selector: Corpus Delecti: Here's the point, which I try to make at least once per week in these endless Christian-Bashing threads:

Atheists are inherently douchebags.

You know, week after week, what I see on Fark is a bunch of juvenile cretins insulting Christians. You know what I DON'T see? Christians getting thread Greenlit where they sit around insulting you dimwits. There's apparently ONE Christian that bothers to state his case around here, so what do you jackoffs do? You post insipid "summon Bevets" images, and attack him in threads that he's not even taking part in.

So basically, over 80% of America is Christian, and yet you don't see many of those people here, trying to spread or anti-atheist sentiments. Atheists are a tiny percentage of America, and yet they represent just about 100% of the hate-mongering here on Fark.

So yeah, the conclusion I draw when I see a tiny group being responsible for just about ALL the insults and personal attacks is: the members of that group are universally assholes.

Now, before the inevitable whine-fest starts about how mean *I* am to all you poor, poor atheists, let me point out the obvious: none of you have a goddamn clue where I stand on religion. But even if I'm secretly the Pope, it leaves us with the fact that I'm one guy standing up to a group full of bigoted, arrogant jackasses. What I'm NOT doing is getting articles Greenlit for the sole express purpose of insulting Atheists, the way you guys do to insult Christians.

I'm not an atheist, and I still think you're an idiot. Where does that leave you??



Moreover, Bevets does not present his case. He takes out-of-context quotes and uses them to try to justify completely illogical arguments, and does so so often that he's pretty much become the resident crazy person. So forgive us if we poke a little fun at him every now and again.
 
2008-05-16 06:19:26 PM  
Corpus Delecti
Atheists are inherently douchebags.

We've gone nuclear, folks. Everyone take their anti-radiation meds.
 
2008-05-16 06:19:51 PM  
The Dark Ages...are not a very good example.

Science was kept alive by Priests and Monks. Seriously - the Natural Philosophers of the Church played a rather major role. Hell, a little later look at all the physicists and astronomers. A pretty decent portion of them were Catholic clergymen. If iirc, Galileo was actually friends with the pope for a while.
 
2008-05-16 06:19:52 PM  
DeadGeek:
The great existential understanding for me came from Curly in City Slickers, and hes been re-enforced by such wonderous works as Mort, Hogfather, the Light Fantastic, etc.....

farm1.static.flickr.com

Hah!
 
2008-05-16 06:19:55 PM  
Sammy Jenkins: THERE WAS NO HISTORICAL JESUS.
None of his contemporaries wrote anything about him.


Oh, well, clearly NOBODY existed unless a "contemporary" wrote about them. That means that there were roughly six people who existed in the time of Jesus, and no humans existed at all prior to the invention of the alphabet.

...but now that I'm done mocking the inherent stupidity of your argument, I'd like to point out that you're a lying sack of shiat. Plenty of his "contemporaries" wrote about him. In fact, far more people wrote about him than wrote about any other private individual of his time. Seriously, do you often find that fabricating arguments impresses people?
 
2008-05-16 06:20:13 PM  
"- Science has failed to find natural evidence of God. Natural evidence is all there is. No God. Case closed."

This might be the stupidest thing I've read all week. I didn't bother to check the actual credentials of the guy they attributed that quote to, but it doesn't strike me as having very much to do with science. Lacking proof of something's existence doesn't prove that that thing doesn't exist. It proves you're an idiot.


/Not defending the churchies.
//Just sayin' is all.
 
2008-05-16 06:21:03 PM  
Corpus Delecti: Atheists are inherently douchebags.

If there were a god, he'd probably remove the sand from your vagina. Ergo, there probably isn't a god.
 
2008-05-16 06:21:07 PM  
eqtworld: Corpus Delecti: Atheists are douchebags.


"Whoever says "You Fool!" Shall Be in Danger of Hell Fire."
Jesus Christ

--Matthew 5:22

/have fun in hell


i221.photobucket.com
 
2008-05-16 06:21:55 PM  
Selector: Selector: Corpus Delecti: Here's the point, which I try to make at least once per week in these endless Christian-Bashing threads:

Atheists are inherently douchebags.

You know, week after week, what I see on Fark is a bunch of juvenile cretins insulting Christians. You know what I DON'T see? Christians getting thread Greenlit where they sit around insulting you dimwits. There's apparently ONE Christian that bothers to state his case around here, so what do you jackoffs do? You post insipid "summon Bevets" images, and attack him in threads that he's not even taking part in.

So basically, over 80% of America is Christian, and yet you don't see many of those people here, trying to spread or anti-atheist sentiments. Atheists are a tiny percentage of America, and yet they represent just about 100% of the hate-mongering here on Fark.

So yeah, the conclusion I draw when I see a tiny group being responsible for just about ALL the insults and personal attacks is: the members of that group are universally assholes.

Now, before the inevitable whine-fest starts about how mean *I* am to all you poor, poor atheists, let me point out the obvious: none of you have a goddamn clue where I stand on religion. But even if I'm secretly the Pope, it leaves us with the fact that I'm one guy standing up to a group full of bigoted, arrogant jackasses. What I'm NOT doing is getting articles Greenlit for the sole express purpose of insulting Atheists, the way you guys do to insult Christians.

I'm not an atheist, and I still think you're an idiot. Where does that leave you??


Moreover, Bevets does not present his case. He takes out-of-context quotes and uses them to try to justify completely illogical arguments, and does so so often that he's pretty much become the resident crazy person. So forgive us if we poke a little fun at him every now and again.




And furthermore, we don't insult Christians. We insult close-minded, hate- and fear-mongering Christians who use their faith to try to subjugate others or force their beliefs on other people. Yeah, there's a few who just categorically hate Christians, but there's a few assholes in every bunch. Far more prevalent on this site are the people who call out illogical. irrational Christians for attempting to force their lifestyles on everyone else based on subjective, unproveable beliefs.


Sorry for the triple post, but I kept seeing things I just HAD to argue with.
 
2008-05-16 06:22:38 PM  
Corpus Delecti: Here's the point, which I try to make at least once per week in these endless Christian-Bashing threads:

Atheists are inherently douchebags.

You know, week after week, what I see on Fark is a bunch of juvenile cretins insulting Christians. You know what I DON'T see? Christians getting thread Greenlit where they sit around insulting you dimwits. There's apparently ONE Christian that bothers to state his case around here, so what do you jackoffs do? You post insipid "summon Bevets" images, and attack him in threads that he's not even taking part in.

So basically, over 80% of America is Christian, and yet you don't see many of those people here, trying to spread or anti-atheist sentiments. Atheists are a tiny percentage of America, and yet they represent just about 100% of the hate-mongering here on Fark.

So yeah, the conclusion I draw when I see a tiny group being responsible for just about ALL the insults and personal attacks is: the members of that group are universally assholes.

Now, before the inevitable whine-fest starts about how mean *I* am to all you poor, poor atheists, let me point out the obvious: none of you have a goddamn clue where I stand on religion. But even if I'm secretly the Pope, it leaves us with the fact that I'm one guy standing up to a group full of bigoted, arrogant jackasses. What I'm NOT doing is getting articles Greenlit for the sole express purpose of insulting Atheists, the way you guys do to insult Christians.


I thought trolls didn't like flame.
I thought God was supposed to pass judgment. How un-Christian.
Oh, and you blasphemed there.
 
2008-05-16 06:23:02 PM  
SichuanPepper: /have fun in hell

DON'T YOU DARE DUMB-BLOND-CHICK A COMMAND BY JESUS, SON OF GOD
 
2008-05-16 06:23:25 PM  
Corpus Delecti: That means that there were roughly six people who existed in the time of Jesus, and no humans existed at all prior to the invention of the alphabet.

Oh, never mind. You're a retard.

1) We have records of lots of people from the time of Christ.
2) There are two records of Christ: the gospels, written at least 50 years after his supposed death and one historian who mentioned Christ's followers.

Given the fact that the Romans recorded everything, and the fact that several elements in the gospels directly contradict the Roman records and any other historical evidence, this calls into doubt your claims.
 
2008-05-16 06:23:55 PM  
In the first place, there can be no living science unless there is a widespread instinctive conviction in the existence of an Order Of Things. And, in particular, of an Order Of Nature . . . The inexpugnable belief that every detailed occurrence can be correlated with its antecedents in a perfectly definite manner . . . must come from the medieval insistence on the rationality of God . . . My explanation is that the faith in the possibility of science, generated antecedently to the development of modern scientific theory, is an unconscious derivative from medieval theology. ~ Alfred North Whitehead

Modern science was conceived, and born, and flourished in the matrix of Christian theism. Only liberal doses of self-deception and double-think, I believe, will permit it to flourish in the context of Darwinian naturalism. ~ Alvin Plantinga
 
2008-05-16 06:24:09 PM  
Douchebags? I don't see anything wrong with douchebags who don't make it their business wear their douchebag clothes and disturb other douchebags in their home, to sell douchebag books for more powerful douchebags who lie about having absolutely no idea what a "douchebag" actually is.
 
2008-05-16 06:24:11 PM  
Corpus Delecti: Atheists are inherently douchebags.

The whole reason science exists is to cure the stupid. Which may be a lost cause on you.
 
2008-05-16 06:24:15 PM  
Corpus Delecti

Atheists are inherently douchebags.

THIS
 
2008-05-16 06:24:27 PM  
I'm not going to get into the flame war, though I am a Christian. I'll just say that both sides have the exact same evidence, and the difference is in interpretation. Science cannot give a complete view of reality, nor can religion, philosophy, etc.

What I find interesting is how many atheists are on Fark given that they make up a small minority of the world population and an even smaller minority of the US population. Is the entire 2.6% of the world that declares itself atheist on Fark or something?

/just wondering
//you may now resume your regularly scheduled flame war.
 
2008-05-16 06:24:40 PM  
t3knomanser: Corpus Delecti: That means that there were roughly six people who existed in the time of Jesus, and no humans existed at all prior to the invention of the alphabet.

Oh, never mind. You're a retard.

1) We have records of lots of people from the time of Christ.
2) There are two records of Christ: the gospels, written at least 50 years after his supposed death and one historian who mentioned Christ's followers.

Given the fact that the Romans recorded everything, and the fact that several elements in the gospels directly contradict the Roman records and any other historical evidence, this calls into doubt your claims.


I'm not defending Corpus Delecti, but the comment you referenced was in sarcastic response to someone else.
 
2008-05-16 06:24:55 PM  
Selector: Sorry for the triple post, but I kept seeing things I just HAD to argue with.

The devil made you do it?

Also,

www.neuffy.com
 
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