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2008-05-16 11:07:49 AM
Link doesn't work.
 
2008-05-16 11:20:15 AM
Didn't work the first time, was about baseball the second.

I've now lost interest.
 
2008-05-16 11:28:13 AM
submitter: (link fixed)

Try again.
 
2008-05-16 11:31:10 AM
The money is worth an apathetic fan base I suppose. It would probably only be a temporary move. I'd like to see the Vikings move there just for the hell of it.
 
2008-05-16 11:34:02 AM
L.A. would have to build a new stadium and I don't see that happening.
 
2008-05-16 12:35:03 PM
Minnesota has a strong fan base despite having a mediocre team and a horrible stadium. There's a good reason why NFL teams moved out of L.A. in the first place. If the demand actually existed, they'd add an expansion team (with a solid backup plan of where to relocate when local fans start to ignore them).
 
2008-05-16 12:35:25 PM
drnugget: I'd like to see the Vikings move there

Ten years ago, as a die-hard Vikings fan, I'd have invited you to do all kinds of impossible sex acts with yourself, your mom, and the farm animal of your choice.

Now...meh.

Jerry Seinfeld got it right: we're cheering for laundry.
 
2008-05-16 12:57:32 PM
Faux Shizzle: If the demand actually existed, they'd add an expansion team (with a solid backup plan of where to relocate when local fans start to ignore them).

The NFL front office likes the way the current scheduling system works with 32 teams since it splits nicely (4 teams x 4 divisions x 2 conferences). They won't expand anytime soon.
 
2008-05-16 12:59:42 PM
NFL teams are still using the worst pro-football market in the nation as leverage to extort their current homes.


Fixed that for subby.
 
2008-05-16 01:01:53 PM
Jerry Seinfeld got it right: we're cheering for laundry.

True...but if you watched Seinfeld from the beginning, you'll see he was a Mets fan, then switched to the Yankees when they started winning. I don't really trust the opinion of someone who bandwagon's like that.

/Go Redskins Uniforms!
 
2008-05-16 01:03:15 PM
why the hell would the Raiders want to move BACK to LA? Didn't they learn their lesson the first time?
 
2008-05-16 01:03:43 PM
The Los Angeles Vikings? Whats next the Minnesota Dolphins?
 
2008-05-16 01:10:44 PM
Gunny Highway: The Los Angeles Vikings?

It's no worse than the Los Angeles Lakers.
 
2008-05-16 01:12:35 PM
they would have to change to the Los Angeles Botulism
 
2008-05-16 01:15:51 PM
Yanks_RSJ: Gunny Highway: The Los Angeles Vikings?

It's no worse than the Los Angeles Lakers.


Too true. Unless you are talking about the tar pits i guess.
 
2008-05-16 01:22:33 PM
Good god. LA doesn't deserve another NFL team. Give another market a chance. If they supported their teams they wouldn't have moved to Oakland and St. Louis.
 
2008-05-16 01:28:58 PM
PowerSlacker: NFL teams are still using the worst pro-football market in the nation as leverage to extort their current homes.


Fixed that for subby.


Aaaaaand... that's it in a nutshell.
 
2008-05-16 01:30:41 PM
Ah, yes. The old "Give us a stadium or we move to Los Angeles" story. I remember when the TB Bucs had just been sold to Malcolm Glazer. The story was the Bucs would be moved to LA and renamed the "Los Angeles Spidermen".

Good times, people. Good times.

I vote for a new round of expansion teams. Of course, to keep things even 8 new teams would need to be added. I'd hate to have it like it was, where some conferences (??) had 4 teams and others had 5. Where would you put them?

Here's a short list of my worthless opinion, and in no particular order:

Los Angeles
Toronto
Las Vegas
San Antonio
(Fill in the blank)
(Fill in the blank)
(Fill in the blank)
(Fill in the blank)

This, of course, presumes the NFL doesn't decide to go international (Toronto doesn't count). I thought I remembered hearing a few years back that Mexico City was being floated as a possible expansion opportunity, alongside Toronto. And, of course, if we're not minding the jet lag, you could potentially put Hawaii on that list.
 
2008-05-16 01:35:43 PM
jjphx: True...but if you watched Seinfeld from the beginning, you'll see he was a Mets fan, then switched to the Yankees when they started winning. I don't really trust the opinion of someone who bandwagon's like that.

At what point in the series? Sure, George worked for them (and almost jumped ship to NYM) but I don't remember any mention in the show from Jerry that he liked the Yankees.
 
2008-05-16 01:41:57 PM
I'm wondering what other markets exist for an NFL team. Portland, Mexico City, Somewhere in New Mexico (Albuquerque? Santa Fe? Roswell would be cool), Salt Lake City, Montgomery, Richmond and Louisville jump to mind, though I'm sure there's others.

/If Jacksonville can have a team, why not Roswell?
 
2008-05-16 01:43:10 PM
You mean teams are lining up to use LA as a threat to extort money out of their current home cities?

If so, then yeah.
 
2008-05-16 01:45:19 PM
Gnorb: Ah, yes. The old "Give us a stadium or we move to Los Angeles" story. I remember when the TB Bucs had just been sold to Malcolm Glazer. The story was the Bucs would be moved to LA and renamed the "Los Angeles Spidermen".

Good times, people. Good times.

I vote for a new round of expansion teams. Of course, to keep things even 8 new teams would need to be added. I'd hate to have it like it was, where some conferences (??) had 4 teams and others had 5. Where would you put them?

Here's a short list of my worthless opinion, and in no particular order:

Los Angeles
Toronto
Las Vegas
San Antonio
(Fill in the blank)
(Fill in the blank)
(Fill in the blank)
(Fill in the blank)

This, of course, presumes the NFL doesn't decide to go international (Toronto doesn't count). I thought I remembered hearing a few years back that Mexico City was being floated as a possible expansion opportunity, alongside Toronto. And, of course, if we're not minding the jet lag, you could potentially put Hawaii on that list.


Good god, does Texas really deserve another football team? I think they have enough already.
 
2008-05-16 01:49:43 PM
This thread needs more

www.nancarrow-webdesk.com

Ahhh, that's about right.
 
2008-05-16 01:52:03 PM
At what point in the series? Sure, George worked for them (and almost jumped ship to NYM) but I don't remember any mention in the show from Jerry that he liked the Yankees.


I don't remember him ever talking about the Mets once George was working for the Yankees. Every story line was Yankees something. Seinfeld himself is always seen at Yankees games with a Yankees cap on. In the pilot he was trying to get everyone to not tell him about the Mets game because he taped it, and he was wearing a Mets cap. Never really saw him wear any Mets gear after the whole Yankees storylines came in.
 
2008-05-16 01:53:14 PM
*Los Angeles Raiders (they'd do just fine if they were alone in LA, and the Bay Area already has two teams)
*San Antonio Jaguars (or maybe Portland?)

Everyone else should stay right where they are. I'm going to leave the inevitable "Toronto Bills" idea alone for now.
 
2008-05-16 02:04:47 PM
Just to clarify, nobody is "lining up" to move to LA. The blurb that's linked merely lists some teams that may have some flexibility in their lease situations soon.
 
2008-05-16 02:06:40 PM
Far more likely we'll get a Carson or Anaheim team...

I just want to know why all the LA animosity (by the way the LA Animosity would be a great team name). I get the farkers hate on everything, but really? "LA doesn't 'deserve' an NFL team."

What qualifies as 'deserve'? Do we not do enough charity work with homeless children or something? I, for one, spend each tuesday afternoon reading to comatose burn victims.

/other potential LA names:
LA Riot
LA Wildfire
LA Earthquake
LA Freeway
LA Stars
LA Stallions (!!!!)
 
2008-05-16 02:08:04 PM
The Raiders make the most sense for a team to move to LA. There is already a pro team in that market.
 
2008-05-16 02:09:17 PM
goatcane:

/other potential LA names:
LA Riot
LA Wildfire
LA Earthquake
LA Freeway
LA Stars
LA Stallions (!!!!)


The Coke Whores
The Smog
The Disillusioned
The Dudes
 
2008-05-16 02:13:49 PM
Hey, we have a pro team here in LA, they're called the Trojans. We pay them and everything.

/Probably could've beaten some of the NFL teams anyway
 
2008-05-16 02:14:25 PM
ihatedumbpeople: If they supported their teams they wouldn't have moved to Oakland and St. Louis.

You're blaming LA for Al Davis? Really?

Also, go rent Major League, watch it, and every time you hear "Cleveland Indians" replace it with "LA Rams." That's where the idea for the movie came from, only without the scrappy team pulling it together.
 
2008-05-16 02:26:16 PM
As a nearly lifelong resident (and I've lived a long life) I have to agree that Los Angeles really doesn't care all that much about the NFL--mostly, I think, because of how the league conducts its business.
Baseball? Hell, yes. Two teams, both very well-supported.
Basketball? That too. Even the Clippers can make a go of it here.
Football? That's the USC Trojans and the UCLA Bruins, kiddo.

Of course, if you folks out there want to bend over, spread your cheeks, and let the NFL bone you for tax breaks and subsidies, that's your business, and your choice.
But don't begrudge us the right to make our own choices.
I don't think we've made the wrong one.
 
2008-05-16 02:28:13 PM
forstmeister: Gnorb: Ah, yes. The old "Give us a stadium or we move to Los Angeles" story. I remember when the TB Bucs had just been sold to Malcolm Glazer. The story was the Bucs would be moved to LA and renamed the "Los Angeles Spidermen".

Good times, people. Good times.

I vote for a new round of expansion teams. Of course, to keep things even 8 new teams would need to be added. I'd hate to have it like it was, where some conferences (??) had 4 teams and others had 5. Where would you put them?

Here's a short list of my worthless opinion, and in no particular order:

Los Angeles
Toronto
Las Vegas
San Antonio
(Fill in the blank)
(Fill in the blank)
(Fill in the blank)
(Fill in the blank)

This, of course, presumes the NFL doesn't decide to go international (Toronto doesn't count). I thought I remembered hearing a few years back that Mexico City was being floated as a possible expansion opportunity, alongside Toronto. And, of course, if we're not minding the jet lag, you could potentially put Hawaii on that list.

Good god, does Texas really deserve another football team? I think they have enough already.


Really, are you serious? When did two teams become that many? Texas only has two teams and is the second biggest state, along with it being probably the most football crazy state. California has 3 teams, NY has 3 teams, and for some reason Florida has 3 teams, so why should Texas have the same amount of teams that much smaller states such as Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Missou have. San Antonio would probably support their team much more than LA, Vegas, and Portland would. SA is the 2nd biggest city without a football team, I think they're due.
 
2008-05-16 02:31:39 PM
Hang On Voltaire: The Raiders make the most sense for a team to move to LA. There is already a pro team in that market.

That would be great for many reasons. First off, it would prevent me from having to watch the dreadful 9ers and Raiders back to back (stupid NFL broadcast rules). Also, it would be epic to see these loser Raider fans in the Bay flip out after losing another team to the hated SoCal region. Then again, the Chargers to LA would make sense, since they represent the SoCal market anyway.
 
2008-05-16 02:37:24 PM
LA Drivebyes
L Aliens (illegal and otherworldly)
Your Los Angeles Gridlock!!!

Also, Al(zheimer) Davis has reiterated that moving back to Oakland was a tremendous mistake. Georgia borrowed so much money against the value of the Rams she had to whore out to keep the team. There were Sundays when both home teams drew in excess of 70,000 the same day. Los Angels sure isn't perfect but it is fun. The NFL wants to have Super Bowls back here BADLY...
 
2008-05-16 02:45:47 PM
All of those teams are pretty meh. Why don't we just fold them all and distribute their players to the remaining teams. Talent dilution is a real problem with there being too many teams now.
 
2008-05-16 02:47:30 PM
My Expansion Choices:
LA Nomads
San Antonio Lone Stars
Las Vegas Gamblers
Toronto Foreigners
Oklahoma City Panhandlers
Salt Lake City Punks
Virginia Beach Warriors
Portland Brewskis
 
2008-05-16 02:51:34 PM
Sergeant Crash: My Expansion Choices:
LA Nomads
San Antonio Lone Stars
Las Vegas Gamblers
Toronto Foreigners
Oklahoma City Panhandlers
Salt Lake City Punks
Virginia Beach Warriors
Portland Brewskis


When did VA Beach become a major city?
 
2008-05-16 02:56:09 PM
well its kinda combined with 7 cities or so called "hampton roads"
from wiki:
Officially, the Virginia Beach-Norfolk-Newport News, VA-NC MSA) has a population of about 1.7 million, the 33rd-largest metropolitan area in the United States.
 
2008-05-16 02:57:18 PM
When's Miami going to get a professional football team?
 
2008-05-16 02:59:33 PM
goatcane: When's Miami Atlanta going to get a professional football team?

/ftfm.
 
2008-05-16 03:17:41 PM
Los Angeles will not close enough schools, police stations and fire stations and hand over the money they thereby save to a billionaire so he can pay some millionaires.

The NFL does not dare move to a city where taxpayers are not paying several hundred million dollars of construction costs. Then other cities' voters will begin to question why they have to pay to replace decade-old "obsolete" stadiums out of their wallets.

In January of next year, when President Obama declares amnesty and open borders; the only kind of futbol team that most Los Angeles voters will care about is the Chivas Rayadas de Guadalajara.

/Zopilotes de Amierdica suck.
 
2008-05-16 03:30:26 PM
ragsthetiger: As a nearly lifelong resident (and I've lived a long life) I have to agree that Los Angeles really doesn't care all that much about the NFL--mostly, I think, because of how the league conducts its business.
Baseball? Hell, yes. Two teams, both very well-supported.
Basketball? That too. Even the Clippers can make a go of it here.
Football? That's the USC Trojans and the UCLA Bruins, kiddo.

Of course, if you folks out there want to bend over, spread your cheeks, and let the NFL bone you for tax breaks and subsidies, that's your business, and your choice.
But don't begrudge us the right to make our own choices.
I don't think we've made the wrong one.


This.

The only kind of pro football that people in LA care about is the USC Trojans and the Seleccion Nacional de Mexico (and the Chivas.)
 
2008-05-16 03:33:27 PM
Anonymocoso: Los Angeles will not close enough schools, police stations and fire stations and hand over the money they thereby save to a billionaire so he can pay some millionaires.

The NFL does not dare move to a city where taxpayers are not paying several hundred million dollars of construction costs. Then other cities' voters will begin to question why they have to pay to replace decade-old "obsolete" stadiums out of their wallets.

In January of next year, when President Obama declares amnesty and open borders; the only kind of futbol team that most Los Angeles voters will care about is the Chivas Rayadas de Guadalajara.

/Zopilotes de Amierdica suck.


I know this ain't a political thread, but you really think McCain isn't gonna do the same thing regarding the border? You realize he's from AZ right? You realize he was the one pushing the amnesty bill last year, right? or maybe you just have no idea what's coming out of your mouth.
 
2008-05-16 03:39:06 PM
With all that drug money thats going to come in when McCain or Obama is president and they open the borders LA will finally be able to afford a stadium.
 
2008-05-16 03:41:54 PM
goatcane: goatcane: When's Miami Atlanta going to get a professional football team?

/ftfm.


If Cincinnati can recruit from the prison yards, surely these two can put a team together.
 
2008-05-16 03:44:01 PM
goatcane: When's Miami going to get a professional football team?

I'd like to have one in Kansas City. Please.
 
2008-05-16 03:44:15 PM
Sergeant Crash: My Expansion Choices:
LA Nomads
San Antonio Lone Stars
Las Vegas Gamblers
Toronto Foreigners
Oklahoma City Panhandlers
Salt Lake City Punks
Virginia Beach Warriors
Portland Brewskis


Leavenworth Vicks
Cheyenne Jerichos
Dakota Rushmores (they can play the Carolina Panthers for dual-state bragging rights)
 
2008-05-16 03:45:37 PM
TheJoe03:

I know this ain't a political thread, but you really think McCain isn't gonna do the same thing regarding the border? You realize he's from AZ right? You realize he was the one pushing the amnesty bill last year, right? or maybe you just have no idea what's coming out of your mouth.

Yes, McCain would also open the borders & declare amnesty.

But when gas is $6 a gallon on election day, who is going to vote for him?

euge: With all that drug money thats going to come in when McCain or Obama is president and they open the borders LA will finally be able to afford a stadium.

True but drug kingpins tend to be soccer fans.
 
2008-05-16 03:55:18 PM
Salt Lake City != an NFL city

- Taxpayers are too cheap to pay for a stadium. The Jazz had to pay for a lot of their own arena.

- Local businesses won't buy luxury suites to a sport that plays 95% of its games on Sundays. It was OK to skip out on church to watch Steve Young play. That was different.

- Inadequate strip clubs for most NFL players' standards.

- Strange fact: an NFL team in Salt Lake City would become the 2nd closest team to legal sports betting. (San Diego is closer to Tijuana's sports betting.)
 
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