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(National Review)   President Obama's America in 2012: The only thing this article fails to include is dogs and cats living together   (article.nationalreview.com) divider line 214
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2008-05-15 03:44:23 PM
Just wait until the Annunaki show up...
 
2008-05-15 03:47:40 PM
Dr. Peter Venkman: This country is headed for a disaster of biblical proportions.
Mayor: What do you mean, "biblical"?
Dr Ray Stantz: What he means is Old Testament, Mr. Mayor, real wrath of God type stuff.
Dr. Peter Venkman: Exactly.
Dr Ray Stantz: Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies! Rivers and seas boiling!
Dr. Egon Spengler: Forty years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes...
Winston Zeddemore: The dead rising from the grave!
Dr. Peter Venkman: Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria!
 
2008-05-15 03:59:44 PM
So Obama won't be able to achieve peace between these two species? That's too bad.
 
2008-05-15 03:59:51 PM
I want to know where the writer purchases his crystal balls, because i'm never shopping there again
 
2008-05-15 04:03:53 PM
That pretty much covers it. The only way to accomplish their idealism is to plunge headlong into socialism. They know not what they do.
 
2008-05-15 04:05:56 PM
The partisans of the welfare state demand peace, in order to pay for its insatiable need to keep handing out more and more benefits.

Hard to argue with this. Almost all of the people who are railing against the Iraq war and want to pull our troops out inevitably do so and say "we could do XYZ social programs (education, housing, health care, etc) if we took the money we are using in Iraq and applied it at home".

Actually, if we are going to stop the war, we should put down the giant dollar sign pen and STOP SPENDING THAT MONEY ALTOGETHER
 
2008-05-15 04:08:12 PM
"President Obama"


It's got an awesome magnificent-ness to it.
 
2008-05-15 04:09:05 PM
Is this true?

It's true, Your Honor, this man has no dick.
 
2008-05-15 04:11:29 PM
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Um, yeah.
 
2008-05-15 04:13:58 PM
I wonder when they'll feel bold enough to just come right out and sell it for what it is. They seem to be very confident in it, why not just openly admit what they're selling?

If they have a majority, they should just put it on the table and stop using "globalism" as a catch phrase. It's world socialism they are selling and America is the last road block to achieving their goals.
 
2008-05-15 04:14:00 PM
"The partisans of the welfare state demand peace, in order to pay for its insatiable need to keep handing out more and more benefits."

Money that goes to poor people goes immediately to retail sales, the retailers buy more wholesale goods and hire more help raising the GDP and lowering the jobless rate. Money spent on education helps break the circle of poverty.

Money spent on war is blown up, lost or goes into offshore tax shelters.
 
2008-05-15 04:15:09 PM
Is everyone with the last name Novak an asshat journalist?
 
2008-05-15 04:18:04 PM
Oh and this, from the article: My friend himself thought, he finally revealed, that the West has come to an epochal axial point in history. From now on, economic and political progress would grow far less quickly than ever before, and a long-lasting, precipitous decline is about to begin. Overseas, and also at home.

And it will all be the fault of future-President Obama, and has nothing to do with 8 years of criminal mismanagement by your own party, eh Mr. Novak?

This guy's a grade-A asshat.
 
2008-05-15 04:18:06 PM
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For just a few million a day, these former members of Al Qaida in Iraq Sons of Iraq need American tax dollars to buy weapons and stockpile them until the day they'll turn on us to feed their families.

Please, won't you think of the former insurgents and AQI operatives Sons of Iraq?
 
2008-05-15 04:21:32 PM
Tell me this guy isn't Bob Novak's son.
 
2008-05-15 04:21:33 PM
GaryPDX: I wonder when they'll feel bold enough to just come right out and sell it for what it is. They seem to be very confident in it, why not just openly admit what they're selling?

If they have a majority, they should just put it on the table and stop using "globalism" as a catch phrase. It's world socialism they are selling and America is the last road block to achieving their goals.


I like how you blast them for using a catchphrase, then use your own. A+

Obama isn't even on the left side of the political spectrum. He's just right of the center.
 
2008-05-15 04:22:28 PM
I think the lunatic right-wing fringe is simply worried that instead of having a sympathetic ear in the current administration, they are instead going to be marginalized again.
 
2008-05-15 04:28:08 PM
superbeerchan: I think the lunatic right-wing fringe is simply worried that instead of having a sympathetic ear in the current administration, they are instead going to be marginalized again.

Just wait until they hand you the Official Citizen Rulebook, then you'll understand. After all, everyone has to pay so everyone gets taken care of.
 
2008-05-15 04:30:53 PM
Diogenes: Tell me this guy isn't Bob Novak's son.

They were born two years apart according to Wikipedia.

I'm going with husband.
 
2008-05-15 04:31:56 PM
Diogenes: Tell me this guy isn't Bob Novak's son.

The thought of Robert Novak having sex almost ruins it for me.

Almost.
 
2008-05-15 04:32:28 PM
GaryPDX: Just wait until they hand you the Official Citizen Rulebook, then you'll understand.

Is that before, or after I sign the loyalty oath?
 
2008-05-15 04:36:17 PM
superbeerchan: GaryPDX: Just wait until they hand you the Official Citizen Rulebook, then you'll understand.

Is that before, or after I sign the loyalty oath?


That's funny..the Dems are doing loyalty oaths in Oregon from Salem. We've have 40 or 50 city council members in small towns resign rather than do loyalty oaths.

Oaths (new window)

These folks are mostly republicans and now they want to make their own State in Eastern Oregon.
 
2008-05-15 04:36:17 PM
Was that article written by skookum?

I read this article earlier today off of RCP, and couldn't help but notice that his assertions that we would be deep in debt, that Iran and other extremist countries would be stronger, that terrorists would be emboldened, and there would be a total lack of responsibility on the part of the government, are all real and tangible and obvious outcomes of the last 7 years of Bush. If you're so scared of these realities in 2012, why aren't you scared of them now, as they stare you in the face?

As well, like seemingly every single Republican wingnut this election cycle, he complains and complains and complains about Obama's ideas, but offers none of his own nor offers any praise whatsoever for McCain's policies nor any defense of the last 7 years of rampant buggery of everything that America means to more half the country.

Keep it up boys. I want you to find out the hard way what more negative campaigning will get you. Keep labeling the Democrats as socialists, and radicals, and whatever else you come up with. You still haven't learned the law of unintended consequences, but you'll know it by November.
 
2008-05-15 04:38:01 PM
GaryPDX: Just wait until they hand you the Official Citizen Rulebook, then you'll understand.

Such as the one that said "if you criticize the President, then you aren't a patriot?"

That book came with a side-order of Freedom Fries.
 
2008-05-15 04:38:11 PM
Yay, today's NRO anti-Obama article! I can hardly wait for Michelle Malkin!
 
2008-05-15 04:39:57 PM
Car_Ramrod: Diogenes: Tell me this guy isn't Bob Novak's son.

The thought of Robert Novak having sex almost ruins it for me.

Almost.


Politics aside, he is one ugly mo-fo. When I heard he took Ann Coulter to the Correspondents Dinner I threw up in my mouth a little.
 
2008-05-15 04:40:25 PM
GaryPDX: That's funny..the Dems are doing loyalty oaths in Oregon from Salem. We've have 40 or 50 city council members in small towns resign rather than do loyalty oaths.

Oaths (new window)

These folks are mostly republicans and now they want to make their own State in Eastern Oregon.


Did you even read that article? It's about people resigning over an invasion of their privacy, and the words "oath" and "loyalty" appear a grand total of ZERO times. Is that the wrong article? I don't disbelieve that the Dems would try that, but that article doesn't even come close to saying what you're pretending it does.
 
2008-05-15 04:40:26 PM
Blues_X: GaryPDX: Just wait until they hand you the Official Citizen Rulebook, then you'll understand.

Such as the one that said "if you criticize the President, then you aren't a patriot?"

That book came with a side-order of Freedom Fries.


I never did like that one, I've always railed against it.
 
2008-05-15 04:41:13 PM
Tastes Like Chicken: GaryPDX: That's funny..the Dems are doing loyalty oaths in Oregon from Salem. We've have 40 or 50 city council members in small towns resign rather than do loyalty oaths.

Oaths (new window)

These folks are mostly republicans and now they want to make their own State in Eastern Oregon.

Did you even read that article? It's about people resigning over an invasion of their privacy, and the words "oath" and "loyalty" appear a grand total of ZERO times. Is that the wrong article? I don't disbelieve that the Dems would try that, but that article doesn't even come close to saying what you're pretending it does.


Being a socialist, you wouldn't understand.
 
2008-05-15 04:42:22 PM
Tastes Like Chicken: GaryPDX: That's funny..the Dems are doing loyalty oaths in Oregon from Salem. We've have 40 or 50 city council members in small towns resign rather than do loyalty oaths.

Oaths (new window)

These folks are mostly republicans and now they want to make their own State in Eastern Oregon.

Did you even read that article? It's about people resigning over an invasion of their privacy, and the words "oath" and "loyalty" appear a grand total of ZERO times. Is that the wrong article? I don't disbelieve that the Dems would try that, but that article doesn't even come close to saying what you're pretending it does.


You didn't get it..at the point of "relatives over 18", Salem's published reasoning was to determine where peoples loyalties lie. Those disclosures are easily defined as "loyalty oaths".
 
2008-05-15 04:42:56 PM
cousin-merle: Diogenes: Tell me this guy isn't Bob Novak's son.

They were born two years apart according to Wikipedia.

I'm going with husband.


LOL

Bob's a follower of Opus Dei. It's little surprise he's into teh kinky ghey sex.
 
2008-05-15 04:43:05 PM
GaryPDX: Just wait until they hand you the Official Citizen Rulebook, then you'll understand. After all, everyone has to pay so everyone gets taken care of.

I just love your "sky is falling!" act whenever socialist ideas get discussed.

Oh the horror! We could be like.. like.. Icelanders!! Those poor miserable bastards?!
 
2008-05-15 04:44:41 PM
Unright: GaryPDX: Just wait until they hand you the Official Citizen Rulebook, then you'll understand. After all, everyone has to pay so everyone gets taken care of.

I just love your "sky is falling!" act whenever socialist ideas get discussed.

Oh the horror! We could be like.. like.. Icelanders!! Those poor miserable bastards?!


See..now this is more better. Someone willing to admit what they're selling. Thanks.
 
2008-05-15 04:46:42 PM
GaryPDX: You didn't get it..at the point of "relatives over 18", Salem's published reasoning was to determine where peoples loyalties lie. Those disclosures are easily defined as "loyalty oaths".

Isn't that just to make sure that there's no kickbacks for family members of government officials?
 
2008-05-15 04:47:34 PM
GaryPDX: You didn't get it..at the point of "relatives over 18", Salem's published reasoning was to determine where peoples loyalties lie. Those disclosures are easily defined as "loyalty oaths".

How so? I'm really not trying to be obtuse here - but I don't see how this has anything to do with loyalty, and I don't see how it has any similarity at all to requiring people to pledge allegiance to the party. It's obviously an invasion of privacy... but I'm not seeing the loyalty part. Can you elaborate?
 
2008-05-15 04:49:13 PM
Blues_X: GaryPDX: You didn't get it..at the point of "relatives over 18", Salem's published reasoning was to determine where peoples loyalties lie. Those disclosures are easily defined as "loyalty oaths".

Isn't that just to make sure that there's no kickbacks for family members of government officials?


Quite a few of them didn't take it that way. They just said "screw this" and resigned.
 
2008-05-15 04:51:03 PM
Unright: I just love your "sky is falling!" act whenever socialist ideas get discussed.

Oh the horror! We could be like.. like.. Icelanders!! Those poor miserable bastards?!


Three words: state. run. liquor. stores. Well, in Sweden, but close enough.
 
2008-05-15 04:54:28 PM
Tastes Like Chicken: GaryPDX: You didn't get it..at the point of "relatives over 18", Salem's published reasoning was to determine where peoples loyalties lie. Those disclosures are easily defined as "loyalty oaths".

How so? I'm really not trying to be obtuse here - but I don't see how this has anything to do with loyalty, and I don't see how it has any similarity at all to requiring people to pledge allegiance to the party. It's obviously an invasion of privacy... but I'm not seeing the loyalty part. Can you elaborate?


Many of them were immediately offended by the invasion of privacy and Salem threw the word "loyalty" in their faces. In Oregon, many people think Salem is controlled by socialists. The Dems are in Portland, Salem and Eugene, the rest of the State is not unlike Texas from an attitude standpoint and quite republican. These guys took it that way and a LOT of them resigned rather than "succumb" to Salem's "tyranny".

That's how it's played out. Now there is a group calling for eastern oregon seceding from Salem and making their own State. It's kinda humorous but these folks are pretty serious and I really don't blame them. Who my relatives are isn't any of Salem's stupid business.
 
2008-05-15 04:57:07 PM
GaryPDX: Quite a few of them didn't take it that way. They just said "screw this" and resigned.

Well they're dumb.

Who my relatives are isn't any of Salem's stupid business.

If you're a public official, then yes it is.
 
2008-05-15 04:58:00 PM
Car_Ramrod: GaryPDX: Quite a few of them didn't take it that way. They just said "screw this" and resigned.

Well they're dumb.

Who my relatives are isn't any of Salem's stupid business.

If you're a public official, then yes it is.


Uh,.no it isn't. People think it is.
 
2008-05-15 04:59:37 PM
GaryPDX: Car_Ramrod: GaryPDX: Quite a few of them didn't take it that way. They just said "screw this" and resigned.

Well they're dumb.

Who my relatives are isn't any of Salem's stupid business.

If you're a public official, then yes it is.

Uh,.no it isn't. People think it is.


Why do you hate transparency in government?
 
2008-05-15 05:00:27 PM
GaryPDX: That's funny..the Dems are doing loyalty oaths in Oregon from Salem. We've have 40 or 50 city council members in small towns resign rather than do loyalty oaths.

Oaths (new window)

These folks are mostly republicans and now they want to make their own State in Eastern Oregon.


Did you actually read the article you linked? It's a "conflict of interest" statement, not a "loyalty oath."

FTFA: "It brings government into this open, transparent, accountable manner," he said. "A public official is not allowed to benefit from their public position."
 
2008-05-15 05:03:11 PM
The fact that The National Review is still considered the the most well-respected "conservative" voice in the country is one of the many reasons the Republican Party is in big, big farking trouble.

Simply hating liberals doesn't constitute a political ideology. It may feel good, but it's not getting the conservative movement anywhere.
 
2008-05-15 05:03:46 PM
Car_Ramrod: Why do you hate transparency in government?

I don't. But when the government is rummaging around in cousins, or whoever, lives, that's too far. I have no control or influence over what my relatives do and if my word isn't good enough, I don't want the stupid situation to begin with.

You see, you think it's a prudent practice, comrade. Free people are offended by it.
 
2008-05-15 05:03:49 PM
I think the Mayans have the world ending in 2012, so it doesn't really matter what Obama says.
 
2008-05-15 05:05:29 PM
The Onanist: Did you actually read the article you linked? It's a "conflict of interest" statement, not a "loyalty oath."

FTFA: "It brings government into this open, transparent, accountable manner," he said. "A public official is not allowed to benefit from their public position."


Came, clicked GaryPDX's link, beaten to the punch by TO, but still "This!"

/of course this has nothing to do with the stupidity of the original article.
 
2008-05-15 05:05:44 PM
The Onanist: Did you actually read the article you linked? It's a "conflict of interest" statement, not a "loyalty oath."

FTFA: "It brings government into this open, transparent, accountable manner," he said. "A public official is not allowed to benefit from their public position."


Okay..I'm explaining to you what happened and how these people reacted to it.
 
2008-05-15 05:06:57 PM
GurneyHalleck: I think the Mayans have the world ending in 2012, so it doesn't really matter what Obama says.

And Merlin's Legends, and the THE old Chinese Book all speak of 2012. Zombies wars, baby..boooyeah.
 
2008-05-15 05:08:25 PM
GaryPDX: Okay..I'm explaining to you what happened and how these people reacted to it.

Well... maybe they're just assholes?
 
2008-05-15 05:09:11 PM
GaryPDX: Car_Ramrod: Why do you hate transparency in government?

I don't. But when the government is rummaging around in cousins, or whoever, lives, that's too far. I have no control or influence over what my relatives do and if my word isn't good enough, I don't want the stupid situation to begin with.

You see, you think it's a prudent practice, comrade. Free people are offended by it.


They are using it as a check against conflict of interest, you know, like what happens in Chicago. This is why executives at companies have to declare stock transactions, why relatives of an employee cannot win prizes in that company's giveaways, etc...

/woah, Wilford Brimley "diabetus" reference on Fast Money on CNBC, even with the goofy pronunciation
//oh yeah, I watch it to learn how to be socialist
 
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