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2008-05-14 04:32:47 PM
Translation of the article: The gov't is about to raise taxes or create more taxes on cell phones.
 
2008-05-14 04:32:57 PM
theoriginalslash: And THIS. I've never understood why EVERYBODY in a certain area needs to make phone calls during a disaster/crisis/whatever. My suspicion is, most of those people didn't really need to call anyone. They just felt like calling whoever to say, "Hey, do you know what's going on? No? Huh... blah blah blah." I'd bet the majority of call volume in an "emergency" is assholes who don't have an emergency.

My bet, having experience the loma prieta quake, is that most of those calls are from people around the country to the affected area seeing if loved ones are still alive.
 
2008-05-14 04:34:16 PM
kemosabe: Trivia Jockey: I only keep my land line so that when I need to give my phone number to a company or other third party, I won't get calls on my cell phone. I don't want to be deluged with business calls all day on my cell.

So this.

I don't have a land line, but I will be doing so for this reason alone. I've already received a few calls from telemarketers to my cell phone, but thankfully none so far this year.


Yeah, if their name isn't in my contact list I generally don't answer my cell.
 
2008-05-14 04:34:19 PM
Brodan: Ruca: Why pay for a landline?

DSL.


I have DSL without a landline. Cheaper that way. DSL + Cellphone is the way to roll.
 
2008-05-14 04:35:17 PM
Well if it weren't for the fact that DirecTV requires a phone line despite the fact that our HD-DVR is hooked up to our network...we wouldn't have a phone line (Comcast). In fact...our cell phones are more reliable than our land line here at our house because we have a constant 4 bars, even in the basement. Comcast has been splitting our connection to hell and several times we've had signal strength issues causing us to lose our phones and internet completely.
 
2008-05-14 04:36:06 PM
Thanks, Great Janitor. Now I know. Appreciate the knowledge.
 
2008-05-14 04:37:57 PM
Senor Revington: Brodan: Ruca: Why pay for a landline?

DSL.

I have DSL without a landline. Cheaper that way. DSL + Cellphone is the way to roll.


I don't know where you are but in Denver it is cheaper but not by much.

Then again I am a couple blocks from a new CO and get a full 7 meg down so I pay for the fastest tier.
 
2008-05-14 04:37:59 PM
dittybopper: How was that number accounted for? 412K house fires? But only 2,580 died?

Something seems wrong. I find it hard to swallow that only 1 house fire in 160 results in a death.

I'd accept 1 in 20, or even 1 in 50, but not 1 in 160.


Fire alarms, fire extinguishers, and flame retardant construction materials work. "House fire" doesn't mean the entire house burned to the ground while the family was asleep. You're also including small kitchen fires, garage fires, fires when people were awake. And if you include injuries, it's more like 1 person each 25 fires. Hell, the 2007 San Diego fires destroyed 1,500 houses, yet only 9 people were killed. In the 1991 Oakland fire, those numbers were 2,800 to 25.
 
2008-05-14 04:39:26 PM
jtown: I'm such a pioneer. I've been land-line free since '99. That's 1999, baby!

1994 here with a motorola bag phone. Divorce and moving from friends places for about a month and still in the apt. renting situation.

I'm 54.
 
2008-05-14 04:40:32 PM
DrKillPatient: Ruca: I'm among the 30%. Why pay for a landline? I have free nights and weekends on my cell and rarely go over my minutes. A landline would be a waste of money.

If power goes out a cheapo, standard phone (not cordless) on a landline will all in likely still work because the power for the phone line is supplied by the phone company, which has backup power, and not the power company.

/worked for ATT and Lucent a combined total of 19 years.
//really the only reason to still have a landline.


In a normal power outage (as opposed to a major Katrina style disaster), the cell towers keep operating via backup generators. In December of 2006, windstorms knocked out power to my apartment for nearly a week and my cell worked the whole time. I was even able to use it to access the website of the power company to track the progress of repairs and look up the phone numbers of local hotels when it became clear my power was going to be out for an extended period of time. I charged it up

It even worked as a flashlight in a pinch.

/Landline free since 2001.
//Slashies forever
 
2008-05-14 04:42:32 PM
jst3p: gajillion: Ruca: Why pay for a landline?

I actually like to hear who I'm talking to. Having a conversation on a cell phone is like watching movies on YouTube.

You need a better phone/carrier then. The free cell you get when you sign up is free for a reason.


I wouldn't buy a cell phone. These are all phones provided by my employer and I only carry one because I have to. My current pop-tart is a Blackberry 8700 series with AT&T as the carrier. It sucks just as bad as every Nokia/Erikson/Motorola over AT&T/Verizon/Sprint/Nextel I've ever sent or received a phone call from. When was the last time you've had to tell someone to mute their land line during a conference call because it was unintelligible?

My wife has a cell phone with the cheapest, least number of hours available from Sprint just for emergencies. It's $30 a month after all the outrageous taxes. My land line is $12. Quality, price... we have a generation of people being sold a bill of goods.
 
2008-05-14 04:42:35 PM
www.porticus.org
 
2008-05-14 04:44:46 PM
Torc: fark both of them. I dumped my land line years ago, and despise cell phones because of the delay.

I like the cut of your jib.
 
2008-05-14 04:44:52 PM
i still lease my rotary phone
 
2008-05-14 04:45:45 PM
Cellphone for both phone and Internet here. Cable's not available, and 3.6mbps via cell is enough that I don't see the point of dealing with the hassles of DSL.
 
2008-05-14 04:45:59 PM
No signal? Man, I remember when we worried abO$H5]]] [NO CARRIER]
 
2008-05-14 04:46:01 PM
gajillion: jst3p: gajillion: Ruca: Why pay for a landline?

I actually like to hear who I'm talking to. Having a conversation on a cell phone is like watching movies on YouTube.

You need a better phone/carrier then. The free cell you get when you sign up is free for a reason.

I wouldn't buy a cell phone. These are all phones provided by my employer and I only carry one because I have to. My current pop-tart is a Blackberry 8700 series with AT&T as the carrier. It sucks just as bad as every Nokia/Erikson/Motorola over AT&T/Verizon/Sprint/Nextel I've ever sent or received a phone call from. When was the last time you've had to tell someone to mute their land line during a conference call because it was unintelligible?

My wife has a cell phone with the cheapest, least number of hours available from Sprint just for emergencies. It's $30 a month after all the outrageous taxes. My land line is $12. Quality, price... we have a generation of people being sold a bill of goods.


To each their own but your comment implied that the only way to get reasonable call quality was to use a land line. My point, that you get what you pay for with cell phones still stands.

$12 a month for a land line is great, but how do you text while driving?


Sent from my Windows MobileTM device.
 
2008-05-14 04:46:21 PM
My wife, myself, and two teen daughters all have a cell phone. Who the hell needs a clunky landline?

/Who can afford one after paying for four cell lines and 2K min./mo.?
//Unlimited texting too.
 
2008-05-14 04:46:45 PM
Hawnkee: No signal? Man, I remember when we worried abO$H5]]] [NO CARRIER]

Remember roaming? "Crap, I can't make a call here, it will be like $5 a minute!"
 
2008-05-14 04:47:55 PM
Gldm: Cellphone for both phone and Internet here. Cable's not available, and 3.6mbps via cell is enough that I don't see the point of dealing with the hassles of DSL.

Curious, what hassles? I am no snob, I have had both cable and DSL. Never had any "hassles" with either.
 
2008-05-14 04:48:41 PM
dittybopper: Maybe you could. Prove to me it's a good number (you made the assertion, now back it up).


I have nothing to "prove" to you. I cited my source. If you don't like it, go take it up with the CDC. Someone else went one step further and even pulled the primary source for you. You can take that up with the NFPA.

 
2008-05-14 04:50:04 PM
damiangerous: dittybopper: How often does a fire happen? It's pretty rare. The vast majority of homes will never experience a house fire. Why should I invest in smoke detectors and fire extinguishers?
That's an incredibly stupid statement. Fires are not at all rare and smoke detectors and fire extinguishers are very cheap. According to the CDC "In 2006, fire departments responded to 412,500 home fires in the United States, which claimed the lives of 2,580 people (not including firefighters) and injured another 12,925, not including firefighters (Karter 2007)".


Dittybopper, I ran a structure fire 2 weeks ago in an apartment complex where most people didn't have smoke detectors. 1 fatality, and we were literally breaking down doors, waking up people in smoke-filled apartments who didn't know that there was a major fire. Many did not have renter's insurance either, and lost everything.
//Second three-alarm fire in our response area in 2 weeks.
//Rare, huh?
 
2008-05-14 04:50:25 PM
Interesting note: When I worked for Radio Shack about 8 years ago about once every 2 months some 30 something would come in asking for the "cheapest damn landline phone you have!"

These people usually recently started handling the finances for their elderly parents and discovered that for decades their parents had been paying a $5 a month lease fee to the phone company for their phone.


Un-farking-believable.
 
2008-05-14 04:51:25 PM
eggcouncil: Dittybopper, I ran a structure fire 2 weeks ago in an apartment complex where most people didn't have smoke detectors.

That's a pretty big lawsuit about to happen.
 
2008-05-14 04:51:46 PM
Cable intarwebs and AT&T cell service.
No need for a land line, no want for a land line.
 
2008-05-14 04:52:40 PM
One reason why I like cells and won't ever go back to land lines is that last month a huge storm hit where I live. Almost as soon as the storm hit the power went out. I was able to grab my cell phone (see above) go online and see just how bad the weather was and even watch the radar movement of the storm and it's severity.

Since that storm the chimney and meter box to my apartment have been replaced.
 
2008-05-14 04:53:59 PM
jst3p: eggcouncil: Dittybopper, I ran a structure fire 2 weeks ago in an apartment complex where most people didn't have smoke detectors.

That's a pretty big lawsuit about to happen.


You'd better believe it. I would not want to be the management company right now. Three of our guys are in the hospital right now when the floor collapsed under them and they had to bail out of the second floor window. My crew on the medic unit had to board and collar them right there on the fireground under burning balconies. Could have been a helluva lot worse.
 
2008-05-14 04:54:21 PM
jst3p $12 a month for a land line is great, but how do you text while driving?

I think texting while driving is illegal in my state (CA), as will be talking on a hand-held cell phone (while driving) come July 1st.

/if only there was a hands-free cell phone technology... ;)
 
2008-05-14 04:55:35 PM
disclaimer: i work for the telco.

reasons not to ditch a landline and only have a cell phone

I'm not going to leave my landline telephone on the subway, in a cab or at my friends house. Nor will i accidently drop it or subject it to use in a rainstorm.

I don't have to worry that my battery will die mid-call. and if it does all I have to do is pick up a different phone or hit speakerphone.

If I want a new telephone I can buy one for $10 and not have to work about promotions, contracts, paying thru the nose or worrying about buying one off ebay.

911. Nuff said. Even with E911 on cell phones, they aren't accurate enough to guarentee emergency personel will locate you. In addition if you have more people then you have cell phones and the people with cell phones aren't there, then there's no phone in the house. None at all. Maybe you have a cell phone but your live in girlfriend doesn't. Or you don't think your 14 year old should have one yet. or grandma who doesn't own one is over babysitting. What do they do in an emergency mr "I'm so happy to save a few bucks"?

reception: sometimes it sucks. a landline gives crystal clear dial tone more then 99.92% of the time. (government statistic) An-- -on't --ll me th-- -his typ- of recept--- is acc--table eith--.

I can have two or even three people on a call at the same time in my house, just pick up an extension. Can't do that on a cell phone.

Landlines don't charge you minutes for local calls 800 #s or incoming calls. I LOVE IT when I get someone who calls up to discuss their account and says "hurry up I'm on a cell phone." well who put the gun to your head and made you call from there dumbass?


Faxs require them. So do alarm systems. So do some water meter reading systems. So did those alarm things that alert you if your pipes burst.

DSL/Dialup. For those who can't get cable. You can get dry loop aka naked dsl but the service still runs over a data only [hone line, the cost of which is built into the price of the dsl, typically making it $10 more. but just because DSl is available doesn't mean dry loop is because there are more limitations.

and finally, you can get discounts of your internet and cable if you bundle the phone with it. If you compare the price of those two vs the price of all 3 the difference is often minimal.

For the record: cell phones are great, I don't have anything against them, but when I hear somebody bragging about how they have no home phone my thought is: hey you're saving money and that's great, but you're getting a shiattier service that's less reliable. So you get what you pay for.

Bonus: reverse 911 won't call you either. So when those zombie hordes are running rampant, you'll find out when they come thru your window. On a more serious note: my town calls when there's a snow emergency to tell you to get your car off the no parking during a snow event side. My neighbor didn't get the call. He got a ticket. You know why he didn't get the call? I told him that's what he gets for not having a landline

Double bonus: in a serious emergency cell phone networks are either tied up busybusybusy or actually restricted to emergency personel only. Think 9/11. So then you have squat, nada, zip ZERO.
 
2008-05-14 04:55:53 PM
eggcouncil: Dittybopper, I ran a structure fire 2 weeks ago in an apartment complex where most people didn't have smoke detectors. 1 fatality, and we were literally breaking down doors, waking up people in smoke-filled apartments who didn't know that there was a major fire. Many did not have renter's insurance either, and lost everything.

That sounds fairly negligent on both the renters' and the landlord's part. Every apartment I've ever lived in has installed and checked the smoke detectors regularly for me.
 
2008-05-14 04:56:06 PM
RE jst3p2008-05-14 04:32:57 PM
"My bet, having experience the loma prieta quake, is that most of those calls are from people around the country to the affected area seeing if loved ones are still alive."

Probably, but that still doesn't make them emergency calls. An emergency call is "Holy fark! A building just fell on my leg! Please send help!" The entire extended family of everyone in Southern California calling every time the ground shakes enough to make the news, not emergency calls. The fact is, people call because it's easy to do, for the same reason people yap endlessly while they drive or stand in line at the store or on a plane, even when the flight attendants ask them not to. Because they can, usually not because they really need to.
 
2008-05-14 04:56:35 PM
jst3p: Gldm: Cellphone for both phone and Internet here. Cable's not available, and 3.6mbps via cell is enough that I don't see the point of dealing with the hassles of DSL.

Curious, what hassles? I am no snob, I have had both cable and DSL. Never had any "hassles" with either.


Then you haven't lived anywhere a single provider has a complete monopoly.
 
2008-05-14 04:56:43 PM
StoneColdAtheist: I think texting while driving is illegal in my state (CA), as will be talking on a hand-held cell phone (while driving) come July 1st.

/if only there was a hands-free cell phone technology... ;)


If they ever invent a hands-free way to text I am all set!

/only texts at lights actually
 
2008-05-14 04:57:26 PM
Gldm: jst3p: Gldm: Cellphone for both phone and Internet here. Cable's not available, and 3.6mbps via cell is enough that I don't see the point of dealing with the hassles of DSL.

Curious, what hassles? I am no snob, I have had both cable and DSL. Never had any "hassles" with either.

Then you haven't lived anywhere a single provider has a complete monopoly.


This does not answer my question.
 
2008-05-14 04:57:45 PM
damiangerous: DrKillPatient: If it needs recharging or batteries low.

If only there were some alternate method, like some sort of charger that could use another power source, maybe from your car, or maybe even some sort of emergency battery.

//comma-tose.


I am heading to the lab now, to start development.
 
2008-05-14 04:58:44 PM
Mnemia: eggcouncil: Dittybopper, I ran a structure fire 2 weeks ago in an apartment complex where most people didn't have smoke detectors. 1 fatality, and we were literally breaking down doors, waking up people in smoke-filled apartments who didn't know that there was a major fire. Many did not have renter's insurance either, and lost everything.

That sounds fairly negligent on both the renters' and the landlord's part. Every apartment I've ever lived in has installed and checked the smoke detectors regularly for me.


Oh yes, extraordinarily bad. In fact, the apartments I've lived in would not give me a lease without renter's insurance. Goes to show you what crappy management companies are out there...
 
2008-05-14 05:00:53 PM
TMBGfreak
I have a land line now, but that's only becausse my apartmentphone jack in parent's basement gives it to me for free. I never use it, though and never intend on purchasing one.

FTFY
 
2008-05-14 05:02:13 PM
damiangerous: DrKillPatient: If it needs recharging or batteries low.
If only there were some alternate method, like some sort of charger that could use another power source, maybe from your car, or maybe even some sort of emergency battery.


yes because we all want to run out to our car mid-call and then stay there while we talk. oh, and every electrical plug is conveniently located and all cell chargers have sufficiently long enough cords that you can easily sit in a comfortable spot while you charge your phone....

as opposed to me just picking up another extension in the house.
 
2008-05-14 05:05:46 PM
I have my cell phone for my friends and family to reach me at. I'm also required to have a landline by my employer (they pay the bill, so let them waste their money if they want).

/I don't have a phone plugged into the landline jack.
 
2008-05-14 05:08:03 PM
Chutzpaw007: Mister Awesome: Yup, only a cell phone here. Cable internet/tv. Only thing I kind of regret is when I lose my phone for a day or so.

That's when you get online and IM one of your friends to call you so you can listen for the ringer and find your phone. Unless you left it on silent....or no one's online.... But still not worth keeping a landline just so you can find your phone when it falls between the couch cushions.

/in the 30%


Hah, that's exactly what I do. What a nightmare when its on silent though.
 
2008-05-14 05:08:50 PM
jerseyblogger: yes because we all want to run out to our car mid-call and then stay there while we talk.


Different people have different needs. I'm not trying to convince you to not have a land line if that's what floats your boat. I find most of the arguments against it pretty laughable though, as I'm one of the people who hasn't had a land line in years and doesn't miss it.


As for your particular quote, I don't find it hard to keep my phone charged. I don't roam around the country away from electricity for days at a time, and I don't chatter for hours on my phone. It's for necessary communication, not chit chat.

 
2008-05-14 05:09:47 PM
Get Off My Back: I have my cell phone for my friends and family to reach me at. I'm also required to have a landline by my employer (they pay the bill, so let them waste their money if they want).

Thats funny, my employer pays for my cell phone and internet (they require we have broadband), what industry are you in that they would pay for a landline?
 
2008-05-14 05:12:25 PM
jst3p: Gldm: jst3p: Gldm: Cellphone for both phone and Internet here. Cable's not available, and 3.6mbps via cell is enough that I don't see the point of dealing with the hassles of DSL.

Curious, what hassles? I am no snob, I have had both cable and DSL. Never had any "hassles" with either.

Then you haven't lived anywhere a single provider has a complete monopoly.

This does not answer my question.



Let's see... 10 month install time? Outages multiple times a day on average? Standard fee for the actual copper, then ISP fee, and then a special world-exclusive extra fee to the monopoly telecom that's not even your ISP, which scales up with the bandwidth rate you sign up for? 3GB/month cap unless you want to pay per GB and if you want anything besides port 80 to run at more than 3k/sec you get to play double per GB for an unshaped account?

Or I can just buy a prepaid SIM that gets 90% of their fastest tier speed and just pay for the data at a rate comparable to the unshaped line, which the cell also is, and ignore the ridiculously expensive extra fees. Oh and I can get it now. But I need the phone, so that costs me about $20/month and comes with something like 100 minutes (that I never even get close to using all of) and unlimited SMSes. I just swap to my prepaid data-only SIM when I wanna use it as a modem.
 
2008-05-14 05:14:32 PM
Gldm: Let's see... 10 month install time? Outages multiple times a day on average? Standard fee for the actual copper, then ISP fee, and then a special world-exclusive extra fee to the monopoly telecom that's not even your ISP, which scales up with the bandwidth rate you sign up for? 3GB/month cap unless you want to pay per GB and if you want anything besides port 80 to run at more than 3k/sec you get to play double per GB for an unshaped account?

Ahhh, you don't live in the US. You could have just said that.
 
2008-05-14 05:16:47 PM
Great Janitor: This is the cell phone that I use.

Thank you for sharing.
 
2008-05-14 05:18:12 PM
jst3p: Gldm: Let's see... 10 month install time? Outages multiple times a day on average? Standard fee for the actual copper, then ISP fee, and then a special world-exclusive extra fee to the monopoly telecom that's not even your ISP, which scales up with the bandwidth rate you sign up for? 3GB/month cap unless you want to pay per GB and if you want anything besides port 80 to run at more than 3k/sec you get to play double per GB for an unshaped account?

Ahhh, you don't live in the US. You could have just said that.


Moving back to NY in about 2 weeks though. I'll be keeping the non-locked 3.5G phone just in case the US catches up in another decade or two.

Hopefully wherever I wind up living will have cable. Or at least neighbors with insecure wireless. ;)
 
2008-05-14 05:18:59 PM
Gldm: Hopefully wherever I wind up living will have cable. Or at least neighbors with insecure wireless. ;)


In NY, that's a good bet.
 
2008-05-14 05:27:44 PM
Whenever I'm at a store where the cashier asks for your phone number before scanning your items, I always make it a note to listen to and memorize the number of the customer in front of me, and I use that when they ask for mine (this also works when you don't have your store discount card and they ask for your phone number). The cashiers are always too dumb and busy to realize what I just did.


/I'm just buying peanut butter cups, what the f*ck do they need my # for?
 
2008-05-14 05:29:12 PM
jst3p: Gldm: Hopefully wherever I wind up living will have cable. Or at least neighbors with insecure wireless. ;)


In NY, that's a good bet.


That's what this:

www.airlive.com

is for.

Why waste valuable gaming bandwidth and CPU power on downloads when you can steal someone else's with a dedicated appliance that handles its own torrents? :)
 
2008-05-14 05:33:23 PM
jerseyblogger: damiangerous: DrKillPatient: If it needs recharging or batteries low.
If only there were some alternate method, like some sort of charger that could use another power source, maybe from your car, or maybe even some sort of emergency battery.

yes because we all want to run out to our car mid-call and then stay there while we talk. oh, and every electrical plug is conveniently located and all cell chargers have sufficiently long enough cords that you can easily sit in a comfortable spot while you charge your phone....

as opposed to me just picking up another extension in the house.



AT&T makes a base station now that can work on a landline or through a cell. You put the other cordless handsets in various rooms and it all goes back to the base station and over the cell line.
 
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