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(MSNBC)   After losing the first four games of a seven-game series, Hillary crushes Obama in West Virginia, is really turning this into a race   (msnbc.msn.com) divider line 728
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2008-05-14 01:54:04 PM
Shaggy_C: It's surprising that McCain's absentee rate has actually gotten worse since he won the nomination. You would think not having to campaign heavily would give him more free time to actually do his job.

Fark no, judging by his early tangles with reporters, he has yet to fully memorize his platform. He's able to lay it out in broad strokes, but he's not familiar enough with it to answer specific questions he wasn't coached on.

Plus, one can only imagine that he's trying to raise funds like a motherfarker.
 
2008-05-14 01:54:44 PM
Shaggy_C: BojanglesPaladin: The absentee rate is in red.

It's surprising that McCain's absentee rate has actually gotten worse since he won the nomination. You would think not having to campaign heavily would give him more free time to actually do his job.


The chart only goes up to Dec 2007, before he got the nomination
 
2008-05-14 01:55:56 PM
Shaggy_C

Maybe. He's been doing a LOT of campaigning for the General election, making a special effort to reach out to people who are NOT his supporters.

I found another way to look at the comparison:

McCain has a 16% Absentee rate over 15 years (2 presidential campaigns)

Obama has a 20% Absentee rate over 3 years.

/Still looking for how many of Obama's votes are "Present, but not voting" which I understand he is prone to.
 
2008-05-14 01:57:05 PM
BrianJLG: Obama won't have 2,025 delegates - the nominating threshold established by the DNC - without the votes of "super-delegates". It would be "intellectually dishonest" to suggest otherwise.

Obama cannot be nominated unless these party insiders make it happen.


True. But they only have two options. Nominate the guy who has the majority of the pledged delegates or nominate the woman who does not. If you think for one second that the majority of Democrats would be fine with the superdelegates over-riding the pledged delegate count then you must be from West Virginia. If you are from West Virginia, then you probably didn't catch on that I just insulted you, so...I just said that you're dumb as a box of hammers.

If Obama did not have the pledged delegate lead I would not be supporting his decision to continue this and attempting to over-ride the pledged delegates vote. If I was, I might as well go the direct route and support the idea of the DNC imploding for a couple of decades.
 
2008-05-14 01:57:54 PM
fosborb: Sgeo: One. The very last post on the page. It uses the f**** p*** thing to get Time Warped to the bottom..

No points. Please raise your hand next time.

I was trying to prod MoreCowbell! in that direction. He seemed to think Hagbardr was stalking him and posting immediately after every time he posted. And while that's hilarious*, it was also very sad on a human condition sort of level.

* or "faggy," to use MoreCowbell!'s termonology.




Stay up all night on fark and see if someone can't make a fool out of you...
 
2008-05-14 01:59:21 PM
BojanglesPaladin: I'm sure there are plenty of Farkers who do not find this significant.

You got that right.
 
2008-05-14 01:59:33 PM
I_Lost_My_Other_Username: The chart only goes up to Dec 2007, before he got the nomination

D'oh...I thought they were both current. I no reed so gud.
 
2008-05-14 02:00:56 PM
BojanglesPaladin: McCain has a 16% Absentee rate over 15 years (2 presidential campaigns)

Obama has a 20% Absentee rate over 3 years.


What is the rate if you don't include time spent campaigning? I bet both are close to 0%, they're actually decent guys. If you're trying to spin this into a smear against Obama, you might have a little trouble with it.
 
2008-05-14 02:01:35 PM
BojanglesPaladin: I'm sure there are plenty of Farkers who do not find this significant.

It is significant and thanks for at least indirectly pointing me to govtrack.us. Neat site.

In Q1 of 2008, during the heaviest campaigning by all three Presidential candidates remaining, Clinton missed 44.7% of the votes, McCain missed 58.8%, and Obama missed 36.5%.

So what is significant about these values?

Despite running a national Presidential campaign, Obama still managed to show up to vote more often than the two other Senators doing the same thing he is.

That's pretty cool.
 
2008-05-14 02:01:52 PM
Edsel: That implies that she could rally to win the next three games in a row and win the series.

The next three games... of a seven game series? Five of which have already been played?
 
2008-05-14 02:03:17 PM
Lando Lincoln: If Obama did not have the pledged delegate lead I would not be supporting his decision to continue this and attempting to over-ride the pledged delegates vote. If I was, I might as well go the direct route and support the idea of the DNC imploding for a couple of decades.

In any case, after the next few races, I think we'll see that the remaining undeclared superdelegates would have to break overwhelmingly in Hillary's favour. The recent trend has been that more and more are going Obama's way. Hillary hasn't had a statistically significant chance of winning the nomination in over a month.
 
2008-05-14 02:03:29 PM
BojanglesPaladin: /Still looking for how many of Obama's votes are "Present, but not voting" which I understand he is prone to.

For the Illinois legislature, that percentage is around 3%.

I think he's had a lot less "present but not voting" votes in the Senate.
 
2008-05-14 02:04:24 PM
On behalf of my state, I am sorry. Some of us (35%) tried.

For everyone hating on WV, well, I'm sorry you feel that way.

Not all of us are backwards hillbillies.

I don't have a shrine dedicated to Dale Earnhardt.
I don't have 3 cars half assembled in my front yard.

And I voted for Obama.
 
2008-05-14 02:07:23 PM
tuxmaska: I also just wanted to add that anyone defending WV the way I've seen several people do here as not being racist either has never lived there or is a liar. blah blah blah

Odd that you seem to decry racism as beneath you, but you're willing to attribute to a whole group of people the actions of a few. Or is Columbus some magical place where there are no areas of deep-seated prejudice?

/bet you didn't know an ellipsis had a pronunciation
 
2008-05-14 02:07:35 PM
i106.photobucket.com
 
2008-05-14 02:09:15 PM
garycarroll: Paedophile_Deluxe: but I think it's reasonable for a large city like DC or NYC to try to restrict gun ownership. Nationwide or statewide gun laws can be bad, though.

The problem with this is that if you make guns illegal in a city but not illegal in the surrounding area you virtually guarantee that criminals will have all the guns they want while the law abiding citizens are unarmed... hardly the ideal outcome, I think.


That's the best that you can do, though. You're never going to be able to totally eradicate guns from a certain city or area, so you just have to hope that harsh penalties will be enough deterrence. I think the best thing (for a city like NYC or DC) is to allow at least some sort of weapon in homes, but have massive penalties for anyone who crosses their doorstep with a gun. It's not perfect either, but it at least torpedoes that whole "defenseless, innocent law-abiding homeowners being invaded" argument.
 
2008-05-14 02:09:45 PM
Mercutio74: In any case, after the next few races, I think we'll see that the remaining undeclared superdelegates would have to break overwhelmingly in Hillary's favour. The recent trend has been that more and more are going Obama's way. Hillary hasn't had a statistically significant chance of winning the nomination in over a month.

Chuck Todd was talking about this very thing this morning. Even if Hillary wins big in the remaining elections she would need about 75% of all of the superdelegates to vote for her. That's just not going to happen.
 
2008-05-14 02:14:07 PM
Shaggy_C, fosborb,Lando Lincoln

See? Now we are talking about FACTS. Sharing analysis. Much more enjoyable than binary politico thinking.

fosborb Good point. Do you think that Obama is available more than Clinton and McCain, because he has enough campaign money that he can skip some fundraising?

Shaggy_C
If you're trying to spin this into a smear against Obama...

I simply provided facts on the two most likely candidates. I do happen to think Obama is incredibly inexperienced, but presenting fact - particularly when I provide McCain's stats with them - is hardly a 'smear'.

Lando Lincoln
His 'Present, but not voting' is clear in Illinois. While low, it was still higher than many of his peers and was very noticeable on key (politically hot) legislation. I do not have the information regarding the US State Senate on how many, (if any) votes were counted as present but not voting. I'm not entirely sure such a creature exists.
 
2008-05-14 02:15:31 PM
I'd rather have a bitter somewhat socialist than a closet muslim.

/what book did he use to swear into the senate again? Yeah....
 
2008-05-14 02:15:31 PM
NarrMaster: Not all of us are backwards hillbillies.

West Virginia is a popular place to do service work for suburban churches of the surrounding states (wonder why?), and having done some service work in West Virginia, I've worked with a very small slice of the poor white folks of your state.

And from my experience its not that WV is filled with backwoods yokels. It's that the state is dotted with decaying coal mining towns. Banjos aren't being played, but holy shiat... "Economic depression" never really meant much to me until I was dry walling a rotted out shotgun shack. F*cked up situation.
 
2008-05-14 02:16:09 PM
NarrMaster: On behalf of my state, I am sorry. Some of us (35%) tried.

For everyone hating on WV, well, I'm sorry you feel that way.

Not all of us are backwards hillbillies.

I don't have a shrine dedicated to Dale Earnhardt.
I don't have 3 cars half assembled in my front yard.

And I voted for Obama.


Yes, I understand that. I'm just having some fun venting my frustrations. I'm sure your state is lovely and not all of the people living there need to be hit in the back of the head with a 2x4.
 
2008-05-14 02:18:57 PM
Shaggy_C: What is the rate if you don't include time spent campaigning? I bet both are close to 0%, they're actually decent guys. If you're trying to spin this into a smear against Obama, you might have a little trouble with it.

and how much time does Obama have in the Senate when he was NOT campaigning? He was named the next big thing immediately upon arrival, and declared candidacy PDQ.
 
2008-05-14 02:21:16 PM
GavinTheAlmighty

How it happened is irrelevant. That we could fark-up an election to the tune of 5,000,000+ votes -- for any reason -- and just shrug and let it slide is a pretty piss farking poor show of any notion of being remotely democratic.

Dems, you've come a long way, babies.

i23.photobucket.com
 
2008-05-14 02:21:38 PM
TYPES OF DEMOCRATS

The hippy- "We'd rather bend over to our enemies then have one drop of american blood shed to protect ourselves! Also, it's difficult for us to fight since we killed our remaining 3 brain cells when we dropped acid last night"

The neocommunist- "We must socialize everything so that we can enable the lazy to do nothing!"

The 'academic'-
"Global Warming is going to kill us all because there are no such things as natural meteorological cycles of the earth and anyone who disagrees works for exxon. Also, Bush planned 9/11 and is violating my imaginary civil rights to not be searched before I get on a plane".

The criminal- "I don't want to be held responsible for my actions, so let's just redefine the word 'crime'"

The gay- "There is nothing unnatural with a man putting his penis in the same place where another man shiats. Also, I think we should be allowed to marry because the definition of 'marriage' throught history has always included 'a union between two men'"

The politically correct nazi- "You can't say anything that is mean to anyone because it might hurt their feelings. Unless you are any kind of majority, then it's OK, and anyone who disagrees with us is a bigot/racist. also, affirmative action is completely fair because all white people are racist and wouldn't hire a black person unless someone forced them to"

The ghetto trash- "Mang, I'm too buzy huslin' drugz an' killin' biatches who look at me funny ta curr wut goes on in da coontry as long as I be gettin' my welfure check so I can buy dem new air force 1's and spinnin rimz"

The terrorist sympathizer- Just because I hate Israel and love the oppressive culture of arab countries doesn't mean I hate jews, I just don't think the only first world country in the middle east whose population consists of persecuted holocaust victims and their decedents has a right to exist. The Israelis are so immoral, the Palestinians are now being forced to resort to using babies to set off suicide bombs in the middle of crowded markets. It's their culture and we need to understand and tolerate that.
 
2008-05-14 02:21:42 PM
fosborb: Sgeo

Ok, why is quoting not working?

Erm, anyway, the reason I said that was because I thought you were an idiot who thought that there was no post by Hagbardr, that nopokerface made it up.. Sorry about that
 
2008-05-14 02:22:05 PM
LMAO!! +1 to submitter. The headline is priceless!!
 
2008-05-14 02:22:54 PM
Do you think that Obama is available more than Clinton and McCain, because he has enough campaign money that he can skip some fundraising?

Obama- 85 million including his PAC money. Huge. From my understanding he is saving up for flipp-able states like NM and Colorado.
 
2008-05-14 02:23:54 PM
HillbillyBubba: bighairyguy: She really counting on the hillbilly vote to put her over the top.

I'm not voting for the harpy!

/Certified hillbilly
//Republican voting for Obama
///GOBAMA!


I think you mean "I ain't"
 
2008-05-14 02:24:01 PM
Y'know, the combination of the posters who got whooshed by the headline, and the posters who were confused/freaked by what Hagbardr did makes this thread full of win.

/but not Epic Win; if it had that I'd have posted some sort of macro...
 
2008-05-14 02:26:51 PM
randomjsa: I particularly enjoy how the same Obama-idiots mocked Hillary for proclaiming certain states "Don't Matter" are now turning around to say that certain states "Don't Matter" when Obama loses them to her.

There's a big difference, she did that at the beginning of the race when everything was up in the air. Now that it's winding down, we know what the trends are and the math about what is left is much easier to do. While I don't like saying states "don't matter", it's safe to say they won't change the outcome.

It's still possible for him to lose, it's just highly unlikely. Using the same predictions that foresaw Hillary taking WV weeks ago.
 
2008-05-14 02:26:55 PM
BojanglesPaladin: His 'Present, but not voting' is clear in Illinois. While low, it was still higher than many of his peers and was very noticeable on key (politically hot) legislation. I do not have the information regarding the US State Senate on how many, (if any) votes were counted as present but not voting. I'm not entirely sure such a creature exists.

The painting of his "present but not voting" record in the Illinois legislature as avoiding hot-topic issues is not true, for the most part. Yes, some of those votes were politically advantageous for him to avoid. But for the majority of those votes he did not vote on them for good reasons. MSNBC or CNN did a video report on the details on this topic. I can't find the link right now, but it was a good video piece about it.
 
2008-05-14 02:27:32 PM
xen0blue: TYPES OF DEMOCRATS

You forgot one -

Effete Latte Sipper - "I think I will drive my brand new hybrid vehicle to the local Starbucks and work on my important project for my multinational corporation. My salary has me making more than 75% of Americans so much I think I'll splurge and have two Chais today."
 
2008-05-14 02:27:52 PM
Hagbardr: I'm posting from the future. Hillary flashed her Boobies live on TV today.

i124.photobucket.com
 
2008-05-14 02:28:14 PM
hyperbowlingball: Obama supporter here.

Race is a factor. It just is. WV didn't vote 65 percent Hillary just because she has better policy. Barack didn't win inner-cities just because he has better policy.

I don't think that the focus of the race should be race. But it is a factor. Do I think it gives Barack any more or less of an advantage than Hillary? No.

Please don't pretend there is no racism in this country. It exists and comes in all flavors. Anytime you're more concerned with a candidate's skin than his or her policies, that's racism, regardless of if the candidate is black, white, or purple.

In other words, Hillary has suffered some of the effects of racism, too, though we don't call it that because she's not a minority.

That said, I'm voting for Barack for many reasons, most having to do with his policies. One of them, though, is that I think it's high time that somebody a little more diverse than a "frumpy old white man" gets elected as leader of the free world. I guess that makes me a racist.

/white


You just said a leader shouldn't be chosen on their race and you then contradicted yourself by saying someone 'more diverse' 'frumpy old white man' should be elected president?

Whenever someone uses 'diversity' as an excuse for anything, I cringe because I know Political Correctness has completely destroyed our country
 
2008-05-14 02:28:45 PM
xen0blue
The gay- "There is nothing unnatural with a man putting his penis in the same place where another man shiats.

It's considered perfectly natural to put your penis in the same place a woman shiats and expect her to clean it off in the same place she eats, so apart from getting a titter out of doodie, what's your point?
 
2008-05-14 02:29:28 PM
purple helmet: I'd rather have a bitter somewhat socialist than a closet muslim.

/what book did he use to swear into the senate again? Yeah....


That would be the Bible. You're an idiot whether you knew that or not.
 
2008-05-14 02:30:00 PM
xen0blue: TYPES OF DEMOCRATS

What I find really funny about that post is that the content is so lame, no one even bothered to get pissed off about it. If you can't get a nibble on Fark, your troll-bait is really weak.
 
2008-05-14 02:30:04 PM
Edsel: Digitalstrange: Read it again Edsel. 4 games in a 7 game series is a done series. Theres would be no point in a game 5.

*note to self: don't post before morning coffee


I lol'ed.
 
2008-05-14 02:31:58 PM
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2008-05-14 02:32:32 PM
Donald_McRonald: Explain how. Feel free to ignore this link.

The guy at that link is confused. Sure, it's almost certain that the Democratic nominee who wins the WV primary will be the candidate in the general election (which would be a necessary precondition for them to win in that) since they vote so late in the primary process, but that's not the argument that's being made here.

The point is that no Democrat has won the overall general election without winning WV (also in the general election) since 1916.

Obama's blowout there in the primary indicates a possible weakness in his chances to carry that state (and potentially other swing states) in the general election.
 
2008-05-14 02:36:28 PM
subby: After losing the first four games of a seven-game series, Hillary crushes Obama in West Virginia, is really turning this into a race

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2008-05-14 02:36:28 PM
It's considered perfectly natural to put your penis in the same place a woman shiats

There are plenty of women who would disagree.
 
2008-05-14 02:37:52 PM
POOP THREAD!


Kismet! I just wolfed down a bag of Peanut M&M's.
 
2008-05-14 02:38:21 PM
Shaggy_C: xen0blue: TYPES OF DEMOCRATS

You forgot one -

Effete Latte Sipper - "I think I will drive my brand new hybrid vehicle to the local Starbucks and work on my important project for my multinational corporation. My salary has me making more than 75% of Americans so much I think I'll splurge and have two Chais today."


I was *JUST* going to add that before I posted that but I changed my mind at the last second...it's like you read my mind
 
2008-05-14 02:40:08 PM
mvfreeman: It's considered perfectly natural to put your penis in the same place a woman shiats

There are plenty of women who would disagree.


All women like anal. Some don't know it yet.

/ I kid.
// On the Square.
 
2008-05-14 02:40:40 PM
i268.photobucket.com
 
2008-05-14 02:43:28 PM
wrffr: The point is that no Democrat has won the overall general election without winning WV (also in the general election) since 1916.

So is that to imply that WV has magical powers or that WV is a wholly accurate barometer of the way the country votes? Also, I think you overestimate the value of WV as Jimmy Carter DID win it when he faced off against Reagan, but didn't win much else.

In any case, it's fun to bring out statistical chestnuts like they one you've done here, but I think it'd be pretty weak political thinking for the superdelegates to give this any weight in their decision.
 
2008-05-14 02:44:46 PM
All women like anal. Some don't know it yet.

My wife didn't like anal until she realized diamond rings come from there.
 
2008-05-14 02:46:12 PM
purple helmet:

/what book did he use to swear into the senate again? Yeah....


you tell me genius.

wow
 
2008-05-14 02:47:40 PM
Mercutio74: xen0blue: TYPES OF DEMOCRATS

What I find really funny about that post is that the content is so lame, no one even bothered to get pissed off about it. If you can't get a nibble on Fark, your troll-bait is really weak.


Not any lamer than this. (pops)

/it's alway easier to paint with a broad brush
 
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