Clinton is like a tick that has been attached too long. You have to squish it to remove it, and you may end up with a nasty infection that never goes away. (new window)

This one is gonna end up in court, and some Justice is gonna decide who loses to Mccain in November.

What fun!

Hang On Voltaire: bline21:

He didn't even campaign in WV...he was in the states that are coming up campaigning there instead.

He is the presumptive nominee and he by almost 70 TO 30!.

He still got 8 delegates there!!

Clinton = FAIL

Tyee: Hillary is really good with stupid, racist, rural, bitter, white people?

This is impressive. Obama has time to Fark during a campaign.

StillH2O: And to you, WV: As a mostly lifelong "red state" resident, I'm not a location snob, and I tend not to believe stereotypes about states, or at least to realize they don't apply to everyone. You, WV, are making this very very hard for me.

It's not like its some big secret that the uneducated, poor rural white voter has been propping Hildog up for some time now. See also: Ohio, Indiana and Tennessee. Maybe this year is the first time we see the redneck bloc not really matter for much, but I doubt it.

Hang On Voltaire: He is the presumptive nominee and he by almost 70 TO 30!.

I seem to remember McSame getting beat by Huckabee a few times after he clinched the nom on super tuesday. Thanks for your 'concern' though.

Hobodeluxe: Obama built his 179 Delegate lead on much larger victories than Hillary's 33% Victory last night in West Virginia, Home to 5 Electoral Votes... Let's Recap the Scoreboard.


Kansas (6 EV)
Obama 74%
Clinton 26%
Obama +48%

Nebraska (5 EV)
Obama 68%
Clinton 32%
Obama +36%

Tyee Hillary is really good with stupid, racist, rural, bitter, white people? I think he'll ignore it and it will go away lose.

IdBeCrazyIf: Sofa King Awesome: In other words, morans.

You've got to remember that these are just simple farmers. These are people of the land. The common clay of America.

...ya you're right. Morans

Ah yes, another common "fact"....oh wait not a real fact
Link (new window)

14.5% of WV are farmers compared to the National average of 14.3%. Nice work.

/Now who is the Moran?

Hang On Voltaire: bline21:

He didn't even campaign in WV...he was in the states that are coming up campaigning there instead.

He is the presumptive nominee and he by almost 70 TO 30!.

He is but she's still in it. Huckabee has dropped out and endorsed McCain and him and RP took a large chunk off McCain in a recent primary IIRC.

I Said:

Spin: we expected to lose, didn't campaign much there (he wasn't in WV yesterday), the demographics heavily favored her, Obama has won other states by large margins.

Reality: demographics heavily favored her, a tremendous amount of voters claimed race as a deciding factor (and I think of those 85% broke for Clinton), and people stay home when they're sure their side won. That's one reason why all candidates try to paint themselves as viable underdogs.

McCain still trounced Huckabee long after he got the nomination.

icy_one: Hillary is getting 2/3 of the 28 pledged. 7 supers have gone Obama. Thanks for playing.

Wow the democrat super delegate thing is really fair and democratic isn't it. I think they should change the name of the party to something more accurate like "super-del-a-ga-lishious". The common vote really doesn't matter to them.

Shaggy_C:
I seem to remember McSame getting beat by Huckabee a few times after he clinched the nom on super tuesday. Thanks for your 'concern' though.

What states? 70-30?

fireclown: Am I the only one who loves this drama? Why is there the assumption that a campaign has to be a nice, tidy lovefest?

As to running mates, Edwards. Clinton/Obama 08 would be suicide. Too much internal compitition, acrimony and bad associations from the primaries. Edwards got a bunch 'o votes, is well spoken, liked within the party, and is strong in the south where Clinton and Obama are weaker.

Edwards isn't bad, but either might do better with Strickland from Ohio. He's got serious rural appeal which could help in the Midwest and Plains. Edwards still has a bit of elitist sticking to him.

I'm wondering if Barr as Libertarian could play Nader to McCain's Gore. Seems unlikely, but...

Electorate was 95 percent white

Sorry, West Virginia, but this is why there is a complete lack of surprise on my face.

/cue the That's Racist kid?

llDuffManll: I would like to see:


VS

Wouldn't work - Hillary has burned all of her bridges with Obama. If she were to then try to be his VP, after saying he's basically unqualified, that move would be seen as even too calculating to all except for the "I voted for vajajay" crowd.

The McCain/Rice pairing, however, might be a huge win for them. Also a bit calculating, but Rice >> Clinton. So, in terms of straight math, it would help to drive some of the vajajay vote towards McCain as well as the minority vote. Not to mention the minority vajajay vote.

Obama'd have a hell of a time trying to overcome that.

Hang On Voltaire: McCain still trounced Huckabee long after he got the nomination.

I should hope so, but I don't see your point. McCain beat huckabee after the race ended?

Remember, Hillary is technically still running and certainly still campaigning.

Tyee: Wow the democrat super delegate thing is really fair and democratic isn't it. I think they should change the name of the party to something more accurate like "super-del-a-ga-lishious". The common vote really doesn't matter to them.

I'd be fine with renaming them both. Let's hear it for the "Excessive Government Party" and the "Ignorance, Selfishness, and Religion Party"!

Masterstuff: Keep on hoping and dreaming, but I don't have that much faith in the super-delegates either.



It's not even noon and two have already gone for Obama today.

Hang On Voltaire: What states? 70-30?

Considering even on Super Tuesday McCain was winning states with 34% of the vote, I'm going to consider your point moot. Now please, say something else obtuse. I dare you.

Shaggy_C I'd be fine with renaming them both. Let's hear it for the "Excessive Government Party" and the "Ignorance, Selfishness, and Religion Party"!

I refer to them as the Nanny party and the Panzy party.

I Said:

I should hope so, but I don't see your point. McCain beat huckabee after the race ended?

Remember, Hillary is technically still running and certainly still campaigning.

and I am referring to the time between Super Tuesday and when Huckabee dropped out. Obama is going to be the nominee. He should be getting at least 50% of the vote in every primary.

Though I probably shouldn't be, I'm astonished that the majority of W.Va. Dems still think the Gas Tax 'holiday' is a great idea and that Obama agrees with Wright's more idiotic comments.

WTF, why do people allow themselves to be manipulated so easily year after year after year? A little research on the side never hurt anyone, folks.

/Also obligatory

Donald_McRonald: Masterstuff: Keep on hoping and dreaming, but I don't have that much faith in the super-delegates either.



It's not even noon and two have already gone for Obama today.

They'll continue to. I'm pretty sure they have a few who are committed behind closed doors, and are announcing endorsements at the most politically opportune times for the Obama campaign.

Tyee: Wow the democrat super delegate thing is really fair and democratic isn't it. I think they should change the name of the party to something more accurate like "super-del-a-ga-lishious". The common vote really doesn't matter to them.

Its funny that no one complained about this system until their candidate of choice comes across as disadvantaged because their senior strategy advisor was not aware of the rules of the game.

Goalposts, move back 10 more yards!

MDGeist: Yes idrow, I truly believe if people used less gas it would be beneficial to all. See as much as you cry that the government isn't helping, neither are you unless you cut back on using it.

Also no more gloating about how oil friendly you are, I don't believe it so you can just stop.

Ok, you got me. I drive a Hummer that gets 2 hwy, 1 city and drive around all day for no good reason. Come on, now.

I haven't even turned on my heat in my house in over 4 years - my hub goes around to landscapers all summer and brings home wood to heat the house for the winter. By the time we wake up in the morning, we can see our breath, but get the fire going quickly. It's a small price to pay for not using the furnace.

Quel: At 5 days a week driving, gas at $3.70/gallon and 38 mpg, thats a 40 mile commute each way to work. Thats a long commute.

Actually, it's 44 each way. It used to be 65 each way, but I got a job closer to home.

/Scion xA
//Great on gas

bighairyguy: She really counting on the hillbilly vote to put her over the top.

I'm not voting for the harpy!

/Certified hillbilly
//Republican voting for Obama
///GOBAMA!

Hang On Voltaire:
and I am referring to the time between Super Tuesday and when Huckabee dropped out. Obama is going to be the nominee. He should be getting at least 50% of the vote in every primary.

In what reality is this logic based?

llDuffManll: I would like to see:


VS

CAGE MATCH!

A black guy, a woman, or a kook.

I thought Ron Paul was out?

Shaggy_C:

Considering even on Super Tuesday McCain was winning states with 34% of the vote, I'm going to consider your point moot. Now please, say something else obtuse. I dare you.

I am referring to the time between when McCain had the race all sewn up and when Huckabee dropped out. That is where Obama is right now. The closest comparison would be Kansas but that was a Caucus. You can ignore the signal from last night all you want but it is there. Obama is going to get killed in Nov in the swing states.

I have yet to see any of the questions asked to back up these racial statements. It's a worthless stat without seeing the question asked. All i've seen is this media-hyped result.

Q: Did Obama's pastor's racial comments impact you even a little?
A: eh, maybe for a minute
Result: Race was a deciding factor

Q: Did you know Obama was black?
A: Yes
Q: Did you vote for him?
A: No
Result: Race was a deciding factor.

Q: Did you not vote for O because he's black
A: Yes
Result: Race was a deciding factor.

HillbillyBubba I'm not voting for the harpy!

/Certified hillbilly
//Republican voting for Obama
///GOBAMA!

You are not a republican. Stop with the bullshiat.

icy_one:

In what reality is this logic based?

History

MFL: I refer to them as the Nanny party and the Panzy party.

Nanny gives the dems too much credit. They would have to be effective in their administration of social programs before we could talk about them being a nanny. They're more like an alcoholic mother. They mean well, sure, but they're really not doing a great job of parenting because they're too hopped up on the sauce.

And panzy? I think "liars" would be more appropriate. It takes bravery to tell the truth, but I don't think 'panzy'
gets the point across well enough.

fenrael23: CBR ME ASAP: Tor_Eckman: Spanky_McFarksalot: randomjsa: mocked Hillary for proclaiming certain states "Don't Matter" are now turning around to say that certain states "Don't Matter" when Obama loses them to her

I was thinking that too. Trying to brand states that don't vote for him as racist rednecks is pretty pathetic too.

Not if it's factual. Ever been to WV?

Yes I have, and you're an idiot.

Why is this jackass still Senator?

Senator Byrd (D-WV)

The use of the word factual in this case implies that there is a fact that proves that all of WV is redneck racists. This fact, please show me it.

I'm sure there are a lot of redneck racists in WV, just like every other state. Doesn't mean the whole state is.

Hang On Voltaire: icy_one:

In what reality is this logic based?

History

Please explain the logic where the leader of a nomination race is required and expected to get 50%+ of all remaining states.

sage37: WTF, why do people allow themselves to be manipulated so easily year after year after year? A little research on the side never hurt anyone, folks.

It's WV...I dated a chick who lived there. That state is the absolute embarrassment of the United States, to be sure. Great sex though!

Know who else won W.V.?



Clinton and Huckabee should form a new party called "Crazy ex-Arkansas Governors That Were Runners Up in the 2008 Election".

I drive a small car that gets 38 mph...

I DO hope you keep that thing in the far right lane.

Shaggy_C Nanny gives the dems too much credit. They would have to be effective in their administration of social programs before we could talk about them being a nanny. They're more like an alcoholic mother. They mean well, sure, but they're really not doing a great job of parenting because they're too hopped up on the sauce.

And panzy? I think "liars" would be more appropriate. It takes bravery to tell the truth, but I don't think 'panzy'
gets the point across well enough.

Well it rhymes...that ought to count for something.

I women hold a grudge because a woman who lost didn't get it handed over to her... if they vote McCain...I hope they all go sign up for duty Iraq and shut their mouths when the Supreme Court gets taken over by ring-winged nut jobs. Kiss you right goodbye then.

I voted for Hillary. If I were voting how, after how low she has gone to win at all costs...I'd vote differently. Still I'll vote Democrat even if its raining fire that day in November. I hope Hillary supporters grow the fark up by that time and see really what's at stake. Obama is a good guy. Hes better than your other choice. You stay home...YOU"RE GUILTY TOO!

Hang On Voltaire: and I am referring to the time between Super Tuesday and when Huckabee dropped out. Obama is going to be the nominee. He should be getting at least 50% of the vote in every primary.

Hardly for three reasons.

1) completely different dynamic. Hillary is campaigning hard. Huckabee was holding speaking engagements in the Carribean. He was much more attached to reality and didn't viciously attack McCain because he knew it was over, despite his "aw shucks I'm praying for a win" demeanor.

2) Race v. Gender. It's an issue. Especially with older folks. Especially with older dems, the holdovers from when dems were still for segregation.

3) Clinton. The name carries a lot of weight with primary voters. Not true with Huckabee.

MFL: HillbillyBubba I'm not voting for the harpy!

/Certified hillbilly
//Republican voting for Obama
///GOBAMA!

You are not a republican. Stop with the bullshiat.

No Republican could possibly like Obama!

www.republicansforobama.org

Why Republicans Like Obama

When Republicans Endorse Obama

I travelled a couple of years ago through the States on a two-month road trip with two friends of mine -- one white, one brown.

Now we didn't hit the deep south, except for Texas (and even there we were mostly in Austin), but West Virginia was the easy winner in the category of Most Racist State. I mean, even stopping for gas and paying with a credit card he was asked for 'some other i.d.' twice.

This is because my brown friend's name is Josh Martin, and nobody in WV thought that a brown man could have that kind of name. Abdullah must have stolen a white man's wallet!!!

So yeah ... not surprised at all. It was an eye-opening experience to travel through some of your country with a person of colour. The racist runs kinda dep in some places.

Cyborg77: Clinton and Huckabee should form a new party called "Crazy ex-Arkansas Governors That Were Runners Up in the 2008 Election".

And what would Hillary do (Besides the clap clap point point)?

where did Hillary get the nickname 'The Pig'...?

Hang On Voltaire: I am referring to the time between when McCain had the race all sewn up and when Huckabee dropped out. That is where Obama is right now. The closest comparison would be Kansas but that was a Caucus. You can ignore the signal from last night all you want but it is there. Obama is going to get killed in Nov in the swing states.

If you were ever correct about anything, ever, I might be concerned.

sage37: Though I probably shouldn't be, I'm astonished that the majority of W.Va. Dems still think the Gas Tax 'holiday' is a great idea and that Obama agrees with Wright's more idiotic comments.

WTF, why do people allow themselves to be manipulated so easily year after year after year? A little research on the side never hurt anyone, folks.

A little research concluded that for 20 years Obama supported Wright's more idiotic comments, both financially and by sitting in the pew.

CBR ME ASAP: /Now who is the Moran?

You since you failed to recognize a Blazzing Saddles (new window) quote