haikupoet: a Chick tract like this (pops)

LOL that's my new favorite chick tract. Many (not all) protestants' favorite excuse for being greedy jerks. The rest of us are just "wasting our time."

sparticle:
You make a lot more enemies than friends for Jesus when you hatefully attack people. You may be the only Bible some folks ever read. For all you know, there may be people who are undecided about Christianity who hear you lash out with anger and calumny and decide they want nothing to do with Jesus at all, if you're one of his proponents. I wouldn't want that on my record come Judgment Day.

Some "fisher of men" you are -- with 'friends' like you, Jesus is pretty much guaranteed a steady supply of enemies.


Amen. This is why I usually keep my faith to myself. All these diehards claiming to represent Christianity act more like the Pharisees described in the bible than Jesus and I, like the non-religious types they continue to ostracize, want nothing to do with them.


//Believer who claims no denomination
//Disgusted with how the modern church makes enemies of everyone
//Oh yeah, believes in aliens too...sure, why not? :-)

TruBluBaptist: For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables

And how exactly do you know that isn't referring to Baptists?

And Jesus said to him, "Blessed are you, Simon Barjona, because flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but My Father who is in heaven. 18 I also say to you that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church; and the gates of Hades will not overpower it. 19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; and whatever you bind on earth shall have been bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall have been loosed in heaven."

Sorry, but it looks like the Church has been given the authority to determine quite a bit. Also, you may want to read up a bit on Apostolic Succession before throwing such claims around.

Dammit, I wanted this to be an alien thread, not a Catholic thread!
From the article in the SFGate:
~The Bible "is not a science book," Funes said, adding that he believes the Big Bang theory is the most "reasonable" explanation for the creation of the universe. The theory says the universe began billions of years ago in the explosion of a single, super-dense point that contained all matter.

But he said he continues to believe that "God is the creator of the universe and that we are not the result of chance."~

So, its sounds like the Vatican's official astronomer is an intelligent, well educated man. He's not denying science, evolution, or Darwin. He's on science's side folks! And he is saying that Aliens are likely to exist. Don't you see the ramifications of that? If millions of Catholics around the world accept this, maybe we can finally realize that "We are Not Alone". I've got a few hours to kill, anyone want to debate about the existence of Extra Terrestrials?

Also from the SFGate Article:

~The Vatican Observatory has been at the forefront of efforts to bridge the gap between religion and science. Its scientist-clerics have generated top-notch research and its meteorite collection is considered one of the world's best.~

And you know the Vatican is freaking rich, too, right? They probably have top secret info being held by Top Men. Who? Top...Men.

I'm God and I'm really getting a kick out of these replies.

brantgoose: the Sons of El

Kal-el?

I'm a deist, and I've discovered that talking to religious people just further cements me into it, not talks me into something else.

After all, I HAVE to believe in a god to be truly annoyed at the farker.

I also believe the best proof of intelligence out there is they've left us alone so far, as far as we can tell. Good on them.

/tolerates all gods beyond Xenu
//tolerates the Xtian god less and less
///would like to meet the fallen angel we call Satan (Morningstar?)

No takers, huh? You guys are lame.

brantgoose: Jose628: The Pope should be excomunicated.

The Bible says it clearly: 7 days, Adam and Eve. Where's your alien now?

It also says that grass was made the day before the Sun, the Moon and the stars. This made sense when Tuesday was the day of Mars (good of war and pastures) and Wednesday was the day of Mercury, god of scribes, astrologers, astronomers, and the Heavens. Not so much so after you've chucked astrology out of astronomy. What amazes me is that the RC Church moved the days of creation when it moved the Sabbath to Sunday.

That last bit is a bit much.
I have a friend who believes that too, he's a 7th Day'er, and sincerely believes that the rest of us endanger our souls because we keep (or not) the WRONG Sabbath.

The problem is, that there's no known rock-wall where someone's been scratching off the days since Creation. Even if you believe in a 6,000 year-old Earth, there's no logical and somewhat weak biblical backing for the idea that every Saturday is X days past creation, X being evenly divisible by 7.

"4. Remember the Sabbath Day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: for in six days the LORD made heaven and Earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath Day, and hallowed it."

Most Christian theologians have taken that as instruction to keep A (holy) day of rest, rather than instruction to do that AND "set your watches, start counting at the mark.....mark:". As shown by the fact that very few Christian sects object to a Sunday Sabbath. (An early religious instructor told me (as a Catholic school boy) the change from Saturday to Sunday was made on purpose to differentiate those following early Christianity from their Jewish neighbors - who didn't.)

The problem is similar to the question of "which day is Christmas?".
Prior to Moses, the Jews had no particular reason to mark off the weeks.
Prior to centuries after 0 AD, no one kept particular notice of Christ's birthday either.

//And of course if you DON'T believe in a 6,000 year-old Earth,
//the question becomes moot since amoebas didn't keep calendars and, again,
//there's nothing I know of in scripture to correspond to a divine command
//to start the calendar week...NOW!!!

Assuming "Sunday" is the day of rest, would it not be the Sunday that is in Israel? meaning that depending where you are on the rest of the world it world be different.

Article, nice to know they are trying to have an open mind (or else they already know)

Ringshadow: /tolerates all gods beyond Xenu

Xenu's not a god - Xenu's the Emperor Palpatine in L. Ron's pulp fiction space opera.

idrow: Some faithful Catholics believe that the book of Genesis describes word for word what happened when God made creation.

Some faithful Catholics believe all kinds of shiat, there are a billion of us. There are Mexican Catholics that burn offerings to the saints.

What does this have to do with the Church's position on creationism, which is so easy to find out about? I am not a tough guy, I am a regular guy that is sick of unfounded and ridiculous misconceptions about one of the largest and most accessible religions in the world.

"The only thing wrong with the Baptists is that they don't hold them under the water long enough."

Instant Karma: Pardon me while I channel some Queensryche...



I'd take her on the altar like a sacrifice.

Mindcrime represent, yo!

/Mary was more than a whore

Winterstar: mtsofthemoon: do scientologists say hail xenu instead of hail mary after confession?

No. Xenu's the intergalactic bad guy in their mythos...like an alien Satan causing the inhabitants of Earth...excuse me, Teegeeack...to suffer.

I wonder if there is a Xenuist sect, somewhat akin to the Satanist beliefs that sprung from opposition to the judeo-christian cannon...

I'd like to contribute to this thread, but I'll need to consult with the Vatican before I form an opinion."

"Funes said science, especially astronomy, does not contradict religion..."



Galileo needs a hug.