Catholics don't believe in God. Their Church is a mafia like clan that spreads false dogma and encourages people to lead secular lives. They distort Christianity. The Bible tells me how to live my life, not some wacko, alien seeing, child molesting homosexual priest.

Save us all if the Church of Scientology and the Catholic Church merge.

/good thing it's early, I can find something to stave off the nightmares

I guess the Pope needs the extra cash these days.

fgsfds

I lol'd

TruBluBaptist: Catholics don't believe in God. Their Church is a mafia like clan that spreads false dogma and encourages people to lead secular lives. They distort Christianity. The Bible tells me how to live my life, not some wacko, alien seeing, child molesting homosexual priest.

That was creepy as hell.

Osvcat: Who wrote your bible?

Steve, but he didn't get credit for it.

do scientologists say hail xenu instead of hail mary after confession?

My brother is an extraterrestrial, so I'm getting a kick out of these replies.

WOW! The end is near. Common sense from a church.

Life imitates South Park.

Approves

Burn him at the stake!

TruBluBaptist: Catholics don't believe in God. Their Church is a mafia like clan that spreads false dogma and encourages people to lead secular lives. They distort Christianity. The Bible tells me how to live my life, not some wacko, alien seeing, child molesting homosexual priest.

3/10

Better effort but still needs work.

TruBluBaptist:

Oh, and here are some hyphens for you.

- - - -

Use 'em.

I went to pop-up hell when I visited that site. Holy smokes!

the church is finally admitting what we all knew...

Someone please post the pic of Tom Cruise going Palpatine on Oprah. Funny stuff.

The Pope should be excomunicated.

The Bible says it clearly: 7 days, Adam and Eve. Where's your alien now?

TruBluBaptist: Catholics don't believe in God. Their Church is a mafia like clan that spreads false dogma and encourages people to lead secular lives. They distort Christianity. The Bible tells me how to live my life, not some wacko, alien seeing, child molesting homosexual priest.

Pastor Hagee ? Is that you ?

but then again, or the Movementarian protesters even scarier than they are?? (click for bigger, if you want)



look at them, exploiting that lil kid.

TruBluBaptist: Catholics don't believe in God. Their Church is a mafia like clan that spreads false dogma and encourages people to lead secular lives. They distort Christianity. The Bible tells me how to live my life, not some wacko, alien seeing, child molesting homosexual priest.

Ooooh...A little too judgmental for Jesus' tastes. Looks like you'll be stuck here for the Rapture. Sorry, man.

/Still, credit where credit is due is hereby issued. 7/10

TruBluBaptist: Catholics don't believe in God. Their Church is a mafia like clan that spreads false dogma and encourages people to lead secular lives. They distort Christianity. The Bible tells me how to live my life, not some wacko, alien seeing, child molesting homosexual priest.

You do realize it is not polite to talk about your imaginary friends in public among other adults right?

I'm sure I'm not alone in wishing I could live my life like the bible. All the raping and murdering sure sound more exciting than a desk job.

TruBluBaptist: Catholics don't believe in God. Their Church is a mafia like clan that spreads false dogma and encourages people to lead secular lives. They distort Christianity. The Bible tells me how to live my life, not some wacko, alien seeing, child molesting homosexual priest.

Nothing, and I do mean NOTHING, is more comical to me than a Baptist calling a Catholic crazy. And who pray tell, would have protected the concept of Christ, and translated/perpetuated the Bible for your religion until your brand of wacko formed in the 17th century...? :D

Catholics and Baptists seem similar to me. Esp. how they treat their womyn.

The Catholic church didn't recognize that the Earth rotated around the sun until 1994.

Let me get this straight...belief in aliens is ok, but believing that there were dinosaurs 150 million years ago, backed up by overwhelming and obvious scientific proof, is not. Yep, makes perfect sense.

/Ack
//No patience for their nonsense

Instant Karma: I'm sure I'm not alone in wishing I could live my life like the bible. All the raping and murdering sure sound more exciting than a desk job.

I didn't so much like the latter part of the book which is more like all preachy talking, than fighting and the old in-out. I liked the parts where these old yahoodies tolchock each other and then drink their Hebrew vino and, then getting on to the bed with their wives' handmaidens.

RidersOfLohan: but then again, or the Movementarian protesters even scarier than they are?? (click for bigger, if you want)



look at them, exploiting that lil kid.

Yeah, well, SPs like me know why those guys are hiding their identity. And the kid probably was followed. Take a look at some of the XenuTV documentaries.

Pollexabator: TruBluBaptist: Catholics don't believe in God. Their Church is a mafia like clan that spreads false dogma and encourages people to lead secular lives. They distort Christianity. The Bible tells me how to live my life, not some wacko, alien seeing, child molesting homosexual priest.

Nothing, and I do mean NOTHING, is more comical to me than a Baptist calling a Catholic crazy. And who pray tell, would have protected the concept of Christ, and translated/perpetuated the Bible for your religion until your brand of wacko formed in the 17th century...? :D

No don't he's going to whip up some tale of true teaching being passed down from the apostles to different oppressed groups throughout church history. Which in the end, amounts to nothing but apostolic succession through heretics...

Give me something. (new window)

Link (new window) of the proof.

TruBluBaptist: Catholics don't believe in God

How much of your education and background has prepared you to be so informed on what Catholics believe?

Next question:
How many Baptists would there be without Catholicism?

Counter_Intelligent: Unlike Scott, who's a dick.

Scott was fine until he got married.

TruBluBaptist: Catholics don't believe in God. Their Church is a mafia like clan that spreads false dogma and encourages people to lead secular lives. They distort Christianity. The Bible tells me how to live my life, not some wacko, alien seeing, child molesting homosexual priest.

That's some nice trolling there Lou.

MCStymie: TruBluBaptist: Catholics don't believe in God. Their Church is a mafia like clan that spreads false dogma and encourages people to lead secular lives. They distort Christianity. The Bible tells me how to live my life, not some wacko, alien seeing, child molesting homosexual priest.

Ooooh...A little too judgmental for Jesus' tastes. Looks like you'll be stuck here for the Rapture. Sorry, man.

/Still, credit where credit is due is hereby issued. 7/10

Catholics don't buy that Rapture nonsense. Sure, we believe in the End of Days and the teachings of Revelations, but not the version of it that the fundementalist Christians believe in.

We don't know how it will go down, and that's half the fun.

We also don't believe in Trolls.

Pollexabator: 17th century

Try 19th. The Baptists owe the Catholics so much, it makes it all the more ironic that they hate us so much. Have fun with your grape juice, losers.

idrow: Let me get this straight...belief in aliens is ok, but believing that there were dinosaurs 150 million years ago, backed up by overwhelming and obvious scientific proof, is not. Yep, makes perfect sense.

/Ack
//No patience for their nonsense

Actually Catholics have been on the correct side of the evolution "debate" for years now. There aren't any creationist Catholics (or at least, if there are, they're not in line with what the vatican says).

This perspective recycled from yesterday (pops)

idrow: Let me get this straight...belief in aliens is ok, but believing that there were dinosaurs 150 million years ago, backed up by overwhelming and obvious scientific proof, is not. Yep, makes perfect sense.

Actually, Catholics are not against evolution. The church lets individuals follow their own consciences on that one.

*rotates*

/talking in past tense for some reason

The Bible Rich loud-mouthed fundie hypocrites waving Bibles that they've never read tell me how to live my life, not some wacko, alien seeing, child molesting homosexual priest.


FTFY

Also, your troll-fu is weak today.

BravadoGT: The Vatican has had one of the most sophisticated astronomical programs in the world for centuries...

see, e.g. VATT

From their webpage: "current research on Galileo & Copernican controversies"

Controvorsies. LOL.

diesel3: This perspective recycled from yesterday

Bastard. Identify SuperDeluxe links.

idrow: Let me get this straight...belief in aliens is ok, but believing that there were dinosaurs 150 million years ago, backed up by overwhelming and obvious scientific proof, is not. Yep, makes perfect sense.

/Ack
//No patience for their nonsense

At least with the last pope, the church was fine with evolution. I haven't paid much attention to newpope.

/remember kids.. he died for your anal probes!

This isn't new, I was taught as a kid out of an old 1950s-60s Catholic Catechism book by my parents and they said it was feasible for aliens to exist and cool to believe that. *shrugs*

Also, what ereiv said.

Dhusk: Rich loud-mouthed fundie hypocrites waving Bibles that they've never read tell me how to live my life, not some wacko, alien seeing, child molesting homosexual priest.

Please they've read the bible... how else would they know what verses to twist to their ideology?

idrow: belief in aliens is ok, but believing that there were dinosaurs 150 million years ago, backed up by overwhelming and obvious scientific proof, is not.

What are you talking about, idiot? The Church accepted evolution immediately, in the 19th century. I don't know why I even bother with threads about the Church. You'd think that such a huge organization with easily-accessible members and writings would be a little better understood.

Seriously, idrow (and undoubtedly dozens of other ridiculous misconception-holders), what's your excuse? Do you not know any Catholics to ask this stuff?

ereiv: No don't he's going to whip up some tale of true teaching being passed down from the apostles to different oppressed groups throughout church history. Which in the end, amounts to nothing but apostolic succession through heretics...

Well said. I encounter this bizarre fantasy more and more as I attempt to have educated conversations with modern Evangelicals. You know the type: no dogma or Christ really, just a weekly self-help seminar in a lovely giant "church" with big screen TVs and a Starbucks in the lobby.

These people truly think their strip malls of worship represent a return to "early Christianity" before all that icky dogma and the evil, evil Catholic church. It's truly mind numbing.

TruBluBaptist: Catholics don't believe in God. Their Church is a mafia like clan that spreads false dogma and encourages people to lead secular lives. They distort Christianity. The Bible tells me how to live my life, not some wacko, alien seeing, child molesting homosexual priest.

Please tell me your goods are fixed so you can't breed anymore. Also you need to take a 2x4 to your children so we don't have to deal with crazier versions of you in the future. Trust me when I say it's for the good of humanity.

Mercutio74: Actually Catholics have been on the correct side of the evolution "debate" for years now. There aren't any creationist Catholics (or at least, if there are, they're not in line with what the vatican says).

I'm genuinely curious - where does the church say that you can't be a creationist?

HL : If you are a Catholic who believes in aliens, good news: You are no longer going to hell

Ummm, I was raised Catholic, and all through Catholic 1-8, 9-12, and two years of Jesuits never EVER heard anything resembling "If you believe in Aliens, you're going to Hell". Which would have been quite handy info to possess, seeing as I've been a SciFi fan from a young age.

Subby's ignorance / assumptions on this are quite astounding.
Are you sure you and TrueBluBaptist aren't the same person?

//Catholics "don't believe in God"? Amazing bigotry.

//Here's a Baptist joke in response....
//Q: Why don't Southern Baptists ever make love standing up?
//A: Because someone might see them and think they're dancing.

Excellent!

ArcadianRefugee: Scott was fine until he got married.

Craig was always the cool one though. (not a rickroll)

TruBluBaptist: Catholics don't believe in God. Their Church is a mafia like clan that spreads false dogma and encourages people to lead secular lives. They distort Christianity. The Bible tells me how to live my life, not some wacko, alien seeing, child molesting homosexual priest.

Why don't you go submerge yourself in a pool of my Catholic ballsweat^TM you bigoted prick?

ereiv: I'm genuinely curious - where does the church say that you can't be a creationist?

I researched after I posted and you got me. They only said that evolution isn't contrary to the Catholic faith. Sorry.

Though if there's no religious reason to be a creationist, I don't see why anyone would bother. It's like the church gave Catholics the ability to accept reality on the subject of evolution.

It's time for TruBluBaptist and Bevets to enter Thunderdome. 2 fruit loops enter, 1 fruit loop leaves.

UFO's with friendly aliens are coming to save us from this corrupt world...

parkerlewis: It's time for TruBluBaptist and Bevets to enter Thunderdome. 2 fruit loops enter, 1 fruit loop leaves.

LOL.

Q: What the difference between a Baptist and a Methodist?

A: A Methodist can read.

/a joke told to me by a nun once years ago....

reelpirate: Okay, who translateded it, and who originally wrote it, and who decided what parts to throw out? Last but not least who qualified them to throw certain parts out and keep others? Haaluucination?

In any case, to even get to the point of being the official religion of Rome Christianity had to be tarted up so that it would be more appealing to the average Roman citizen. You'll notice that there's a lot of shared holidays and traditions with pagan beliefs as well as similarities to other popular religions of the day.

Theistic religion has always been a useful too for gathering temporal power.

TruBluBaptist: Catholics don't believe in God. Their Church is a mafia like clan that spreads false dogma and encourages people to lead secular lives. They distort Christianity. The Bible tells me how to live my life, not some wacko, alien seeing, child molesting homosexual priest.

Five Frozen Fish Fingers: The Catholic church didn't recognize that the Earth rotated around the sun until 1994.

They didn't recognize Steve until he took off his hat, then there was that awkward "how's it going?" thing, but no one brought up the book, which, at least, helped keep it cordial, albeit a tad tepid.

Sweet this thread is turning into a woo-fight.

/Maybe some pics of catholic school girls in plaid will arrive next.
//crosses fingers

Extraterrestrial intelligence clashes with what the Bible tells us. You can't be a good Christian and believe in aliens.

reelpirate: Okay, who translateded it, and who originally wrote it, and who decided what parts to throw out? Last but not least who qualified them to throw certain parts out and keep others? Haaluucination?

I don't have a key to the vaults in the Vatican.... But, it sure as shiat wasn't a Protestant whose special brand of made-up Christianity is less than 300 years old! :D

Osvcat: ArcadianRefugee: Osvcat: Who wrote your bible?

Steve, but he didn't get credit for it.

It's a shame, because Steve's a great guy

Well, yeah... that was before Eve got jealous and offed him. She believed it should be Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.

kimwim: robisfunky: TruBluBaptist: Catholics don't believe in God. Their Church is a mafia like clan that spreads false dogma and encourages people to lead secular lives. They distort Christianity. The Bible tells me how to live my life, not some wacko, alien seeing, child molesting homosexual priest.

That was creepy as hell.

Don't, for the love of god, feed the troll!

Haet to tell you he's not a troll....he's worse he's a TRUE BELIEVER..

/sorry Stan Lee to steal your phrase with a waste of flesh like Tru over here

reelpirate: Okay, who translateded it, and who originally wrote it, and who decided what parts to throw out? Last but not least who qualified them to throw certain parts out and keep others?

The point is, the answer to all of those questions is "Catholics".

ereiv: I'm genuinely curious - where does the church say that you can't be a creationist?

They don't so much say "you can't" as they do "massive amounts of scientific evidence points to an Earth that is several billion years old; therefore, it is kind of silly to take the Genesis account as literal. This is the Official Stance of the Vatican".

Mind you, during their services (at least as of ~8 years ago) they still refer to this being the "5,987th (or whatever) year of Creation". But I suppose the point is they make a differentiation between reality and ritual.

elchip: Extraterrestrial intelligence clashes with what the Bible tells us. You can't be a good Christian and believe in aliens.

They are the Nephilim in the Bible.

elchip: Extraterrestrial intelligence clashes with what the Bible tells us. You can't be a good Christian and believe in aliens.

Pray tell, why not?

Sirjohnfalstaff: Why don't you go submerge yourself in a pool of my Catholic ballsweatTM you bigoted prick?

Father Tim?

BRENDAN-FACE: MCStymie: TruBluBaptist: Catholics don't believe in God. Their Church is a mafia like clan that spreads false dogma and encourages people to lead secular lives. They distort Christianity. The Bible tells me how to live my life, not some wacko, alien seeing, child molesting homosexual priest.

Ooooh...A little too judgmental for Jesus' tastes. Looks like you'll be stuck here for the Rapture. Sorry, man.

/Still, credit where credit is due is hereby issued. 7/10

Catholics don't buy that Rapture nonsense. Sure, we believe in the End of Days and the teachings of Revelations, but not the version of it that the fundementalist Christians believe in.

We don't know how it will go down, and that's half the fun.

We also don't believe in Trolls.

This is quite true, indeed. My wife recently freaked because she found out a friend of hers believes in Teh Rapturez...That was rather a clusterfark to deal with.

/...wife is a Pagan

ArcadianRefugee: ereiv: I'm genuinely curious - where does the church say that you can't be a creationist?

They don't so much say "you can't" as they do "massive amounts of scientific evidence points to an Earth that is several billion years old; therefore, it is kind of silly to take the Genesis account as literal. This is the Official Stance of the Vatican".

Mind you, during their services (at least as of ~8 years ago) they still refer to this being the "5,987th (or whatever) year of Creation". But I suppose the point is they make a differentiation between reality and ritual.

What service was that? I've been going to Catholic Mass my entire life & I've never heard a reference to what year of creation we are in.

ArcadianRefugee: Mind you, during their services (at least as of ~8 years ago) they still refer to this being the "5,987th (or whatever) year of Creation". But I suppose the point is they make a differentiation between reality and ritual.

What? I have never heard this, or anything remotely like this, in a Catholic service and I've been attending for longer than 8 years.

Pollexabator: TruBluBaptist: Catholics don't believe in God. Their Church is a mafia like clan that spreads false dogma and encourages people to lead secular lives. They distort Christianity. The Bible tells me how to live my life, not some wacko, alien seeing, child molesting homosexual priest.

Nothing, and I do mean NOTHING, is more comical to me than a Baptist calling a Catholic crazy. And who pray tell, would have protected the concept of Christ, and translated/perpetuated the Bible for your religion until your brand of wacko formed in the 17th century...? :D

LOOK. The Catholic Church is EVIL. Ever heard about indulgences? What about their collaboration with Hitler? Or their safe haven for homosexuals? They spit on the bible. The y make up guidelines and standards rather than following the word of God (Bible). The Church of Sodom and Gomorrah will say that they follow the Bible, just as most churches do, but in actuality they have departed from the commandments of God. In 2 Timothy 4:3,4 we read, "For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables." Christ established the church to send the Gospel into all the world. The pastors of the churches were to help the people grow spiritually (understand the Bible) but they have failed miserably (Jeremiah 23). In fact, most people in church today do not know what salvation is or how God saves a person. That is what the Baptist faith has corrected. It is not complicated.

ArcadianRefugee: Mind you, during their services (at least as of ~8 years ago) they still refer to this being the "5,987th (or whatever) year of Creation".

Really? Do you know in what service you heard that?

Again, I'm genuinely curious. I've never heard that before.

parkerlewis: It's time for TruBluBaptist and Bevets to enter Thunderdome. 2 fruit loops enter, 1 fruit loop leaves.

Tickets get your tickets here only one TF sponsership for a ticket

/yes im a whore....but im a whore for Jebus os is that the FSM?

TruBluBaptist: Pollexabator: TruBluBaptist: Catholics don't believe in God. Their Church is a mafia like clan that spreads false dogma and encourages people to lead secular lives. They distort Christianity. The Bible tells me how to live my life, not some wacko, alien seeing, child molesting homosexual priest.

Nothing, and I do mean NOTHING, is more comical to me than a Baptist calling a Catholic crazy. And who pray tell, would have protected the concept of Christ, and translated/perpetuated the Bible for your religion until your brand of wacko formed in the 17th century...? :D

LOOK. The Catholic Church is EVIL.

quit reading after that...

/blah blah blah
//you're all evil
///slashies ;)

Yes, they do exist, and they're your goddamn fathers!!!

TruBluBaptist: LOOK. The Catholic Church is EVIL. blah blah blah

People in glass houses and all that. The Christian religion has a long and storied history of greed and corruption. Your Baptist sect is equally as flawed (though doesn't have the body count the Catholicism has rung up). Christianity is nothing more than the selling of snake oil to the public, and in return, they get a devoted follower who will think what they think and act as they wish.

It's money/power grab and not much else.

Actually, the one you call "God" IS an alien!

/Free Jaffa!

TruBluBaptist: Pollexabator: TruBluBaptist: Catholics don't believe in God. Their Church is a mafia like clan that spreads false dogma and encourages people to lead secular lives. They distort Christianity. The Bible tells me how to live my life, not some wacko, alien seeing, child molesting homosexual priest.

Nothing, and I do mean NOTHING, is more comical to me than a Baptist calling a Catholic crazy. And who pray tell, would have protected the concept of Christ, and translated/perpetuated the Bible for your religion until your brand of wacko formed in the 17th century...? :D

LOOK. The Catholic Church is EVIL. Ever heard about indulgences? What about their collaboration with Hitler? Or their safe haven for homosexuals? They spit on the bible. The y make up guidelines and standards rather than following the word of God (Bible). The Church of Sodom and Gomorrah will say that they follow the Bible, just as most churches do, but in actuality they have departed from the commandments of God. In 2 Timothy 4:3,4 we read, "For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables." Christ established the church to send the Gospel into all the world. The pastors of the churches were to help the people grow spiritually (understand the Bible) but they have failed miserably (Jeremiah 23). In fact, most people in church today do not know what salvation is or how God saves a person. That is what the Baptist faith has corrected. It is not complicated.


Wow, slow down on the Meth and twinks there compadre

TruBluBaptist: For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

I always find it interesting that often, when people are so willing to throw these verses around at others, they don't stop to consider that it might just as easily apply to themselves.

I'm an ex-catholic. 17 years of catholic education - last 5 with the jesuits.

anyone who gives catholics a shot with the notion that they know better about human kind are as dumb as the preachers...

the population will crash - don't know when. ecologically things will even out, may or may not include homo sapiens

mccallcl: idrow: belief in aliens is ok, but believing that there were dinosaurs 150 million years ago, backed up by overwhelming and obvious scientific proof, is not.

What are you talking about, idiot? The Church accepted evolution immediately, in the 19th century. I don't know why I even bother with threads about the Church. You'd think that such a huge organization with easily-accessible members and writings would be a little better understood.

Seriously, idrow (and undoubtedly dozens of other ridiculous misconception-holders), what's your excuse? Do you not know any Catholics to ask this stuff?

"Some faithful Catholics believe that the book of Genesis describes word for word what happened when God made creation. They believe it took 168 hours to create the world (7 x 24hrs) In the first 3 days God created the sky, earth and water, in the next 3 days he populated sky, earth and water. Then on the last day he rested.

It appears the Church is leaning toward a symbolic interpretation of Genesis, although the faithful may hold either position as long as they believe in the three indisputable dogmatic facts (1) that God created everything out of nothing, (2) he created an orderly universe, and (3) that he sustains everything in being."

Don't let facts distract you from your name calling and tough-guy rant, though. Carry on...

ereiv: I always find it interesting that often, when people are so willing to throw these verses around at others, they don't stop to consider that it might just as easily apply to themselves.

I think there's a verse about that...

TruBluBaptist: Catholics don't believe in God.

Well, that's a start.

Gnorb: Approves

DA SPACE POPE!

BrokenToilet: ereiv: I always find it interesting that often, when people are so willing to throw these verses around at others, they don't stop to consider that it might just as easily apply to themselves.

I think there's a verse about that...

Yeah, but that one doesn't apply to me.

msimon8: BrokenToilet: ereiv: I always find it interesting that often, when people are so willing to throw these verses around at others, they don't stop to consider that it might just as easily apply to themselves.

I think there's a verse about that...

Yeah, but that one doesn't apply to me.

So you're a baptist?

idrow:

God created everything out of nothing

I don't understand how people can believe this. If this is a true statement, where was he before he created anything? Who created him (besides us, I mean) and where? How can you exist when there is nothing around you?

BRENDAN-FACE: What service was that?

BrokenToilet: What?

ereiv: Again, I'm genuinely curious. I've never heard that before.

This was at a Christmas (Easter? Which one do they hold "Midnight Mass" for?) Mass some years ago (like I said, 8 or so) at St. Andrew's in Roanoke. I remember it 'cos, being the heathen I am, stopped staring at the ass of the blonde-in-red-miniskirt in front of me and boggled at the priest.

/note: I am not a Catholic, I went with a friend who wished to attend

hugram: idrow:

God created everything out of nothing

I don't understand how people can believe this. If this is a true statement, where was he before he created anything? Who created him (besides us, I mean) and where? How can you exist when there is nothing around you?

That would be the basis of faith right there

TruBluBaptist

"For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables."

Wow...isn't the bible great? I mean, you can justify ANY argument with it. Farkin' love it!

How 'bout this one:

"I form the light and create darkness. I make peace and create evil; all these things I THE LORD DO." - Isaiah 45:7

See? I just proved that god is evil. fun huh?

Inflatable Rhetoric: TruBluBaptist: Catholics don't believe in God.

Well, that's a start.

They beleive in 3! No, wait... one. One with three parts! But that's kinda 3... or is it one? And what about Mary? She's worth at least half a god, right? After all, JPII said that one of the Marys (Fatima? or one of the other ones?) diverted the bullet that almost killed him. Though if 3 or 4 of the Marys had gotten together, could they have pushed the bullet far enough away from him so that he'd be missed altogether? Then, there's the saints... can you pray to someone who isn't God? So it's at least one... but could be 3.5 or hundreds I guess. I dunno, it's far more sensible to not get involved with the church in the first place.

Feindevil: msimon8: BrokenToilet: ereiv: I always find it interesting that often, when people are so willing to throw these verses around at others, they don't stop to consider that it might just as easily apply to themselves.

I think there's a verse about that...

Yeah, but that one doesn't apply to me.

So you're a baptist?

It's looking that way.

TruBluBaptist: Pollexabator: TruBluBaptist: Catholics don't believe in God. Their Church is a mafia like clan that spreads false dogma and encourages people to lead secular lives. They distort Christianity. The Bible tells me how to live my life, not some wacko, alien seeing, child molesting homosexual priest.

Nothing, and I do mean NOTHING, is more comical to me than a Baptist calling a Catholic crazy. And who pray tell, would have protected the concept of Christ, and translated/perpetuated the Bible for your religion until your brand of wacko formed in the 17th century...? :D

LOOK. The Catholic Church is EVIL. Ever heard about indulgences? What about their collaboration with Hitler? Or their safe haven for homosexuals? They spit on the bible. The y make up guidelines and standards rather than following the word of God (Bible). The Church of Sodom and Gomorrah will say that they follow the Bible, just as most churches do, but in actuality they have departed from the commandments of God. In 2 Timothy 4:3,4 we read, "For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables." Christ established the church to send the Gospel into all the world. The pastors of the churches were to help the people grow spiritually (understand the Bible) but they have failed miserably (Jeremiah 23). In fact, most people in church today do not know what salvation is or how God saves a person. That is what the Baptist faith has corrected. It is not complicated.

Your Bible was assembled by proto-Catholics to justify a Catholic Church. They condemned and burned as heresy all views contrary to those which would create a Catholic church. Those views included the Gnostic Gospels.

Why would proto-Catholics condemn as heresy the Gnostic Gospels?

If the Gnostic Gospels didn't have any persuasive appeal, couldn't they have safely been ignored?

By condemning them as heresy, and devoting hundreds of years of energies to suppressing them, proto-Catholics and later Catholics admitted the persuasive power of the Gnostic Gospels. The Gnostic Gospels hold persuasive power precisely because they hold more truth than the orthodox gospels alone. Didymos St. Thomas's testimony tells us as much about the Christ as does St. John's.

Why then would proto-Catholics seek to erase all traces of his testimony from history?

The answer, of course, is because the Gnostic Gospels would tend to undermine the power of the Catholic church if widely disseminated. In fact, they would, and do, undermine the power of all organized religion.

Troll or not, TruBluBaptist is speaking a certain truth. The Catholic church corrupted the essential teachings of Christ in order to create a false church. The irony, of course, is that Protestant churches use the same book the Catholics used to justify their chruch. While clothed in different colored wool, the underlying wolves are the same. Catholic and Protestant Churches alike teach that Jesus is about damning to hell those who disbelieve, and cheap salvation for those who believe. They are both about using emotional blackmail to augment the power of earthly clerics.

Can this be doubted? Is there really that much of a difference between the Pope and Pat Robertson? Between a Cardinal and Jerry Falwell? Do not all of them grow fat--materially and politically--off the contributions of the faithful?

None of this, none of it is consistent with the message of the true Christ. All of it is an absolute corruption a messenger of the light.

TruBluBaptist: <b>Pollexabator:</b> <i>TruBluBaptist: Catholics don't believe in God. Their Church is a mafia like clan that spreads false dogma and encourages people to lead secular lives. They distort Christianity. The Bible tells me how to live my life, not some wacko, alien seeing, child molesting homosexual priest.

Nothing, and I do mean NOTHING, is more comical to me than a Baptist calling a Catholic crazy. And who pray tell, would have protected the concept of Christ, and translated/perpetuated the Bible for your religion until your brand of wacko formed in the 17th century...? :D</i>

LOOK. The Catholic Church is EVIL. Ever heard about indulgences? What about their collaboration with Hitler? Or their safe haven for homosexuals? They spit on the bible. The y make up guidelines and standards rather than following the word of God (Bible). The Church of Sodom and Gomorrah will say that they follow the Bible, just as most churches do, but in actuality they have departed from the commandments of God. In 2 Timothy 4:3,4 we read, "For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables." Christ established the church to send the Gospel into all the world. The pastors of the churches were to help the people grow spiritually (understand the Bible) but they have failed miserably (Jeremiah 23). In fact, most people in church today do not know what salvation is or how God saves a person. That is what the Baptist faith has corrected. It is not complicated.

Aren't you being just a bit of a hypocrite, considering Jesus supposedly left the Church to Peter and claimed him to be the first Pope? By not believing in the Church aren't you going against His word?

Seems to me like not being a Catholic goes against the teachings and beliefs of Jesus. I don't understand how non-Catholic Christians rationalize and justify their beliefs, but maybe someone out there more rehearsed in theology studies can provide me with an answer. I admit I'm not an expert on this subject but I'm really curious as to how one can claim they follow a religion closely yet refuse to acknowledge one of the key tenets established by the creator of the religion itself.

/forgive my grammar, multi-tasking

hugram: I don't understand how people can believe this. If this is a true statement, where was he before he created anything? Who created him (besides us, I mean) and where? How can you exist when there is nothing around you?

Well, you could say that God exists out side of our concept of space and time. But I suspect you'd think that was a Bullshiat answer.

But if you reject the idea that God created teh world, then you're left with two options.

1)It came into being completely without cause
2)The universe always existed.

I'm pretty sure the Greeks went with #2, because something cannot come from nothing.

hugram:

idrow:

God created everything out of nothing

I don't understand how people can believe this. If this is a true statement, where was he before he created anything? Who created him (besides us, I mean) and where? How can you exist when there is nothing around you?

I did not mean idrow that this is the way you think. I just copied a small part of your original statement to just ask the general question of how can he exist when there is nothing around him.

BRENDAN-FACE:
What service was that? I've been going to Catholic Mass my entire life & I've never heard a reference to what year of creation we are in.

Sequence at the beginning of Easter Vigil Mass

Mercutio74: And what about Mary?

"So Sparticus and I got into his father's wine stores and well, I couldn't exactly tell my mother that..."

msimon8: Feindevil: msimon8: BrokenToilet: ereiv: I always find it interesting that often, when people are so willing to throw these verses around at others, they don't stop to consider that it might just as easily apply to themselves.

I think there's a verse about that...

Yeah, but that one doesn't apply to me.

So you're a baptist?

It's looking that way.

Hate it for you...but hey all you need to change is to feel "slightly" guilty when you buy your beer and prOn

/worked in a gas station across from a LARGE (have their own zip code large) S. Baptist church thru college... Sunday's after service were fun!

captain_heroic44: Why would proto-Catholics condemn as heresy the Gnostic Gospels?

If Tru's able to even parse that sentence, he'd easily be the most educated Baptist I've ever met...

/"No, no, no, everything that's supposed to be in the Bible is in the Bible."

Didactic Fiction - it's amazing how one's personal faith can be justified if you just look at it through the spectrum of logic and the recognition that the Bible was written for a far more primative version of man-kind. In order to get te same messages the writers f the Biblical volumes were trying to impart, you have to figure out why they were explaining things the way they were, and what the underlying mesage was.

I don't know about you guys, but I don't really have the time to do that myself. It seems like a crap-load of work. We should have people who do it as their life's work. We'll call them Thelogians. They can study the history, translations and interpretations of the texts and get back to me with varying concepts on what the true messages are. I'll judge those interpretations and figure out whether or not I agree. I'll justify my beliefs with my personal faith. I'll let the Church have an official point of view decided by a head Theologian who holds the same position as the guy that Jesus himself put in charge of such tasks. At the end of the day, I'll make my own decisions, but I'll totally respect what his final interpretation of things is, and I'll make peace with the fact that I might feel a bit different.

Catholicism is more about the message of how to lead your life than the Fundementalist version of quoting obscure Biblical passages for justification of why you're acting like an unholy jerk. Catholicism is about the way you were raised, about values which allow you to be a decent person -- even if you choose to no longer be a Catholic*.

*Please Note: The Catholic Church in the Middle Ages is something no one is proud of. Their lack of religious tolerance is right up there with the Romans, the Nazis, Al Queda, Tom Cruise, etc . . .
The exception is the Monks who preserved texts from Antiquity, an act that saved Humanity hundreds, if not thousands of years of catching up during the Renaissance.

captain_heroic44: TruBluBaptist: Pollexabator: TruBluBaptist: Catholics don't believe in God. Their Church is a mafia like clan that spreads false dogma and encourages people to lead secular lives. They distort Christianity. The Bible tells me how to live my life, not some wacko, alien seeing, child molesting homosexual priest.

Nothing, and I do mean NOTHING, is more comical to me than a Baptist calling a Catholic crazy. And who pray tell, would have protected the concept of Christ, and translated/perpetuated the Bible for your religion until your brand of wacko formed in the 17th century...? :D

LOOK. The Catholic Church is EVIL. Ever heard about indulgences? What about their collaboration with Hitler? Or their safe haven for homosexuals? They spit on the bible. The y make up guidelines and standards rather than following the word of God (Bible). The Church of Sodom and Gomorrah will say that they follow the Bible, just as most churches do, but in actuality they have departed from the commandments of God. In 2 Timothy 4:3,4 we read, "For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables." Christ established the church to send the Gospel into all the world. The pastors of the churches were to help the people grow spiritually (understand the Bible) but they have failed miserably (Jeremiah 23). In fact, most people in church today do not know what salvation is or how God saves a person. That is what the Baptist faith has corrected. It is not complicated.

Your Bible was assembled by proto-Catholics to justify a Catholic Church. They condemned and burned as heresy all views contrary to those which would create a Catholic church. Those views included the Gnostic Gospels.

Why would proto-Catholics condemn as heresy the Gnostic Gospels?

If the Gnostic Gospels didn't have any persuasive appeal, couldn't they have safely been ignored?

By condemning them as heresy, and devoting hundreds of years of energies to suppressing them, proto-Catholics and later Catholics admitted the persuasive power of the Gnostic Gospels. The Gnostic Gospels hold persuasive power precisely because they hold more truth than the orthodox gospels alone. Didymos St. Thomas's testimony tells us as much about the Christ as does St. John's.

Why then would proto-Catholics seek to erase all traces of his testimony from history?

The answer, of course, is because the Gnostic Gospels would tend to undermine the power of the Catholic church if widely disseminated. In fact, they would, and do, undermine the power of all organized religion.

Troll or not, TruBluBaptist is speaking a certain truth. The Catholic church corrupted the essential teachings of Christ in order to create a false church. The irony, of course, is that Protestant churches use the same book the Catholics used to justify their chruch. While clothed in different colored wool, the underlying wolves are the same. Catholic and Protestant Churches alike teach that Jesus is about damning to hell those who disbelieve, and cheap salvation for those who believe. They are both about using emotional blackmail to augment the power of earthly clerics.

Can this be doubted? Is there really that much of a difference between the Pope and Pat Robertson? Between a Cardinal and Jerry Falwell? Do not all of them grow fat--materially and politically--off the contributions of the faithful?

None of this, none of it is consistent with the message of the true Christ. All of it is an absolute corruption a messenger of the light.

Are you a gnostic? Like, for real?

But the real question is- is it acceptable for a human male to engage in coition with a seven-eyed G'narzFu'gl from the Alpha Centauri system, and with which one of the four genders? Utilizing which one of seventeen possible orifices? Also is it accepted outside of the 174 year breeding cycle?
/suspect the answer is "Follow your conscience, but ensure any resulting mutant offspring are at least baptised Catholic according to the Human or at least the Lesser Antarean Rite of G'moth."

SanDamiano: BRENDAN-FACE:
What service was that? I've been going to Catholic Mass my entire life & I've never heard a reference to what year of creation we are in.

Sequence at the beginning of Easter Vigil Mass

Yeah, that's pretty set in tradition. It's the only Mass of the year that pays strong homage to the early Christians. I guess I can see that.

Feindevil: msimon8: Feindevil: msimon8: BrokenToilet: ereiv: I always find it interesting that often, when people are so willing to throw these verses around at others, they don't stop to consider that it might just as easily apply to themselves.

I think there's a verse about that...

Yeah, but that one doesn't apply to me.

So you're a baptist?

It's looking that way.

Hate it for you...but hey all you need to change is to feel "slightly" guilty when you buy your beer and prOn

/worked in a gas station across from a LARGE (have their own zip code large) S. Baptist church thru college... Sunday's after service were fun!

Why do you always bring two Baptists with you fishing?
If you bring one, he will drink all your beer, if you bring two, they won't drink any.

/here all week

ereiv: captain_heroic44: TruBluBaptist: Pollexabator: TruBluBaptist: Catholics don't believe in God. Their Church is a mafia like clan that spreads false dogma and encourages people to lead secular lives. They distort Christianity. The Bible tells me how to live my life, not some wacko, alien seeing, child molesting homosexual priest.

Nothing, and I do mean NOTHING, is more comical to me than a Baptist calling a Catholic crazy. And who pray tell, would have protected the concept of Christ, and translated/perpetuated the Bible for your religion until your brand of wacko formed in the 17th century...? :D

LOOK. The Catholic Church is EVIL. Ever heard about indulgences? What about their collaboration with Hitler? Or their safe haven for homosexuals? They spit on the bible. The y make up guidelines and standards rather than following the word of God (Bible). The Church of Sodom and Gomorrah will say that they follow the Bible, just as most churches do, but in actuality they have departed from the commandments of God. In 2 Timothy 4:3,4 we read, "For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables." Christ established the church to send the Gospel into all the world. The pastors of the churches were to help the people grow spiritually (understand the Bible) but they have failed miserably (Jeremiah 23). In fact, most people in church today do not know what salvation is or how God saves a person. That is what the Baptist faith has corrected. It is not complicated.

Your Bible was assembled by proto-Catholics to justify a Catholic Church. They condemned and burned as heresy all views contrary to those which would create a Catholic church. Those views included the Gnostic Gospels.

Why would proto-Catholics condemn as heresy the Gnostic Gospels?

If the Gnostic Gospels didn't have any persuasive appeal, couldn't they have safely been ignored?

By condemning them as heresy, and devoting hundreds of years of energies to suppressing them, proto-Catholics and later Catholics admitted the persuasive power of the Gnostic Gospels. The Gnostic Gospels hold persuasive power precisely because they hold more truth than the orthodox gospels alone. Didymos St. Thomas's testimony tells us as much about the Christ as does St. John's.

Why then would proto-Catholics seek to erase all traces of his testimony from history?

The answer, of course, is because the Gnostic Gospels would tend to undermine the power of the Catholic church if widely disseminated. In fact, they would, and do, undermine the power of all organized religion.

Troll or not, TruBluBaptist is speaking a certain truth. The Catholic church corrupted the essential teachings of Christ in order to create a false church. The irony, of course, is that Protestant churches use the same book the Catholics used to justify their chruch. While clothed in different colored wool, the underlying wolves are the same. Catholic and Protestant Churches alike teach that Jesus is about damning to hell those who disbelieve, and cheap salvation for those who believe. They are both about using emotional blackmail to augment the power of earthly clerics.

Can this be doubted? Is there really that much of a difference between the Pope and Pat Robertson? Between a Cardinal and Jerry Falwell? Do not all of them grow fat--materially and politically--off the contributions of the faithful?

None of this, none of it is consistent with the message of the true Christ. All of it is an absolute corruption a messenger of the light.

Are you a gnostic? Like, for real?

Yeah.

cynicalbastard: But the real question is- is it acceptable for a human male to engage in coition with a seven-eyed G'narzFu'gl from the Alpha Centauri system, and with which one of the four genders? Utilizing which one of seventeen possible orifices? Also is it accepted outside of the 174 year breeding cycle?
/suspect the answer is "Follow your conscience, but ensure any resulting mutant offspring are at least baptised Catholic according to the Human or at least the Lesser Antarean Rite of G'moth."

All Alpha Centurians....are GOING TO HELL!!!!! Only thru the 18th orificed Prophet N'asdfaset'zaark can salvation be achieved...

Praise to the Prophet..
/Hey get the FSM outta here my church not His

TruBluBaptist: Catholics don't believe in God. Their Church is a mafia like clan that spreads false dogma and encourages people to lead secular lives. They distort Christianity. The Bible tells me how to live my life, not some wacko, alien seeing, child molesting homosexual priest.

Is that quoted from Osama bin Laden, or some other whackjob terrorist?

captain_heroic44: Yeah.

I find that kinda cool, actually. I didn't know there were any old school gnostics left.

Funes said that ruling out the existence of aliens would be like "putting limits" on God's creative freedom.

Wouldn't ruling out evolution also be putting limits on God's creative freedom.

/crap did I just cross into intelligent design there

ArcadianRefugee: diesel3
This perspective recycled from yesterday

Bastard. Identify SuperDeluxe links.

Ouch. That bad? I thought the religious perspective was quite pointed. I find it very interesting that Christian Americans have no problem taking jabs at the Taliban, for instance, for their fundamental ignorance and ridiculous beliefs while practicing much of the same. I mean, come on. Religious strength and control is everywhere from controlling alcohol content and container openings for beer to rewriting science with fictional tales of magic wands and immaculate conception. Is it just me or is the hypocrisy quite obvious?

TruBluBaptist: LOOK. The Catholic Church is EVIL. Ever heard about indulgences? What about their collaboration with Hitler? Or their safe haven for homosexuals? They spit on the bible. The y make up guidelines and standards rather than following the word of God (Bible). The Church of Sodom and Gomorrah will say that they follow the Bible, just as most churches do, but in actuality they have departed from the commandments of God. In 2 Timothy 4:3,4 we read, "For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables." Christ established the church to send the Gospel into all the world. The pastors of the churches were to help the people grow spiritually (understand the Bible) but they have failed miserably (Jeremiah 23). In fact, most people in church today do not know what salvation is or how God saves a person. That is what the Baptist faith has corrected. It is not complicated.

I'm flattered that my post drew your fire, but you Protestants STILL don't get it. You're just another flavor of the same delusion. You may not sell indulgences under that name, but you do pass around a collection plate and your revenues are tax free, aren't they? Do Baptists tithe...? Are not these things done in the same spirit, only with this new found illusion of authenticity gained by calling your priests "pastors" and letting them have families...?

You're not on the same train of lies, but who laid the tracks? Who perpetuated the book that you now turn to for the "true" way to the Lord...? You rant and rave about the rock on which Jesus built his Church and then pretend your "new" way is any different.

Surely no Baptist minister lied, stole from the flock, defied the commandments or molested a child. Nope, never happened... :D

/same shiat, different dogma

TruBluBaptist: The Bible tells me how to live my life, not some wacko, alien seeing, child molesting homosexual priest.

First kudos for separating homosexual and molesting, usually religious types tend to group the two together.

Secondly, be careful about the glass houses thing... (pops)

ereiv:
Are you a gnostic? Like, for real?

You know who else was a Gnostic? That's right... czarangelus!

Feindevil:

hugram: idrow:

God created everything out of nothing

I don't understand how people can believe this. If this is a true statement, where was he before he created anything? Who created him (besides us, I mean) and where? How can you exist when there is nothing around you?

That would be the basis of faith right there

Which is pretty stupid for all of the wars, executions, isolations and fark flames due to a faith or a belief. No one in this world knows for a fact that God does or does not exist. I choose to not believe in the bible, religion, and God but I'm not going to go out of my way to change the mind of believers because I don't know for sure that God does not exist. You fundies can't say for a fact that he DOES exist. No one knows, yet we have had wars, and other atrocities due to a belief.

ereiv: I find that kinda cool, actually. I didn't know there were any old school gnostics left.

I believe czarangelus would commonly claim to be one.

/wherever he went

kth: I haven't paid much attention to newpope.

They just added more sugar. I'm sure it won't last.

TruBluBaptist: LOOK. The Catholic Church is EVIL. Ever heard about indulgences? What about their collaboration with Hitler? Or their safe haven for homosexuals? They spit on the bible.

You know, it gets quite expensive having to buy a new Bible every few months when the old one becomes too saliva-soaked and moldy to hold together for the weekly Bible-Spitin' ceremony, where we all gather 'round The Good Book and expectorate the hell out of it. You can't have a good Mackerel-Snappin' ceremony without the soggy book to snap our mackerels at. Then to be followed by a goodly round of selected readings from Mein Kamph and the traditional rogering of the altar boy.

Wait, have I left out any bigoted stupidity or hysterical imaginings from that Anti-Catholic list?
//Too bad the most recent two papal elections of non-Italians make your anti-Italian
//dig earlier of "organized like the Mafia" look dated.

You know, there MIGHT be a GOOD reason the one political party in US history founded
on the premise of Anti-Catholicism called themselves the "Know Nothings".
They were pretty much as ignorant and bigoted as they come, too.

If you're a non Catholic Christian, then from my point of view you're a Heretic.
And we all know what us Catholics do to Heretics...


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bmasso: You know, it gets quite expensive having to buy a new Bible every few months when the old one becomes too saliva-soaked and moldy to hold together for the weekly Bible-Spitin' ceremony, where we all gather 'round The Good Book and expectorate the hell out of it. You can't have a good Mackerel-Snappin' ceremony without the soggy book to snap our mackerels at. Then to be followed by a goodly round of selected readings from Mein Kamph and the traditional rogering of the altar boy.

Oh, SNAP!

/loved "expectorate the hell out of it"

ereiv: captain_heroic44: Yeah.

I find that kinda cool, actually. I didn't know there were any old school gnostics left.

I don't go to a Gnostic church. I didn't get my views from a cleric. I don't know if that means I'm "old school" or not.

There are many who call themselves Gnostics out there. I can't say they're wrong in what they believe. But I can't say what they believe is entirely consistent with what I believe either.

And that's totally consistent with what I understand to be Gnosticism. The Gnosis is a personal revelation. It is internal, and true to each person in his or her own way.

If you're interested in Gnosticism, I would urge you not to get your information from anyone claiming to be a an authoritative Gnostic religious figure. I would start with reading a little about the Gnostic Gospels themselves.

You can start with the Wikis about Gnosticism. Also, Elaine Pagels has written a few good short, accessible books about them. But she often seems to have something of an orthodox bias. When you feel you have a grasp of the basic history, I'd urge you to look at the Gnostic Gospels themselves. They're available for free online. If you do a search for the "Nag Hammadi Library" on Google, it will turn up my favorite Gnosticism resource.

edip1976: If you're a non Catholic Christian, then from my point of view you're a Heretic.
And we all know what us Catholics do to Heretics...


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SanDamiano: BRENDAN-FACE:
What service was that? I've been going to Catholic Mass my entire life & I've never heard a reference to what year of creation we are in.

Sequence at the beginning of Easter Vigil Mass

There's no reference to the earth being 6000 some odd years in the sequence.

captain_heroic44: ereiv: captain_heroic44: Yeah.

I find that kinda cool, actually. I didn't know there were any old school gnostics left.

I don't go to a Gnostic church. I didn't get my views from a cleric. I don't know if that means I'm "old school" or not.

There are many who call themselves Gnostics out there. I can't say they're wrong in what they believe. But I can't say what they believe is entirely consistent with what I believe either.

And that's totally consistent with what I understand to be Gnosticism. The Gnosis is a personal revelation. It is internal, and true to each person in his or her own way.

If you're interested in Gnosticism, I would urge you not to get your information from anyone claiming to be a an authoritative Gnostic religious figure. I would start with reading a little about the Gnostic Gospels themselves.

You can start with the Wikis about Gnosticism. Also, Elaine Pagels has written a few good short, accessible books about them. But she often seems to have something of an orthodox bias. When you feel you have a grasp of the basic history, I'd urge you to look at the Gnostic Gospels themselves. They're available for free online. If you do a search for the "Nag Hammadi Library" on Google, it will turn up my favorite Gnosticism resource.

Also, look into Bishop Origen who lived around 200 AD.

Yeah the catholic bashing isn't cool. You haven't been drunk until you've been drunk with an irish catholic...we'll drink you under the table biatch!

hugram: Feindevil:

hugram: idrow:

God created everything out of nothing

I don't understand how people can believe this. If this is a true statement, where was he before he created anything? Who created him (besides us, I mean) and where? How can you exist when there is nothing around you?

That would be the basis of faith right there

Which is pretty stupid for all of the wars, executions, isolations and fark flames due to a faith or a belief. No one in this world knows for a fact that God does or does not exist. I choose to not believe in the bible, religion, and God but I'm not going to go out of my way to change the mind of believers because I don't know for sure that God does not exist. You fundies can't say for a fact that he DOES exist. No one knows, yet we have had wars, and other atrocities due to a belief.

I look at it this way. I was raised catholic. Am currently attending a Methodist church. I am not a fan of a church as an entity as i believe this is the entity most responsible for said attrocities. But I do have faith in what I choose to call God. Now does my faith require me to be right all the time like TRU? No. My faith requires me to live my life to be the best me I can. I feel that God put into my heart what is right and what is wrong and its my job to listen. I know people who have faith tend to get jumped on here on FARK by the athiest crowd but I look at it this way. If people stopped dividng themselves in so many ways humanity might be a bit of a better place. I also dont think its my job to TELL anyone what they should or should not believe. Some will say that "being a witness" is a tenent of faith. To that I say I live my life as a witness. Look at me by my actions not the words...

/figured i would get that off my chest.

atlanta_ufo: Also, look into Bishop Origen who lived around 200 AD

Yeah. The only reason Origen isn't a Doctor of the Church, is because his teachings strayed a bit too far down the gnostic path...

captain_heroic44: Are you a gnostic? Like, for real?

Yeah.

Do you accept the canonical gospels as authoritative, or just the gnostic ones?

/curious

idrow: Let me get this straight...belief in aliens is ok, but believing that there were dinosaurs 150 million years ago, backed up by overwhelming and obvious scientific proof, is not. Yep, makes perfect sense.

/Ack
//No patience for their nonsense

Actually, the official Vatican call on it is that evolution is real. And that Intelligent Design is garbage science. No joke man, check it out. Much as I may like to hate on the church, they are actually a lot more modern then you may think.

Link

Now, granted, this in no way makes idiots from trying to get ID taught as a viable alternate theory to evolution, but it's not in line with the "official" Roman Catholic teachings.

Though, not all christens are Roman Catholic. There is also TruBluBaptist ;)

SanDamiano: ereiv:
Are you a gnostic? Like, for real?

You know who else was a Gnostic? That's right... czarangelus!

Czar-winned?

SanDamiano: edip1976: If you're a non Catholic Christian, then from my point of view you're a Heretic.
And we all know what us Catholics do to Heretics...


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Morton_toes: SanDamiano: ereiv:
Are you a gnostic? Like, for real?

You know who else was a Gnostic? That's right... czarangelus!

Czar-winned?

Are you sure it wasn't aGnostic.

FarkedOver: Yeah the catholic bashing isn't cool. You haven't been drunk until you've been drunk with an irish catholic...we'll drink you under the table biatch!

Grandma?

atlanta_ufo: Also, look into Bishop Origen

This guy?

atlanta_ufo: Morton_toes: SanDamiano: ereiv:
Are you a gnostic? Like, for real?

You know who else was a Gnostic? That's right... czarangelus!

Czar-winned?

Are you sure it wasn't aGnostic.

TRU_BLU_aGnostic?

Feindevil:

I look at it this way. I was raised catholic. Am currently attending a Methodist church. I am not a fan of a church as an entity as i believe this is the entity most responsible for said attrocities. But I do have faith in what I choose to call God. Now does my faith require me to be right all the time like TRU? No. My faith requires me to live my life to be the best me I can. I feel that God put into my heart what is right and what is wrong and its my job to listen. I know people who have faith tend to get jumped on here on FARK by the athiest crowd but I look at it this way. If people stopped dividng themselves in so many ways humanity might be a bit of a better place. I also dont think its my job to TELL anyone what they should or should not believe. Some will say that "being a witness" is a tenent of faith. To that I say I live my life as a witness. Look at me by my actions not the words...

/figured i would get that off my chest.

I respect your comment. I have nothing against people who believe in religion or have faith. What I want from them is to live others alone and let them live their life in peace. If gheys, atheists, and people from different religious are NOT directly bothering you, then don't get all jugdemental and tell them that they are wrong on how they choose to live.

I don't think you have to believe in God or religion to be consireded a good human. I don't like it when religious (the nuttie ones) automatically label you as a 'bad' person for not being religious. And how can these fundie nuts think they are being a good human being by hating on the ones that live a different lifestyle. If they truly believe they are living in sin, then let 'God' deal with them.

tiggerfreak: Save us all if the Church of Scientology and the Catholic Church merge.

/good thing it's early, I can find something to stave off the nightmares

I dunno, plaid skirts and xenu gear. Any trekkies dream.
/well, maybe that's stretching it
//the catholic church needs all the crazies on their side
///Jesus can fly!!!

TruBluBaptist:

Congratulations.....you have become the biggest nutjob, I've ever seen on here, and that includes Bevets. You sound like a nasty little masturbating redneck troll, barely capable of thought, whining about everything and everyone different from yourself. See your gun on the counter....it's speaking to you, telling you to kiss it. Go ahead Jesus won't mind.

hugram: Feindevil:

I look at it this way. I was raised catholic. Am currently attending a Methodist church. I am not a fan of a church as an entity as i believe this is the entity most responsible for said attrocities. But I do have faith in what I choose to call God. Now does my faith require me to be right all the time like TRU? No. My faith requires me to live my life to be the best me I can. I feel that God put into my heart what is right and what is wrong and its my job to listen. I know people who have faith tend to get jumped on here on FARK by the athiest crowd but I look at it this way. If people stopped dividng themselves in so many ways humanity might be a bit of a better place. I also dont think its my job to TELL anyone what they should or should not believe. Some will say that "being a witness" is a tenent of faith. To that I say I live my life as a witness. Look at me by my actions not the words...

/figured i would get that off my chest.

I respect your comment. I have nothing against people who believe in religion or have faith. What I want from them is to live others alone and let them live their life in peace. If gheys, atheists, and people from different religious are NOT directly bothering you, then don't get all jugdemental and tell them that they are wrong on how they choose to live.

I don't think you have to believe in God or religion to be consireded a good human. I don't like it when religious (the nuttie ones) automatically label you as a 'bad' person for not being religious. And how can these fundie nuts think they are being a good human being by hating on the ones that live a different lifestyle. If they truly believe they are living in sin, then let 'God' deal with them.

My God are we having an honest discussion of beliefs here on Fark...unpossible

Now get away from me you heathen Satan loving whore mongering biatch dog....

/sorry was channeling Tru for a second there...

I don't believe in god or aliens so I'm really getting a kick out of these replies.

Feindevil:

My God unknown force are we having an honest discussion of beliefs here on Fark...unpossible

Now get away from me you heathen Satan loving whore mongering biatch dog....

/sorry was channeling Tru for a second there...

FTFY

kimwim: FarkedOver: catholic bashing isn't cool.

Right, but the catholic priest kiddydiddlers bashing is great!

Oh yeah some catholic priest suck no doubt about that. That being said the whole catholic organization isn't culpable because of what some pedos did.

SanDamiano

edip1976: If you're a non Catholic Christian, then from my point of view you're a Heretic.
And we all know what us Catholics do to Heretics...


SEND IN THE NUNS!!!!1!eleventy1!

This post is useless without pictures.

You asked for it....

Miss Misery: tiggerfreak: Save us all if the Church of Scientology and the Catholic Church merge.

/good thing it's early, I can find something to stave off the nightmares

I dunno, plaid skirts and xenu gear. Any trekkies dream.
/well, maybe that's stretching it
//the catholic church needs all the crazies on their side
///Jesus can fly!!!

There's the rub then, all of the other "NEW" religions are funneling off all the crazies for themselves! Soon there will be so many factions they will be impossible to identify!

/used to be so much EZer to spot the 'CRAZY!'

I've noticed events called "acts of god" are not fun. Anyone else notice that?

catholic: Including or concerning all humankind; universal

I respect your right to express your opinion, TruBluBaptist, but please return the respect, hmmm? My relationship with God (and yes, I believe in Him), is my business, as yours is yours.

/proud to be Catholic, no matter what derogatory comments anyone wants to make
//pretty sure all religions have molestors of some sort
///many paths up the mountain

Still waiting for their position on streetlights.

danar75: catholic: Including or concerning all humankind; universal

I respect your right to express your opinion, TruBluBaptist, but please return the respect, hmmm? My relationship with God (and yes, I believe in Him), is my business, as yours is yours.

/proud to be Catholic, no matter what derogatory comments anyone wants to make
//pretty sure all religions have molestors of some sort
///many paths up the mountain

Tru is a troll and a half. Save your typing

Inflatable Rhetoric: I've noticed events called "acts of god" are not fun. Anyone else notice that?

LOL. True.

Marla Singer's Laundry: Tru is a troll and a half. Save your typing

Very true. But he did make the thread interesting, no?

TruBluBaptist Catholics don't believe in God. Blah, blah, blah.

Late to the party, but grabs popcorn anyway.

/this'll be fun
//a mirror...let me show you it

Inflatable Rhetoric: I've noticed events called "acts of god" are not fun. Anyone else notice that?

Definitely noticed that also. Maybe we could form a committee and you know, maybe ask the "Big Guy" if that's really how it's got to be. Some sort of club or "society" where like minded individuals could get together and hate on everyone that doesn't have "Stars on thar's"....

//just a thought.

ereiv: Marla Singer's Laundry: Tru is a troll and a half. Save your typing

Very true. But he did make the thread interesting, no?

It was pretty skillful.

We all know Cro-Magnon man is from outer space and had to wipe out the Neandertal man to rule the earth.

I believes in Christianity for the presents.

/adjusts tin-foil hat

Good move on the Vatican's part.

Morton_toes: Inflatable Rhetoric: I've noticed events called "acts of god" are not fun. Anyone else notice that?

Definitely noticed that also. Maybe we could form a committee and you know, maybe ask the "Big Guy" if that's really how it's got to be. Some sort of club or "society" where like minded individuals could get together and hate on everyone that doesn't have "Stars on thar's"....

//just a thought.

I am your Messiah and I am ready to take your questions....

/China? Moo moo my bad moo moo

Marla Singer's Laundry: ereiv: Marla Singer's Laundry: Tru is a troll and a half. Save your typing

Very true. But he did make the thread interesting, no?

It was pretty skillful.

TRU_BLU gots mad skilz, MAD SKILZ!

BrokenToilet: captain_heroic44: Are you a gnostic? Like, for real?

Yeah.

Do you accept the canonical gospels as authoritative, or just the gnostic ones?

/curious

I'm very sure at least some of the canonical gospels are corrupted. But I don't even accept everything in the Gnostic Gospels as authoritative.

In a way, I'm very guilty of picking and choosing.

On the other hand, Adam and Eve's first sin was learning the difference between good and evil. I know good from evil.

I know a good God doesn't condemn people to eternal torture for finite sin. That's evil. So I automatically know anything in any Gospel that suggests God does that is false. It's necessarily inconsistent with a God of good, and therefore cannot be true. It's a false teaching created by Earthly corrupters to increase their own power.

Really, when you start with that premise, that you know good from evil, a lot of things fall into place--like the Serpent being a messenger of light, for example, sent, like Jesus, to help liberate humanity from the false God who keeps us imprisoned.

Alright, now I'm off the deep end. But yeah, that's actually what I believe.

Start with the premise that you know good from evil, moreso than what some dusty book tells you is good and evil, and that's the starting place for what I believe.

Feindevil: Morton_toes: Inflatable Rhetoric: I've noticed events called "acts of god" are not fun. Anyone else notice that?

Definitely noticed that also. Maybe we could form a committee and you know, maybe ask the "Big Guy" if that's really how it's got to be. Some sort of club or "society" where like minded individuals could get together and hate on everyone that doesn't have "Stars on thar's"....

//just a thought.

I am your Messiah and I am ready to take your questions....

/China? Moo moo my bad moo moo

My messiah plays a red strat & bears more than a passing resemblance to Jimi Hendrix.

/Not my messiah, Not yours.

mtsofthemoon: do scientologists say hail xenu instead of hail mary after confession?

No. Xenu's the intergalactic bad guy in their mythos...like an alien Satan causing the inhabitants of Earth...excuse me, Teegeeack...to suffer.

Pardon me while I channel some Queensryche...



I'd take her on the altar like a sacrifice.

danar75: catholic: Including or concerning all humankind; universal

I respect your right to express your opinion, TruBluBaptist, but please return the respect, hmmm? My relationship with God (and yes, I believe in Him), is my business, as yours is yours.

/proud to be Catholic, no matter what derogatory comments anyone wants to make
//pretty sure all religions have molestors of some sort
///many paths up the mountain

Your church perverted the original meaning of the teachings of Jesus. Jesus, the son of God, was an extraordinary historical figure of the royal line of David who tried to unite the various factions of Israel against the Romans. The Romans had the last laugh and like any large corporation swallowed up the competition and rebranded it. What more could it ask for? A God nobody could see. A bible only the powerful were allowed to edit and indeed read. For centuries people have suffered under the yoke of tyranny that is the Pope and all his bishops. He is the Anti-Christ (if you can believe in that sort of thing). Millions have died at the behest of the Roman Church, from muslims to cathars to witches. The Roman church coluded with the Nazis. It's homosexual priests have with the full knowledge of the church raped young boys and been promoted. It burned John Tyndall at the stake for producing the supposed word of god in English so that ordinary people could try to understand what Christianity was about. It excluded those gospels from both testaments that did not suit their version of christianity. i.e. one of control.
Get real see the light. If Jesus were alive today sitting next to you he would weep oceans for the countless souls that have suffered under your church! He would tell you that mankind does not need churches or palaces or priceless art to see God. God is inside each one of us. Understanding that and how to live a good life is not beyond the individual. Understand that and you understand the meaning of God. Belief in Catholocism is weakness. Understand yourself and your own strength, and pray from self-knowledge, as Baptists do.

Morton_toes: Feindevil: Morton_toes: Inflatable Rhetoric: I've noticed events called "acts of god" are not fun. Anyone else notice that?

Definitely noticed that also. Maybe we could form a committee and you know, maybe ask the "Big Guy" if that's really how it's got to be. Some sort of club or "society" where like minded individuals could get together and hate on everyone that doesn't have "Stars on thar's"....

//just a thought.

I am your Messiah and I am ready to take your questions....

/China? Moo moo my bad moo moo

My messiah plays a red strat & bears more than a passing resemblance to Jimi Hendrix.

/Not my messiah, Not yours.

Curses foiled again.... damn you hippies!!!!
/man im just on a roll today

Marla Singer's Laundry: danar75: catholic: Including or concerning all humankind; universal

I respect your right to express your opinion, TruBluBaptist, but please return the respect, hmmm? My relationship with God (and yes, I believe in Him), is my business, as yours is yours.

/proud to be Catholic, no matter what derogatory comments anyone wants to make
//pretty sure all religions have molestors of some sort
///many paths up the mountain

Tru is a troll and a half. Save your typing

And my BP, eh? Darn my fiery Irish personality! Thx for the concern, tho.

Feindevil: Morton_toes: Feindevil: Morton_toes: Inflatable Rhetoric: I've noticed events called "acts of god" are not fun. Anyone else notice that?

Definitely noticed that also. Maybe we could form a committee and you know, maybe ask the "Big Guy" if that's really how it's got to be. Some sort of club or "society" where like minded individuals could get together and hate on everyone that doesn't have "Stars on thar's"....

//just a thought.

I am your Messiah and I am ready to take your questions....

/China? Moo moo my bad moo moo

My messiah plays a red strat & bears more than a passing resemblance to Jimi Hendrix.

/Not my messiah, Not yours.

Curses tin-foiled again.... damn you hippies!!!!
/man im just on a roll today

FTFY

captain_heroic44: BrokenToilet: captain_heroic44: Are you a gnostic? Like, for real?

Yeah.

Do you accept the canonical gospels as authoritative, or just the gnostic ones?

/curious

I'm very sure at least some of the canonical gospels are corrupted. But I don't even accept everything in the Gnostic Gospels as authoritative.

In a way, I'm very guilty of picking and choosing.

On the other hand, Adam and Eve's first sin was learning the difference between good and evil. I know good from evil.

I know a good God doesn't condemn people to eternal torture for finite sin. That's evil. So I automatically know anything in any Gospel that suggests God does that is false. It's necessarily inconsistent with a God of good, and therefore cannot be true. It's a false teaching created by Earthly corrupters to increase their own power.

Really, when you start with that premise, that you know good from evil, a lot of things fall into place--like the Serpent being a messenger of light, for example, sent, like Jesus, to help liberate humanity from the false God who keeps us imprisoned.

Alright, now I'm off the deep end. But yeah, that's actually what I believe.

Start with the premise that you know good from evil, moreso than what some dusty book tells you is good and evil, and that's the starting place for what I believe.

See that's where you lose me. I don't think that people do know good from evil.

I think that I can tell Good from Evil, but there's too many gray areas.

BrokenToilet:
There's no reference to the earth being 6000 some odd years in the sequence.

Ah... a few minutes of research shows you're right: the text is from the Christmas Eve Vigil:

In the twenty-fourth day of the month of December; In the year five-thousand one-hundred and ninety-nine from the creation of the world, when in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth; In the year two-thousand nine-hundred and fifty-seven from the flood; In the year two-thousand and fifty-one from the birth of Abraham; In the year one-thousand five-hundred and ten from the going forth of the people of Israel out of Egypt under Moses; In the year one-thousand and thirty-two from the anointing of David as king; In the sixty-fifth week according to the prophecy of Daniel; In the one-hundred and ninety-fourth Olympiad; In the year seven-hundred and fifty-two from the foundation of the city of Rome; In the forty-second year of the reign of the Emperor Octavian Augustus; In the sixth age of the world, while the whole earth was at peace--

JESUS CHRIST

eternal God and the Son of the eternal Father, willing to consecrate the world by His gracious coming, having been con- ceived of the Holy Ghost, and the nine months of His conception being now accomplished, (all kneel) was born in Bethlehem of Judah of the Virgin Mary, made man. The birthday of our Lord Jesus Christ, according to the flesh.

Wouldn't let me post this pic for some reason, but

http://bp2.blogger.com/_wlGcLKAuOkc/SCnr2vjVVzI/AAAAAAAAABE/JGCM-gZhlMY/s1600-h/ TheTruthIsOutThere.jpg


if it's funny, someone feel free to rehost/post

TruBluBaptist: danar75: catholic: Including or concerning all humankind; universal

I respect your right to express your opinion, TruBluBaptist, but please return the respect, hmmm? My relationship with God (and yes, I believe in Him), is my business, as yours is yours.

/proud to be Catholic, no matter what derogatory comments anyone wants to make
//pretty sure all religions have molestors of some sort
///many paths up the mountain

Your church perverted the original meaning of the teachings of Jesus. Jesus, the son of God, was an extraordinary historical figure of the royal line of David who tried to unite the various factions of Israel against the Romans. The Romans had the last laugh and like any large corporation swallowed up the competition and rebranded it. What more could it ask for? A God nobody could see. A bible only the powerful were allowed to edit and indeed read. For centuries people have suffered under the yoke of tyranny that is the Pope and all his bishops. He is the Anti-Christ (if you can believe in that sort of thing). Millions have died at the behest of the Roman Church, from muslims to cathars to witches. The Roman church coluded with the Nazis. It's homosexual priests have with the full knowledge of the church raped young boys and been promoted. It burned John Tyndall at the stake for producing the supposed word of god in English so that ordinary people could try to understand what Christianity was about. It excluded those gospels from both testaments that did not suit their version of christianity. i.e. one of control.
Get real see the light. If Jesus were alive today sitting next to you he would weep oceans for the countless souls that have suffered under your church! He would tell you that mankind does not need churches or palaces or priceless art to see God. God is inside each one of us. Understanding that and how to live a good life is not beyond the individual. Understand that and you understand the meaning of God. Belief in Catholocism is weakness. Understand yourself and your own strength, and pray from self-knowledge, as Baptists do.

Your trolling is fascinating. Of course, you do realize you're reading from the Bible that was translated via the Catholic church, correct? Or from the Orthodox Church, which has the same origin as the Catholic. Unless you're reading from the Peshiatta version, but I'm pretty sure no church uses that.

TruBluBaptist: LOOK. The Catholic Church is EVIL....

Wait... Something is not quite right...

TruBluWestboroBaptist: LOOK. The Catholic Church is EVIL...

There. That's more like it.

TruBluBaptist: LOOK. The Catholic Church is EVIL. Ever heard about...their safe haven for homosexuals?

Ted Haggard.

Proctologist Iggy Poop:
SEND IN THE NUNS!!!!1!eleventy1!
This post is useless without pictures.
Recycled from a recent Fark PS contest

I'll be in my bunk.

SanDamiano: BrokenToilet:
There's no reference to the earth being 6000 some odd years in the sequence.

Ah... a few minutes of research shows you're right: the text is from the Christmas Eve Vigil:

In the twenty-fourth day of the month of December; In the year five-thousand one-hundred and ninety-nine from the creation of the world, when in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth; In the year two-thousand nine-hundred and fifty-seven from the flood; In the year two-thousand and fifty-one from the birth of Abraham; In the year one-thousand five-hundred and ten from the going forth of the people of Israel out of Egypt under Moses; In the year one-thousand and thirty-two from the anointing of David as king; In the sixty-fifth week according to the prophecy of Daniel; In the one-hundred and ninety-fourth Olympiad; In the year seven-hundred and fifty-two from the foundation of the city of Rome; In the forty-second year of the reign of the Emperor Octavian Augustus; In the sixth age of the world, while the whole earth was at peace--

JESUS CHRIST

eternal God and the Son of the eternal Father, willing to consecrate the world by His gracious coming, having been con- ceived of the Holy Ghost, and the nine months of His conception being now accomplished, (all kneel) was born in Bethlehem of Judah of the Virgin Mary, made man. The birthday of our Lord Jesus Christ, according to the flesh.

Aparently, that's an old translation. The new one from 1994 says
"unknown ages from the time when God created the heavens and the earth and then formed man and woman in his own image."

http://catholic-resources.org/ChurchDocs/ChristmasProclamation.htm

TruBluBaptist: danar75: catholic: Including or concerning all humankind; universal

I respect your right to express your opinion, TruBluBaptist, but please return the respect, hmmm? My relationship with God (and yes, I believe in Him), is my business, as yours is yours.

/proud to be Catholic, no matter what derogatory comments anyone wants to make
//pretty sure all religions have molestors of some sort
///many paths up the mountain

Your church perverted the original meaning of the teachings of Jesus. Jesus, the son of God, was an extraordinary historical figure of the royal line of David who tried to unite the various factions of Israel against the Romans. The Romans had the last laugh and like any large corporation swallowed up the competition and rebranded it. What more could it ask for? A God nobody could see. A bible only the powerful were allowed to edit and indeed read. For centuries people have suffered under the yoke of tyranny that is the Pope and all his bishops. He is the Anti-Christ (if you can believe in that sort of thing). Millions have died at the behest of the Roman Church, from muslims to cathars to witches. The Roman church coluded with the Nazis. It's homosexual priests have with the full knowledge of the church raped young boys and been promoted. It burned John Tyndall at the stake for producing the supposed word of god in English so that ordinary people could try to understand what Christianity was about. It excluded those gospels from both testaments that did not suit their version of christianity. i.e. one of control.
Get real see the light. If Jesus were alive today sitting next to you he would weep oceans for the countless souls that have suffered under your church! He would tell you that mankind does not need churches or palaces or priceless art to see God. God is inside each one of us. Understanding that and how to live a good life is not beyond the individual. Understand that and you understand the meaning of God. Belief in Catholocism is weakness. Understand yourself and your own strength, and pray from self-knowledge, as Baptists do.

Clever fellow. See the Gnostic in the thread, invoke Gnostic-like rhetoric.

You're so close, yet so far off.

There are two Supreme Commandments that came directly from Jesus.

1) Love God (the true God, not the false God who rules this world), and

2) Love thy neighbor as thyself.

Where Baptists go wrong is in thinking that those things have anything to do with a) the gender or race or number of people with whom you engage in sexual intercourse, b) voting Republican, c) waving an American flag, d) putting the 5000 pound 10 commandments monuments on your teachers' desks, e) torturing people at Gitmo, f) invading/bombing middle eastern countries.

The only question to determine whether you've sinned is whether you've acted inconsistently with those two commandments.

Making love to a member of your own gender isn't inconsistent with either of those commandments. You can love God, and you can love your neighbor, even if you make love with a member of your own gender. Same with making love with a member of a different race. You can love god, and you can love your neighbor, even if you don't believe it's appropriate to wave your American flag in excited patriotic furor because your country is torturing people at Gitmo and bombing people in the middle east.

If you have a law, you're enslaved to it. That's why the law--all of it--was abolished. The only law remaining is love. If you act inconsistently with love, you've sinned. That's it.

TruBluBaptist: danar75: catholic: Including or concerning all humankind; universal

I respect your right to express your opinion, TruBluBaptist, but please return the respect, hmmm? My relationship with God (and yes, I believe in Him), is my business, as yours is yours.

/proud to be Catholic, no matter what derogatory comments anyone wants to make
//pretty sure all religions have molestors of some sort
///many paths up the mountain

Your church perverted the original meaning of the teachings of Jesus. Jesus, the son of God, was an extraordinary historical figure of the royal line of David who tried to unite the various factions of Israel against the Romans. The Romans had the last laugh and like any large corporation swallowed up the competition and rebranded it. What more could it ask for? A God nobody could see. A bible only the powerful were allowed to edit and indeed read. For centuries people have suffered under the yoke of tyranny that is the Pope and all his bishops. He is the Anti-Christ (if you can believe in that sort of thing). Millions have died at the behest of the Roman Church, from muslims to cathars to witches. The Roman church coluded with the Nazis. It's homosexual priests have with the full knowledge of the church raped young boys and been promoted. It burned John Tyndall at the stake for producing the supposed word of god in English so that ordinary people could try to understand what Christianity was about. It excluded those gospels from both testaments that did not suit their version of christianity. i.e. one of control.
Get real see the light. If Jesus were alive today sitting next to you he would weep oceans for the countless souls that have suffered under your church! He would tell you that mankind does not need churches or palaces or priceless art to see God. God is inside each one of us. Understanding that and how to live a good life is not beyond the individual. Understand that and you understand the meaning of God. Belief in Catholocism is weakness. Understand yourself and your own strength, and pray from self-knowledge, as Baptists do.

Jesus would have a lot of problems with a lot of people, Catholics and Baptists alike.

captain_heroic44: Clever fellow. See the Gnostic in the thread, invoke Gnostic-like rhetoric.

There is more to this troll than meets the eye...

TruBluBaptist: Catholics don't believe in God. Their Church is a mafia like clan that spreads false dogma and encourages people to lead secular lives. They distort Christianity. The Bible tells me how to live my life, not some wacko, alien seeing, child molesting homosexual priest.

My goodness. I haven't seen that sort of commentary since the one time I attended a fire-and-brimstone church and heard their pastor wish the Pope would be saved. I'm surprised you didn't manage to work in the lines about what they make the Communion wafers out of that your kind ripped off from the anti-Semites.

Oh, and your vaunted King James deleted some of the more amusing books of the Old Testament, too, so not only are you using the Bible the Catholics created, you're using the Cliff Notes version.

/Raised Catholic
//Went Presbyterian
///Switched to Southern Baptist
//Now a much happier pagan

danar75: TruBluBaptist: danar75: catholic: Including or concerning all humankind; universal

I respect your right to express your opinion, TruBluBaptist, but please return the respect, hmmm? My relationship with God (and yes, I believe in Him), is my business, as yours is yours.

/proud to be Catholic, no matter what derogatory comments anyone wants to make
//pretty sure all religions have molestors of some sort
///many paths up the mountain

Your church perverted the original meaning of the teachings of Jesus. Jesus, the son of God, was an extraordinary historical figure of the royal line of David who tried to unite the various factions of Israel against the Romans. The Romans had the last laugh and like any large corporation swallowed up the competition and rebranded it. What more could it ask for? A God nobody could see. A bible only the powerful were allowed to edit and indeed read. For centuries people have suffered under the yoke of tyranny that is the Pope and all his bishops. He is the Anti-Christ (if you can believe in that sort of thing). Millions have died at the behest of the Roman Church, from muslims to cathars to witches. The Roman church coluded with the Nazis. It's homosexual priests have with the full knowledge of the church raped young boys and been promoted. It burned John Tyndall at the stake for producing the supposed word of god in English so that ordinary people could try to understand what Christianity was about. It excluded those gospels from both testaments that did not suit their version of christianity. i.e. one of control.
Get real see the light. If Jesus were alive today sitting next to you he would weep oceans for the countless souls that have suffered under your church! He would tell you that mankind does not need churches or palaces or priceless art to see God. God is inside each one of us. Understanding that and how to live a good life is not beyond the individual. Understand that and you understand the meaning of God. Belief in Catholocism is weakness. Understand yourself and your own strength, and pray from self-knowledge, as Baptists do.

Jesus would have a lot of problems with a lot of people, Catholics and Baptists alike.

From the way I understand things, Jesus would probably be all like, "It's cool babies, y'all are operating from a very limited perspective and I forgive you for your shortcomings in this respect, it's what I do... IT'S ALL I DO!"

Morton_toes: danar75: TruBluBaptist: danar75: catholic: Including or concerning all humankind; universal

I respect your right to express your opinion, TruBluBaptist, but please return the respect, hmmm? My relationship with God (and yes, I believe in Him), is my business, as yours is yours.

/proud to be Catholic, no matter what derogatory comments anyone wants to make
//pretty sure all religions have molestors of some sort
///many paths up the mountain

Your church perverted the original meaning of the teachings of Jesus. Jesus, the son of God, was an extraordinary historical figure of the royal line of David who tried to unite the various factions of Israel against the Romans. The Romans had the last laugh and like any large corporation swallowed up the competition and rebranded it. What more could it ask for? A God nobody could see. A bible only the powerful were allowed to edit and indeed read. For centuries people have suffered under the yoke of tyranny that is the Pope and all his bishops. He is the Anti-Christ (if you can believe in that sort of thing). Millions have died at the behest of the Roman Church, from muslims to cathars to witches. The Roman church coluded with the Nazis. It's homosexual priests have with the full knowledge of the church raped young boys and been promoted. It burned John Tyndall at the stake for producing the supposed word of god in English so that ordinary people could try to understand what Christianity was about. It excluded those gospels from both testaments that did not suit their version of christianity. i.e. one of control.
Get real see the light. If Jesus were alive today sitting next to you he would weep oceans for the countless souls that have suffered under your church! He would tell you that mankind does not need churches or palaces or priceless art to see God. God is inside each one of us. Understanding that and how to live a good life is not beyond the individual. Understand that and you understand the meaning of God. Belief in Catholocism is weakness. Understand yourself and your own strength, and pray from self-knowledge, as Baptists do.

Jesus would have a lot of problems with a lot of people, Catholics and Baptists alike.

From the way I understand things, Jesus would probably be all like, "It's cool babies, y'all are operating from a very limited perspective and I forgive you for your shortcomings in this respect, it's what I do... IT'S ALL I DO!"

some how I see the rest of that as
"puff puff give puff puff give. Your screwing with the rotation!"

ereiv: captain_heroic44: BrokenToilet: captain_heroic44: Are you a gnostic? Like, for real?

Yeah.

Do you accept the canonical gospels as authoritative, or just the gnostic ones?

/curious

I'm very sure at least some of the canonical gospels are corrupted. But I don't even accept everything in the Gnostic Gospels as authoritative.

In a way, I'm very guilty of picking and choosing.

On the other hand, Adam and Eve's first sin was learning the difference between good and evil. I know good from evil.

I know a good God doesn't condemn people to eternal torture for finite sin. That's evil. So I automatically know anything in any Gospel that suggests God does that is false. It's necessarily inconsistent with a God of good, and therefore cannot be true. It's a false teaching created by Earthly corrupters to increase their own power.

Really, when you start with that premise, that you know good from evil, a lot of things fall into place--like the Serpent being a messenger of light, for example, sent, like Jesus, to help liberate humanity from the false God who keeps us imprisoned.

Alright, now I'm off the deep end. But yeah, that's actually what I believe.

Start with the premise that you know good from evil, moreso than what some dusty book tells you is good and evil, and that's the starting place for what I believe.

See that's where you lose me. I don't think that people do know good from evil.

I think that I can tell Good from Evil, but there's too many gray areas.

There are a lot of gray areas when it comes down to specifics.

But let's paint with the broad brush for a moment.

1) Torture. It's evil right? Rendering someone helpless and inflicting severe pain on them; disfiguring them; injuring them. That's just bad.

Yet in the book of Matthew, Jesus says that what God does to people. He really does.

2) Genocide. That's evil. Yet that's what God does to the human race during the flood. Wipes us all out except Noah and his family. Hitler would be jealous at the efficiency.

3) Killing babies. That's evil. The religious right makes a big hoot about this all the time, how the abortionists are out killing babies by the thousands. Yet God himself slaughtered all the firstborn of Egypt. Now in all of Egypt, surely there were some babies. God--babykiller.

4) Killing children. That's evil. But the prophet Elisha is walking out of the forest when some kids come along and call him "baldy." No shiat. That's what it says. "Baldy." So using God's power, he summons a pair of she-bears, who rip 42 kids limb from limb, killing them.

Yet Christians worship this motherfarker as a God of good?

Don't tell me you don't know good from evil in that broad sense.

Okay, maybe you don't know whether it's better to follow your boss's orders (fulfilling your job obligation) when he tells you to fark over a customer (wronging a client). But in the big picture stuff, you can't possibly think that torture, genocide, and infanticide are acceptable.

Once you've crossed that hurdle, you start realizng "if there's any merit to this religion, I've got to use my own judgment to figure out what it is. Coz it sure ain't written plain in the text."

Feindevil: Morton_toes: danar75: TruBluBaptist: danar75: catholic: Including or concerning all humankind; universal

I respect your right to express your opinion, TruBluBaptist, but please return the respect, hmmm? My relationship with God (and yes, I believe in Him), is my business, as yours is yours.

/proud to be Catholic, no matter what derogatory comments anyone wants to make
//pretty sure all religions have molestors of some sort
///many paths up the mountain

Your church perverted the original meaning of the teachings of Jesus. Jesus, the son of God, was an extraordinary historical figure of the royal line of David who tried to unite the various factions of Israel against the Romans. The Romans had the last laugh and like any large corporation swallowed up the competition and rebranded it. What more could it ask for? A God nobody could see. A bible only the powerful were allowed to edit and indeed read. For centuries people have suffered under the yoke of tyranny that is the Pope and all his bishops. He is the Anti-Christ (if you can believe in that sort of thing). Millions have died at the behest of the Roman Church, from muslims to cathars to witches. The Roman church coluded with the Nazis. It's homosexual priests have with the full knowledge of the church raped young boys and been promoted. It burned John Tyndall at the stake for producing the supposed word of god in English so that ordinary people could try to understand what Christianity was about. It excluded those gospels from both testaments that did not suit their version of christianity. i.e. one of control.
Get real see the light. If Jesus were alive today sitting next to you he would weep oceans for the countless souls that have suffered under your church! He would tell you that mankind does not need churches or palaces or priceless art to see God. God is inside each one of us. Understanding that and how to live a good life is not beyond the individual. Understand that and you understand the meaning of God. Belief in Catholocism is weakness. Understand yourself and your own strength, and pray from self-knowledge, as Baptists do.

Jesus would have a lot of problems with a lot of people, Catholics and Baptists alike.

From the way I understand things, Jesus would probably be all like, "It's cool babies, y'all are operating from a very limited perspective and I forgive you for your shortcomings in this respect, it's what I do... IT'S ALL I DO!"

some how I see the rest of that as
"puff puff give puff puff give. Your screwing with the rotation!"

Right_zactly! Jesus Christ, pass to the left ya douch... oops, sorry.

TruBluBaptist: blah, un-Christian hate, blah blah blah, holier than though attitude typical of baptists, blah blah. the pope is the anti-christ, blah blah blah.

Methinks you'd cause Jesus to stop weeping and do a bit of biatch-slappin' for you being so presumptious.

Morton_toes: Right_zactly! Jesus Christ, pass to the left ya douch... oops, sorry.

That does it! To my FAVS with you sir!!!!

Only on fark can a headline like this require the posting of hot nun pics.

/hope Drew doesn't come in here & take them away.

captain_heroic44: 4) Killing children. That's evil. But the prophet Elisha is walking out of the forest when some kids come along and call him "baldy." No shiat. That's what it says. "Baldy." So using God's power, he summons a pair of she-bears, who rip 42 kids limb from limb, killing them.

I don't know, the idea of her getting some she-bears to rip me limb from limb seems a little kinky, not evil.

Doh, I was going to make a comment about 'old baldy' in my previous post as well. Oh well :(

Feindevil: Morton_toes: Right_zactly! Jesus Christ, pass to the left ya douch... oops, sorry.

That does it! To my FAVS with you sir!!!!

Ha Ha, new here but have been lurking since the Czar / Rotsky era.
LOVE this place!

////slashies!!

sterben: captain_heroic44: 4) Killing children. That's evil. But the prophet Elisha is walking out of the forest when some kids come along and call him "baldy." No shiat. That's what it says. "Baldy." So using God's power, he summons a pair of she-bears, who rip 42 kids limb from limb, killing them.

I don't know, the idea of her getting some she-bears to rip me limb from limb seems a little kinky, not evil.

Old Testament Elisha was an old bald dude, sterben. Being torn limb from limb by him would totally not have been kinky.

Sorry.

Morton_toes:
From the way I understand things, Jesus would probably be all like, "It's cool babies, y'all are operating from a very limited perspective and I forgive you for your shortcomings in this respect, it's what I do... IT'S ALL I DO!"

Haha, Jesus likes Swingers! The movie, anyway. :-P

Agreed, though. Jesus is cool like dat.

TruBluBaptist: Catholics don't believe in God. Their Church is a mafia like clan that spreads false dogma and encourages people to lead secular lives. They distort Christianity. The Bible tells me how to live my life, not some wacko, alien seeing, child molesting homosexual priest.

Ok. I normally avoid feeding the trolls, but are you off your nut? That's the only excuse I can come up with that doesn't involve head injury or lead paint chips. You, sir, are a flaming moron.

Catholics don't believe in God? What rabid televangelist sold you that one? Try actually attending mass before you bash Catholicism, lest you come off as an ignorant douchnozzle.

Also, that bible of yours (not capitalized intentionally), the King James Version... Yeah, that was ALTERED by King James, who wanted a religion to follow his beliefs instead of what the Bible really said.

Granted they were all written by men, but at least mine wasn't so overtly bastardized.


Maybe some of Catholicism isn't pretty, but at least we're allowed to dance.

/Is dancing right now.
//Neener neener neener
///Religious bickering is stupid. Let's all just pick on the furries.

I wish I could take this thread home with me. Can't wait to see what happens tomorrow!

/cut off internets at home cause i'm moving soon.

Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.
Arthur C. Clarke, "Profiles of The Future", 1961 (pops)

Anyone dropping in on folks from "biblical times" would very easily be treated as God by the locals. Not so hard to believe. Occams Razor, the simplest theory is usually right.

churches and organized religions are all about power, they have lost most of their connection to the underlying dogma. Take for example the case of homosexuals in the church and its power structure. For the better part of 2000 yrs they have been specifically excluded. Now, all of the sudden they are a relatively affluent demographic and 2000 yrs of "tradition" goes out the window so that they can become priests, rectors whatever. Not saying that that is good or bad but it does point out the massive hypocracy that is modern religion.

TruBluBaptist: Catholics don't believe in God. Their Church is a mafia like clan that spreads false dogma and encourages people to lead secular lives. They distort Christianity. The Bible tells me how to live my life, not some wacko, alien seeing, child molesting homosexual priest.

You make a lot more enemies than friends for Jesus when you hatefully attack people. You may be the only Bible some folks ever read. For all you know, there may be people who are undecided about Christianity who hear you lash out with anger and calumny and decide they want nothing to do with Jesus at all, if you're one of his proponents. I wouldn't want that on my record come Judgment Day.

Some "fisher of men" you are -- with 'friends' like you, Jesus is pretty much guaranteed a steady supply of enemies.

Well done, TruBluBaptist. Just look at all the morans you've outed! I don't think I've ever seen a troll successfully dupe so many people in one thread. Hahahaha! Classic!

CaptFun: Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.
Arthur C. Clarke, "Profiles of The Future". Not saying that that is good or bad but it does point out the massive hypocricy that is modern religion.

A minor adjustment

BRENDAN-FACE: ArcadianRefugee: ereiv: I'm genuinely curious - where does the church say that you can't be a creationist?

They don't so much say "you can't" as they do "massive amounts of scientific evidence points to an Earth that is several billion years old; therefore, it is kind of silly to take the Genesis account as literal. This is the Official Stance of the Vatican".

Mind you, during their services (at least as of ~8 years ago) they still refer to this being the "5,987th (or whatever) year of Creation". But I suppose the point is they make a differentiation between reality and ritual.

What service was that? I've been going to Catholic Mass my entire life & I've never heard a reference to what year of creation we are in.

It's in the Easter Vigil Mass, either that or the Good Friday Service (not a Mass)

TruBluBaptist: danar75: catholic: Including or concerning all humankind; universal

I respect your right to express your opinion, TruBluBaptist, but please return the respect, hmmm? My relationship with God (and yes, I believe in Him), is my business, as yours is yours.

/proud to be Catholic, no matter what derogatory comments anyone wants to make
//pretty sure all religions have molestors of some sort
///many paths up the mountain

Your church perverted the original meaning of the teachings of Jesus. Jesus, the son of God, was an extraordinary historical figure of the royal line of David who tried to unite the various factions of Israel against the Romans. The Romans had the last laugh and like any large corporation swallowed up the competition and rebranded it. What more could it ask for? A God nobody could see. A bible only the powerful were allowed to edit and indeed read. For centuries people have suffered under the yoke of tyranny that is the Pope and all his bishops. He is the Anti-Christ (if you can believe in that sort of thing). Millions have died at the behest of the Roman Church, from muslims to cathars to witches. The Roman church coluded with the Nazis. It's homosexual priests have with the full knowledge of the church raped young boys and been promoted. It burned John Tyndall at the stake for producing the supposed word of god in English so that ordinary people could try to understand what Christianity was about. It excluded those gospels from both testaments that did not suit their version of christianity. i.e. one of control.
Get real see the light. If Jesus were alive today sitting next to you he would weep oceans for the countless souls that have suffered under your church! He would tell you that mankind does not need churches or palaces or priceless art to see God. God is inside each one of us. Understanding that and how to live a good life is not beyond the individual. Understand that and you understand the meaning of God. Belief in Catholocism is weakness. Understand yourself and your own strength, and pray from self-knowledge, as Baptists do.

4/10 - Needs more vitriol...I'm just not feeling it.

/submitted this with a better headline
//The Vatican wants to believe.

TruBluBaptist: Catholics don't believe in God. Their Church is a mafia like clan that spreads false dogma and encourages people to lead secular lives. They distort Christianity. The Bible tells me how to live my life, not some wacko, alien seeing, child molesting homosexual priest.

Originally, I was only going to give you a 2/10 because I thought most people would see right through your troll. I was wrong... 8/10.

Congrats!