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2008-05-09 06:34:10 PM
I recently purchased a copy of DOS 6.22 on eBay, so I'm really getting a kick out of the replies that will follow....
 
2008-05-09 06:46:16 PM
I miss DOS. It had a simple elegance to it.
 
2008-05-09 06:57:19 PM
BKITU: I recently purchased a copy of DOS 6.22 on eBay, so I'm really getting a kick out of the replies that will follow....

How many floppies did you get?
 
2008-05-09 06:58:18 PM
C: DOS
C: DOS/RUN
C: RUN/DOS/RUN

/Dennis Miller Quotient
 
2008-05-09 07:02:09 PM
eddyatwork: I miss DOS. It had a simple elegance to it.

I miss it because it required a functional brain to use. It wasn't terribly simple unless you took the time to learn the commands and the usage/syntax. As a result, it kept a crapload of semi-retarded people off computers and, therefore, BBS systems were populated by at least reasonably intelligent people (most of the time - they were usually still dicks, though).

When windows rolled around, all that went to hell and now we have the intertubes. :(
 
2008-05-09 07:02:58 PM
Isotope: BKITU: I recently purchased a copy of DOS 6.22 on eBay, so I'm really getting a kick out of the replies that will follow....

How many floppies did you get?


Three, plus the manual and the Genuine® Microsoft® holographic seal of approval.

Oh, and since it was an unopened OEM, and the OEM license requires that it be shipped "with hardware," the seller included a length of RJ-45.
 
2008-05-09 07:11:52 PM
C:/fark comment
 
2008-05-09 07:31:12 PM
Yeah, I read this article this morning. And when I got to that part a little part of me died inside. Ancient. Alrighty.

I spent most of the morning crying. Mostly because I was sitting on my nutsack, but still.....
 
2008-05-09 07:32:32 PM
An old IT manager I had once gave me this gem.. back when it was Windows 95

"Windows is nothing more than DOS in a clown suit"

I really liked that guy
 
2008-05-09 07:33:31 PM
Skail: As a result, it kept a crapload of semi-retarded people off computers

I work for a online information retrieval service that we'll call Eastlaw that has been around since the 1970s. When we went from our old system that required users to enter search commands to do a search to a more Windows friendly type of system we got a ton of complaints from librarians. They had the old system down cold and could create an incredibly precise search with a series of commands, something that couldn't be duplicated with the new system very easily. We had to add in a command prompt window, which remains almost a decade later.
 
2008-05-09 07:33:51 PM
Crosshair: This is an RJ-45, the only way you can get a length of it is to melt it.

Well, if you want to have a smart-ass-geek-off, the RJ-45s aren't mathematical points, so length is in fact an attribute they possess.

/verily, also width, height, and duration
//my math-fu is weak regarding n-dimensional manifolds
 
2008-05-09 07:40:57 PM
BKITU: Well, if you want to have a smart-ass-geek-off, the RJ-45s aren't mathematical points, so length is in fact an attribute they possess.

Touche. You have me there. So what length of RJ-45 did they give you?
 
2008-05-09 07:57:53 PM
fark the GUIverse. I've got missiles to launch!
 
2008-05-09 08:06:21 PM
Skail: eddyatwork: I miss DOS. It had a simple elegance to it.

I miss it because it required a functional brain to use. It wasn't terribly simple unless you took the time to learn the commands and the usage/syntax. As a result, it kept a crapload of semi-retarded people off computers and, therefore, BBS systems were populated by at least reasonably intelligent people (most of the time - they were usually still dicks, though).

When windows rolled around, all that went to hell and now we have the intertubes. :(


I'm sorry, but you're an idiot. If we didn't have the money of those "semi-retarded" people flooding the computing industry we wouldn't have all those amazing advancements in the field of computing. Take your bullshiat elitism elsewhere.
 
2008-05-09 08:10:11 PM
Skail: I miss it because it required a functional brain to use.

Very true. I had a Tandy 1000 EX which was a bastard of a machine. I got the memory upgraded up to 768k (no shiat!) and I was able to use the additional to load things like pctools, a print spooler, and ted (the predecessor of notepad) into higher memory so I had something like 624k of memory free. Remember, right before Windows, it was common to run out of memory, especially for games. With windows, you don't have the drive to use clever solutions and indeed it's almost impossible anyway.
 
2008-05-09 08:14:14 PM
isaaczeke: we wouldn't have all those amazing advancements in the field of computing

I disagree. Most of the real innovation came before the mid 90s. Think about it.

CPU - 8088, 8086, 286, 386, 486, Pentium. We still use the Pentium.
Graphics - mono, CGA, EGA, VGA. We still use VGA.
Sound - monotone speaker, 8 bit, 16 bit. We still use this.
Printers - dot matrix, inkjet, laser. We still use lasers.

Innovation has pretty much died. The computers are faster, but they aren't really making anything new and exciting anymore.
 
2008-05-09 08:55:18 PM
Crosshair: So what length of RJ-45 did they give you?

About 10 feet of cabling. I figured there's always a use for it somewhere.

At the very least, I can fashion a noose for myself for having spent money on a 14-year-old operating system.
 
2008-05-09 10:00:43 PM
BKITU: Crosshair: So what length of RJ-45 did they give you?

About 10 feet of cabling. I figured there's always a use for it somewhere.

At the very least, I can fashion a noose for myself for having spent money on a 14-year-old operating system.


Can you still find hardware to run it, or are you going to do some kind of emulation/virtualization. Most of my dos era hardware is barely functioning, and is currently taking up space in some closet.
 
2008-05-09 10:04:24 PM
kidsizedcoffin: Can you still find hardware to run it, or are you going to do some kind of emulation/virtualization. Most of my dos era hardware is barely functioning, and is currently taking up space in some closet.

My company has a bunch of working legacy hardware rotting in a hallway, up for grabs. Pentium-2s are the beefiest machines in that lot, and several of them proudly bear the "Made for Windows95" sticker. 6.22 should work nicely on any of them.

/now where did I put my Windows 3.1 and OS/2 Warp discs?
 
2008-05-09 10:09:41 PM
I use DOS just about every day.

I get a ton of little files I need to manipulate and move around, the command line is a lot faster than the GUI sometimes.

/they won't let me install grep for windows, so I have to make do with the "find" command.
//it's hell.
 
2008-05-09 10:10:03 PM
Stupid kids. Get off my lawn.

I had a Timex Sinclair 1000 with a RAM expander pack - and I entered programs in HEX straight out of the pages of a magazine, and backed them up to audio cassette.

Boy, did I feel special when I upgraded to a C=64 with a 1541.

/Still using DOS to this day for bootable floppies and flash drives.
 
2008-05-09 10:10:30 PM
DOS and GWBASIC were my best friends for a long time. I used to be able to hack through and override our company's phone switchboard system, could dial long distance and make it look like the calls were made through any extension I chose. Also could make strange messages appear on users' PCs when they logged onto the network, if I felt like having a little fun.

It was mostly all in fun. But a certain amount of it was also for job security. For example, I had a batch file on the server that would check for the existence of my username subdirectories, if they ever went away (for example if I were terminated and my username deleted) a mass erasure on the network would ensue.

Ah, the good old days...
 
2008-05-09 10:17:25 PM
i102.photobucket.com

?
 
2008-05-09 10:23:51 PM
Lokeyslave: It was mostly all in fun. But a certain amount of it was also for job security. For example, I had a batch file on the server that would check for the existence of my username subdirectories, if they ever went away (for example if I were terminated and my username deleted) a mass erasure on the network would ensue.

I wonder if I could do that for when my job gets outsourced. We still use a version of DOS to do some of the behind the scenes work, which can be accessed from any machine. But I think they are using a new server system, so I don't know how I can get it on there. Though I suppose I could make it so the last few days we don't have anything to do.
 
2008-05-09 10:31:09 PM
People need to get a grip. I'm 21 and I remember using DOS for years. Hard to compare DOS to, for example, the Roman Empire in terms of history.
 
2008-05-09 10:33:51 PM
Fubini: Hard to compare DOS to, for example, the Roman Empire in terms of history.

No it's not. One of them elevated its leader to godlike status with vast holdings and interests around the known world, and the other is the Roman Empire.
 
2008-05-09 10:40:16 PM
Unsung_Hero: /Still using DOS to this day for bootable floppies and flash drives.

May I ask why? With UBCD (new window) on a flash drive (and CD in case I'm dealing with an old computer that doesn't allow booting from USB), I couldn't imagine any reason to have it. Between that, and a linux install with ntfs-3g installed on a flash drive, there's really very little that I can't handle.
 
2008-05-09 10:59:03 PM
I'm running CP/M 3.1 on a Kaypro emulator, so I am getting a kick out of what WTOP thinks is ancient.

Also has RT-11 and Ultrix running on a DEC PDP-11 emulator. Now that's farking older than I am.
 
2008-05-09 11:20:52 PM
ryebread: Unsung_Hero: /Still using DOS to this day for bootable floppies and flash drives.

May I ask why?


Simple - I'm usually running Ghost, and all I need for that is DOS. There's no need to update my tools if they work.
 
2008-05-10 12:05:50 AM
Fubini: People need to get a grip. I'm 21 and I remember using DOS for years. Hard to compare DOS to, for example, the Roman Empire in terms of history.

I'm 24. Local TV "news reporters" are idiots.
 
2008-05-10 12:44:04 AM
Subby should consider the fact that were other DOS's before MS-DOS.
 
2008-05-10 01:02:13 AM
Old computers still have their uses. The stuff on the shuttle is all dedicated equipment. Some it used to monitor individual systems. You don't need A Quad Core processor to do a calculators job. I know someone that still uses a 486 in their movie theater. It runs the program that prints the tickets. He will never need anything with more power to do the job.
 
2008-05-10 01:05:09 AM
MusicMakeMyHeadPound: /they won't let me install grep for windows, so I have to make do with the "find" command.

You just haven't looked hard enough. Download UnxUtils, unzip them into a folder, add that folder to your PATH, and there you go.
 
2008-05-10 01:16:10 AM
Damn, I miss my 1040st some times.
 
axd
2008-05-10 02:11:37 AM
Wow, that makes me feel old. And I'm 23.

/suck that, old farkers
//remember that song by Van Halen, "Jump?"
///I wasn't born yet.
 
2008-05-10 02:25:39 AM
pintoboy: Old computers still have their uses. The stuff on the shuttle is all dedicated equipment. Some it used to monitor individual systems. You don't need A Quad Core processor to do a calculators job. I know someone that still uses a 486 in their movie theater. It runs the program that prints the tickets. He will never need anything with more power to do the job.

I have an old boss who I stay in touch with that keeps a 33MHz 486 DOS machine around for the circuit board layout program he's had since the mid 80's (which was originally written for CPM!). He has to keep the turbo off to keep the bus speed down so the hardware key will work properly. We tried hacking the program a few times over the years with no success.

Me and a few other kids, while we were in college, designed all the layouts he would ever need, so there is no point in updating the software and re-inventing things.

Then again, when i was there in the mid 90's, he had his first layouts still around: they where done by hand. I get full size construction drawings these days that are smaller than these beasts
 
2008-05-10 02:51:57 AM
BKITU

Fubini: Hard to compare DOS to, for example, the Roman Empire in terms of history.

No it's not. One of them elevated its leader to godlike status with vast holdings and interests around the known world, and the other is the Roman Empire.


This thread contains vast amounts of win.

/particularly in that post
 
2008-05-10 02:54:04 AM
Cykeo: BKITU

Fubini: Hard to compare DOS to, for example, the Roman Empire in terms of history.

No it's not. One of them elevated its leader to godlike status with vast holdings and interests around the known world, and the other is the Roman Empire.

This thread contains vast amounts of win.

/particularly in that post


I agree, but I only had 640k to post, that aught to be enough for anyone.
 
2008-05-10 02:59:35 AM
eddyatwork: isaaczeke: we wouldn't have all those amazing advancements in the field of computing

I disagree. Most of the real innovation came before the mid 90s. Think about it.

CPU - 8088, 8086, 286, 386, 486, Pentium. We still use the Pentium.
Graphics - mono, CGA, EGA, VGA. We still use VGA.
Sound - monotone speaker, 8 bit, 16 bit. We still use this.
Printers - dot matrix, inkjet, laser. We still use lasers.

Innovation has pretty much died. The computers are faster, but they aren't really making anything new and exciting anymore.


There's a boatload of fail in your post.
CPU - now housing mainframes in "desktop" computers.
Graphics - Now in glorious 3d, 32-bit colour, with multiple dedicated processors to do the job.
Sound - now with much more memory and more voices to be able to be played. You've never played on old school machines if you don't recognize this cap.
Printers: Lasers now are smaller than a floor-standing unit and buyable for the consumer, rather than a farking business. Not to mention faster, and in higher quality.

And that's just talking about the same crap you were, without talking about some of the other neat stuff, like optical drives, LCD monitors, optical mice, and so on.
 
2008-05-10 03:10:36 AM
eddyatwork: isaaczeke: we wouldn't have all those amazing advancements in the field of computing

I disagree. Most of the real innovation came before the mid 90s. Think about it.

CPU - 8088, 8086, 286, 386, 486, Pentium. We still use the Pentium.
Graphics - mono, CGA, EGA, VGA. We still use VGA.
Sound - monotone speaker, 8 bit, 16 bit. We still use this.
Printers - dot matrix, inkjet, laser. We still use lasers.

Innovation has pretty much died. The computers are faster, but they aren't really making anything new and exciting anymore.


Um, what? We've progressed way beyond those technologies (except maybe the printers). Yeah, we still use the basic technology, but we've gone far beyond it. Hyperthreaded multicore chips, SVGA & XGA+ displays, digital surround sound, DDR2 SDRAM, not to mention the maturation of video cards, LCDs, USB devices, home wireless, and much, much more. With even more exponential advances on the software side. And that's not even counting spin offs like smartphones, gps, and the whole internet phenomenon. There's been a huge burst of innovation and technological growth since the days of DOS; it makes no sense to deny it.
 
2008-05-10 04:08:30 AM
I remember getting any game (mostly FPS's like Quarantine, the OG cab and kill game) using the DOS 4 GW Engine.

I miss those days, and I miss DOS.

It's not an elitism thing, honestly, if I could say... run Wordperfect, Webbrowser, ETC, without needing all this GUI crap you'd bet your sweet ass I'd be using DOS.

/It pwns.
//Anyone use FREEDOS or any of the open source-ish DOS os's?
 
2008-05-10 04:33:04 AM
Unsung_HeroStupid kids. Get off my lawn.

I had a Timex Sinclair 1000 with a RAM expander pack - and I entered programs in HEX straight out of the pages of a magazine, and backed them up to audio cassette.

Boy, did I feel special when I upgraded to a C=64 with a 1541.


Step right on over here my friend. I started out on a TI99-4A with that massive 16k of memory. Ahh, I remember the excitement of trying to reload my hand typed programs from a cassette recorder. Seems like half the time it wouldn't load right and I'd have to reopen the file and decode the damn thing.

I thought I'd have orgasims of joy when I upgraded to a C-64 with a DISC DRIVE!!!!!

/My lawn, get off of it.
//except unsung
 
2008-05-10 05:01:07 AM
isaaczeke: Take your bullshiat elitism elsewhere.

I smell a lot of butthurt here...

FYI, those morons who've invaded the internet are NOT the reason the computer industry thrives. It's always been the major players (banking, research, inventory systems, etc.) which drive the computer industry. The average morons could go back to watching TV all day and the computer industry would still turn a profit. Hell, it might even be more profitable without all the botnets and viruses and crap.
 
2008-05-10 06:17:21 AM
Dinjiin: I'm running CP/M 3.1 on a Kaypro emulator, so I am getting a kick out of what WTOP thinks is ancient.

Emulator? I'm on an actual Kaypro II.

//OK, I'm mainly mad that you made this comment before I could.
 
2008-05-10 06:24:23 AM
last year I bought a computer at a car boot sale for £5 and it had DOS 4 on it. They don't make them like that any more.. full of dust and spider eggs.


/slashy ends my insignificant contribution to this thread.
 
2008-05-10 06:58:22 AM
Pixelvision: last year I bought a computer at a car boot sale for £5 and it had DOS 4 on it. They don't make them like that any more.. full of dust and spider eggs.

DOS 4 is the bastard child that never should have been born.

As far as I'm concerned, there is nothing between version 3.3 and 5.0.

5 was monumental.
 
2008-05-10 07:23:55 AM
The real WTF here is that in a mission launched in 2003, they used DOS. Linux was already over 10 years old at that time, and free.
No wonder the damn thing blew up.
 
2008-05-10 07:43:46 AM
Timex Sinclair! Remember those well. I got mine for free when I bought living room furniture. It had 2K of memory as I recall. BASIC commands were "tokenized" to help save space in memory. You connected it to your home TV via a sometimes-dysfunctional RF converter dongle.

My first "real" computer - TRS-80 (Model II, BUDDY!) with 16K RAM. Cassette data storage. Think I paid about a grand for it. I'll tell ya, that system was EXCITING! It had me on the edge of my seat, each time you tried to load or save anything on tape you just never knew if it was going to complete successfully. (And it took about 10 minutes for you to find out!)

READY
>_
 
2008-05-10 08:54:56 AM
DeWayne Mann: MusicMakeMyHeadPound: /they won't let me install grep for windows, so I have to make do with the "find" command.

You just haven't looked hard enough. Download UnxUtils, unzip them into a folder, add that folder to your PATH, and there you go.


Changing the environment variables in Windows is apparently prohibited by the company's group policy or I wouldn't be complaining about this. I originally had GnuWin32's grep for windows under Program Files and put a batch file in c:\windows that would go out and call it, but that and the folder mysteriously disappeared off the hard drive.

I also couldn't help but notice that they added Fark to their blacklisted sites after that (prohibited due to being a social networking site, it says). No one's actually said anything to me though. I'm starting to think security is a tad bit passive aggressive.

I did get them to spring for a nice expensive copy of UltraEdit at least. That lets you search files in a directory. No handy recursion function that I've found yet unfortunately..

I love the corporate mentality though: if we're not paying out the ass there must be something wrong with it.

/the key is to use that to your advantage, I guess
 
2008-05-10 09:07:23 AM
DOS is not an "operating system" per se but mearly a collection of subroutines.

// discuss

/// Do college students major in "Computer Science" anymore? Does anyone study/write lexical analyzers, parsers and compilers anymore?

//// yeah, that's right -- get off my lawn!
 
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