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(KnoxNews)   If you were homeschooled and now work for the State of Tennessee, the Department of Education would like a word with you   (knoxnews.com) divider line 132
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2008-05-09 10:31:46 AM  
I can't imagine why the Department of Education would say "no." No, can't think of a single reason.
 
2008-05-09 10:33:16 AM  
jonhoward.typepad.com
 
2008-05-09 10:49:05 AM  
Rockwood police officer John Evans may lose his job if a bill validating his homeschooling fails to pass the Legislature soon and, he says, at least six drug arrests he has made would be dismissed.


At least there's a bright side.
 
2008-05-09 11:06:08 AM  
Does homoschooling count?
 
2008-05-09 11:27:11 AM  
homeschooling
 
2008-05-09 11:34:36 AM  
Homeschooling is about VALUES not just the three R's. The Democrats in government want our children to be brainwashed by the state with secular humanist values. As if this weren't enough, the state is trying to make it mandatory for children to attend yet another year of pre-school brainwashing. That will help impose bankrupt Godless values, and prevent parents from instilling their own values in their children.

Posted by motorcycleboy on May 7, 2008 at 2:32 p.m.


This guy is good.
 
2008-05-09 11:38:45 AM  
inert: This guy is good.

We should sign him up and sponsor him.
 
2008-05-09 11:50:47 AM  
inert: This guy is good.

Needs more spittle.
 
2008-05-09 11:55:10 AM  
Wait, I don't get it. Is a "homeschool certificate" the same as a GED? If so, why shouldn't it count?
 
2008-05-09 12:00:24 PM  
Unright: Is a "homeschool certificate" the same as a GED?

Apparently not.
 
2008-05-09 12:25:43 PM  
The Onanist: Unright: Is a "homeschool certificate" the same as a GED?

Apparently not.


Well why don't they just get their GED. A competent 5th grader should be able to pass the GED, so surely a well-educated adult from a homeschooling background can pass it.
 
2008-05-09 12:52:48 PM  
Tennessee is so stupid it's like NM. They are at the bottom of the educational chain. Homeschoolers to way better than public schoolers in the state. They mention what is commonly referred to as grade dropping ( the kids in some other program that got a high school certificate ) that is usually recommended by the state to parents and teens because it decreases their already high drop out rate, then they drop tests scores hoping to lower the homeschool average ( in NM homeschooler were the 3rd highest district even with test dropping - we brought HSLDA in and had state mandated testing abolished ) .

HSLDA http://www.hslda.org/default.asp?bhcp=1
I use this but I don't see HB 1652 on there yet but I guarantee if they try to press this you will because this is illegal, esp. after the person has gone on ( ie the military, college etc just about cancels out hs. that's what public educators are mad about). My kids did this too, homeschooled then go on and make around a 3.8 in college courses.

this doesn't make any sense does it ? I get really mad when I see this crap esp. in states where the public ed. is almost worthless.



angry girlfriend is angry.
 
2008-05-09 01:27:14 PM  
Talon:

Well why don't they just get their GED. A competent 5th grader should be able to pass the GED, so surely a well-educated adult from a homeschooling background can pass it.


Because they were hired without the right credentials, they will still lose their job, then have to go back and reapply. Why should they be penalized because of a change in the rules?
 
2008-05-09 01:31:29 PM  
Is it time to whip this one out?

i252.photobucket.com

"Homeschooling is about VALUES not just the three R's. The Democrats in government want our children to be brainwashed by the state with secular humanist values."

You mean THESE values (p), you farkwad?
 
2008-05-09 01:33:57 PM  
ExJerseyGirl: Talon:

Well why don't they just get their GED. A competent 5th grader should be able to pass the GED, so surely a well-educated adult from a homeschooling background can pass it.

Because they were hired without the right credentials, they will still lose their job, then have to go back and reapply. Why should they be penalized because of a change in the rules?


Can't do that (or shouldn't be able to do that). Article 1 Section 9 of the Constitution (which we seem to throw under the bus at every conceivable moment) prevents ex-post facto laws. You can't make a law retroactive. Hence, the whole "grandfathering" thing.

I'm sure if someone wanted to take the time and money, they could fight this in court. NEWLY homeschooled people would still be screwed, though.
 
2008-05-09 01:37:59 PM  
xanadian:

Can't do that (or shouldn't be able to do that). Article 1 Section 9 of the Constitution (which we seem to throw under the bus at every conceivable moment) prevents ex-post facto laws. You can't make a law retroactive. Hence, the whole "grandfathering" thing.

I'm sure if someone wanted to take the time and money, they could fight this in court. NEWLY homeschooled people would still be screwed, though.


They didn't change the law, they reinterpreted it.

FTFA:

Three West Tennessee day-care workers have already lost their jobs because of a new interpretation that the state Department of Education has given to what qualifies as the high school diploma required for holding some government-related jobs, according to Rep. Mike Bell, R-Riceville, sponsor of a bill that would revise that interpretation.
 
2008-05-09 02:00:48 PM  
xanadian: Is it time to whip this one out?

NEVER!


"Homeschooling is about VALUES not just the three R's. The Democrats in government want our children to be brainwashed by the state with secular humanist values."

You mean THESE values (p), you farkwad?

i216.photobucket.com
 
2008-05-09 02:00:57 PM  
The real problem with Tenessee homeschooling is all the sex with the teachers.
 
2008-05-09 02:01:18 PM  
I just came here to say homeschooling is bad because it doesn't allow children to develop the necessary social skills to deal with society.
 
2008-05-09 02:01:33 PM  
xanadian: Is it time to whip this one out?



"Homeschooling is about VALUES not just the three R's. The Democrats in government want our children to be brainwashed by the state with secular humanist values."

You mean THESE values (p), you farkwad?


THIS is what I came to see.
 
2008-05-09 02:02:37 PM  
Tennesseans are upset that home schooled kids WERE taught math and science and they might spread this knowledge.

Is anyone else upset that Tennessee and Florida are not recognized as bigger threats to national security than Terrorism?
 
2008-05-09 02:04:40 PM  
Senor Revington: I just came here to say homeschooling is bad because it doesn't allow children to develop the necessary social skills to deal with society.

Not necessarily. Some home school kids in my area have educational field trips together and also are active in sports. I think one group meets weekly at the local Audubon Society for lessons on nature.
 
2008-05-09 02:04:46 PM  
Homeschooling is about VALUES not just the three R's. The Democrats in government want our children to be brainwashed by the state with secular humanist values. As if this weren't enough, the state is trying to make it mandatory for children to attend yet another year of pre-school brainwashing. That will help impose bankrupt Godless values, and prevent parents from instilling their own values in their children.

Homeschooling is about VALUES not just the three R's. The Democrats in government want our children to be brainwashed by the state with secular humanist values. As if this weren't enough, the state is trying to make it mandatory for children to attend yet another year of pre-school brainwashing. That will help impose bankrupt Godless values, and prevent parents from instilling their own values in their children.

QFT!
 
2008-05-09 02:05:26 PM  
Hmm. What organization issues these "homeschooling certificates," and why didn't they ensure GED-equivalence (even if only by requiring a GED before issuing the certificate)? Sounds to me like some homeschooled folks may have gotten scammed.
 
2008-05-09 02:05:43 PM  
Sarcastica75: THIS is what I came to see.


good to know.
Wanna be famous? Post your wife on FARK today and tell us all how you personally were homeschooled and 'turned out normal'...then to illustrate the point make sure to include pictures of your wife to help show just how NORMAL you are. We, the FARK community, will take it from there.


i216.photobucket.com
 
2008-05-09 02:06:02 PM  
boobsrgood: The real problem with Tenessee homeschooling is all the sex with the teachers.

/I see what you did there.
 
2008-05-09 02:06:21 PM  
So basically either the State brainwashes your kids or you brainwash your kids. I suppose having a child that can think for him/herself is completely out of the realm of possibility.
 
2008-05-09 02:06:36 PM  
Senor Revington: I just came here to say homeschooling is bad because it doesn't allow children to develop the necessary social skills to deal with society.

I was homeschooled in TN and I turned out just fine. Married, home-owner, have a nice job in IT.
 
2008-05-09 02:07:21 PM  
doubleofive: Senor Revington: I just came here to say homeschooling is bad because it doesn't allow children to develop the necessary social skills to deal with society.

I was homeschooled in TN and I turned out just fine. Married, home-owner, have a nice job in IT.


any pictures of your wife, perhaps?
 
2008-05-09 02:07:29 PM  
Insert anectdotal comment about two or three people who were home-schooled, reach general conclusion about home-schooling on the basis of those few individuals.
 
2008-05-09 02:07:38 PM  
Talon: The Onanist: Unright: Is a "homeschool certificate" the same as a GED?

Apparently not.

Well why don't they just get their GED. A competent 5th grader should be able to pass the GED, so surely a well-educated adult from a homeschooling background can pass it.


Sure they could - but to get a GED in most states, you have to state that you dropped out of high school. If an employer sees a GED where a diploma should be, he thinks "dropout".

Tons of these situations wouldn't even happen if these places would waive a highschool diploma requirement when the person has a college diploma. I've talked to dozens of homeschoolers who have college diplomas, but who run into a bureaucrat who still has to see a highschool diploma.
 
2008-05-09 02:08:47 PM  
As an advocate of private schooling in the classical method, and an hearty opponent of gub'mint schools, I have a hard time deciding where to come down on the homeschooling issue. It has its strengths and weaknesses, I'm sure...

But if you want to, for the purpose of credentialing, give everyone the same aptitude test upon completion of their cirriculum - homeschooled, private schooled, government schooled - and let that be your standard.

Oh wait. You don't want to do that because you are afraid of the failure percentage of the government school. Okay, I see what this is about.
 
2008-05-09 02:09:22 PM  
xanadian: Is it time to whip this one out?

Yes it is. I came in here specifically for this.

xanadian: Can't do that (or shouldn't be able to do that). Article 1 Section 9 of the Constitution (which we seem to throw under the bus at every conceivable moment) prevents ex-post facto laws.

Ex-post facto only applies to criminal convictions - you can't be thrown in the slammer for violating a law that didn't yet exist. It's not much help if a law is phrased like "it will be illegal for people who are X to be continued to be employed as Y", especially if "X" is "registered sex offender".

Also, ex post facto doesn't apply to laws that seek to prevent people from being punished. You can pass a law that says "you won't ever be held accountable for doing X", especially if "X" is "torture people".
 
2008-05-09 02:11:27 PM  
Senor Revington: I just came here to say homeschooling is bad because it doesn't allow children to develop the necessary social skills to deal with society.

Your evidence, show it to us. If you start to tell us about the nerdy homeschooler you knew in college, on my ignore list you will go.
 
2008-05-09 02:11:38 PM  
doubleofive: Senor Revington: I just came here to say homeschooling is bad because it doesn't allow children to develop the necessary social skills to deal with society.

I was homeschooled in TN and I turned out just fine. Married, home-owner, have a nice job in IT.


PICS OR IT DIDN'T HAPPEN
 
2008-05-09 02:11:48 PM  
JWNevin: As an advocate of private schooling in the classical method, and an hearty opponent of gub'mint schools, I have a hard time deciding where to come down on the homeschooling issue. It has its strengths and weaknesses, I'm sure...

But if you want to, for the purpose of credentialing, give everyone the same aptitude test upon completion of their cirriculum - homeschooled, private schooled, government schooled - and let that be your standard.

Oh wait. You don't want to do that because you are afraid of the failure percentage of the government school. Okay, I see what this is about.


I for one would love to see that. And I'm as liberal as they come.
 
2008-05-09 02:11:51 PM  
Yossarian22: doubleofive: Senor Revington: I just came here to say homeschooling is bad because it doesn't allow children to develop the necessary social skills to deal with society.

I was homeschooled in TN and I turned out just fine. Married, home-owner, have a nice job in IT.

any pictures of your wife, perhaps?


No thanks, I don't think she'd appreciate becoming a Fark cliche.
 
2008-05-09 02:12:12 PM  
bark_atda_moon: So basically either the State brainwashes your kids or you brainwash your kids. I suppose having a child that can think for him/herself is completely out of the realm of possibility.

No but they are the kids who get suspended for questioning authority, thinking for themselves, maybe having a different color or hairstyle, you know free thinkers.

People don't take to kindly to THOSE types
 
2008-05-09 02:13:04 PM  
I's tink thet hoom skooling is de same ast pubwic skooling, se it work for me.......

Stupid Farkers, if you can pass the equivalency exam then yes it is the same. But if your mother knitted you diploma, no, no that doesn't count jimmy-kins. There are far to many people who barely bounced through the public school system themselves who are teaching there kids to barely bounce through lifes basic skills.
 
2008-05-09 02:18:26 PM  
doubleofive: Yossarian22: doubleofive: Senor Revington: I just came here to say homeschooling is bad because it doesn't allow children to develop the necessary social skills to deal with society.

I was homeschooled in TN and I turned out just fine. Married, home-owner, have a nice job in IT.

any pictures of your wife, perhaps?

No thanks, I don't think she'd appreciate becoming a Fark cliche.


Pics, or you don't have one..
 
2008-05-09 02:18:58 PM  
longs20016: I's tink thet hoom skooling is de same ast pubwic skooling, se it work for me.......

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc174/rowdyron_album/cletus.jpg

werked goot fer me two...shucks, my momma learnt me rite up der in dem hills.
 
2008-05-09 02:19:45 PM  
It sounds like the state has a legitimate interest in this.

The kids who were homeschooled dont have to take the Gateway test, or whatever standard proficiency test that the rest of the kids have to take.

I can understand how it's not fair to have public school students held to a standard that homeschool kids arent. If a public school student fails this standardized test, they dont get a diploma. However, the homeschooled child DOESNT have to take the test, yet stil gets a diploma.

I would equate this to an unaccredited college giving an individual a degree, and expecting the same treatment as someone who went to an accredited college. The standards are set at a baseline, yet some places choose to ignore such standards, and want to be held to the same degree of proficiency.

This happens a lot with some of the Christian Universities (Look up Pensacola Christian College).

Just make it so the homeschool kids have to take the standardized tests, or conversely, eliminate the standardized testing for the high school students.

Wherever you are on this debate, there should be a degree of homogeneity by the state on the issue.
 
2008-05-09 02:19:50 PM  
Hmmm. Yea. Better solution needed.

Given the state of most public school systems, homeschooling is the way to go.

But it is TN....

Tough call.
 
2008-05-09 02:19:59 PM  
Yossarian22: longs20016: I's tink thet hoom skooling is de same ast pubwic skooling, se it work for me.......

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc174/rowdyron_album/cletus.jpg

werked goot fer me two...shucks, my momma learnt me rite up der in dem hills.


i216.photobucket.com

C! she taught me the internetz too.
 
2008-05-09 02:22:02 PM  
Dynascape: I can understand how it's not fair to have public school students held to a standard that homeschool kids arent. If a public school student fails this standardized test, they dont get a diploma. However, the homeschooled child DOESNT have to take the test, yet stil gets a diploma

It's the same in VA. Public-schooled kids have to take the SOLs (Standards of Learning) but homeschoolers do not.

And every year, there is less and less oversight of these folks.
 
2008-05-09 02:22:30 PM  
i26.photobucket.com
 
2008-05-09 02:23:04 PM  
Where you educate your kids depends on what you want them to learn.

In my experience everything I had to unlearn, so that I could have a truer understanding of people, places and things, was taught to me in public schools.
 
2008-05-09 02:24:31 PM  
inert: Homeschooling is about VALUES not just the three R's. The Democrats in government want our children to be brainwashed by the state with secular humanist values. As if this weren't enough, the state is trying to make it mandatory for children to attend yet another year of pre-school brainwashing. That will help impose bankrupt Godless values, and prevent parents from instilling their own values in their children.

Posted by motorcycleboy on May 7, 2008 at 2:32 p.m.

This guy is good.


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/correlation does not equal causation
//being religious doesn't make you stupid
///smart people don't believe bullshiat as readily
 
2008-05-09 02:26:05 PM  
malibupetey: In my experience everything I had to unlearn, so that I could have a truer understanding of people, places and things, was taught to me in public schools.

Sounds like you just had a shiatty school. Or were a poor student.

I had no complaints about my public school learning, but I was also able to recognize when bullshiat and opinion were being introduced as or co-mingled with facts.
 
2008-05-09 02:28:48 PM  
For fook's sake I hope there are not cops out there who could not obtain a GED if required.
 
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