jack21221: Something tells me that if China placed 1,000 of their soldiers in Alexandra, VA, you'd have no problem driving them out.

We'd drive them out with the Mexican army there.

Srsly, lots n lots of Mehicans in Alexandria.

FLMountainMan:
So the Israeli diplomats and secretaries were an invading force? A military target? Did you at least stretch before performing all these contortions?

They were government agents of the occupying force.

Easterned
Most people ignorant to reality would. If you don't think it a responsibility for the US to send an infantry at this point in such a conflict to protect places like Nahariyya and Haifa you don't understand the nature of the threat Israelis live under.

Hint: Holocaust deux.

As if Israel doesn't have enough firepower to protect themselves and they really need the help of any other country. Their Air Force could cripple every other government in the Middle East in a week if they wished.

Wettner: Yes, that will teach them! Send in Larry the Cable Guy.

/Oh that was Delta Farce
//Still send Larry the Cable Guy


I hope you mean on a suicide mission.


/git him dun, terrists

jack21221: Degree Absolute: FLMountainMan: So Hezbollah is a military organization now, an army? Were the marines at war with them? So if we slaughter Hezbollah in a conventional war, there's no biatching about civilian casualities?

I am totally fine with that. Hezbollah is made up of civilians so civilians need to be killed to completely annihilate Hezbollah. If we ever send Marines back to Beruit, they will locked and loaded, safeties off, fingers on the trigger, unlike last time. Let us hope that Hezbollah does not let it escalate to that point.

Why would the U.S. get involved in a foreign civil war? The military is supposed to be for national defense, not for international offense.

The military is for whatever we use it for. Stop being so naive.

Degree Absolute:
HOw the fark was it self-defense? This wasn't a unilateral American expedition, it was UN sanctioned Multinational Force that was officially neutral. They had no part in the civil war. They oversaw the withdrawal of the PLO. You have no idea what you are talking about. You just get off on defending those who kill innocent Westerners.

Let me put a heavily armed force in your backyard and see if you think it's an act of aggression.

Well, now the Israeli air force won't have to explain in detail all of the "colateral damage" when they carpet bomb after a rocket attack... Bomb away my American friends...

Actually, internally speaking, the middle-east has been a fairly peaceful place, historically. If, say, Europe or the USA is the standard.

The US started the war with Japan by embargoing their fuel, redundantly enough, an act of war. This is the simple, historical fact.

Psycho Zombie Monkey: It is shiat like this that makes me see the FACT that it is the Arabs\muslims that are the problem in the Middle East.

They are killing anyone that opposes their little slice of belief...even their brethren.

Well, duh...



I don't mean to be snarky, but this obviously is the case.
That entire region of the world consists of 2 types of people:
1: Those that are rich, and will continue to be rich, solely because the world is convinced that we need their oil. (They are the ones in power.)
2: Those that are fundamental religious whackjobs that don't know what reality is outside of what the people in point #1 tell them.
(They are the ones who are NOT in power.)

I could go ahead and write a tremendous rant about this, but why bother? Anyone who has read this far already knows what I would say anyway.

In any case, there is only one way to solve this whole problem.
End our reliance on mid-east oil. Completely.

clancifer: SnoreCriminal:

I also wonder how long until Hezbollah blames every dead child in the streets on "the Zionist entity"?

Won't take long. Now Hezbollah will have more civilian pockets in which to store their weapons -- thereby ensuring plenty of civilian deaths should Israel have to take action.

/still amazing that there are seemingly intelligent Westerners that support Hezbollah over Israel.

At this point they are both equally to blame but Israel has the power and money to try to take the high road just choses not to. This kind of lawlessness mixed with poverty just makes it so easy for raging psychopaths like those in charge of Hezbollah to gain followers. Meanwhile a few powerful, greedy Israeli psychopaths love violence like this because they hope it will give them the excuse to further expand their borders or at least their sphere of military control.

For everyone else, it sucks for sure.

@ Jack21221 - Good stuff. Thanks.
@ globalwarmingpraiser @ Jack21221 - also good reply.

Empty Signal Gray: Oh, it's on now.

Le Sheik, c'est Freak.

merklitl: Why would Hezbollah have a problem with a college drinking game?

/It's called Beer Pong

INFIDEL! Beer Pong is played with paddles, western Dog!

jack21221:

You mean while southern Lebanon was still under Israeli occupation.

So purposely blowing up a civilian target is cool with you? that speaks volumes.

FLMountainMan:
Britain, France, Australia, Taiwan, and South Korea might disagree with you.

No, I'm not saying that we "saved" all of these countries....but our presence helped keep them from being overrun.

Right, but what business is that of ours? National defense is one thing... we were attacked during World War 2, so I see why we had to defend ourselves there. However, I think the US had the right policy at the beginning of the war.

Now, for WW1, we had no reason to get involved. We should have just stayed out of that.

jack21221: Not to be labeled a troll this early in the morning,

This news report outlines the social work Hezbollah does.

Link (new window)

Hezbollah not only has armed and political wings - it also boasts an extensive social development programme. The group currently operates at least four hospitals, 12 clinics, 12 schools and two agricultural centres that provide farmers with technical assistance and training. It also has an environmental department and an extensive social assistance programme. Medical care is also cheaper than in most of the country's private hospitals and free for Hezbollah members.


Al Capone was also well for works of charity, soup kitchens, etc. I guess that makes him a good guy then?

Feel free to label me a troll

animal900: This will end well.

/In another 5000 years

I was thinking more like 5000 degrees.

These Hizbullah guys are really ticking me off

jack21221: Why would the U.S. get involved in a foreign civil war? The military is supposed to be for national defense, not for international offense.

Is that a trick question?

Definition: a question which makes you believe you should answer it in one way, when the question you are really meant to answer is hidden within it

//Not the first time the U.S. jumped into another nations civil war and it won't be the last.

Easterned: Most people ignorant to reality would. If you don't think it a responsibility for the US to send an infantry at this point in such a conflict to protect places like Nahariyya and Haifa you don't understand the nature of the threat Israelis live under.

I do. I just think the blanket terms like that are part of the problem. Why not invade Algeria then...that's Arab. The Syrians in praticular pose a huge problem in the region. Syrians != all Arabs. I think we should currently use the Egyptians, who have a huge interest in reducing the organized smuggling at the Gaza/Egypt border should be brought in to help try and broker a deal. Of course Hamas would have to give quite a few concessions in order to even be allowed to come to the table, but if they do...they should be allowed. Hopefully they'll allow the next election to take place and will cede peacefully if elected out.

I don't think anyone is asking the Arab nations to like the Isrelis, let's just get to the point where they're not killing each other daily.

I strayed a bit, but what I'm trying to say is that each Arab group has praticular interests in mind and we can't forget that why trying to figure out what the hell to do there. Saying thins like "all Arabs think X, Y, Z" is a huge contributor to why the US can't get much right over there.

Yes let's blame Israel, and let's not mention that Lebanon maintains a series of Palestinian refugee camps where the population is pretty much ostracized from the rest of Lebanese society. Or that Jordan many years ago abandoned trying to seize and create a Palestinian territory (after Fatah tried to assassinate their leader). Or that the Gaza strip was turned over completely to the Palestinians while Israel keeps the water and power lines on and they still maintain a constant barrage of rockets in Israeli cities with no regard for where they land. But no let's show pictures of dead palestinian kids (which could have very well been taken during Palestian and Arab infighting) and let's blame Israel for everything, yes they are to blame for all of the Arab world's problem.

/Excuse me Muhammed your goat has 'scaped.

Joshua:

As if Israel doesn't have enough firepower to protect themselves and they really need the help of any other country. Their Air Force could cripple every other government in the Middle East in a week if they wished.

Israel's artillery was considerably depleted during the 2006 war with Lebanon.

DayBreakBoys17: jack21221:

You mean while southern Lebanon was still under Israeli occupation.

So purposely blowing up a civilian target is cool with you? that speaks volumes.

Actually, I was just being a troll (or as I prefer to call it, the Devil's Advocate) in defending that specific act. I strongly disagree with that tactic, but I can also see why they may have considered the embassy a legitimate target. Being occupied by an outside force tends to cloud judgement.

The countless little blue dots are Israeli settlements established inside Palestinian territories and Syrian lands. The red dots scattered outside and inside Palestinian territories are Palestinian refugee camps, some of them established in 1948.

No, Israel has nothing to do with the creation and rise of Hezbollah. Israel can do whatever she wants to anyone she pleases and bears no responsibility for blow back.

jack21221: Degree Absolute:
HOw the fark was it self-defense? This wasn't a unilateral American expedition, it was UN sanctioned Multinational Force that was officially neutral. They had no part in the civil war. They oversaw the withdrawal of the PLO. You have no idea what you are talking about. You just get off on defending those who kill innocent Westerners.

Let me put a heavily armed force in your backyard and see if you think it's an act of aggression.

At least half of Lebanon would have disagreed with you on that. They welcomed the Multinational Force. Do we just disregard their opininons because Hezbollah is scared and has itchy trigger fingers? Apparently that is OK in your book.

Maybe Hezbollah should have had a national referendum on the use of force against the French, Americans and Italians who were officially neutral instead of just taking matters into their own hands disregarding the will of half (or more) of Lebanon.

PurplePimpSaber: Why is armed rebellion to achieve political ideals only acceptable when we do it?

Because our political ideals were acceptable. It's not complicated.

Are we seriously almost 300 posts into an Israel thread with no Tats or Estee?

wolvernova: Srsly, lots n lots of Mehicans in Alexandria.

Not really. A lot of Hondurans, Guatamaltecs, Nicaraguans and Salvedoreans. Not many Mexicans.

/Hence the MS presense

SnoreCriminal: Right, that's why Hezbollah randomly rains rockets down upon anyone in Israel, because Jews are a legal military target.

jack21221: Yeah, like the "Shock and awe" bombing of residential areas of downtown Baghdad several years back.

I love how both of you insist on forcing words in my mouth. I was merely pointing out the fact that attacking a military isn't a terrorist act, even if done in a cowardly way. Attacking civilians IS terrorism. Blindly firing rockets into Israeli towns IS terrorism. The "Shock and awe" bombing WAS terrorism. Attacking a military compound that is comprised of military personnel and not civilians is NOT terrorism.

/Pro-Israel, btw
//Your troll-fu is weak, come back after you practice more

pelzar: I love how one hand holds the AK and the other is making a peace sign...

Might be the whole "Japanese school girls posing for a picture" thing is spreading.

dobedobeDUE: Well, now the Israeli air force won't have to explain in detail all of the "colateral damage" when they carpet bomb after a rocket attack... Bomb away my American friends...

No, they wouldn't even if they did it themselves. They conveniently got away with cluster bombing civilians two years ago. It's not a war crime if you have unfettered influence in the U.S. Congress.

stereosaur: Yes let's blame Israel, and let's not mention that Lebanon maintains a series of Palestinian refugee camps where the population is pretty much ostracized from the rest of Lebanese society.

Why are they copying Israel?

BEER_dammit: Are we seriously almost 300 posts into an Israel thread with no Tats or Estee?

They are glued to the TV.

PS Hezbollah started burning down TV stations so they cannot broadcast

BEER_dammit: Are we seriously almost 300 posts into an Israel thread with no Tats or Estee?

You're just not paying attention.

I'm in ur X Y'ing ur Z: SnoreCriminal: Right, that's why Hezbollah randomly rains rockets down upon anyone in Israel, because Jews are a legal military target.

jack21221: Yeah, like the "Shock and awe" bombing of residential areas of downtown Baghdad several years back.

I love how both of you insist on forcing words in my mouth. I was merely pointing out the fact that attacking a military isn't a terrorist act, even if done in a cowardly way. Attacking civilians IS terrorism. Blindly firing rockets into Israeli towns IS terrorism. The "Shock and awe" bombing WAS terrorism. Attacking a military compound that is comprised of military personnel and not civilians is NOT terrorism.

/Pro-Israel, btw
//Your troll-fu is weak, come back after you practice more

I actually agree with everything you said.

But, just as one wouldn't call the US a "terrorist organization" despite having engaged in acts of terror against civilian populations, I wouldn't label Hezbollah a "terrorist organization" despite having done the same in some circumstances.

BEER_dammit: Are we seriously almost 300 posts into an Israel thread with no Tats or Estee?

This is a Lebanon thread, not an Israel thread. I am sure they don't have much to contribute on the matters at hand.

Psycho Zombie Monkey 2008-05-09 08:25:56 AM
It is shiat like this that makes me see the FACT that it is the Arabs\muslims that are the problem in the Middle East.

They are killing anyone that opposes their little slice of belief...even their brethren.

But...yeah....bring on the anti-Israeli writings...morons

/please....we need a hydrogen fuel cell..STAT
//glass parking lot and all that...

You have obviously have no idea what the conflict surrounds, do you? At this point it's not religion.

Here's a chance for all the closet racists/bigots to come creeping out of the woodwork (er, closets) and use this as their excuse to make broad sweeping generalizations!

Yay rednecks.

TheShavingofOccam123

You may want to update your map concerning Gaza. If the Arabs wouldhave acceptesd the 2 state solution in 1947, then Jordan and Egypt would still have the territories in question. Palistinians were made up in 1967 as an excuse to keep killing jews. Consequenses of trying to attack Israel = territory lost. If we are going to go back in history and return all the lands ever captured durring conflict how far back shal we go?

This is going to totally mess up my supply of barbecue hazelnuts & kri-kris.

Degree Absolute:This is a Lebanon thread, not an Israel thread. I am sure they don't have much to contribute on the matters at hand.

Any thread that mentions any part of the Middle East, North Africa, Jews, Muslims, Arabs, brown skin, bacon, circumcision, Islam, or klezmer is an Israel thread on Fark.

Joe Blowme: You may want to update your map concerning Gaza. If the Arabs wouldhave acceptesd the 2 state solution in 1947, then Jordan and Egypt would still have the territories in question. Palistinians were made up in 1967 as an excuse to keep killing jews. Consequenses of trying to attack Israel = territory lost. If we are going to go back in history and return all the lands ever captured durring conflict how far back shal we go?

258 AD. Bring back the Romans.

wolvernova:

stereosaur: Yes let's blame Israel, and let's not mention that Lebanon maintains a series of Palestinian refugee camps where the population is pretty much ostracized from the rest of Lebanese society.

Why are they copying Israel?

Funny, when I went to Israel last summer, it seemed like to me that Palestinians were a part of Israeli society. They walked the same streets, ate in the same restaurants, hung out in the same cafes, when you walked down the street there were Hebrew and Arabic newspapers side by side. Which is a good thing because Israel is probably one of the only countries in the middle east where the media can criticize the government and the perpetrators aren't "corrected."

BEER_dammit: Degree Absolute:This is a Lebanon thread, not an Israel thread. I am sure they don't have much to contribute on the matters at hand.

Any thread that mentions any part of the Middle East, North Africa, Jews, Muslims, Arabs, brown skin, bacon, circumcision, Islam, or klezmer is an Israel thread on Fark.

Sad but true.

ummm send Chuck Norris and Delta Force

I used to love Lebanese food. Now I just eat whole cloves of garlic for the same effect.

Counter_Intelligent: Cool. Can't wait for Israel to start blowing things up indiscriminately.

Like UN observers?

/does not like the IDF
//Does not like how we blindly support them despite countless human rights violations

Psycho Zombie Monkey: It is shiat like this that makes me see the FACT that it is the Arabs\muslims that are the problem in the Middle East.

They are killing anyone that opposes their little slice of belief...even their brethren.

I was listening to World Have Your Say about a week ago and they were discussing the Israeli-Palestinian issue. The Palestinian scholar said there can be peace after the Jews leave and that they have no right to live there. He denies the existence of Israeli, basically. The Israelis were trying to help the Palestinians because the group of Israelis on the show believe their government is too oppressive. But, the tard Palestinian was too busy trying to make an ass out of himself he saw right past their help.

My solution, make Israel a democratic secular government. But, I doubt that would please the Muslims any.

Ugh, a good friend of mine attends school in Beirut. The last I heard from her was when she told me that Hezbollah was outside of the school gates.

R.A.Danny: I'm having falafel for lunch.

I think I'm going to Lebanese Taverna (new window) for dinner. :-p