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(Reason Magazine)   One of the worst railroadings in history, courtesy of the War on Drugs. That's some really fine police work there, Lou   (reason.com) divider line 421
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2008-05-08 06:59:33 PM
If there was ever a time when we needed to summon the awesome power of Fark, this is definitely it.
 
2008-05-08 06:59:57 PM
QifutuWahuta: YixilTesiphon: mobombhead: Well, he deserved to be shot. He pointed a gun at a cop. The cops would have no way of knowing it was 'broken'.

As far as the scale and the baggies - was there other jewelry making stuff in the house? My wife makes jewelry and she has piles upon piles of shiat that could back up the jewelry making claim.

You are what's wrong with America.

So you're saying that if someone points a gun at a cop, the cop should ask "Is that gun broken?" before firing?


No, I'm saying that if somebody points a gun at a home invader, I'd hope that the home invader gets shot. Is it reasonable to expect him to say "Hey, are you guys cops" before dropping them? If you come in somebody's door in Arkansas in the middle of the night, you're a moron if you're not expecting a bullet.

Drug war no-knock warrants are death warrants for cops and their victims.
 
2008-05-08 07:00:02 PM
Honest Bender: Drug dealers are some of the coolest people you'll ever meet.

/just sayin'


True in a way but there not very reliable . You never want to have to wait on one to show up . There always late.
 
2008-05-08 07:00:23 PM
All this injustice for only 1 BILLION/WEEK 24/7/365.

/to put it into perspective - waging the entire "war" against Iraq cost about 4 BILLION/WEEK
//America: we get what we deserve
 
2008-05-08 07:00:33 PM
puffy999: sp86: Cry me a farking river, drugs finance, cause, or contribute to crimes too buddy, that its the more predictable threat doesn't change that fact.

Actually, the illegality of drugs likely leads to most of the crime. Not just directly in the form of drug crimes... but in the forms of theft, burglary, and gang crime (including murder).
If you could go to the store and buy a hit... guess what? Bob down the street wouldn't steal your scrap metal just to get a fix.


The fact that its a crime makes it criminal huh? Shut up and sit down before your hurt yourself, smokey.
 
2008-05-08 07:00:58 PM
As long as idiots keep voting for criminals with the belief they will make the world a better place...

...well, WTF do you expect?

/knows that there is no such thing as a "necessary evil"
//only unnecessary ones held by the delusional masses
 
2008-05-08 07:01:33 PM
this crap is getting tiring, how much farther can it go?

here is a link to all the contacts for this town..

Link

call, write and make noise.
read the entire piece on this incident if you feel it could not be true..
 
2008-05-08 07:01:46 PM
Yeah I bet the cops didn't yell police a hundred times as the broke the door down because you never seen them not scream and yell when breaking down doors.

/this is exaggerated media hype
//the guy is a scum bag dealer and sister or whoever is covering with her 'jewelry business' because she can't store that stuff at her own house?
///people make false complaints to the police all the time even though everything was caught on tape proving they are nothing but liars. So anything the sister says is moot and the repeat offender has no credibility.
 
2008-05-08 07:01:56 PM
sp86: puffy999: sp86: Cry me a farking river, drugs finance, cause, or contribute to crimes too buddy, that its the more predictable threat doesn't change that fact.

Actually, the illegality of drugs likely leads to most of the crime. Not just directly in the form of drug crimes... but in the forms of theft, burglary, and gang crime (including murder).
If you could go to the store and buy a hit... guess what? Bob down the street wouldn't steal your scrap metal just to get a fix.

The fact that its a crime makes it criminal huh? Shut up and sit down before your hurt yourself, smokey.


Apparently you can't read. Try it again, and sound out the words this time.
 
2008-05-08 07:02:19 PM
And to be more succinct: drug laws create a big black market in this country. And that's where much of the crime takes place outside of direct use and sale.
 
2008-05-08 07:02:40 PM
Russ1642 .. I can forgive mistakes that were made in good-faith (it shouldnt happen but we're all human)

What I find harder to forgive is the covering up of the initial good-faith mistake.
 
2008-05-08 07:02:58 PM
Boy, what are you doing drivin on mah street with a broken taillight?

But my taillight's not broken!

*smash* Oh yeah? Looks broken to me! Get out of the car...
 
2008-05-08 07:03:04 PM
I guess the only solution is to rig your house with a panic button causing the place to explode so violently everyone involved turns to a fine dust.

We can't have an armed revolution and voting won't help.
 
2008-05-08 07:03:40 PM
sp86: The fact that its a crime makes it criminal huh? Shut up and sit down before your hurt yourself, smokey.

As Ron White once said: Next time you have a thought... let it go.
 
2008-05-08 07:03:53 PM
wait, he was black right?
 
2008-05-08 07:04:09 PM
QifutuWahuta:
So you're saying that if someone points a gun at a cop, the cop should ask "Is that gun broken?" before firing?


i'm pretty sure that if the guy had the chance to realize it was the cops he was pointing the gun at, he'd have put it down pretty quickly. it's about the police not announcing their presence, or identifying themselves.
 
2008-05-08 07:04:29 PM
I_AM_M: I guess the only solution is to rig your house with a panic button causing the place to explode so violently everyone involved turns to a fine dust.

No need to go to that level of extreme, a couple bouncing betties under the front porch and driveway will do the trick just fine.
 
2008-05-08 07:04:48 PM
I_AM_M:

We can't have an armed revolution and voting won't help.


speak for yourself
 
2008-05-08 07:04:53 PM
simpsonfan: They should make all the drugs legal. That was all the idiots who want to take drugs would have easy access, and they will all die of overdoses sooner. End of drug problem.

This will only breed drug resistant humans.

Actually, yeah, I think we waste waaaay too much money on this problem. If we taxed it, licensed it, regulated it to a certain dosage/volume and jailed offenders, the problem might not be as bad.

Any studies done on how bad the problems were when many drugs were legal in the US? As opposed to how bad were the prohibition days with alcohol?
 
2008-05-08 07:04:55 PM
sp86: The fact that its a crime makes it criminal huh? Shut up and sit down before your hurt yourself, smokey.

The point stands. Drugs being illegal causes more crime, like theft and such. Just look at what happened during Prohibition. Same deal.

Nevermind throwing addicts in prison, is hardly helpful.
 
2008-05-08 07:05:11 PM
WireFire2: Yeah I bet the cops didn't yell police a hundred times as the broke the door down because you never seen them not scream and yell when breaking down doors.

/this is exaggerated media hype
//the guy is a scum bag dealer and sister or whoever is covering with her 'jewelry business' because she can't store that stuff at her own house?
///people make false complaints to the police all the time even though everything was caught on tape proving they are nothing but liars. So anything the sister says is moot and the repeat offender has no credibility.


i142.photobucket.com

approves of your post comrade.
 
2008-05-08 07:05:36 PM
puffy999: And to be more succinct: drug laws create a big black market in this country. And that's where much of the crime takes place outside of direct use and sale.

To add... the WORST crime takes place directly because of this black market. Murder, robbery, and the like are RARELY tied to one being high.
Guess what? Unless you're dealing meth or one of the other hard drugs to parents of teenage and younger children, and unless you're committing other sorts of crime as mentioned above, you aren't doing much that deserves jail time.
 
2008-05-08 07:06:17 PM
To avoid such things as this, I recommend the Ultimate Lock (new window).

-Takes up to 8,000lbs of pressure
-Renders raids useless unless you drive a truck through the door
-Can't be kicked in
 
2008-05-08 07:06:43 PM
i27.tinypic.com
 
2008-05-08 07:07:00 PM
YixilTesiphon: sp86: puffy999: sp86: Cry me a farking river, drugs finance, cause, or contribute to crimes too buddy, that its the more predictable threat doesn't change that fact.

Actually, the illegality of drugs likely leads to most of the crime. Not just directly in the form of drug crimes... but in the forms of theft, burglary, and gang crime (including murder).
If you could go to the store and buy a hit... guess what? Bob down the street wouldn't steal your scrap metal just to get a fix.

The fact that its a crime makes it criminal huh? Shut up and sit down before your hurt yourself, smokey.

Apparently you can't read. Try it again, and sound out the words this time.


I did, but that doesn't make it any less nonsensical. Alcohol is legal, drunks still get into bar fights, still drive drunk, still illegally produce and sell alcohol. I've seen people steal to get a drink, for a stronger compulsion, the violence is only likely to increase.

Thank you for failing though.
 
2008-05-08 07:07:04 PM
mobombhead: As far as the scale and the baggies - was there other jewelry making stuff in the house? My wife makes jewelry and she has piles upon piles of shiat that could back up the jewelry making claim.

I have a small scale in the house. I bought it after watching an episode of Good Eats where Alton Brown suggested that some cooking items should be weighed.

I also have a large number of small baggies in my house. I keep different size machine screws in them. After having built computers at home for over 20 years, I have a bit of a collection.

Based off of those two groups of items, I could be charged with operating a criminal enterprise from my home.
 
2008-05-08 07:07:26 PM
The "judge" that signed this warrant should be:

1. Disbarred and forced to pay restitution.
2. Charged with multiple felonies.
3. Repeatedly ass-raped by bubba and friends.
4. His "policemen" can join him in jail.

/cops suck
 
2008-05-08 07:07:42 PM
Kali-Yuga: WireFire2: Yeah I bet the cops didn't yell police a hundred times as the broke the door down because you never seen them not scream and yell when breaking down doors.

/this is exaggerated media hype
//the guy is a scum bag dealer and sister or whoever is covering with her 'jewelry business' because she can't store that stuff at her own house?
///people make false complaints to the police all the time even though everything was caught on tape proving they are nothing but liars. So anything the sister says is moot and the repeat offender has no credibility.



approves of your post comrade.


That one post, I'll side with you on. Those officers, the judge that signed the warrant, and that whole department are out of their damn minds.
 
2008-05-08 07:07:52 PM
'War' on drugs aside, the real problem is the militarization of law enforcement. When cops play soldier they play Rambo, not the actual, tedious, detail oriented community building our armed forces personell are doing overseas. The problem is all the poeple that get in the way of their cordite and testoterone fantasies.
 
2008-05-08 07:08:04 PM
WireFire2: ///people make false complaints to the police all the time even though everything was caught on tape proving they are nothing but liars. So anything the sister says is moot and the repeat offender has no credibility.

Yeah. If you get a DUI you don't deserve your Constitutional rights any more. The real mistake was that the cops failed to kill him.
 
2008-05-08 07:08:16 PM
I am ashamed to be an american. Utterly ashamed. Again.

And yes, we do have 1/4 of the worlds prisoners within our borders. Freedom and Democracy, indeed.
 
2008-05-08 07:08:30 PM
WhyteRaven74: sp86:

Nevermind throwing addicts in prison, is hardly helpful.


Actually, it helps keep drug prices down and supplies up for the rest of the people that are smart enough not to get caught.
 
2008-05-08 07:09:24 PM
Ugh ... this kind of crap makes me want to become a lawyer and then work to defend people like this.

/ anyone want to donate to a law-school fund? ;-)
 
2008-05-08 07:09:29 PM
WireFire2: Yeah I bet the cops didn't yell police a hundred times as the broke the door down because you never seen them not scream and yell when breaking down doors.

/this is exaggerated media hype
//the guy is a scum bag dealer and sister or whoever is covering with her 'jewelry business' because she can't store that stuff at her own house?
///people make false complaints to the police all the time even though everything was caught on tape proving they are nothing but liars. So anything the sister says is moot and the repeat offender has no credibility.


WHERE THE FARK WHERE THE GODDAMN DRUGS YOU NITWIT?
 
2008-05-08 07:09:37 PM
Steigen: WhyteRaven74: sp86:

Nevermind throwing addicts in prison, is hardly helpful.

Actually, it helps keep drug prices down and supplies up for the rest of the people that are smart enough not to get caught.


Darwinism at its finest.
 
2008-05-08 07:09:38 PM
just end the goddamn war on drugs already.
 
2008-05-08 07:09:43 PM
My guns aren't broken.
My scale works.
Oh, and I'm a very light sleeper and an ex-cop.
Good luck with the blind warrent at my shack.
 
2008-05-08 07:10:03 PM
toonz:Police Officers died on 9/11, so you can kiss MY hero ass, scumbag!

So did stockbrokers. Won't someone think of the hero stockbrokers!

www.anitaclintonunlimited.com
 
2008-05-08 07:10:13 PM
sp86: I've seen people steal to get a drink, for a stronger compulsion, the violence is only likely to increase.

Alcohol is a wholly different drug. Alcohol addiction is about as bad as anything.

And no, crime won't stop if many illegal drugs are made legal, but bigger crimes will be reduced. Oh, and we can keep things around like laws regarding driving under the influence.
 
2008-05-08 07:10:14 PM
Ron Paul Revere: WHERE

Were.

/don't type in a fit of rage, children
 
2008-05-08 07:11:17 PM
Ron Paul Revere: Ron Paul Revere: WHERE

Were.

/don't type in a fit of rage, children


I can type in any mood I wish.
 
2008-05-08 07:12:09 PM
disgusting. absolutely disgusting.
 
2008-05-08 07:12:12 PM
puffy999: And no, crime won't stop if many illegal drugs are made legal, but bigger crimes will be reduced. Oh, and we can keep things around like laws regarding driving under the influence.

Organized crimes will be reduced, actual affect on criminal infractions may vary.
 
2008-05-08 07:12:20 PM
walnuts55: Honest Bender: Drug dealers are some of the coolest people you'll ever meet.

/just sayin'

True in a way but there not very reliable . You never want to have to wait on one to show up . There always late.


1. Had a drug dealer that lived in the dorm building next to mine.
2. Had a drug dealer that delivered (on time and less than 30 minutes, way better than dominoes).
3. Had a good friend sell me drugs for a while. I was over at his house most of the time anyway.
4. Had another good friend sell me drugs. He was almost always over at my house.
5. Had a roommate sell drugs for a while. He was always at my house.

Many of my best friends have sold pot at one time or another. 100% of them are the nicest people you will ever meet.

/pot is like going to the movies. It kills a few hours and entertains you.
 
2008-05-08 07:12:43 PM
cfreak: anyone want to donate to a law-school fund? ;-)

I will, but only if you can guaranteee you'll spend 1/3 of it on illegal drugs.
 
2008-05-08 07:12:51 PM
If you point a gun at a cop, you're gonna get shot. End of story. I'm glad he got locked up. That's one less dealer (or potential dealer) off of the streets. We have to protect our kids from the scourge of drugs. Whatever it takes.
 
2008-05-08 07:12:54 PM
walnuts55: Honest Bender: Drug dealers are some of the coolest people you'll ever meet.

/just sayin'

True in a way but there not very reliable . You never want to have to wait on one to show up . There always late.


They're late on purpose. They always make you wait. Because they know they can. Because, once you've waited for them, they know they control you. But that doesn't stop us, sitting together, waiting for the Man.

/William Burroughs farking rocks.
//"The Man" has nothing to do with cops or the establishment, it's the dealer.
 
2008-05-08 07:13:04 PM
...and this is why you should always have a great deal of respect for your dealer. He/she is taking one hell of a risk in exchange for what are (realistically) minor financial rewards.
 
2008-05-08 07:13:29 PM
Insomnambulant: So, how do we infuriated individuals go about preventing or punishing these abuses? (Let's say "alleged" abuses -- so suck it. My question is valid.)

tectical modifications to the home that make typical raid entry impossible. metal backed doors with reinforced frames, lexan windows with reinforced frames, furniture loaded with plate metal or sand bags to serve as actual cover during a firefight, and enough guns and ammo to win against an average sized swat team.

if you have the time and inclination hook up bright blue strobes and leave blue filter goggles and respiratory protection around the house to defeat gas grenades and give you a sensory advantage (bright blue light really messes with your night vision, your filter goggles will protect you from the strobe effects)

set the strobes up to something other than constant timing, either a smooth cycle from some fast rate to a slow rate around one every 1 - 1.5 seconds, or a random delay between a small fraction of a second and 1.5 seconds.

high powered pistols and regular (min twice a week) range practice so you can aim for heads / necks / other unprotected flesh

remember, once the shooting starts surrender is virtually impossible because the police will blow you away even if you stand with your hands up buck naked in an empty room, they want to avenge their buddies and will doctor the final report to say you were still holding a weapon, once a raid starts the only way to be sure you survive is to be the last man standing.
 
2008-05-08 07:13:49 PM
WireFire2: Yeah I bet the cops didn't yell police a hundred times as the broke the door down because you never seen them not scream and yell when breaking down doors.

/this is exaggerated media hype
//the guy is a scum bag dealer and sister or whoever is covering with her 'jewelry business' because she can't store that stuff at her own house?
///people make false complaints to the police all the time even though everything was caught on tape proving they are nothing but liars. So anything the sister says is moot and the repeat offender has no credibility.


if you read both the blog, and the paper, i believe the only criminal record this guy has is dwi x2 and something else unrelated to drugs. no violent history.
i have baggies in my home, and a scale or two somewhere.
that makes me a drug lord?
baggies are for small jewelry, scales were for both gold and reloading.
so i deserve to be shot? as for the entry of a home with force..if im asleep, and i hear glass breaking and loud noises, im going to be pointing a boom stick in the general direction as well.
not double, or triple odd buck, but quad buck shot.
 
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