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(Forbes)   A group of crazy unknown economists, Goldman Sachs, estimates a barrel of oil to be $150-$200 shortly. That's about another $2 per gallon, or another $80 to fill the towing truck coming to repossess your BMW tonight   (forbes.com) divider line 422
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2008-05-08 04:53:09 PM
Crazy_horce: Pr1nc3ss: Question for everyone saying we whine but don't change our ways, what if you live in a small city (45,000+), and the nearest public transportation is a 30 minute drive and a minute and a half away from your job? That's our current problem. We're trying to cut back, so we never leave the house. My husband can't take a cab b/c it's $40 (not saving anything), his co-workers live an hour away from their job (no carpooling) and the closest public transportation is a Metro bus stop down the street from his job. How are we supposed to cut back? You can't ride a bicycle in a business suit during the summer (or any season) in Texas.
I'm honestly asking for suggestions. Gas is killing us.

Your problem is your lifestyle and living choices. No one told you to buy a house with a big yard so far from work! If you can't afford it then you'll have to deal with that. I didn't buy a $400,000 house on an ARM. Know why? I couldn't afford it.


dude, eat a bucket of penises.
it sure does not sound like she lives in a $400.000 house.
why when people ask to advice people like you think its fair game to talk shiat?
you know nothing about her, or her family's situation.
please DIAF.
 
2008-05-08 04:53:26 PM
Captain Scurvy: There. I fixed it for you.

I guess you would recommend that we go back to the days of the Industrial Revolution before those damn Progressives messed everything up for industry. Damn Progressives everyone knows that profit is better that the common good.
 
2008-05-08 04:55:12 PM
Scyzm: About blaming companies/OPEC for selling the oil at a higher price: Our entire economic system is based on the fact that greed motivates everyone, and then you blame someone for being greedy? Blaming OPEC is just hating capitalism. I suspect a lot of people who gripe don't realize that.

If this is what our entire economic system gets us, maybe it is time to think about changing the system.
 
2008-05-08 04:55:45 PM
DAMN..cross out the "to" in above post..
 
2008-05-08 04:56:32 PM
Pr1nc3ss: Question for everyone saying we whine but don't change our ways, what if you live in a small city (45,000+), and the nearest public transportation is a 30 minute drive and a minute and a half away from your job? That's our current problem. We're trying to cut back, so we never leave the house. My husband can't take a cab b/c it's $40 (not saving anything), his co-workers live an hour away from their job (no carpooling) and the closest public transportation is a Metro bus stop down the street from his job. How are we supposed to cut back? You can't ride a bicycle in a business suit during the summer (or any season) in Texas.
I'm honestly asking for suggestions. Gas is killing us.


Well, not knowing what he does, it's hard to say, but I'd ask about telecommuting a couple of days a week if at all possible.
 
2008-05-08 04:56:58 PM
jshine: AntiNorm:Oil is a finite resource, so we had better start developing alternative fuels -- and soon.

This. We need some sort of massive R&D program to develop alternative fuels -- something on the scale of Apollo, and with that sort of urgency.

As the oil fields are depleted, the price will just continue to rise exponentially until the economy just collapses. Or that's what would happen w/o an alternative energy infrastructure.

Unfortunately, other than fossil fuels, the sun is probably the best source of energy with current technology. ...and the easiest way to capture solar energy is via photosynthesis -- i.e., growing plants. So I'm afraid that to continue to supply anything like a decent quantity of energy, we may have to accept that global food prices are going to continue to go up, up, up.

In the end, there may be no way to feed 6.whatever billion people w/o the essentially "free" energy of petroleum -- energy that can be just pumped out of the ground.

/sucks
//but that's the hole that's been dug


I read a local article about some college kids at UCF who are making their own bio-diesel (using grease from the traps at the local on-campus Chick Fil-A of all things) and it cost them around 88 cents per gallon to make. They give a percentage of the fuel they make to the college, which has saved the college several hundred thousand dollars per year in fuel costs.
 
2008-05-08 04:58:48 PM
Pr1nc3ss: I'm honestly asking for suggestions.

Start a carpool service in your area, not just for your colleagues but all commuters. You may find that your neighbour works near you.
 
2008-05-08 04:58:53 PM
digitalrain: I read a local article about some college kids at UCF who are making their own bio-diesel (using grease from the traps at the local on-campus Chick Fil-A of all things) and it cost them around 88 cents per gallon to make. They give a percentage of the fuel they make to the college, which has saved the college several hundred thousand dollars per year in fuel costs.

I love when those people publicize the fact they are evading gas taxes. The tax man will be knocking on their door shortly. It will probably still be a good deal but closer to 1.50-2 a gallon
 
2008-05-08 04:59:33 PM
DaSwankOne: Damn Progressives everyone knows that profit is better that the common good.

Damn straight profit wins. Why buy expensive drilling muds when you can just backhoe the beach for baby seals and grind 'em up? Viscosity's about the same. Of course, at the rate oil companies are drilling (despite so much regulation trying to stop them), seals would go extinct pretty quickly.

I guess at that point we'd just have to use Progressives instead.
 
2008-05-08 04:59:35 PM
wildancrazy159: dude, eat a bucket of penises.
it sure does not sound like she lives in a $400.000 house.
why when people ask to advice people like you think its fair game to talk shiat?
you know nothing about her, or her family's situation.
please DIAF.


I was making a point about unsustainable costs and financial planning. I did not say she lived in a $400K house. You need to look at WHY your costs are so high. If you feel the need to live an hour from work, be prepared to pay for the transportation.

\luv u 2! =>
 
2008-05-08 05:00:07 PM
I thought high prices were supposed to be good for getting us to conserve. Now they're here and all people do is kvetch. Make up your minds.

i30.tinypic.com
 
2008-05-08 05:00:33 PM
Pr1nc3ss: I'm honestly asking for suggestions.

Petition the state to finally build the farking bullet train in Texas and tell Southwest Airlines to go fark themselves.
 
2008-05-08 05:00:57 PM
lhclubs: High oil prices are the mechanism by which the richest 10% of people keep the other 90% from getting their grubby hands on some.

The bears a lot of repeating. The US economy is now close to $14 trillion per year, 40% larger than in 2000 when it was just under $10 trillion. At a 10% growth rate, China's economy, which was $10 trillion in the year 2006, is now more than double its size compared to the year 2000.

To those who blame 'speculation' for high oil prices, those high prices are the only reason why you can afford to buy gasoline and most of the rest of the world can't.

DaSwankOne: If this is what our entire economic system gets us, maybe it is time to think about changing the system.

What our economic system "gets us" is a standard of living the vast, vast majority of the people in the world could only dream about.
 
2008-05-08 05:01:59 PM
Captain Scurvy: Damn straight profit wins. Why buy expensive drilling muds when you can just backhoe the beach for baby seals and grind 'em up? Viscosity's about the same. Of course, at the rate oil companies are drilling (despite so much regulation trying to stop them), seals would go extinct pretty quickly.

I guess at that point we'd just have to use Progressives instead.


So you were trolling earlier or is my sacrasm meter broken?
 
2008-05-08 05:02:47 PM
digitalrain: I read a local article about some college kids at UCF who are making their own bio-diesel (using grease from the traps at the local on-campus Chick Fil-A of all things) and it cost them around 88 cents per gallon to make. They give a percentage of the fuel they make to the college, which has saved the college several hundred thousand dollars per year in fuel costs.

88 cents/gal to "make"? They do know that you can just filter it and pour in right in and it will work right? I hope for their sake they are blending it or something. 88cents sounds high for something you get for free that only needs filtering.

Plus they are doing Chick Fil-A a favor in getting rid of it because it has to be disposed of properly which costs money otherwise.
 
2008-05-08 05:03:11 PM
I am gonna redecorate my house with stainless steel appliances and granite countertops, sell it to some sucker and move somewhere with a real public transit system.

/Seriously considering a plug in Prius.
 
2008-05-08 05:05:05 PM
fark it. I'm buying a bicycle.
 
2008-05-08 05:05:17 PM
Adolf_Hilton: DaSwankOne: If this is what our entire economic system gets us, maybe it is time to think about changing the system.

What our economic system "gets us" is a standard of living the vast, vast majority of the people in the world could only dream about.


Most of that standard of living was provided by the Progressive social programs of the 1940's 50's and 60's that gave us a competitive advantage. That and the fact that we have never faced an invasion or carpet bombing from another country in the 1940's. You think the free market built this internet you are using that has created tons of capital and jobs for our generation? THE FREE MARKET RULL!!EZZZ@@@!!ii1
 
2008-05-08 05:05:20 PM
DaSwankOne:
Petition the state to finally build the farking bullet train in Texas and tell Southwest Airlines to go fark themselves.


Live near an interstate? There is a 50% chance that interstate could have a bullet train running along it if we had invested the money and manpower in infrastructure rather than the Iraq war part II...

/And if the war keeps dragging on we may hit the point of having spent as much as it would have cost to put bullet trains along the entire interstate system not just 50% of it
 
2008-05-08 05:06:08 PM
Surpheon: Tartha De Tear: The price of gas affects you in more ways than just your car's gas tank.

How farking thick are you? The impact of the 0.2 ounces of diesel required to transport my week's worth of groceries and goods is far less than the 6 ounces I spend to get to the store and back to pick them up. Yes the price of gas effects everyone, but for the typical American 80% of the impact is in personal commuting and transportation. Whining that the other 20% is just as important is like the fatty going for a diet coke with their three quarterpounders with double cheese and super-sized fries.

Commercial transport is crazy efficient on a pound basis and even factory farming can churn out the calories with comparatively little gas compared to a typical sedan idling away at every stop sign and light from here to Bumfark, USA's nearest grocery store.


Wait wait wait.

You don't think that inflation takes a direct hit from the price of transportation. You also don't think that consumer attitudes have anything to do with your economic picture because you work for some company that doesn't rely on consumer demand.

I'm the one that's thick? Somehow, this doesn't quite work out for you.
 
2008-05-08 05:06:37 PM
This is bad bad bad for middle-class America. First, they're getting effed by the economy. Second, they're homes are being foreclosed upon. And now they can't afford to drive to work.

I live in a suburb about 60 miles north of San Diego. People live here because they can't afford to live in the city, where they work, and they commute. There are some people who can carpool, and for a few mass transit works - although it's an impossible system in the western U.S. due to things being so spread out (for example, there is no mass transit system that runs from here to San Diego or Orange County).

But for most middle-class Americans, gas prices are really making life hard. Buying a new car that gets better mileage is a great idea... if you can afford it. If you're close enough to work to ride a bike, that's great, but you have to be healthy enough to do it. And good luck picking your kids up from school, buying groceries, etc. on bikes. Good luck to the contractors and their equipment trucks, semi-truck drivers, etc.

I agree completely that our car culture has effed everything up, but this is going to ruin a lot of people. And no one seems serious about mass-producing an affordable alternative to gasoline-powered cars that meets the needs of the average American family.

When the L.A. bus drivers went on strike a few years ago, a few of my co-workers had to quit their jobs because they couldn't get to work. I imagine the same thing will start happening with people who have no other way to get to work besides their cars.

And of course there is the impact on the rest of the economy. If I only have $200/month of "fun money" for buying gadgets and going out to eat, and that money is now going into my gas tank, guess which businesses suffer? The oil companies are stealing revenue from movie theaters, restaurants, retailers, etc.

This isn't about running out of oil -- this is about the oil companies FARKING US OVER. Record profits = there's more to this than just demand increasing. I'm glad I make enough that it doesn't matter much to me, but I feel bad for the millions who are getting hit extremely hard by this.
 
2008-05-08 05:07:05 PM
Pr1nc3ss: Question for everyone saying we whine but don't change our ways, what if you live in a small city (45,000+), and the nearest public transportation is a 30 minute drive and a minute and a half away from your job? That's our current problem. We're trying to cut back, so we never leave the house. My husband can't take a cab b/c it's $40 (not saving anything), his co-workers live an hour away from their job (no carpooling) and the closest public transportation is a Metro bus stop down the street from his job. How are we supposed to cut back? You can't ride a bicycle in a business suit during the summer (or any season) in Texas.
I'm honestly asking for suggestions. Gas is killing us.


Move. It sucks but there isn't much choice it seems like, certainly you would know your options better than anyone here.

Maybe there's some way to get public transportation extended out to your area, but it sounds somewhat remote. That sounds about as safe of a bet as praying for new technology.

We've spent the past 60 years building an infrastructure that can't be supported in the long term if gas prices continue on like this, as people are too spread out and cars are the only mode of viable transportation. You can always switch to a motorcycle or scooter like someone above said, but again those still use gas, just less, so you are still affected by prices, just less. Personally I wouldn't go that route as it would SUCK in the rain, plus that far of a drive each day would increase chances to have some traffic accident where someone gets mangled.
 
2008-05-08 05:07:19 PM
DaSwankOne: MaxxLarge: Honestly, how stupid do they think we are?!?

Dude, we are a nation that makes a median household income of $40,000. We live in a median home prices at $250,000 and drive two median level of cars that cost a median value of $15,000. We also have $8000 average in unsecured credit card debt. We cry when someone want to raise the minimum wage a buck because we might have to pay 5% more for t-shirts down at the Wal-Mart while our tax dollars go to provide food stamps and Medicaid to the 40% of their full time employees that qualify for federal assistance. We are a nation filled with many people that would not have eaten a vegetable all week if potatoes, ketchup and frosted corn flakes were not somehow considered vegetables. We are nation where 33% of the electorate thinks that the guy who went to United Church of Christ is a Muslim and do not understand that even if he was a Muslim secret agent that the President of the United States does not have the power to nuke American cities. We are a nation that can name more characters on the Simpson's than we can former Presidents. We are a nation full of people that can not find Iraq on a map. Worst of all we are a nation where a small majority of smarter and less moral people take advantage of the fact that we are a nation of idiots and those of us that know better do nothing about it. That is America in the 21st Century.


And, one can drown in a pool which is 6 inches deep on average.
 
2008-05-08 05:07:23 PM
Investors speculate on rising oil futures, causing oil prices to rise.

It is the epitomic example of the self-fulfilling prophecy.
 
2008-05-08 05:08:41 PM
Sir Charles: veale728: Hybrid vehicles say hi.

Diesel vehicles can get better gas mileage.


Gas chugging monster cars say up yours, poor people!

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450 hp. Yes, insult me because I waste "your" gasoline. I bathe in the oily goodness of mother nature's gift to us.

Sooner cry ass babies stop biatchin about oil prices, the sooner we can get on with our lives. At this point, I doubt it is the market, it is the sniveling pussies being paranoid. Same douch-nozzles that pay 4 bucks for a cup of coffee comlain about 4 bucks for a gallon of the black fuel. We get it, you are emo, now shut the fark up and go smoke some weed and give a hand job to Obama, your mama.
 
2008-05-08 05:09:49 PM
DaSwankOne

farkuufarkinfark: Gas is going up, food is going up, prices for soft goods are going up, prices for durable goods are going up. Wages aren't going up (except the stupid minimum wage), which only makes other prices go up.

I think I found an example of the typical American.


I'll take that as a compliment, because I don't ever want to be an elitist prick.

Not all of us can afford a house 2 feet from our work. Some of us do jobs where we have to actually go to other people's places of business to help them out, or to other people's homes to help care for them or provide services for them. It does no good to tell people to "rent a moving truck" or telecommute when that's not a real or viable option.

What if you needed a plumber to come to your house, but because he couldn't afford the gas to get there, your house would back up with sewage? What if you needed someone to come to your house to help feed you or bathe you, but they couldn't get to your house because they couldn't afford to put gas in their car to get to you?

Congratulations if you're in a position where this doesn't affect you, or if you have other options available to you such as public transportation or carpooling. I don't have those options. Sadly, as a "typical American", it does affect me and lots of people I know. My politicians aren't helping solve the problem.

Hopefully, there are smarter people (hell, everyone's smarter than most of our politicians) out there that are working on solving the problem, and I hope those solutions come quickly.
 
2008-05-08 05:09:55 PM
Tartha De Tear: You don't think that inflation takes a direct hit from the price of transportation

Not from transportation but it sure does from increased fuel costs. When fuels to transport things goes up, so does the price of everything being transported. That's inflation.
 
2008-05-08 05:10:05 PM
Right now, they are people breaking into SUVs, siphoning gasoline, and selling it to others at $1.50 a gallon. God bless them.
 
2008-05-08 05:10:37 PM
Thunderpipes:We get it, you are emo, now shut the fark up and go smoke some weed and give a hand job to Obama, your mama.

this just in, people who can afford to be total farking douchebags will usually end up being total farking douchebangs.
 
2008-05-08 05:11:16 PM
Crazy_horce: Tartha De Tear: You don't think that inflation takes a direct hit from the price of transportation

Not from transportation but it sure does from increased fuel costs. When fuels to transport things goes up, so does the price of everything being transported. That's inflation.


Thanks. I'm having a rough day, so further editing is quite welcome.

/no snark, srsly. I'm having a rough day
 
2008-05-08 05:11:48 PM
Crazy horce:

Dude! I live in an apartment! We're pretty farking poor! The only reason we stay in this city is b/c my husband's best friend owns the complex and our rent is dirt cheap. Please don't stereotype me as a person who lives beyond their means. I wish I could have that option.
 
2008-05-08 05:11:51 PM
Thunderpipes:

450 hp. Yes, insult me because I waste "your" gasoline. I bathe in the oily goodness of mother nature's gift to us.

Sooner cry ass babies stop biatchin about oil prices, the sooner we can get on with our lives. At this point, I doubt it is the market, it is the sniveling pussies being paranoid. Same douch-nozzles that pay 4 bucks for a cup of coffee comlain about 4 bucks for a gallon of the black fuel. We get it, you are emo, now shut the fark up and go smoke some weed and give a hand job to Obama, your mama.

You are bragging about a newer mustang?
BWHAAHAHAAHAHAA
 
2008-05-08 05:11:55 PM
ITT we see those who don't understand a global market and those that do. For those of you who are lost.

1. Weak US Dollar.

2. External Demand High.

3. Production on the rise in global economy. The more production, the more energy needed. The more oil needed.

I for one welcome the green energy overlords and thank them for helping my portfolio.
 
2008-05-08 05:12:11 PM
ihyln: don't care if oil is $200 a gallon. I will then just drill it myself.

/14MPG city
//much more fun than walking


Nice car. I'm trying to persuade my wife to get the 330 diesel. Very nearly as fast, and over 40 mpg (which matters here in the UK).

But go ahead and pay for the 'M' badge if it works for you.
 
2008-05-08 05:12:11 PM
Tartha De Tear: Nutsac_Jim: MaxxLarge: Wow. It's too bad that's just "what the market will bear." Pay no attention to those obscene, across-all-industries record-setting Q4 profits behind the curtain.

Comrade, what is their profit margin this year vs the last 5 years?

When condom costs went up $2, I didn't say your mom was a corporate profiteer just because she started charging me $12 instead of $10 for oral.

This is not where you wanted to go, Nutsac. They've had record profits per quarter as an industry for the last five years.


Record profits = You are just buying more of their stuff and they also have to EXPENSE a RECORD AMOUNT OF CRUDE OIL.

Record profit margin = Someone is raping you.


What matters is the margin. If you sell hamburgers, and sell 1 Billion in burgers, a better business is one that sells only 100 Million in burgers but has a profit margin that is 30% not 5%.

What the eff difference does it make if they had record profits.
A Record number of consumers BOUGHT THEIR shiat.
and they paid a RECORD amount to oil producing companies.

If you are going to claim you are GETTING BENT OVER, then show
us that Exxon is making 20% profits now, instead of 10%.
Otherwise.. its the same old shiat.
 
2008-05-08 05:14:56 PM
farkuufarkinfark: Not all of us can afford a house 2 feet from our work. Some of us do jobs where we have to actually go to other people's places of business to help them out, or to other people's homes to help care for them or provide services for them. It does no good to tell people to "rent a moving truck" or telecommute when that's not a real or viable option.

What if you needed a plumber to come to your house, but because he couldn't afford the gas to get there, your house would back up with sewage? What if you needed someone to come to your house to help feed you or bathe you, but they couldn't get to your house because they couldn't afford to put gas in their car to get to you?

Congratulations if you're in a position where this doesn't affect you, or if you have other options available to you such as public transportation or carpooling. I don't have those options. Sadly, as a "typical American", it does affect me and lots of people I know. My politicians aren't helping solve the problem.

Hopefully, there are smarter people (hell, everyone's smarter than most of our politicians) out there that are working on solving the problem, and I hope those solutions come quickly.


Guess what? Either charge more for your services or suck it up. That economics.
If you call the plumber. Expect to pay $90 for him to just show up. And then that per hour for him to stay there.

Don't like them apples? Call your Senator or Representative and tell them to quit giving tax breaks to Oil companies and to invest your tax dollars in alternative fuels. biatching on the internets isn't helping.
 
2008-05-08 05:15:00 PM
DaSwankOne: So you were trolling earlier or is my sacrasm meter broken?

Well, I was kidding about the expensive drilling mud bit. It would probably be more expensive to round up all you Progressives, grind you up, and throw the muck downhole where it can actually do something valuable for a change.

So you can rest easily. For now.
 
2008-05-08 05:15:03 PM
Tartha De Tear: This is not where you wanted to go, Nutsac. They've had record profits per quarter as an industry for the last five years.

Record Profit all by itself is meaningless.
It can go up because of acquisition of another company.
Record expenses can co up and increase more than the profit.
Nobody reports that.. because everybody wants to feel that
the reason they have to pay 100$ to fill up their Ford is because of someone ELSE.
 
2008-05-08 05:15:18 PM
DaSwankOne: Adolf_Hilton:What our economic system "gets us" is a standard of living the vast, vast majority of the people in the world could only dream about.

Most of that standard of living was provided by the Progressive social programs of the 1940's 50's and 60's that gave us a competitive advantage. That and the fact that we have never faced an invasion or carpet bombing from another country in the 1940's. You think the free market built this internet you are using that has created tons of capital and jobs for our generation? THE FREE MARKET RULL!!EZZZ@@@!!ii1



No, that standard of living was provided by abundant, easily transported energy. Progressive social programs, like not working your ass off in dangerous conditions for 12 hours a day, 6 days a week, are a result of a well-developed economy, not the cause of it. Cuba has 'progressive social programs' - but they don't have a well-developed economy.

The internet was created by the same thing that created 'McMansions' and 'weekends in Vegas' and 'weekends off' and 'giving infants and the handicapped and the elderly health care' - abundant energy.
 
2008-05-08 05:16:31 PM
This isn't about running out of oil -- this is about the oil companies FARKING US OVER. Record profits = there's more to this than just demand increasing. I'm glad I make enough that it doesn't matter much to me, but I feel bad for the millions who are getting hit extremely hard by this.

Do a little research Dummy. It is a combination of demand, and rising oil prices(which oil companies do not control). They make the same goddamn profit margin they always have, about 9%. That is less than most big corporations. Google is almost as big as Exxon Mobil, biatch about them much? Get your head out of your asses.

"big oil" is not doing anything wrong, you just need somone to biatch at. The government makes more money off a gallon of gas than the oil companies do. Jesus Christ people are stupid. Try blaming the goddamn liberal tree huggers who for the last 50 years have stood in the way of almost any drilling in our country, expanding of refinery capability, and building clean, green, nuclear power plants. It is their fault, not oil companies.

"Big oil is evil", if you think that, you truly have no brains at all.
 
2008-05-08 05:17:06 PM
DaSwankOne: MaxxLarge: Honestly, how stupid do they think we are?!?

Dude, we are a nation that makes a median household income of $40,000. We live in a median home prices at $250,000 and drive two median level of cars that cost a median value of $15,000. We also have $8000 average in unsecured credit card debt. We cry when someone want to raise the minimum wage a buck because we might have to pay 5% more for t-shirts down at the Wal-Mart while our tax dollars go to provide food stamps and Medicaid to the 40% of their full time employees that qualify for federal assistance. We are a nation filled with many people that would not have eaten a vegetable all week if potatoes, ketchup and frosted corn flakes were not somehow considered vegetables. We are nation where 33% of the electorate thinks that the guy who went to United Church of Christ is a Muslim and do not understand that even if he was a Muslim secret agent that the President of the United States does not have the power to nuke American cities. We are a nation that can name more characters on the Simpson's than we can former Presidents. We are a nation full of people that can not find Iraq on a map. Worst of all we are a nation where a small majority of smarter and less moral people take advantage of the fact that we are a nation of idiots and those of us that know better do nothing about it. That is America in the 21st Century.


If you were not already a TFer, I would have gladly sponsored you.
 
2008-05-08 05:18:04 PM
People laughed at me when I bought a motorcycle to commute.

Then gas prices rose sharply. Now while i'm paying $12 a week to commute, they are stuck paying $70-90.

Paid for itself, really, even after insurrence costs, i'm still under what it cost me to fuel my car.
 
2008-05-08 05:19:14 PM
Tartha De Tear: Nutsac_Jim: Yet everyone shut their effing mouth when their salary went up 2x and their house went up 3x in the same period.

Now I know you're an idiot. The median income went up less than 20%, depending on the market. Housing went up between 20% and 2000% depending on the market.


It only went up 20% for unskilled gas station attendants.

Besides.. what are you quoting a median for anyway?
 
2008-05-08 05:19:32 PM
Pr1nc3ss: Question for everyone saying we whine but don't change our ways, what if you live in a small city (45,000+), and the nearest public transportation is a 30 minute drive and a minute and a half away from your job? That's our current problem. We're trying to cut back, so we never leave the house. My husband can't take a cab b/c it's $40 (not saving anything), his co-workers live an hour away from their job (no carpooling) and the closest public transportation is a Metro bus stop down the street from his job. How are we supposed to cut back? You can't ride a bicycle in a business suit during the summer (or any season) in Texas.
I'm honestly asking for suggestions. Gas is killing us.


1. Keep the suit in the office. Get a membership at the local gym. Bike to work and then shower and change to the business suit and go to work. Put the suit back into the office or gym locker after work and bike back. Also good for health but more risk of accidents.

2. You don't have to carpool with co-workers. You can carpool with anyone who lives in the vicinity and goes to work at the same vicinity.

3. Ask your city to start a public transportation. It sucks really bad but after a while you get used to it. The 15 minute wait in the front of the bus-stop sign isn't so bad with a portable video player or handheld game system or a book, newspaper. Plus, ask them to get those new buses with GPS information transmitter so you can check where the bus is from a website and maybe cut down on the wait or not miss the bus.

But, the most sensible thing is to move, or buy a small condo in the city and keep the house and go to your house in the weekends and holidays.
 
2008-05-08 05:19:40 PM
shower_in_my_socks: And no one seems serious about mass-producing an affordable alternative to gasoline-powered cars that meets the needs of the average American family.

www.martinfrost.ws
 
2008-05-08 05:20:05 PM
Record Profit all by itself is meaningless.
It can go up because of acquisition of another company.


Yeah, I took Accounting 101, too. I realize that coorelation is not causation, but when a certain good more than doubles in price at the same time the producers of that good experience record profits -- all of it a TREND over several years, and not just an anomaly -- those record profits are a bit more than just "meaningless."
 
2008-05-08 05:20:43 PM
Pr1nc3ss: Dude! I live in an apartment! We're pretty farking poor! The only reason we stay in this city is b/c my husband's best friend owns the complex and our rent is dirt cheap. Please don't stereotype me as a person who lives beyond their means. I wish I could have that option.

I'm not saying that you're living beyond your means by buying more than you can afford. But by living where you live and so far from work your costs are rising, that will not change.

Call your Senator or Representative and tell them to quit giving tax breaks to Oil companies and to invest your tax dollars in alternative fuels.

Also, what state do you live in? Relocating to major city with mass transportation will look more and more attractive as gs gets higher and higher.

Think about how many hours you work every morning just to pay off getting there...

\good luck-You're not the only one feeling the pinch of high gas prices. Seriously call your representatives!
 
2008-05-08 05:22:27 PM
Am I making a point? Perhaps...

Not at all.

GDP output in millions of dollars:

1. US 13,843,825
2. Japan 4,383,762
3. Germany 3,322,147
4. China 3,250,827
5. UK 2,772,570

Ya, poor United States, we really are not doing so hot huh. Only bigger than the 4 next biggest countries combined

Do hippies ever think?
 
2008-05-08 05:22:56 PM
Nutsac_Jim: Tartha De Tear: Nutsac_Jim: Yet everyone shut their effing mouth when their salary went up 2x and their house went up 3x in the same period.

Now I know you're an idiot. The median income went up less than 20%, depending on the market. Housing went up between 20% and 2000% depending on the market.

It only went up 20% for unskilled gas station attendants.

Besides.. what are you quoting a median for anyway?


I'm quoting a median because we have a skewed curve of income distribution. Whether or not the top 1% increased their income 200% or not has little to do with your call for the majority of people to shut their complaining pie holes because they had increased income to balance out increased costs.

If memory serves, we went from around $14.50 median income per wage earner to somewhere around $17.30 median income per wage earner. I'm not sure where you pulled the doubling of salary, but that simply wasn't what the majority of people experienced. Thus, your point would be irrelevant to a majority of people.
 
2008-05-08 05:25:09 PM
digitalrain:I read a local article about some college kids at UCF who are making their own bio-diesel (using grease from the traps at the local on-campus Chick Fil-A of all things) and it cost them around 88 cents per gallon to make. They give a percentage of the fuel they make to the college, which has saved the college several hundred thousand dollars per year in fuel costs.

Yes, biodiesel is another promising technology. It's a fairly easy way to go from solar energy -> liquid hydrocarbon fuel. There are problems with scale though: Chick Fil-A might be fine for a group of college kids, but it can't replace OPEC. In the end, it will be one of a number of technologies that will have to work together to support our energy requirements.

I doubt that there will ever be significant food shortages within the US (provided our population doesn't balloon) due to the large amount of good farmland. ...but I think there are going to have to be some serious decisions made within the next century regarding the relative importance of energy for the domestic market vs. food for export & aid. Both require land, and we only have so much of that...
 
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