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(Dub Dub Dee En)   Hillary Clinton: The psycho ex-girlfriend of the Democratic Party. Wheatowned (not safe for work language)   (wilwheaton.typepad.com ) divider line
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2008-05-08 08:55:03 AM  
re-elect_jimmy_carter: clintons are definitely GOP light.

Where do you get these things from?
 
2008-05-08 08:56:06 AM  
Paedophile_Deluxe: Maybe the cynical he-went-there-for-street-cred thing is true, but he did join the church something like 6 or 7 years before he ever ran for office. I think it was more of a personal get-in-touch-with-my-roots thing than anything. And once you're a member of a church, it's probably kind of difficult to abandon them.

Could be.

Either way I don't think he buys into Wright's BS. But you have to admit that it does bring a stink into his campaign. I don't think it is a deal breaker, especially since his last comments on it, but it isn't a nonissue.
 
2008-05-08 08:56:28 AM  
TheDumbBlonde: Another "celebrity" endorsement. I'm convinced now.

If he's good enough for Wesley Crusher, shouldn't he be good enough for you?
 
2008-05-08 08:56:44 AM  
liam76 2008-05-08 08:22:15 AM
re-elect_jimmy_carter: and then there's reagan supplying terrorists in return for terrorists keeping hostages until the inauguration day.

I think you need to brush up on your history.

Iran freed the 42 hostages because the knew reagan would put a boot up their ass. This was from late 79 untilk Jan 81.

In 83 Hezebullah kidnapped 30 people, six of whom were US citizens. The US then traded arms to Iran so they would put pressure on Hezebullah to free the hostages.

Do you have no idea what happened or are you intentionally trying to link the two situations? If you have no idea, you should probably read up on it.

CarolynLibrarian: Until recently, when McCain started sucking up. This is why it was presented as, "McCain (who is inexplicably running for Bush's third term)."

I can hardly believe it either, but the fact is, he's pretty-much pledged to stay the Bush course.

That was campaigning for the Rep nomination. There a re lot of differences there.



Just to clarify - is the argument that Reagan was Not in collusion with the Iranian terrorists to hold their hostages until After his inauguration? I'd always thought that was pretty clearly understood, but before I go digging I want to make sure that there's opposition to this statement.

Moreover, is there disagreement that weapons were supplied to The Iranians ala Ollie North?
 
2008-05-08 08:57:33 AM  
One never-was starting a slap-fight with a has-been.

// wil who?

//sits back and grabs some popcorn.
// chick fights are cool
 
2008-05-08 08:57:48 AM  
MadAsshatter: re-elect_jimmy_carter: clintons are definitely GOP light.

Where do you get these things from?


NAFTA?
 
2008-05-08 08:58:17 AM  
The one time that Dems could completely, absolutely, utterly walk away with a presidential election. The one time that, arguably, 75% of the country is thinking, "Anyone but a Republican" and what happens?

A freakin' cage match that has nearly everyone rolling their eyes and scrambling for the remote every time something about the Democratic campaign comes up.
 
2008-05-08 08:58:29 AM  
Wil knocked that one right out of the park. Nice one, Wil!
 
2008-05-08 08:58:41 AM  
liam76: How many black people would embrace a white candidate whose 20 yr mentor said blacks were the cause of all the white peoples problems? Who said black people gave whites AIDS?

Probably not many, which is part of the problem of treating politics as an advertising campaign that focuses on perception. That's all I'm saying. How many women would vote for me if my bud actually were my 'spiritual' advisor (which he isn't since we're both athiests). Yet I'm an egalitarian.

I do the cooking, I do the laundry for my family, I'm primary co-nurturer for about half of the time, I'm more a woman's libber than my wife is. Yet perception can be so easily played with...perception is unreliable and a hell of a way to pick a leader for your country.

Just sayin'
 
2008-05-08 08:58:58 AM  
Doesn't Hillary have more of the popular vote right now? Please correct me if I'm wrong, I know you will.
Hasn't Hillary also been doing better and Obama slipping since the news of Rev. Wright, his dealings with the shady Rezko and friendship with Ayers of the weather-under-ground have finally seen the light of day in the press? He is slipping and she is gaining.
She could still get the nomination with the system the democrats use for nomination. Super delegates, more powerful than thousands of voters/delegates... what is up with that? How undemocratic.
 
2008-05-08 08:59:36 AM  
re-elect_jimmy_carter: nothing decides elections quite like terrorism.

Is that the madrid train bombing?

Not sure what it has to do with your allegations that reagan made secret arms deals befor ehe was president that don't have a shred of evidence to back them up.
 
2008-05-08 09:00:03 AM  
Phil Herup: Reagan bankrupted the Soviet Union with an arms race, plus he blocked many other sources of income for them.


Is he right? 'Cause I know that's the *popular* version of what went on there. And a lot of people like to believe that. I wish I could, but I was *there*. I wasn't here in a class room, hoping I was right, thinking about it.

I was up to my knees in rice paddies, with guns that didn't work! Going in there, looking for Charlie, slugging it out with him; While pussies like you were back here partying, putting headbands on, doing drugs, and listening to the goddamn Beatle albums! Oh! Oh! Oh!
 
2008-05-08 09:01:09 AM  
re-elect_jimmy_carter: the soviet union was headed for bankrupcy in the early 70s.

That is right. Then Reagan stuck the knife in its heart. B/C he had balls and Carter did not.

Balls.....a POTUS needs them.
 
2008-05-08 09:01:17 AM  
Jster422: Just to clarify - is the argument that Reagan was Not in collusion with the Iranian terrorists to hold their hostages until After his inauguration? I'd always thought that was pretty clearly understood, but before I go digging I want to make sure that there's opposition to this statement.

He wasn't.

Jster422: Moreover, is there disagreement that weapons were supplied to The Iranians ala Ollie North?

No. However that was a completely different situation.
 
2008-05-08 09:02:13 AM  
its one thing when fark breaks, but when the last thread is a wheaton thread? christ
 
2008-05-08 09:02:40 AM  
Phil Herup: The war in Afghanistan that we financed, totally helped do that.

yeah and now the same people are doing it to us.
 
2008-05-08 09:03:44 AM  
Tyee: Doesn't Hillary have more of the popular vote right now? Please correct me if I'm wrong, I know you will.
Hasn't Hillary also been doing better and Obama slipping since the news of Rev. Wright, his dealings with the shady Rezko and friendship with Ayers of the weather-under-ground have finally seen the light of day in the press? He is slipping and she is gaining.
She could still get the nomination with the system the democrats use for nomination. Super delegates, more powerful than thousands of voters/delegates... what is up with that? How undemocratic.


you live in your own rose colored world, right?
 
2008-05-08 09:04:03 AM  
Phil Herup: That is right. Then Reagan stuck the knife in its heart. B/C he had balls and Carter did not.

By doing what, exactly? Delivering flowery speeches?
 
2008-05-08 09:04:42 AM  
equilibrium: Phil Herup: Reagan bankrupted the Soviet Union with an arms race, plus he blocked many other sources of income for them.


Is he right? 'Cause I know that's the *popular* version of what went on there. And a lot of people like to believe that. I wish I could, but I was *there*. I wasn't here in a class room, hoping I was right, thinking about it.

I was up to my knees in rice paddies, with guns that didn't work! Going in there, looking for Charlie, slugging it out with him; While pussies like you were back here partying, putting headbands on, doing drugs, and listening to the goddamn Beatle albums! Oh! Oh! Oh!


All right. I'll say it. 'Cause Truman was too much of a *pussy wimp* to let MacArthur go in there and blow out those Commie bastards!
 
2008-05-08 09:05:20 AM  
Wil Wheaton!

fark YEAH, Wil Wheaton!

Wil Wheaton, fark YEAH!
 
2008-05-08 09:05:42 AM  
I'm never comfortable after seeing the word "twitter" in an otherwise grounded message.

/tweet?
//srsly??
 
2008-05-08 09:05:49 AM  
I think Wil Wheaton is a pretty cool guy. eh fights for freedom and doesn't afraid of anything
 
2008-05-08 09:05:53 AM  
Headso: MadAsshatter: re-elect_jimmy_carter: clintons are definitely GOP light.

Where do you get these things from?

NAFTA?


You mean the thing that her husband had an enormous hand in? Of course she supported it at the time and since it's now unpopular with her party she has changed her tune. Look at her stances now on corporate tax, healthcare. It's all talking point bullshiat as she's already failed once on healthcare and probably wouldn't try it again, but GOP light it is not.
 
2008-05-08 09:05:56 AM  
Phil Herup: re-elect_jimmy_carter: the soviet union was headed for bankrupcy in the early 70s.

That is right. Then Reagan stuck the knife in its heart. B/C he had balls and Carter did not.

Balls.....a POTUS needs them.


Reagan didn't do shiat, the USSR had been hemorraging hard currency since the 50s, seeing how their factories were producing goods that cost more to make than what they were sold for.
 
2008-05-08 09:06:04 AM  
Hobodeluxe: Phil Herup: The war in Afghanistan that we financed, totally helped do that.

yeah and now the same people are doing it to us.



The "enemy of my enemy is my friend"

Time change as do allies.
 
2008-05-08 09:06:18 AM  
liam76: If someone is my mentor then they wouldn't have any ideas I find repulsive or fundamentally disagree with.

Oh, and to address this...then you've never had a mentor? Because everybody has some ideas that are going to fundamentally conflict with your own. I had a mentor in my last career in corporate library sciences. We fundamentally disagreed on the topic of education for children. I guess he wasn't really a mentor?

I'm an entrepreneur now, and I have a business mentor. We are fundamentally divided on politics.

I don't see why you can't have a 'spiritual advisor', someone who is your mentor to understanding the fundamental and personal questions of 'Why are we here' and 'What does God want me to do', in other words agree and follow their thoughts on God, yet disagree on their perceptions of society and how how the nation should be.

They're two seperate spheres.
 
2008-05-08 09:06:58 AM  
Rev. Skarekroe: faux-fatty: Does this mean that they're
all united against us...?
It's like one big political circle jerk!

Well, DUH.
At least none of the candidates are Skull & Bones this time.


Council of Foreign Relations. David Rockefeller.
Oh go search youtube if so inclined. I have work to do.

/glad to see most of the superdelegates saving it for the convention, instead of making the convention moot.
 
2008-05-08 09:07:42 AM  
I admit that for a long time I was supporting Hillary just because she was a woman and I think she's the only shot women have for a long time of being president. Then I realized that is the wrong stance to take, and I was all like, "Don't Tell Mama, I'm for Obama!"

But if the impossible happens, I would absolutely vote for Hillary over McCain. And all those Obama supporters would do the same and should quit biatching and say they'd either stay home or vote R. That's bullshiat.
 
2008-05-08 09:08:11 AM  
MadAsshatter: You mean the thing that her husband had an enormous hand in?

yes, that is why the clintons are GOP light...
 
2008-05-08 09:08:18 AM  
Hobodeluxe: Phil Herup: The war in Afghanistan that we financed, totally helped do that.

yeah and now the same people are doing it to us.


You mean we're doing it to the same people. The point of disturbing the hornet's nest is that you stay the hell away from it afterwards. What we're doing now has nothing to do with provocations then.
 
2008-05-08 09:08:44 AM  
Tyee: Doesn't Hillary have more of the popular vote right now? Please correct me if I'm wrong, I know you will.

No, she's down by 700,000+ votes.

Hasn't Hillary also been doing better and Obama slipping since the news of Rev. Wright, his dealings with the shady Rezko and friendship with Ayers of the weather-under-ground have finally seen the light of day in the press? He is slipping and she is gaining.

Since those stories have hit, he's netted 1 pledged delegate and 25+ superdelegates.

She could still get the nomination with the system the democrats use for nomination. Super delegates, more powerful than thousands of voters/delegates... what is up with that? How undemocratic.

Technically, she could, but practically, she can't. And yes, it's ridiculously undemocratic.
 
2008-05-08 09:08:52 AM  
Shaggy_C: By doing what, exactly? Delivering flowery speeches?

Man...the education system has really screwed up our children.

Arms Race
War in Afghanistan
Blocking access to funds


Face it Reagan haters.....he actually did some good things.
 
2008-05-08 09:10:34 AM  
Nestea Plunge: Reagan didn't do shiat

OK that is right.

He finished them off pal. Accept it.
 
2008-05-08 09:10:52 AM  
Phil Herup: Shaggy_C: By doing what, exactly? Delivering flowery speeches?

Man...the education system has really screwed up our children.

Arms Race
War in Afghanistan
Blocking access to funds


Face it Reagan haters.....he actually did some good things.


He was a good speechifier but a rotten president. Reagan sold his soul when he traded money and weapons with Islamic Jihad for hostages. He also left those Marines in Beirut like sitting ducks, then ran away when they got killed.
 
2008-05-08 09:11:29 AM  
Phil Herup: Nestea Plunge: Reagan didn't do shiat

OK that is right.

He finished them off pal. Accept it.


Hardly.
 
2008-05-08 09:11:57 AM  
MadAsshatter: What we're doing now has nothing to do with provocations then.

I did not say it did. Different conflicts.
 
2008-05-08 09:11:57 AM  
Headso: MadAsshatter: You mean the thing that her husband had an enormous hand in?

yes, that is why the clintons are GOP light...


Way to ignore the rest of my post.
 
2008-05-08 09:13:57 AM  
Nestea Plunge: Hardly.

Did the USSR collapse right after Reagan left office, after a huge effort to collapse them.

Yes.

So maybe you don't know what you are talking about. How old were you in 1989?
 
2008-05-08 09:15:05 AM  
Phil Herup: MadAsshatter: What we're doing now has nothing to do with provocations then.

I did not say it did. Different conflicts.


I wasn't responding to you.
 
2008-05-08 09:15:21 AM  
The powers that be already have chosen McCain to be the next president. Hillary is part of that group, and this whole thing is just a ruse to make sure that Obama loses vs. McCain.
 
2008-05-08 09:15:33 AM  
But what does img1.fark.net think?
 
2008-05-08 09:15:56 AM  
nygenxer: In my opinion, a fundamental change is needed in order to undo the damage of Dumbya Bush and his cronies and Obama is the best candidate for the job.

\(^.^)/ 4 more years of huge government expansion and trampling individual liberties, freedoms, rights to property, and the Constitution! Sounds like a great time!

Anybody who wants real change needs to look outside of the two party political machine. Vote with your conscience and perhaps other parties will eventually get enough votes to be viable. Egging on this ridiculous idol worship and gameshow/popularity contest by the unwashed idiotic masses sickens me. "ZOMG look at this AWESOME OBAMA CHANGE STAMP SHIRT I just bought at Urban Outfitters! I'm making a difference!"

/grumpy
//feel the same way any time anybody turns on a reality show
 
2008-05-08 09:16:18 AM  
Phil Herup: Arms Race
War in Afghanistan
Blocking access to funds


Perestroika and Glastnost had far more to do with it. After all, if we can deficit spend today forever why couldn't they back then?
 
2008-05-08 09:16:20 AM  
Nestea Plunge: He was a good speechifier but a rotten president. Reagan sold his soul when he traded money and weapons with Islamic Jihad for hostages. He also left those Marines in Beirut like sitting ducks, then ran away when they got killed.

Would you have supported putting more boots and warheads on the ground in either of those cases?

I would have and think it is one of Reagans biggest mistakes. But following that policy you would have to support bombing of Iran now.
 
2008-05-08 09:16:42 AM  
This is the reason that Wil's our fave celeb farker.

By the way, Wil's voice is in GTAIV.

Who's awesome?

Wil's awesome.
 
2008-05-08 09:16:50 AM  
Phil Herup: Face it Reagan haters.....he actually did some good things.

He also did some pretty bad things.

He also just happened to be the guy sitting in the chair when some other things that had nothing to do with him went down.
 
2008-05-08 09:17:08 AM  
Will Wheaton is a commie liberal socialist idiot too? Who'd have thought.. now I'm convinced. I hate McCain but now I just have to vote for him.
 
2008-05-08 09:17:17 AM  
Phil Herup: The "enemy of my enemy is my friend"

Time change as do allies.


Terrorism: It's ok when we do it.
 
2008-05-08 09:18:16 AM  
liam76: I would have and think it is one of Reagans biggest mistakes. But following that policy you would have to support bombing of Iran now.

Let me correct myself, I don't support bombing Iran now, but we should have then. My point is that there isn't a huge difference in the current situations.
 
2008-05-08 09:18:29 AM  
lazfx: you live in your own rose colored world, right?

Thank you for your well thought out reply.
 
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