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2008-05-07 09:01:15 AM  
FTFA:
"Moreover, Amodio said, all available "meaningful" positions - ranging from dispatch to archiving records and reports - in the department require some level of specific training or certification that Henriques does not necessarily possess."

"Farva, from now on, you're my cleaning lady!"
 
2008-05-07 09:04:28 AM  
EsteeFlwrPot:and we have to shut up and deal with it.

i'm sorry, i didn't realize this was something i'd have to shut up and deal with. it's usually the other way around.

"honey, but the x-box remote down for a sec and open this jars of pickles...please...JUST PAUSE THE FARKING GAME, I NEED PICKLES!"
 
2008-05-07 09:08:21 AM  
genzoman: people wonder all the time why there arent more women in high paying position jobs...its because the males dont get pregnant and get months off WHILE being paid and have the guarantee they wont get fired

heard of paternity leave?
god bless equal rights...
 
2008-05-07 09:21:48 AM  
FTA: Moreover, Amodio said, all available "meaningful" positions - ranging from dispatch to archiving records and reports - in the department require some level of specific training or certification that Henriques does not necessarily possess.

Friend said management has had plenty of time to come up with a maternity policy. In fact, he pointed out, that scenario was raised as a hypothetical at a departmental meeting in either January of 2006 or of 2007. Amodio acknowledged that the issue had been raised at such a meeting, but at the time he said the matter could only be addressed when an officer became pregnant. Now that that has happened, the matter will be addressed."

F*cking liar. This is bullsh*t to the nth degree.
 
2008-05-07 09:35:01 AM  
lilplatinum: We want equal rights, but hold the door and pay for dinner and give us time off when we get knocked up and make special rules so that if someone is mean to me in the workplace I can sue and get rich off of being a schlampe.

This. We can't have it both ways.

3steps
Estee's farking trolling and I get my posts deleted for calling his/her ass on it..

wow.. guess I definately need a break from this place.

I assume the reason I'm the second class citizan is because

A. I'm actually female?
B. He/she's total fark?

You are still wrong Estee.


How am I trolling? And why the fark does everyone keep saying im an alt? I never understood that.

ArgusRun
I absolutely think women should be drafted. i think you'll find that other countries have managed to incorporate women into their military structure, (including combat roles) with good results.

I dont think women should be drafted because a lot of us are not physically qualified to be in the military, but women should be allowed to join if they are capable. I'm sure women do a lot better than men in some situations as well. My main point was that women are generally not as strong as men and shouldnt have positions that require them to have certain qualifications they don't have.
 
2008-05-07 09:39:11 AM  
EsteeFlwrPot - I dont understand why its so hard for women to accept that we are not completely equal to men. Men are, for the most part, stronger. If im about to get mugged by 2 big men with guns to my head the last thing I would want to see rescuing me is a tiny woman that couldnt even take them down with a taser. Same with firemen. If a 300lb fatty is burning building on the 20th floor a skinny woman isnt gonna get the guy out. Im sorry, shes not.

Women are not meant to be cops or firemen or any of the sort. Men are generally the stronger sex and we have to shut up and deal with it.


If an individual - male or female - is unable to meet the physical requirements for employment, then they should not be employed in that position. I would no more want a skinny, short male firefighter or policeman than I would want a skinny, short female firefighter or policeman.

However, if a woman can meet the physical requirements, I see no reason why she would be denied employment based purely on her gender.

My mother had wanted to be a firefighter when I was a kid - studied up hard, aced all the written tests, and almost all of the physical ones but when it came to the ones that required upper body strength, she just couldn't do it - and several of the male applicants couldn't either. She was denied employment based on that, and fully understood why - if she couldn't carry what she needed to carry to do the job, she'd be a liability.

Most women don't have the upper body strength required to do many of the heavy lifting type tasks in such fields. Some women do. Some men don't. If you can cut it in the tests, you get a job - if you can't, you need to find some other profession. Very simple.
 
2008-05-07 10:08:47 AM  
If a woman wants to be a police officer, she needs to follow the same requirements as a male. (or firefighter, military, whatever) The requirements shouldn't change just because a woman wants to do the job; I'd rather have someone who can drag my ass out of a burning building by himself than some woman who weighs as much as I do calling for help because she can't lift me.

If her doctor gives her a note stating she is on light duty, fine. Master Jedana could get a note from his doctor stating he is on light duty, so that is fair. But to say "hey, I'm pg, I need to take it easy" isn't gonna fly; that would be like going "hey, I have an allergy to peanut butter, I need to take it easy".

/get the note
//it'll take all of 5 minutes
///and if you can't do the job, then get a new one
 
2008-05-07 10:10:29 AM  
Malbar: I have to agree with the department. She isn't qualified for the desk jobs they have available and it shouldn't be a requirement for them to create a brand new position that serves no purpose simply so she can continue to get paid while being unable to work.

If she has whatever certifications or credentials were required for the light positions they had available and still denied her request I'd be on her side, but it sounds more like a case of her wanting them to give her a job other than one she is qualified for simply because she's pregnant.


THIS!
 
2008-05-07 10:24:44 AM  
Bob Falfa

i am a woman who has been arguing with people since i was 10 that women should be drafted. worried about sexual conflicts? then make all female units, which would be easy if there were a war so severe it required the draft. i believe in it....


but seriously, regardless of the coont-itude of the chick or whatever, the life inside her has no choice...so yea desk duty. how is that not responsible? isn't the military supposed to care about american lives? i guess only if they can walk and fend for themselves.....
 
2008-05-07 10:28:15 AM  
Bob Falfa


she can demand that respect if she has a gun.

/really
 
2008-05-07 10:30:33 AM  
Wasn't there a thread a week or two ago where most FARKers were up in arms over the suggestion that this site is misogynistic?

I'm all for equal-opportunity mocking, but I've seen far less hatred towards a group of people in the pedo threads. Guys, it's as simple as this. Stop blaming us because you can't get laid. Just hire a hooker already.

/Glad to help!
 
2008-05-07 10:39:30 AM  
darn these equal rights!

/i don't think you thought your cunning plan all the way through
//just watched a woman carry an oversized ladder up 5 flights of stairs
///congratulations on that whole equality thing
 
2008-05-07 10:45:16 AM  
FYI - Most of the time, cops "miss the action" and are following up after shiat happens. If you think they are always in the right place at the right time, then you watch too many cop shows.
 
2008-05-07 10:51:56 AM  
Anyone mention how hideous she looks ?

/DO NOT WANT
 
2008-05-07 11:06:24 AM  
amanogowa: mrsirjojo: Most agree a woman should be able to have an abortion regardless of what the father wants because it is her body. Well, it doesn't suddenly become two people in there when it's convenient but your body when it's not.

Sadly, this is true. The father should at least have the right to say "I don't want this child. If the child is not aborted, I have no financial responsibility to it".

Feel free to limit the male's say over the female's body, but you should also limit the female's control over the male's wallet.


STOP MAKING SENSE
 
2008-05-07 11:11:32 AM  
Mistress Jedana

LOL

because being pregnant is like an allergy...it isn't you know....a REQUIRED EVENT FOR THE CONTINUED EXISTENCE OF THE HUMAN RACE.... not at all....
 
2008-05-07 11:12:17 AM  
Men and women are not the same. They are not the same physically, mentally or emotionally.

That's pretty much all I have to say about that.
 
2008-05-07 11:33:21 AM  
I'm going to cause a ruckas here, but if half of the men on this board ever got pregnant, I can see a lot of tunes changing. You try being sick for months on end, vomiting 3-4 times daily, dealing with hemorroids the size of walnuts, insomnia, headaches, night sweats, uncontrollable mood swings, clothes that don't fit 2 weeks after you buy them, swelled ankles and feet that don't allow you to wear any normal shoes, AND the joy of birth. All to ensure the survival of the human race. Let's see you big strong guys put up with that and still go to work every day.

/Pregnant, have been working solid since finding out
//Lost 20lbs from vomiting on a daily basis.
///Does a job more physical than most men.
 
2008-05-07 12:15:37 PM  
Rose Red: amanogowa: mrsirjojo: Most agree a woman should be able to have an abortion regardless of what the father wants because it is her body. Well, it doesn't suddenly become two people in there when it's convenient but your body when it's not.

Sadly, this is true. The father should at least have the right to say "I don't want this child. If the child is not aborted, I have no financial responsibility to it".

Feel free to limit the male's say over the female's body, but you should also limit the female's control over the male's wallet.

STOP MAKING SENSE


/tip 'o the hat to the wonderful Rose Red.
 
2008-05-07 12:44:58 PM  
plastroncafe: All joking and knee-jerking aside, I don't see why more new fathers don't request "light duty" or paternity leave for the first few month's of their kids' lives.

Blame women all you want for the inequality, but really it's because men haven't organized and demanded such things.


Because of pride and a sense of duty? But those are foreign ideals in today's world I suppose.
 
2008-05-07 12:46:15 PM  
the voices in your head: I realize everyone loves a good misogyny-thread once in a while, but seriously: she's pregnant, how do you expect her to chase bad guyssit at a speedtrap and eat donuts? She can't really do her job, they should make accommodations.

FTFY
 
2008-05-07 12:52:26 PM  
Gooseycheeks: plastroncafe: All joking and knee-jerking aside, I don't see why more new fathers don't request "light duty" or paternity leave for the first few month's of their kids' lives.

Blame women all you want for the inequality, but really it's because men haven't organized and demanded such things.

Because of pride and a sense of duty? But those are foreign ideals in today's world I suppose.


I would blame it on my work ethic, and wanting respect. I have sick leave, and vacation time, and Family Medical Leave Act to use, I have no need to demand more time off, or changing job roles to a job I did not get hired for.
 
2008-05-07 01:21:45 PM  
Polar Bear Cub: pleasantpanther
...it isn't you know....a REQUIRED EVENT FOR THE CONTINUED EXISTENCE OF THE HUMAN RACE.... not at all...


She got pregnant on her own time...she can take sick leave, then unpaid leave and enjoy her contribution for continuation of the species (and butt ugly gene pool) all she wants ;)

/*runs and ducks



Pregnancy is a choice. I've made the choice to continue the species 3 times. With my 2nd child, I had to take time off of work (due to premature labor) and had my doctor write a note informing my employer of that problem. With my 3rd child, I again had preterm labor but did not take time off, had my doctor write a note and I got to sit down 15 minutes out of each hour. Either way, I cost my employer money. But without the doctors notes, I couldn't have taken time off with out losing my job, or I would have had to continue to do the job I was hired for.

I'm not saying she has to not get pregnant, I'm saying that if there is a danger, she can get a farking doctor's note to excuse her from certain duties. Her employers have to follow the doctor's notes, or face a possible lawsuit but they do not have to give her a desk job just based on the fact that she is pregnant.
 
2008-05-07 01:26:15 PM  
pleasantpanther: Mistress Jedana

LOL

because being pregnant is like an allergy...it isn't you know....a REQUIRED EVENT FOR THE CONTINUED EXISTENCE OF THE HUMAN RACE.... not at all....


So, if this woman does not give birth, the world is destroyed? What about the billions of other people on the planet that can breed responsibly?
 
2008-05-07 01:38:54 PM  
Fart_Machine: Reynolds doesn't

Well, he shouldn't.
 
2008-05-07 02:06:48 PM  
CruiserTwelve: What's the da problem here 'ere 'ey?

ftfy
 
2008-05-07 03:47:16 PM  
Welcome to equal rights. Now go register for the draft.

Equality means equal. You can take your leave time, your vacation time, your sick time... or you could find a job that better fits your lifestyle.
 
2008-05-07 04:36:20 PM  
EsteeFlwrPot: Bob Falfa: Welcome to equal rights. Now go register for the draft.

I agree with your statement.

I dont understand why its so hard for women to accept that we are not completely equal to men. Men are, for the most part, stronger. If im about to get mugged by 2 big men with guns to my head the last thing I would want to see rescuing me is a tiny woman that couldnt even take them down with a taser. Same with firemen. If a 300lb fatty is burning building on the 20th floor a skinny woman isnt gonna get the guy out. Im sorry, shes not.

Women are not meant to be cops or firemen or any of the sort. Men are generally the stronger sex and we have to shut up and deal with it.


Shouldn't you be barefoot and pregnant in your kitchen? You shouldn't even be on the internet... too much housework to do!

/as a female who's thinking about being a police officer, I'm getting a kick out of these deliciously sexist replies!
 
2008-05-07 08:32:42 PM  
giantscissors: /as a female who's thinking about being a police officer, I'm getting a kick out of these deliciously sexist replies!

Man, good luck. I've heard plenty of stories that indicate this thread has NOTHING on the crap you could face if you get into a department. But it's important that our police force reflects the community, and frankly, women are better at some of the things police are called to deal with, so it's important that women are on the force.

As for the rest of this thread, the woman had a doctors' excuse. If you think she shouldn't get pregnant because then she's temporarily disabled, then you should also get bent out of shape about all the other people who get injured doing home improvement/maintenance, sports or being involved in an accident off work time who then need accomodations. Sure, there are plenty examples where a low-wage slave gets screwed over because they were hit by some idiot and now they can't work at all, but here's a chance for someone who does a really good job at work she's qualified for and highly trained for, and the standard practice for other temporary disabilities is desk work, and the department just finally figured out what to do.
 
2008-05-08 01:46:46 AM  
amanogowa: thefatbasturd: E Arkhe: I think if I were in her position, I'd take the unpaid leave and get a desk job somewhere else in the meantime. It was her choice to get pregnant. Taxpayers shouldn't have to pay so she can sit at a desk and shred documents for 7 months.

And yet, if a male officer tore his ACL playing in a softball game, which he CHIOSE to do, I bet you the farm they'd find light duty for him while he recouped.

So they have 100% effective over-the-weekend cures for torn ACLs? Thanks for the info -- I need to go tell my co-worker who has been on crutches for 6 months and had 7 surgeries for his ACL that he is doing it wrong.


Uhm, where exactly do I say ANYTHING of the kind? My statement was they would find light duty for him while he recouped however long it would take. Your reading comprehension is nil.
 
2008-05-08 01:59:35 AM  
Mistress Jedana: Polar Bear Cub: pleasantpanther
...it isn't you know....a REQUIRED EVENT FOR THE CONTINUED EXISTENCE OF THE HUMAN RACE.... not at all...


She got pregnant on her own time...she can take sick leave, then unpaid leave and enjoy her contribution for continuation of the species (and butt ugly gene pool) all she wants ;)

/*runs and ducks


Pregnancy is a choice. I've made the choice to continue the species 3 times. With my 2nd child, I had to take time off of work (due to premature labor) and had my doctor write a note informing my employer of that problem. With my 3rd child, I again had preterm labor but did not take time off, had my doctor write a note and I got to sit down 15 minutes out of each hour. Either way, I cost my employer money. But without the doctors notes, I couldn't have taken time off with out losing my job, or I would have had to continue to do the job I was hired for.

I'm not saying she has to not get pregnant, I'm saying that if there is a danger, she can get a farking doctor's note to excuse her from certain duties. Her employers have to follow the doctor's notes, or face a possible lawsuit but they do not have to give her a desk job just based on the fact that she is pregnant.


Yeah well it was my understanding from reading the article it was her doctor that ordered the light duty.
 
2008-05-08 08:38:46 AM  
thefatbasturd: amanogowa: thefatbasturd: E Arkhe: I think if I were in her position, I'd take the unpaid leave and get a desk job somewhere else in the meantime. It was her choice to get pregnant. Taxpayers shouldn't have to pay so she can sit at a desk and shred documents for 7 months.

And yet, if a male officer tore his ACL playing in a softball game, which he CHIOSE to do, I bet you the farm they'd find light duty for him while he recouped.

So they have 100% effective over-the-weekend cures for torn ACLs? Thanks for the info -- I need to go tell my co-worker who has been on crutches for 6 months and had 7 surgeries for his ACL that he is doing it wrong.

Uhm, where exactly do I say ANYTHING of the kind? My statement was they would find light duty for him while he recouped however long it would take. Your reading comprehension is nil.


Choosing to play softball and ACCIDENTALLY getting a major injury that takes a long time, and often many surgeries to fix is nothing like CHOOSING to get pregnant, something that can be cured as an out patient at many doctors offices -- hell, sometimes you only have to go get the pill, and head home.

The situation you are comparing to is not even remotely the same. The torn ACL is an accident, and has no easy cure, and comes with a doctors note. Pregnacy is 100% optional, with an easy cure, and in this woman's case does not come with a doctor's note.

See the difference?
 
2008-05-08 11:25:17 AM  
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