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(AP)   Mildred Loving, the last person criminally convicted for marrying outside her race, has died   (hosted.ap.org ) divider line
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KIA
2008-05-05 11:00:49 AM  
Ah, Loving v. Virginia - surely no greater honor could have been brought to the Commonwealth.
 
2008-05-05 11:11:28 AM  
1967.

Holy shiat.
 
2008-05-05 11:16:07 AM  
The details are so scary in that case. The fact that the police came into their house in the middle of the night to make an arrest for miscegenation is unreal.
 
2008-05-05 11:16:13 AM  
From TFA: "The couple avoided a year in jail by agreeing to a sentence mandating that they immediately leave Virginia."

That's all kinds of screwed up.
 
2008-05-05 11:20:52 AM  
Fluff Girl:

1967.

Holy shiat.


That was pretty much my reaction as well.
 
2008-05-05 11:21:36 AM  
"Despite this Supreme Court ruling, such laws rested unenforced in several states until 2000 when Alabama became the last state to remove its law against mixed-race marriage." - Wikipedia about Ms. Loving

2000? Oh lordy
 
2008-05-05 11:29:41 AM  
This lady fought the man and won, but no "hero" tag for her?
 
2008-05-05 11:29:53 AM  
AzDownboy: "Despite this Supreme Court ruling, such laws rested unenforced in several states until 2000 when Alabama became the last state to remove its law against mixed-race marriage." - Wikipedia about Ms. Loving

2000? Oh lordy


Loving v Virginia was decided by the constitution's full faith and credit clause (which in effect, made Alabama's law unconstitutional). If Alabama had tried to enforce it, they wouldn't get very far.

Also, this landmark decision may be the best route in proving that the DOMA (defense of marriage act) is unconstitutional and that states will need to start recognizing Massachusetts marriages of gays and lesbians.
 
2008-05-05 11:45:23 AM  
Goddamned LIBERAL ACLU.

Next thing they'll be standing up for the rights of liberals to vote too.
 
2008-05-05 11:55:03 AM  
Arlington, VA, was home to the American Nazi Party. In what is now Upton Hill Regional Park, with a swimming pool, batting cage, and miniature golf course.

Half a mile from my house.

Party head George Lincoln Rockwell was assasinated 3 blocks away from my house. In 1967.

Virginia is for lovers. They say.
 
2008-05-05 12:06:19 PM  
But of course we have a total level playing field now, and any black person who lived through that era should just be happy that things are better, not carrying any resentment at all about how they were treated.

Also, the status of blacks before civil rights had no long-lasting effect on the economic vitality of black communities or families.
 
2008-05-05 12:09:01 PM  
Just read this case for a class. It had a interview with her.

It was fascinating- they crossed into DC to get married, and she didn't know that it was illegal to get married in VA, she said she thought they did that just because it was faster.
 
2008-05-05 12:09:13 PM  
Obdicut: not carrying any resentment at all about how they were treated.

Just out of curiosity, but how will carrying around resentment of how they were treated make things better today? Won't it just make them more jaded?

Also, the status of blacks before civil rights had no long-lasting effect on the economic vitality of black communities or families.

When do you feel that the two could possibly be disconnected -- today? 15 years from now? Is there some demarcation line where previous treatment will no longer effect the contemporary situation?
 
2008-05-05 12:22:55 PM  
KaponoFor3: Just out of curiosity, but how will carrying around resentment of how they were treated make things better today? Won't it just make them more jaded?

It's probably bad for them. What does that have to do with anything? It's probably bad to feel anger at your mugger after you get mugged, too.

When do you feel that the two could possibly be disconnected -- today? 15 years from now? Is there some demarcation line where previous treatment will no longer effect the contemporary situation?

Probably when the statistical variances for achievement in that group match that with the average for society at large. Of course, identifying which factors are from old mistreatment and which ones are from failed policies attempting to level the playing field, but actually just extending the problem (like affirmative action), muddy the waters.

In other words, it's a pretty impossible question to answer, partially thanks to the very nature of economic harm perpetuating, partially due to de-facto segregation existing even today in many urban centers, and partially due to lame-ass half-baked ideas attempting to "fix" the disparity.
 
2008-05-05 01:01:10 PM  
She was 11 when she started dating this guy? OMG
 
2008-05-05 01:35:42 PM  
Apparently, Virginia was not always for lovers.
 
2008-05-05 02:21:32 PM  
stpauler: Loving v Virginia was decided by the constitution's full faith and credit clause (which in effect, made Alabama's law unconstitutional). If Alabama had tried to enforce it, they wouldn't get very far.

Also, this landmark decision may be the best route in proving that the DOMA (defense of marriage act) is unconstitutional and that states will need to start recognizing Massachusetts marriages of gays and lesbians.


The Loving case was decided based on the Equal Protection/Due Process Clauses of the 14th Amendment, not the Full Faith & Credit Clause.

And binding US Supreme Court authority already holds that Loving does not apply to the issue of same-sex marriage.
 
2008-05-05 02:43:48 PM  
SkinnyHead: And binding US Supreme Court authority already holds that Loving does not apply to the issue of same-sex marriage.

You must be forgetting Williams v. North Carolina and Sherrer v. Sherrer which state that the Full Faith and credit clause do obligate other states to recognize marriage (and divorce FWIW) matters.

You're right about FF&C in Loving v. Virginia.
 
2008-05-05 02:48:15 PM  
We're too far down the thread for no one to have mentioned that the man she married was Richard (Dick) Loving.

Has there ever been a crueler name?
 
2008-05-05 02:48:20 PM  
I'd hit it.
 
2008-05-05 02:48:36 PM  
redqueenmeg: She was 11 when she started dating this guy? OMG

This. He's lucky he did not get arrested for more.....
 
2008-05-05 02:49:03 PM  
Fluff Girl: 1967.

Holy shiat.


It is amazing to me that my own mother went to a segregated school.

I think that racism (or at least pervasive, institutional racism) will only die when that last generation dies out.

I'm never happy to see someone die, but her death is a marker of progress, as will be the death of all Americans that lived during segregation.

I'm so thankful to have the opportunity to raise my children outside of that world of racism.
 
2008-05-05 02:49:19 PM  
How long will it take before we find the same prohibition against gay marriage reprehensible in a "free country"?
 
2008-05-05 02:49:28 PM  
Mildred Jeter was 11 when she and 17-year-old Richard began courting, according to Phyl Newbeck, a Vermont author who detailed the case in the 2004 book, "Virginia Hasn't Always Been for Lovers."

She became pregnant a few years later, she and Loving got married in Washington in 1958, when she was 18. Mildred told the AP she didn't realize it was illegal.


i199.photobucket.com
 
2008-05-05 02:49:35 PM  
Almighty God created the races white, black, yellow, Malay and red, and he placed them on separate continents. And but for the interference with his arrangement there would be no cause for such marriages. The fact that he separated the races shows that he did not intend for the races to mix.
 
2008-05-05 02:49:49 PM  
Apparently, Virginia was not always for lovers Lovings.
 
2008-05-05 02:50:12 PM  
fairleym: redqueenmeg: She was 11 when she started dating this guy? OMG

This. He's lucky he did not get arrested for more.....


Yeah, I thought that was weird too. Sounds like he was heading into Austrian dungeon Daddy territory.
 
2008-05-05 02:50:17 PM  
JerseyTim: Apparently, Virginia was not always for lovers.

Nice.
 
2008-05-05 02:51:06 PM  
Sounds to me like she just got a bit too uppity.
 
2008-05-05 02:51:48 PM  
Proud product of an interracial marriage. My parents when through a whole lot of shiat (strangers and family alike) and I am so proud of them for staying strong.

Keep the change coming!
 
2008-05-05 02:51:57 PM  
From TFA: "The couple avoided a year in jail by agreeing to a sentence mandating that they immediately leave Virginia."

That's all kinds of screwed up.


Not as generous as Mississippi Funbucks.
 
2008-05-05 02:52:04 PM  
enemigo_de_pepe: We're too far down the thread for no one to have mentioned that the man she married was Richard (Dick) Loving.

Has there ever been a crueler name?


Had a friend in the Army named Richard Long...
/Mail call was a hoot!
 
2008-05-05 02:52:17 PM  
Still....Tom and Helen Willis were a lot cooler.
 
2008-05-05 02:52:47 PM  
Richard Loving, FTW.

The civil rights movement could not have succeeded without the contributions of some very brave white people.
 
2008-05-05 02:53:20 PM  
Fluff Girl: 1967.

Holy shiat.



Meh, a friend of mine drove through a Klan meeting a couple of years ago outside of Bowling Green, KY. There was a burning cross and everything. On top of that, at least once a month in Lexington, I would get called a "fag" while walking around downtown, minding my own business.

/This country is more screwed up than the general public realizes
 
2008-05-05 02:53:34 PM  
stpauler: AzDownboy: "Despite this Supreme Court ruling, such laws rested unenforced in several states until 2000 when Alabama became the last state to remove its law against mixed-race marriage." - Wikipedia about Ms. Loving

2000? Oh lordy

Loving v Virginia was decided by the constitution's full faith and credit clause (which in effect, made Alabama's law unconstitutional). If Alabama had tried to enforce it, they wouldn't get very far.

Also, this landmark decision may be the best route in proving that the DOMA (defense of marriage act) is unconstitutional and that states will need to start recognizing Massachusetts marriages of gays and lesbians.


No - Loving v. Virginia turned on the Equal Protection clause, not Full Faith and Credit.
 
2008-05-05 02:54:49 PM  
AzDownboy: "Despite this Supreme Court ruling, such laws rested unenforced in several states until 2000 when Alabama became the last state to remove its law against mixed-race marriage." - Wikipedia about Ms. Loving

2000? Oh lordy


I thought that was still in Gumpistan's state constitution. A referendum to remove it was voted down a few years ago.

I've been using that against Bama and Auburn fans ever since.
 
2008-05-05 02:55:00 PM  
I grew up in Falls Church, a couple of miles from Rockwell's place over in Arlington. Those crazy Nazis were not shy. Even Northern Va. was segregated up until the mid 60's. George Wallace got Nixon elected President in '68. The Southern Strategy was a big winner! There was plenty of ridiculous racism, and it will take a couple more generations to finally get rid of it.

This wouldn't have surprised anyone back in '67, trust me. I turned 12 that year.

/Went and rioted with the hippies at Nixon's inaugural in the streets of DC in Jan., '69, too. Nearly got arrested by DC's finest after me and a buddy skipped school to go! We were 13, and very cool in our Army Field Jackets. You could buy 'em cheap at the surplus store.
 
2008-05-05 02:55:04 PM  
Fauntane: Proud product of an interracial marriage. My parents when through a whole lot of shiat (strangers and family alike) and I am so proud of them for staying strong.

Keep the change coming!

===========================

How U doin?
 
2008-05-05 02:55:40 PM  
labman: From TFA: "The couple avoided a year in jail by agreeing to a sentence mandating that they immediately leave Virginia."

That's all kinds of screwed up.


Yeah, we don't want 'em up here, either!
 
2008-05-05 02:55:43 PM  
I love that photo of her. She looks so defiant.

/Proud to be a Virginian because of her.
//Ashamed because what the state did to her and her husband.
 
2008-05-05 02:55:44 PM  
Sapper_Topo: enemigo_de_pepe: We're too far down the thread for no one to have mentioned that the man she married was Richard (Dick) Loving.

Has there ever been a crueler name?

Had a friend in the Army named Richard Long...
/Mail call was a hoot!


Any relation to Long Duck Dong

mycampfriends.com
 
2008-05-05 02:55:52 PM  
Bufu: Arlington, VA, was home to the American Nazi Party. In what is now Upton Hill Regional Park, with a swimming pool, batting cage, and miniature golf course.

We are working on adding go-karts as well.
 
2008-05-05 02:55:54 PM  
vernonFL: Almighty God created the races white, black, yellow, Malay and red, and he placed them on separate continents. And but for the interference with his arrangement there would be no cause for such marriages. The fact that he separated the races shows that he did not intend for the races to mix.

I'm gonna give you a 6/10 for going the religious route.
 
2008-05-05 02:55:54 PM  
I'm banging someone outside my race, so i'm getting a kick .. etc.

/ didn't read the thread
 
2008-05-05 02:57:18 PM  
Fluff Girl: 1967.

Holy shiat.


and if you really want your mind blown, consider that In The United State of America , less than 50 years ago, a JUDGE of a criminal trial court issued the following written opinion:

"Almighty God created the races white, black, yellow, malay and red, and he placed them on separate continents. And but for the interference with his arrangement there would be no cause for such marriages. The fact that he separated the races shows that he did not intend for the races to mix."



/Darwin Wept.


PS: this is the statute they violated:


Intermarriage prohibited; meaning of term 'white persons.' -- It shall hereafter be unlawful for any white person in this State to marry any save a white person, or a person with no other admixture of blood than white and American Indian. For the purpose of this chapter, the term 'white person' shall apply only to such person as has no trace whatever of any blood other than Caucasian; but persons who have one-sixteenth or less of the blood of the American Indian and have no other non-Caucasic blood shall be deemed to be white persons. All laws heretofore passed and now in effect regarding the intermarriage of white and colored persons shall apply to marriages prohibited by this chapter." Va. Code Ann. § 20-54 (1960 Repl. Vol.).

The exception for persons with less than one-sixteenth "of the blood of the American Indian" is apparently accounted for, in the words of a tract issued by the Registrar of the State Bureau of Vital Statistics, by "the desire of all to recognize as an integral and honored part of the white race the descendants of John Rolfe and Pocahontas . . . ." Plecker, The New Family and Race Improvement, 17 Va. Health Bull., Extra No. 12, at 25-26 (New Family Series No. 5, 1925), cited in Wadlington, The Loving Case: Virginia's Anti-Miscegenation Statute in Historical Perspective, 52 Va. L. Rev. 1189, 1202, n. 93 (1966).
 
2008-05-05 02:57:38 PM  
moops: Mildred Jeter was 11 when she and 17-year-old Richard began courting, according to Phyl Newbeck, a Vermont author who detailed the case in the 2004 book, "Virginia Hasn't Always Been for Lovers."

She became pregnant a few years later, she and Loving got married in Washington in 1958, when she was 18. Mildred told the AP she didn't realize it was illegal.


He should've been forced to rot in jail, not for marrying a darkie but for getting involved with AN ELEVEN YEAR OLD.

Jesus H. Christ.
 
2008-05-05 02:57:54 PM  
64.13.133.31

"Lookin' at the white girl is a foul. Speakin' to the white girl is a technical foul! Marryin' that white girl... hehehe, that's a LYNCHIN'!"
 
2008-05-05 02:58:14 PM  
In the US? My god.
 
2008-05-05 02:58:32 PM  
AeAe

I'm banging someone outside my race, so i'm getting a kick .. etc.


.. would that be a goat, or a monkey?

//so sorry...
 
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