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2008-05-07 12:21:19 PM
Anyone else have any interesting stories regarding where they were? I'm here for those...

/Can't watch this here at work for some reason, but will definetly watch when I get home
//Not weird, just very interested in history and these type of things
 
2008-05-07 12:29:50 PM
I was watching Good Morning America, getting ready for work. The first plane had hit, and while they were speculating on exactly what happened with that, the second plane hit, making it pretty clear they weren't accidents.

Kinda wish I could find footage I saw on Fox later that day (not a Fox watcher, but I was channel surfing, when one channel was saying boring, repetitive shiat, I'd go to another to see if they were saying anything more interesting or informative). There were 2 Fox talking heads, 1 male, 1 female, and they were talking to some expert guy. The expert guy said something the talking heads didn't like and one of them (I think it was the chick) said something pretty assholish and ignorant (on Fox - I know, I was shocked) back to him, then they go to break, come back, expert guy is gone, the two assholes are back yapping about shiat they'd already yapped about.
 
2008-05-07 12:29:56 PM
cormac_zoso: Quinzy: The 9/11 truthers drive me nuts. I just don't understand how retarded these people are. Our government can't hid the president getting a BJ, but they can hide a massive conspiracy of everyone living in two separate gigantic metropolises and a few people in a small town in PA. Right...

/sorry for the rant
//great site.

then i'd like to see the wreckage from the pennsylvania crash and the pentagon crash ... there's no wreckage ... when planes crash, there's wreckage ... lots of it ... bodies, wings, tail sections, etc etc etc ... where is it?

if the plane in pennsylvania was flying that fast toward the ground, the wings would have torn off ... ask a boeing engineer (like the truth people have) ... a plane like that cannot fly much over 200 mph at under 1,000 feet ... they aren't built for that ... the wings would tear off ... if that plane was zooming toward the ground like that, the wings would have torn off and would be elsewhere, not in that hole where everything and everyone magically disappeared ... also the coroner never found a drop of blood ... not one ... not one finger, toe, arm, leg ...

same with the pentagon plane ... where is it? the engines would have been left for sure since they are pretty much indestructible ... and no, the rotor-type piece that they always show in a picture is not from an engine from a jet like that ... it's far too small ... those engines are over six feet tall ... again, they asked an engineer at rolls royce who builds those engines and he said that is not a piece from that engine ... no wings, no cockpit, no engines, and again, no bodies ... nothing ...

sorry, it just isn't possible ...

and this of course is aside from the fact that buildings like the WTC cannot collapse as they did at freefall speed ... sorry ... impossible ... again ... and only three steel structure skyscrapers have ever collapsed from "fire" ... and all three were there at WTC on 911 ...

it was an incredible day ... so many impossible things happened that, well, the government's story is impossible ...

sorry for the rant but i get very tired of hearing people just call all this nonsense ... open your eyes ... try a little common sense ... it just isn't possible the way they say it happened ...


www.prisonplanet.com
"You've convinced me."
 
2008-05-07 12:34:01 PM
cormac_zoso:
then i'd like to see the wreckage from the pennsylvania crash and the pentagon crash ... there's no wreckage ... when planes crash, there's wreckage ... lots of it ... bodies, wings, tail sections, etc etc etc ... where is it?

if the plane in pennsylvania was flying that fast toward the ground, the wings would have torn off ... ask a boeing engineer (like the truth people have) ... a plane like that cannot fly much over 200 mph at under 1,000 feet ... they aren't built for that ... the wings would tear off ... if that plane was zooming toward the ground like that, the wings would have torn off and would be elsewhere, not in that hole where everything and everyone magically disappeared ... also the coroner never found a drop of blood ... not one ... not one finger, toe, arm, leg ...

same with the pentagon plane ... where is it? the engines would have been left for sure since they are pretty much indestructible ... and no, the rotor-type piece that they always show in a picture is not from an engine from a jet like that ... it's far too small ... those engines are over six feet tall ... again, they asked an engineer at rolls royce who builds those engines and he said that is not a piece from that engine ... no wings, no cockpit, no engines, and again, no bodies ... nothing ...

sorry, it just isn't possible ...

and this of course is aside from the fact that buildings like the WTC cannot collapse as they did at freefall speed ... sorry ... impossible ... again ... and only three steel structure skyscrapers have ever collapsed from "fire" ... and all three were there at WTC on 911 ...

it was an incredible day ... so many impossible things happened that, well, the government's story is impossible ...

sorry for the rant but i get very tired of hearing people just call all this nonsense ... open your eyes ... try a little common sense ... it just isn't possible the way they say it happened ...


Tell me, oh master of Common Sense: If the government was that willing to engage in massive conspiracies and cover-ups in order to lie to the world, why didn't they "find" WMD's in Iraq?

I mean, it wasn't long over there before the military had control of every airport and seaport in the country. It would have been a minor deal at most to bury a couple caches of chemical weapons in the desert and then "find" them. The Bush administration would have appeared justified, instead of incompetent. So why didn't this happen if the government was willing to go so far as to stage 9/11?
 
2008-05-07 12:35:10 PM
eerie.
 
2008-05-07 12:39:01 PM
cormac_zoso

If you dont't think fire can melt steel burning that long i have a steel workshop and some oxy-acytelene torches for you to play with and test your thoery about fire not being able to melt the steel away. Also if you want we can fire up my kiln using the stuff i would use for Raku and we can see how well your steel holds up the heat. You might be suprised at what's left.

/burnt through way to much steel learning to weld properly. Found out i need to work faster than a lot of people so i keep my gases turned up pretty high.
// Fart jokes need not apply.
 
2008-05-07 12:44:27 PM
Oh the horror!!!! We've all been reminded of that day, and now we're using Fark as a forum to tell each other where we were and how it affected it us. THE HEALING HAS BEGUN!!! I see a glimmer of hope for the future!!! An eagle is shedding a tear as we speak.
 
2008-05-07 12:45:35 PM
Xemn:
Tell me, oh master of Common Sense: If the government was that willing to engage in massive conspiracies and cover-ups in order to lie to the world, why didn't they "find" WMD's in Iraq?


I'm not trying to argue in favor of the person you are responding to, but, what difference would it have made? No WMDs were found, yet the current administration has just kept right on trucking without any warcrimes tribunal against Bush et al. There wasn't even an attempt at impeachment.

With such a submissive populace, why would they have to bother planting any WMDs?
 
2008-05-07 12:47:53 PM
9/11 Commission co-chair Lee Hamilton says "I don't believe for a minute we got everything right", that the Commission was set up to fail, that people should keep asking questions about 9/11, that the 9/11 debate should continue, and that the 9/11 Commission report was only "the first draft" of history.

http://www.911podcasts.com/files/video/CBCSunday_20060910.wmv

The former director of the FBI says there was a cover up by the 9/11 Commission

http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/11/17/122900.shtml

The 9/11 Commissioners knew that military officials lied to the Commission, and considered recommending criminal charges for such false statements, yet didn't bother to tell the American people.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/01/AR2006080101300. html?sub=new

9/11 Commissioner Bob Kerrey said that "There are ample reasons to suspect that there may be some alternative to what we outlined in our version . . . We didn't have access...."

http://salon.com/ent/feature/2006/06/27/911_conspiracies/index4.html

And former 9/11 Commissioner Max Cleland resigned from the Commission, stating: "It is a national scandal. This investigation is now compromised. One of these days we will have to get the full story because the 9-11 issue is so important to America. But this White House wants to cover it up."

http://dir.salon.com/story/news/feature/2003/11/21/cleland/index.html?pn=1

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2003/11/13/911_panel_to_get_access_to _withheld_data/

Bush opposed Preliminarily, President Bush and Vice-President Cheney took the rare step of personally requesting that congress limit all 9/11 investigation solely to "intelligence failures" , so there has never been a congressional probe into any of the real issues
involved.

http://archives.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/01/29/inv.terror.probe/

The administration also opposed the creation of a 9/11 commission.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/05/15/attack/main509096.shtml

President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney's meeting with the 9/11 commission is the latest chapter in historical wrestle between the executive branches and legislative branches. Although the agreement to appear is a compromise, the meeting took place largely on White House terms. In allowing Mr. Bush and Cheney to appear, the White House stipulated that no transcripts would be taken and that neither would speak under oath, hence differentiating it from formal testimony.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/04/28/politics/main614604.shtml

The investigators for the Congressional Joint Inquiry discovered that an FBI informant had hosted and even rented a room to two hijackers in 2000 and that, when the Inquiry sought to interview the informant, the FBI refused outright, and then hid him in an unknown location, and that a high-level FBI official stated these blocking maneuvers were undertaken under orders from the White House.

http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/05/11/con05439.html
 
2008-05-07 12:48:42 PM
nyah nyah nyah

=)
 
2008-05-07 12:54:59 PM
Xenomech:
I'm not trying to argue in favor of the person you are responding to, but, what difference would it have made? No WMDs were found, yet the current administration has just kept right on trucking without any warcrimes tribunal against Bush et al. There wasn't even an attempt at impeachment.

With such a submissive populace, why would they have to bother planting any WMDs?
They might not be facing any tribunals, but the administration's approval rating is in the gutter, and they have faced massive criticism over the war. All that could have been different with a minor conspiracy, nowhere near the scope of what the Truthers allege about 9/11.

My point is that if they were willing to lie back then, they would have been more than willing to use a much smaller, easier to carry out and conceal lie in Iraq. But they didn't, which seriously calls into question any 9/11 conspiracy theories.
 
2008-05-07 12:57:21 PM
Bleh, that will teach me not to preview. Oh well, it's still readable.
 
2008-05-07 12:57:52 PM
the propaganda campaign prior to the iraq invasion was successful, afterall they did invade iraq so whats the point of planting WMDs? Its a matter of public record that the current administration has commited war crimes, why havent anyone been yet held accountable or impeached?
 
2008-05-07 12:58:15 PM
geggy: The investigators for the Congressional Joint Inquiry discovered that an FBI informant had hosted and even rented a room to two hijackers in 2000 and that, when the Inquiry sought to interview the informant, the FBI refused outright, and then hid him in an unknown location, and that a high-level FBI official stated these blocking maneuvers were undertaken under orders from the White House.

So that must mean that Bill Clinton was behind 9/11...
 
2008-05-07 12:59:24 PM
The new version of 9/11 has special effects that Osama Bin Laden couldn't afford in the first version.

And Building Seven falls first.
 
2008-05-07 12:59:39 PM
Boxingoutsider: ///Naudet Brothers Documentary FTW

Was that the French film crew who were following the firefighters that day? The jumpers really came home to me when they explained what the noise was and then it just kept happening. Again and again and again.

I was in The City in London. Our Fin Dir was at Heathrow for a flight to NY to speak to investors. He called to send us home early. Didn't make his flight, but it didn't matter - the offices he was to visit weren't there any more anyway.
 
2008-05-07 12:59:50 PM
punistation: I'm vexed at the stupidity of Americans. VEXED.

Yet you're on an American website with mostly Americans.
 
2008-05-07 01:04:04 PM
The investigators for the Congressional Joint Inquiry discovered that an FBI informant had hosted and even rented a room to two hijackers in 2000 and that, when the Inquiry sought to interview the informant, the FBI refused outright, and then hid him in an unknown location, and that a high-level FBI official stated these blocking maneuvers were undertaken under orders from the White House.

Woudn't this put him squarely in Clinton territory?

ftfa

A source in the Sept. 11 commission said Mr. Clinton and Gore also did not give sworn testimony

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/04/28/politics/main614604.shtml



He asked that only the House and Senate intelligence committees look into the potential breakdowns among federal agencies that could have allowed the terrorist attacks to occur, rather than a broader inquiry that some lawmakers have proposed, the sources said


"We do not meet our responsibilities to the American people if we do not take an honest look at the federal government and all of its agencies and let the country know what went wrong," Torricelli said.


Scope was not limited to only what happened in terms of breakdown, however only limited to what happened in terms of breakdown in the way of intelligence, and not an overall look into the exact operations of the intelligence community as per your article.
nowhere does it mention they are avoiding "a congressional probe into any of the real issues involved."


http://archives.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/01/29/inv.terror.probe/

did you actually read any of your articles?

Former FBI Director Louis J. Freeh slammed the 9/11 Commission Thursday saying it ignored - or "summarily rejected" - the most critical piece of intelligence that could have prevented the horrific attacks of September 11, 2001.

He said there that the most critical peices were summarily ignored or rejected. The point of that article was that they were covering up their incompetence.

http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/11/17/122900.shtml

In all your articles it points to the fact that what is being covered up is not some agenda but the incompotence of the administration. I seriously doubt anyone would argue with you about the current administration being incompotent, but if they are incompotent how then can thy be all knowing enough to orchestrate such a large conspiracy?
 
2008-05-07 01:04:43 PM
Who the hell wants to watch that stuff again?

/800 times the week it happened was enough for me...
 
2008-05-07 01:05:09 PM
i32.tinypic.com
 
2008-05-07 01:05:33 PM
RE id2092008-05-07 09:09:56 AM
"Also I find it quite sad to think that the world harps on and on and on and on and on about the tragedy of 9/11, where just under 3,000 people died, and nobody gives a crap about over 200,000 people who died and over 1,000,000 people displaced, on December 26th, 2004."

Seriously?


RE halfof332008-05-07 10:08:37 AM
"God, I cannot believe someone would have the farking balls to lie like this. Think about it you farking mope, 200 mph is slightly more than take off speed! The wings would fall off? Christ, what idiocy. Here is a link showing numerous farking planes going more than 200 mph, mere feet from the ground."

Yeah, I love how all the aeronautic "experts" are still biatching about the incomprehensibility of a plane hitting a building and disintegrating. "OMG, they found a wallet a few blocks away and it was hardly burned, that's proof it's all a lie!" I also love how people think nothing terrible happens without it being the result of some sort of widespread, multi-agency govt. conspiracy. I have no problem believing widespread govt. stupidity is the cause of most disasters, and I wonder how other people can doubt this. I don't think most U.S. govt. agencies could combine to find their own asses, much less "plan" 9/11.
 
2008-05-07 01:06:09 PM
geggy: 9/11 Commission co-chair Lee Hamilton says distortions

Hey, Geggy, I found the perfect event for you!

Link (new window)

ya cherry picking asshat.

Let me try:

The iraq invasion was successful. Its a matter of public record.

Giggy, you government shill!
 
2008-05-07 01:08:31 PM
"He said there that the most critical peices were summarily ignored or rejected. The point of that article was that they were covering up their incompetence.

I never get tired of the "incompetence" arguement. Really!
 
2008-05-07 01:13:55 PM
RE scamp-dun-emer2008-05-07 12:59:39 PM
Boxingoutsider: ///Naudet Brothers Documentary FTW

This. If anyone hasn't seen it, I strongly recommend that you do. Even though it's made by some dirty Frenchmen.

There's also a 112-minute audio file floating around out there (sorry, can't remember what website it was - may have been the NYT site, now that I think about it) of NYFD radio transmissions from inside one of the towers.

Anyone care to share stories about the stupidest "9/11" crap they saw/heard/experienced? There was an awful lot of stupidity, on that day and for days afterwards. One that I remember was some moron on Oprah a couple weeks after, saying something about how traumatized she was and how she was afraid to go into tall buildings. And I believe she lived somewhere in the Midwest. Iowa or Indiana or someplace like that.
 
2008-05-07 01:14:37 PM
geggy: "He said there that the most critical peices were summarily ignored or rejected. The point of that article was that they were covering up their incompetence.

I never get tired of the "incompetence" arguement. Really!

=======================================

Why? It makes perfect sense! The same people who were intelligent enough to steal an election, lie us into war, ignore the Geneva conventions, and tap the phones of civilians were just a bunch of bumbling idiots who continue to lie and obfuscate to hide "incompetence".

Oh and by the way, chalking it all up to "incompetence" makes it all OK, no matter how many people have died.
 
2008-05-07 01:14:57 PM
geggy

the propaganda campaign prior to the iraq invasion was successful, afterall they did invade iraq so whats the point of planting WMDs? Its a matter of public record that the current administration has commited war crimes, why havent anyone been yet held accountable or impeached?

The reasons no one is being tried for war crimes is because they are hard to prove. Technically Even under the Geneva convention you need an actuall agreed truce or Treaty for an end to hostilities. A simple armistice or withdrawl does not technically mark an end to hostilities. Kind of how we can march across the North Korean Border and bomb the shiat out of it and no its not a war crime since there is only an armistice.
 
2008-05-07 01:17:13 PM
geggy

So then your argument is he said they were hiding stuff but ignor everythnig else he said because he said they were ignoring stuff = they did it.

nice.
 
2008-05-07 01:18:36 PM
Ah yes, September 11, 2001

www.msghelp.net


/sigh
 
2008-05-07 01:20:56 PM
DROxINxTHExWIND: Why? It makes perfect sense! The same people who were intelligent enough to steal an election, lie us into war, ignore the Geneva conventions, and tap the phones of civilians were just a bunch of bumbling idiots who continue to lie and obfuscate to hide "incompetence".

The Clintons did all that?? I'll be damned!

Oh wait, I see, you fell for Geggy's cherry picking, and failed to read the whole article which was mostly a hit job on the Clintons.

Whoopsie, Twoofer.
 
2008-05-07 01:20:56 PM
theoriginalslash:
There's also a 112-minute audio file floating around out there (sorry, can't remember what website it was - may have been the NYT site, now that I think about it) of NYFD radio transmissions from inside one of the towers.


=======================================

Battalion Seven Chief: "Battalion Seven ... Ladder 15, we've got two isolated pockets of fire. We should be able to knock it down with two lines. Radio that, 78th floor numerous 10-45 Code Ones."

Ladder 15: "What stair are you in, Orio?"

Battalion Seven Aide: "Seven Alpha to lobby command post."

Ladder Fifteen: "Fifteen to Battalion Seven."

Battalion Seven Chief: "... Ladder 15."

Ladder 15: "Chief, what stair you in?"

Battalion Seven Chief: "South stairway Adam, South Tower."
 
2008-05-07 01:21:25 PM
DROxINxTHExWIND

And no it doesn't make it all O.K. because they were incompotent.

Why? It makes perfect sense! The same people who were intelligent enough to steal an election, lie us into war, ignore the Geneva conventions, and tap the phones of civilians were just a bunch of bumbling idiots who continue to lie and obfuscate to hide "incompetence".

But they are so adept at covering these things up I mean certainly if they were able to cover things up these wouldn't be issues no would they.

Face facts there are piles of evidence pointing in the other direction of where you are going . Truthers your best argument is "some people covered some things up."
 
2008-05-07 01:24:54 PM
DROxINxTHExWIND: Battalion Seven Chief: "Battalion Seven ... Ladder 15, we've got two isolated pockets of fire. We should be able to knock it down with two lines. Radio that, 78th floor numerous 10-45 Code Ones."

Cripes, in 2008 do you really believe that anyone thinks that there were no fires in WTC?

Quick Droix, explain what two hand lines mean, explain what fires were burning on 79 and up?

You don't know, you got that off of some bullshiat truth site.

God, I hate this lie as much as I hate the Twoof movement's attack on Ms. Citron.

Sick twists.
 
2008-05-07 01:25:00 PM
RE DROxINxTHExWIND2008-05-07 01:14:37 PM
"Oh and by the way, chalking it all up to "incompetence" makes it all OK, no matter how many people have died."

No, it doesn't and I don't think most people believe that. That nobody was held accountable for any of it (esp. the airlines involved and the FAA) still makes me angry. Not that it matters. No one will ever be held responsible for the massive security failures that occurred. I never thought they would. Congress and Bush made sure of that when they passed that massive "Protect the Airlines Bribery Act of 2001."

And how smart do you think govt. has to be to put one over on most people? Bush et al ARE a bunch of bumbling idiots. He is, anyway. It doesn't take a lot of intelligence to lie and ignore the wise counsel of smarter people. All it takes is enough idiots who want to believe whatever you say and allow you to act on it.
 
2008-05-07 01:26:05 PM
Al Queda, party of five, your table is ready:

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2008-05-07 01:26:11 PM
The Dynamite Monkey: ....The next 30 minutes were very different that these video feeds. People were falling/jumping every several seconds -- particularly from the south side of WTC 2. Every time another one fell, the 10,000 people standing with me trapped between the WTC and the Hudson River screamed in unison.

Jesus Christ. I don't need to click on the link. I remember the days when the world liked us and wanted to help us.
 
2008-05-07 01:27:15 PM
arc1-n42

Facts were covered up and 9/11 commission didnt have the access to information outlining the government's incompetence. SOOooo can YOU prove the "incompetence" theory???
 
2008-05-07 01:27:29 PM
i18.photobucket.com

/It's a streetlight.
 
2008-05-07 01:27:30 PM
studebaker hoch: The new version of 9/11 has special effects that Osama Bin Laden couldn't afford in the first version.

And Building Seven falls first.


and there's a bunch of new cgi crap in the mos eisley scenes.
 
2008-05-07 01:29:57 PM
RE DROxINxTHExWIND2008-05-07 01:20:56 PM
Battalion Seven Chief: "Battalion Seven ... Ladder 15, we've got two isolated pockets of fire. We should be able to knock it down with two lines. Radio that, 78th floor numerous 10-45 Code Ones."

Ladder 15: "What stair are you in, Orio?"

Battalion Seven Aide: "Seven Alpha to lobby command post."

Ladder Fifteen: "Fifteen to Battalion Seven."

Battalion Seven Chief: "... Ladder 15."

Ladder 15: "Chief, what stair you in?"

Battalion Seven Chief: "South stairway Adam, South Tower."


Yeah, that's the one. The sound on it is so good, you can tell they're in a stairwell (because of the echo), you can hear them breathing hard from climbing stairs and whatnot. And none had any idea the building was gonna collapse. I don't remember any "Oh, shiat, this place is gonna fall, let's get the fark out." They were going up, not down.

NYFD FTW...
 
2008-05-07 01:30:45 PM
I was in Australia on Sept. 11, so never got to see any of the live coverage. Shocking- we only woke up to it after all was said and done. The terrible thing about being out of the country is that they were broadcasting numbers of tens of thousands dead whereas the US news was more conservative in estimating the dead to try and stem the tide of panic.
 
2008-05-07 01:31:42 PM
I don't think I'll be watching those. It was depressing enough the first time around. But I can see why they'd archive that.

I remember 9/11 well... it was a school day. Everyone was so depressed, they actually let any kid who wanted to go home do so. And I was like "Sweet, day off... wait, I shouldn't think that.... besides, there's going to be absolutely nothing good on TV.". :P
 
2008-05-07 01:31:52 PM
arc1-n42: DROxINxTHExWIND

And no it doesn't make it all O.K. because they were incompotent.

Why? It makes perfect sense! The same people who were intelligent enough to steal an election, lie us into war, ignore the Geneva conventions, and tap the phones of civilians were just a bunch of bumbling idiots who continue to lie and obfuscate to hide "incompetence".

But they are so adept at covering these things up I mean certainly if they were able to cover things up these wouldn't be issues no would they.

Face facts there are piles of evidence pointing in the other direction of where you are going . Truthers your best argument is "some people covered some things up."

===============================================

No, the evidence and everything that has happened since points DIRECTLY at the Bush administration.

Man, don't you ever get tired of trying to explain things on behalf of this administration? I mean, how many times can there be the appearence of impropriety, without anything improper actually happening?

The fire chief says there are two isolated fires but he means something else...Larry Silverstien says, "pull it" and a fully insured building that he owned comes down shortly after, but he meant something else...Bush says he saw the first plane hit the towers LIVE before he went into the classroom, but he meant something else...they all spent the better part of 4 years linking Saddam to Osama, but they meant something else...they said Iraq would have WMDs, but they meant something else...they said Saddam tried to get yellow cake, but they got the information from someone else...they said they don't torture, but they meant something else...they said Cheney didn't know about Valerie Plame, but they meant something else...

At what point does all of this bullshiat stop being "honest mistakes"? At what point do you take a look at the results of their "innocent" lies and see how it is benefitting them?
 
2008-05-07 01:34:35 PM
theoriginalslash: RE DROxINxTHExWIND2008-05-07 01:20:56 PM
Battalion Seven Chief: "Battalion Seven ... Ladder 15, we've got two isolated pockets of fire. We should be able to knock it down with two lines. Radio that, 78th floor numerous 10-45 Code Ones."

Ladder 15: "What stair are you in, Orio?"

Battalion Seven Aide: "Seven Alpha to lobby command post."

Ladder Fifteen: "Fifteen to Battalion Seven."

Battalion Seven Chief: "... Ladder 15."

Ladder 15: "Chief, what stair you in?"

Battalion Seven Chief: "South stairway Adam, South Tower."


Yeah, that's the one. The sound on it is so good, you can tell they're in a stairwell (because of the echo), you can hear them breathing hard from climbing stairs and whatnot. And none had any idea the building was gonna collapse. I don't remember any "Oh, shiat, this place is gonna fall, let's get the fark out." They were going up, not down.

NYFD FTW...


but would they still have acted the same way if they knew their numbers were up?

sucks for them, just the same.
 
2008-05-07 01:38:01 PM
img165.imageshack.us
 
2008-05-07 01:40:08 PM
greggy

Facts were covered up and 9/11 commission didnt have the access to information outlining the government's incompetence. SOOooo can YOU prove the "incompetence" theory???

The beuaty of it is that i don't have to prove a theory. the fact that the federal government was unable to act, proves everything i need. YOU have a conspiracy theory that needs evidence to be proven. I take it at face value that two planes were smashed into the buildings burnt uncontrolably and did have debris but it is not an explosion therefore it is not a huge collateral area. buildings don't fall down like trees. If you can find one example of a building falling over like a tree i will believe what you say.
 
2008-05-07 01:43:10 PM
theoriginalslash

Yeah, that's the one. The sound on it is so good, you can tell they're in a stairwell (because of the echo), you can hear them breathing hard from climbing stairs and whatnot. And none had any idea the building was gonna collapse. I don't remember any "Oh, shiat, this place is gonna fall, let's get the fark out." They were going up, not down.

That's strange becuase the NPYD aviation unit could see BOTH towers starting to lean before they fell. They advised the cops on the ground in both cases.

Not that it would have helped anyone on the 80+ floor who would have to run down and then run a safe distance away. I don't think NYPD had that kind of lead time. It was more like "holy cats look what that thing's doing" and then they collapsed a couple minutes at most afterwards.

source
 
2008-05-07 01:45:02 PM
Crazy. I remember walking into the living room that morning just as the second plane hit and I thought my dad was watching a movie.
 
2008-05-07 01:45:25 PM
halfof33: DROxINxTHExWIND: Battalion Seven Chief: "Battalion Seven ... Ladder 15, we've got two isolated pockets of fire. We should be able to knock it down with two lines. Radio that, 78th floor numerous 10-45 Code Ones."

Cripes, in 2008 do you really believe that anyone thinks that there were no fires in WTC?

Quick Droix, explain what two hand lines mean, explain what fires were burning on 79 and up?

You don't know, you got that off of some bullshiat truth site.

God, I hate this lie as much as I hate the Twoof movement's attack on Ms. Citron.

Sick twists.

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Actually, it was aired on the National Geographic's very neutral presentation of the events. And your tone is part of the problem. Congratulations on being so evolved that you do not need to ask questions, but some of us are not as trusting of the government. That does not make a person crazy or stupid. I would argue that anyone who knows a little bit about World history would think that the blind patriot is a lot crazier than the "truther".

What you have done is common. You took a quote and attributed a wacky position to me and then argued that position. I never said that there were only two small fires in the WTC, as you alleged. However, the evidence suggest that there was not a raging inferno hot enough to weaken steel one floor above.


/but, carry on.
 
2008-05-07 01:45:58 PM
arc1-n42: greggy

Facts were covered up and 9/11 commission didnt have the access to information outlining the government's incompetence. SOOooo can YOU prove the "incompetence" theory???

The beuaty of it is that i don't have to prove a theory. the fact that the federal government was unable to act, proves everything i need. YOU have a conspiracy theory that needs evidence to be proven. I take it at face value that two planes were smashed into the buildings burnt uncontrolably and did have debris but it is not an explosion therefore it is not a huge collateral area. buildings don't fall down like trees. If you can find one example of a building falling over like a tree i will believe what you say.


i once jumped against the side of a friends garage until it fell down like a tree on his car.
 
2008-05-07 01:49:56 PM
No, the evidence and everything that has happened since points DIRECTLY at the Bush administration.

Man, don't you ever get tired of trying to explain things on behalf of this administration? I mean, how many times can there be the appearence of impropriety, without anything improper actually happening?

The fire chief says there are two isolated fires but he means something else...Larry Silverstien says, "pull it" and a fully insured building that he owned comes down shortly after but he meant something else...Bush says he saw the first plane hit the towers LIVE before he went into the classroom, but he meant something else...they all spent the better part of 4 years linking Saddam to Osama, but they meant something else...they said Iraq would have WMDs, but they meant something else...they said Saddam tried to get yellow cake, but they got the information from someone else...they said they don't torture, but they meant something else...they said Cheney didn't know about Valerie Plame, but they meant something else...

At what point does all of this bullshiat stop being "honest mistakes"? At what point do you take a look at the results of their "innocent" lies and see how it is benefitting them?


Where is you proof. If there is proof it should be taken. He said pull it meaning everyone out of the building. He never said there were only two fires. Using what a battalion chief says as he is commanding his squad to say there were only two fires. Seriously have you watched the video? You can see plainly that the fire is not only burning on one floor. What you think the height of a 767 equates to 1 story? There were several brigades of Firefighters in the building let's see if we can find what everyone was screaming at the time. Clearly you have never tried to put out a fire before. When structural collapse is imminent, SOP is to pull everyone from the building. What you think we just hang out inside going "we got this." Or do you think we don't go in at all?
 
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