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(Washington Post)   Marti Tracy can't afford all organic food anymore. She can't buy expensive individual servings, either. And now she's being forced to--perish forfend--clip coupons. If you can read this without weeping you're not human   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 327
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2008-05-01 09:27:45 PM
Infernal Wedgie:
I've been out of grad school for 3 and a half years, got a job that pays $50k, and I'm still on the "student diet."

When you have no time and no desire to spend a lot on home cooking, you just make everything in big batches and subsist on leftovers.


I'm 43, like to cook, never went to grad school and still do this.

/HEB's got boneless chicken breasts for $2/lb this week
//Let the feast of a thousand chickens commence!!!
 
2008-05-01 09:28:26 PM
reaaaaaly late but evidently still in time for this
i221.photobucket.com
 
2008-05-01 09:35:57 PM
My wife is the coupon Queen. The best I've seen her do is come out of the grocery store with two carts full of food and the store owed her money (albeit just a few dollars).

Meanwhile I have to shop twice. Once to grab whatever I see that looks colorful and pretty, and the second time to put it all back and find the things on sale that, "I should have gotten in the first place."

/exaggerated ever so slightly
 
2008-05-01 09:39:10 PM
i eat normal food (non-organic) and i turned out just fine

/twitch
//twitch
 
2008-05-01 09:39:18 PM
Whatever. At least they're noticing. Once the political contributors and/or CEOs of companies and whatnot start noticing a problem, things happen. Most in positions of power do not care less what happens to the rest of us and are content to think we're just lazy or bad financial planners. No matter how stupid she sounds, it's probably idiots like her that will affect change.
 
2008-05-01 09:39:26 PM
Beans & rice, baby.

Funny, I never clip coupons, my diet is as basic as you can get.
 
2008-05-01 09:41:02 PM
jakomo002: A child dies every 12 seconds on the planet due to lack of access to fresh drinking water

None of them are impressed by this diva

4 died while I wrote this (took me a while)


You should learn to type faster so you kill fewer children.
 
2008-05-01 09:42:07 PM
I'll bet half the FARKers posting to this thread wouldn't think twice about shelling out $50+ for GTA IV. But because some of us choose to pay a little more for milk without BgH and lots of growth hormone shiat in it, that makes us morons?

//Sounds like you are the one with farked up priorities.
 
2008-05-01 09:43:36 PM
I wonder if the people in this article ever gave a single thought to the amount of energy they were thoughtlessly wasting (not to mention their own time) in the way they used to zoom around to multiple stores picking up organic goods and making special trips just to go to the dry cleaners?
 
2008-05-01 09:48:40 PM
Close2TheEdge: I'll bet half the FARKers posting to this thread wouldn't think twice about shelling out $50+ for GTA IV. But because some of us choose to pay a little more for milk without BgH and lots of growth hormone shiat in it, that makes us morons?

//Sounds like you are the one with farked up priorities.


Actually the more amusing things are like looking for sales on bottled water.
 
2008-05-01 09:50:02 PM
Thank you, what_now!

what_now: AGHHH!!!
You want to talk about hardship? Go find a family of four with a $60,000 income that can't afford to put gas in the car to get to work.

Go find a single mother who's eating rice and beans! Hell, go find a college kid who works 30 hrs a week and is going to school full time!

Don't write She's even begun sending herself reminders on her BlackBerry so she doesn't forget a case of water on sale at CVS or the twice-monthly sale on milk at Kroger:

OH NOES!! I HAVE TO BUY THE CHEAP WATER BECAUSE I'M STILL NOT POOR ENOUGH TO DRINK OUT OF THE TAP!!!!


Mine is a family of 11 on a $60,000 income. We are scrimping to pay for gas. I drive a hulking vehicle that we ONLY drive to church and to get groceries and occasionally I take the kids out to a park to get out of the neighborhood for a change of scenery.

I'm in college.

Coupons are a joke-- you seldom get products for less; you pay less for more expensive brands. We started fasting during Lent and just never stopped. We have salsa with them beans and rice for variation!
 
2008-05-01 09:50:28 PM
Close2TheEdge

This is very true. rBgH is nasty nasty stuff. People dont know though, since there is considerable amount of money and effort devoted to hiding food politics from them. Most dont even understand the most fundamental of American food productions. I would be willing to bet that more research and effort goes into finding a reputable plumber than picking healthy foods.

stay ignorant of your food choices, America. Starving companies like Cargill and ADM need to dumb, stupid, and fat.
 
2008-05-01 09:54:16 PM
I believe all food for us humans is organic. Salt is a food additive, not in itself a food. Of course I have seen someone eat the glass from a light bulb, and heard of people eating nails and razor blades and drinking water. But when I'm grocery shopping, follow me around and you'll hear me muttering something to the effect that if it's food, it's organic.

Remember, beer is organic, water is not. Drink beer for the nutrition.
 
2008-05-01 09:55:39 PM
BravadoGT: Darkridr: BravadoGT: sombreradoraloca: /Doesn't anyone read the parable of the Grasshopper and the Ant anymore?

Yeah, but at some point, the grasshoppers just realized it's easier to vote Democrat...

The ants represents communists and the workers paradise. No wonder you leapt in that direction.

ComSymp.


Amazing! Aesop was a card-carrying Bolshevik AND what's more-some 2000 years before Marx and Engels even invented it!


He was a proto-Commie. Learned at the foot of all those other commies. Don't you know your history? I mean the real stuff, that you won't hear on TV. They probably didn't even tell you about Marconi and Tesla creating a radio-power signal for simultaneous tranmission of data and energy. It opened up a portal to near orbit. Read about the "Philidephia Experiment" and ask yourself why the US suddenly banned hemp production. Why did they have to kill Einstein? Was it because Stephen Hawking was his clone that they could control?

/Grasshopper-Democrat. If you're going to cast aspersions do it right.
 
2008-05-01 09:56:42 PM
Someone tell Marti that semen is organic.

/Eat this, Marti, it's organic!
 
2008-05-01 09:57:11 PM
Philip J. Fry: jakomo002: A child dies every 12 seconds on the planet due to lack of access to fresh drinking water

None of them are impressed by this diva

4 died while I wrote this (took me a while)

You should learn to type faster so you kill fewer children.


i68.photobucket.com
 
2008-05-01 09:59:55 PM
Wow... I totally feel for her... NOT! I remember my mom clipping coupons religiously, trying to stretch $20 as far as she could for a family of 5. Granted this was in the 80s, but there were a lot of times that we ate food out of mystery cans or whatever was cheapest (lots of pasta, rice, & beans). Then there was my older sister. About 5 years ago there were times that she had to choose between feeding herself & feeding her child, thanks to her good for nothing ex (they're long since seperated).

bibli0phile: I wonder if the people in this article ever gave a single thought to the amount of energy they were thoughtlessly wasting (not to mention their own time) in the way they used to zoom around to multiple stores picking up organic goods and making special trips just to go to the dry cleaners?

That crossed my mind too. One of the first things I learned in home ec was that it wasn't worth it to go to multiple stores. You burn more gas & that $2 you saved on groceries would be burned up when you spent $5 in gas to get to that other store. (And this was in the 90s when everyone thought gas would last forever & was still under $2.)

Heh... the comments on that article are hilarious, both on this thread & on the article's page.

/know all of this has been said already
//but I'll say it anyway
 
2008-05-01 10:00:18 PM
i loves me some disposable income. Whole foods has the best meats
 
2008-05-01 10:05:10 PM
I don't know if this makes me a bad person, but I often find myself wishing that only people who vote for the Democrat or Republican party should face these hardships. They, the voters, are responsible for the economic crisis, yet other Americans, and the world, have to suffer with them.
 
2008-05-01 10:12:22 PM
Close2TheEdge: I'll bet half the FARKers posting to this thread wouldn't think twice about shelling out $50+ for GTA IV. But because some of us choose to pay a little more for milk without BgH and lots of growth hormone shiat in it, that makes us morons?

//Sounds like you are the one with farked up priorities.


There's something a little different between having the disposable income to throw around for a video game & claiming that you don't have enough money to feed your family. I can't speak for everyone here, but I have no doubt that most of us here would skip the videogame if it meant not having gas in our car or food in our stomachs.

Besides, if you want to really eat healthy, purchase food that's grown locally. Many times that food is sold dirt cheap & then you can be aware that not only do you know where your food came from (some "organic" food is just regular food stamped organic by unscrupulous companies), but you know that you're supporting your local famers instead of some huge corporation.
 
2008-05-01 10:13:36 PM
The Ravaging Ungulate: Thank you, what_now!

what_now: AGHHH!!!
You want to talk about hardship? Go find a family of four with a $60,000 income that can't afford to put gas in the car to get to work.

Go find a single mother who's eating rice and beans! Hell, go find a college kid who works 30 hrs a week and is going to school full time!

Don't write She's even begun sending herself reminders on her BlackBerry so she doesn't forget a case of water on sale at CVS or the twice-monthly sale on milk at Kroger:

OH NOES!! I HAVE TO BUY THE CHEAP WATER BECAUSE I'M STILL NOT POOR ENOUGH TO DRINK OUT OF THE TAP!!!!

Mine is a family of 11 on a $60,000 income. We are scrimping to pay for gas. I drive a hulking vehicle that we ONLY drive to church and to get groceries and occasionally I take the kids out to a park to get out of the neighborhood for a change of scenery.

I'm in college.

Coupons are a joke-- you seldom get products for less; you pay less for more expensive brands. We started fasting during Lent and just never stopped. We have salsa with them beans and rice for variation!


There's part of your problem right there.

USE A FARKING RUBBER!
 
2008-05-01 10:17:09 PM
jakomo002: A child dies every 12 seconds on the planet due to lack of access to fresh drinking water

None of them are impressed by this diva

4 died while I wrote this (took me a while)


Yeah, but 16 more are born every 12 seconds to destitute Mexicans. We're still doing it wrong.
 
2008-05-01 10:18:45 PM
Propain_az: Raskolnikov's Angst: janks369: way to feed yourself for a week

3 boxes of pasta- $3
2 cans of tuna for extra protein- $1
1 Gallon of milk- $2.99
2 jars pasta sauce-$3.58
1 Box of total-$4
Tap water- $.05
a few veggies- $3


You can do it a bit healthier than that. Think beans, rice, corn, cheap cuts like chuck, and some veggies. Countries like China, India, and high altitude climates in South America have developed a cuisine based on a meager food supply. Cook their kind of food.
 
kab
2008-05-01 10:18:58 PM
She's even begun sending herself reminders on her BlackBerry

Sorry. If you can afford a Blackberry (assuming that it's not a work-anchor), you don't really have financial problems.

Next.
 
2008-05-01 10:19:48 PM
Gulper Eel: And pounce again, just because that's how Zappa did it.

Great googly moogly!
 
2008-05-01 10:26:12 PM
rewind2846: Atomic sized...

No Bohr Atoms!!!

Electron clouds only!
 
2008-05-01 10:27:22 PM
hershmire: FTFA: She'd already given up organic meat and decided to buy organic milk only for her 2-year-old son, not for the whole family.


You cannot tell me that regular milk and organic milk taste the same. Buy a pint of ANY organic milk and drink it. You'll never buy conventional milk again. You'll go without first.

You must be shiatting me. Really? Is regular milk really that bad?


yes, it is. Not only is there the taste issue, but her son won't end up with moobs by the age of six from all the hormones that you get with conventional milk.

/tmyk!
 
2008-05-01 10:32:34 PM
LEARN. TO. COOK.

Jeez.


This. Good lord. How difficult is it? Christ, in that retail show kitchen of hers there's got to be a crockpot somewhere. That's the most idiot proof appliance ever. Save some reusable containers and TA DA, leftovers!

Damn women's lib, it's her damn duty to be able to cook for her family (but it doesn't hurt if the dude's a good cook too... always a turn on).

/great cook
 
2008-05-01 10:32:41 PM
citygirlsf: Being frugal isn't always convenient...it takes work and vigilance.

True. But if you pay attention and keep an open mind about the week's menu, it's completely possible. There are lots of Indian and Korean markets in my neighborhood with great deals, albeit on stuff I may have to figure out how to cook. (I only wish there was a Mexican market within hoofing distance.)

SquirrelsOfDoom: Gulper Eel: And pounce again, just because that's how Zappa did it.

Great googly moogly!


I injured the fur trapper...
 
2008-05-01 10:36:37 PM
40oz_A_Knight: 1) Unmarried and calls her significant other a "partner" rather than "boyfriend" (heterosexual) or "girlfriend" or "wife" (homosexual)? Check.
2) Works in human resources but claims a fancy title? Check.
3) Buys name brand milk from Target? Check.

This week on You Might Be a Pretentious Coont...


I had similar thoughts. She could convert from 'partner' to husband (somebody is knocking her up) and get that tax deduction married people get. Seems like enough savings to buy that organic milk whatever the feck organic milk is.
 
2008-05-01 10:44:00 PM
I grew up poor.

I am now not poor, thank god.

I hope I don't have to be poor again, but if I am, I know how to eat really cheap.

/Rice, beans, the right combination of condiments, ramen, maybe some tofu, vitamin pills. It ain't glamorous, but it'll get you through the day.
 
2008-05-01 10:45:35 PM
feckingmorons: 40oz_A_Knight: 1) Unmarried and calls her significant other a "partner" rather than "boyfriend" (heterosexual) or "girlfriend" or "wife" (homosexual)? Check.
2) Works in human resources but claims a fancy title? Check.
3) Buys name brand milk from Target? Check.

This week on You Might Be a Pretentious Coont...

I had similar thoughts. She could convert from 'partner' to husband (somebody is knocking her up) and get that tax deduction married people get. Seems like enough savings to buy that organic milk whatever the feck organic milk is.


That tax deduction works against you if you both make good income, which I'm guessing they do.
 
2008-05-01 10:46:56 PM
Two words- Store Brands
 
2008-05-01 10:47:39 PM
Wow, I hope this woman never tries to Google herself again.

Or maybe that would be a good thing...
 
2008-05-01 10:50:57 PM
I grew up rural poor as opposed to city poor. It was normal for me to help my dad go find young poke salat that wouldn't poison us, and we would fish together for crappie (or get lucky and snag a catfish - yum!). Add a potato from the garden and some blackberries from the backyard for dessert and that was a great meal. Being city poor is rough. Organic food is definitely a raket along with all the rest of the greenwashing out there. Just wait till poor Marti has to sink to *gasp* tilapia and *oh no* iceburg lettuce.

/If you ask me, she looks like she could stand to tighten the belt a bit ifyouknowwhatimean
//Yes, I said poke and crappie in the same post.
 
2008-05-01 10:52:36 PM
Oh come on people.
We can all eat on $5 bucks a week.
That's enough to buy 35 bags of Ramen Noodles.
Oh wait is it sac religious to eat Ramen now???
 
2008-05-01 10:53:55 PM
The kicker is the American taxpayer is shelling out billions for the privilege of paying higher food prices.

The taxpayer subsidizes corn-based ethanol.
The subsequent demand for corn increases its price (30% of the US corn crop goes to ethanol).
Farmers switch from other grains to corn, reducing supply of these grains and increasing prices.
Beef, dairy and poultry farmers pay more for feed.

Of course increased demand from the newly affluent middle-class in China and India is another major factor in the rise of food prices. Still, what is the rational for continued ethanol subsidies?
 
2008-05-01 10:56:05 PM
There were so many things just wrong with this article that I stopped reading after the first page.

Welcome to my world, [expletive deleted]!
 
2008-05-01 10:57:08 PM
Clipping coupons? Psshaw...

If Marti Tracy really loved her child, she'd be sucking off strangers at the Greyhound depot in order to provide for him in the manner to which he has become accustomed.
 
2008-05-01 10:58:01 PM
puffy999: what_now: You want to talk about hardship? Go find a family of four with a $60,000 income that can't afford to put gas in the car to get to work.

$60k income isn't exactly struggling, even for a family of 4. It's not rich by ANY stretch, but it isn't struggling (unless you're an ultra consumer whore).


I was thinking the same thing. $60K is WELL above the median household income anywhere in the U.S. except affluent suburban areas.
 
2008-05-01 11:01:39 PM
Close2TheEdge: I'll bet half the FARKers posting to this thread wouldn't think twice about shelling out $50+ for GTA IV. But because some of us choose to pay a little more for milk without BgH and lots of growth hormone shiat in it, that makes us morons?

//Sounds like you are the one with farked up priorities.


There is nothing wrong with BST (aka BGH). It occurs naturally in the milk. Giving it to the cow does not increase the amounts of BST in the milk. It only increases the amount of insulin-like growth factor 1 (IGF-1), but only increases this by a very, very small amount. The amount it dwarfed by the amount the human body produces. There is no scientific reason to not drink milk from cows given BST. There is no scientific evidence that suggests this milk is harmful to humans. This is from over 50 years of study. There may be animal welfare arguments, but these are debatable.

As scientist in the EU said in a bbc article I just read, "These things are probably safe, but they are unacceptable to the public because the perception is that they are not safe and people do not want to take any risk."

Perception >>> Scientific evidence to a portion of the population. Organic folks play on this in their marketing to make a profit, pure and simple.

Some Organic foods taste better, yes. But that has to do more with freshness and local production than anything else. Buy a pint of organic milk, and a pint of similar non-organic locally produced milk, and there is no difference. Most non-organic milk is homogenized and pasteurized, which can lead to taste defects for some people. It is also shipped from farther away in many cases.

But, when economizing, taste becomes one of only a host of factors, not the main factor. I can grow tomatoes that taste as good as organic in my garden, using pesticides to kill the bugs. The pesticide is not affecting taste. Once washed, both kinds of tomatoes would have very low levels of pesticides. Yes, even organic. Detectable /= harmfull. I can detect lead in every single bottle of water you buy. That doesn't mean it will hurt you.

Organic costs more. You are not getting much more of a benefit out of it, except some taste benefits. If you are rich enough, yeah, go for it, it tastes better. If you are poor, then you should be thinking about costs more than taste.
 
2008-05-01 11:05:27 PM
technicolor-misfit: Clipping coupons? Psshaw...

If Marti Tracy really loved her child, she'd be sucking off strangers at the Greyhound depot in order to provide for him in the manner to which he has become accustomed.


Aw, give her a break: maybe around back of the Motel 6 between the dumpsters.
 
2008-05-01 11:05:49 PM
So basically how I grew up. (Born in '82).

I make more now than my parents ever did, combined. Coupons, off brand, the whole deal, I'm surviving.
 
2008-05-01 11:07:33 PM
tokyogirl79: You burn more gas & that $2 you saved on groceries would be burned up when you spent $5 in gas to get to that other store. (And this was in the 90s when everyone thought gas would last forever & was still under $2.)


How far apart are the stores where you live? Seriously? How is this a legitimate point? Where I live now two grocery stores are across the street from one another and a third is about 3 tenths of a mile down the road. Even when I lived in a more rural area we still had the store in town and the store a few miles away in the next town. I suppose if you live somewhere with 20 miles between stores that might be relevant, but that's not most of us.

 
2008-05-01 11:08:07 PM
signine: I grew up poor.

I am now not poor, thank god.

I hope I don't have to be poor again, but if I am, I know how to eat really cheap.

/Rice, beans, the right combination of condiments, ramen, maybe some tofu, vitamin pills. It ain't glamorous, but it'll get you through the day.


Ditto. Now I'm not poor by any stretch, but I still buy in bulk, buy store brands, calculate per ounce prices, etc.
 
2008-05-01 11:11:05 PM
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2008-05-01 11:13:28 PM
hbk72777: puffy999: what_now: You want to talk about hardship? Go find a family of four with a $60,000 income that can't afford to put gas in the car to get to work.

$60k income isn't exactly struggling, even for a family of 4. It's not rich by ANY stretch, but it isn't struggling (unless you're an ultra consumer whore).

You're not from the North East are you?


Median household income in:
Boston: $39,629.
NYC: $38,293
Philadelphia: $30,746
Portland, ME: $35,650

It might be a little higher for a family of four, but I bet it's nowhere near $60K. And that's the median....a long way from the poverty line.
 
2008-05-01 11:15:28 PM
D_Moran: The kicker is the American taxpayer is shelling out billions for the privilege of paying higher food prices.

The taxpayer subsidizes corn-based ethanol.
The subsequent demand for corn increases its price (30% of the US corn crop goes to ethanol).
Farmers switch from other grains to corn, reducing supply of these grains and increasing prices.
Beef, dairy and poultry farmers pay more for feed.

Of course increased demand from the newly affluent middle-class in China and India is another major factor in the rise of food prices. Still, what is the rational for continued ethanol subsidies?


Hush you, is it not enough that the new Messiah Obama, along with just about every other politician supports taxpayer subsidizes corn-based ethanol?
 
2008-05-01 11:15:33 PM
what_now: I should have clarified about this lesson:

what_now: I have had to teach my boyfriend that generic food is the same damn thing, and that coupons are very very useful. At first, it didn't really sink in, until it was my time to buy groceries and I have enough left over for beer that I did not share


Little late to the party, but you're evil

/very evil
//I hope he farts during sex
///Slashie Parade!
 
2008-05-01 11:18:25 PM
Since we are all sharing our stories of struggle:

I'm a full-time college student living on my own working about 30-40 hours a week. With the cost of gas being the way it is and the weather is starting to get nicer I have started walking to school on the days I don't have to go to work. It's about a four mile round trip. I don't see this lady walking to work anytime soon (or..ever).

Frozen vegetables occasionally go on sale 10/$10 at Bakers. Right now I have about seven bags of frozen vegetables in my freezer. I usually also eat brown rice and tofu. I drink water from the tap (oh noes!!!). I'm doing pretty fine, but with the deficiencies in my diet I've had to start taking multi-vitamins. I've grown up poor so being poor on my own isn't terrible. Granted I've had to give up on my dining out I would do on Fridays as well as cheese (I love cheese...not the regular blocks of cheese...I'm talking about the really good stuff) but I graduate in a year so I'll be able to start working more.

What I'm worried about is my little sister who is graduating from high school next week. She has no money saved up yet she thinks she is going to be able to get an apartment on her own as well as be able to afford utilities and what other bills come up. She's pretty clueless about life in general. That's what you get for living in the middle of Nebraska and pretty much being spoiled most of your life.
 
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