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(AP)   CBS News employee who was held hostage for two months is glad that he wasn't being "mortarboarded" in Guantanamo. He didn't seem to be worried about being "gowned" or "diplomaed" in Gitmo   (hosted.ap.org) divider line 224
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2008-05-01 08:02:29 AM  
Milo Minderbinder: frangelico_y_flamingo: "The Iraqi army wasn't out specifically looking for him, Butler said. They were looking for an arms cachet."

The Iraqi army only search for the finest weapons.

I came here to say that. People always incorrectly pronounce that word CASH-AY, but this idiot actually spells it wrong as well.


'ello, mother, 'ave 'ew 'idden my cachet?
 
2008-05-01 08:03:47 AM  
DistendedPendulusFrenulum: HAMMERTOE:

And once we become like them, who gives a shiat who wins?

.


I agree. But unless we are chopping the heads off their heads, broadcasting it on TV and celebrating that as a victory we aren't like them.

I may not agree with some of the things at gitmo, but when the red crosses biggest complains were that prisoners were getting to fat, that the US isn't sensitive enough to their religion/culture, and that there wasn't enough treatment for mental disorders, then we aren't anywhere near them.
 
2008-05-01 08:05:22 AM  
And CBS wonders why some people think that they have a liberal bias......
 
2008-05-01 08:06:06 AM  
liam76: but when the red crosses biggest complains were that prisoners were getting to fat, that the US isn't sensitive enough to their religion/culture, and that there wasn't enough treatment for mental disorders, then we aren't anywhere near them.

Your logic, while sound, is useless here I fear.

/those under-inflated soocer balls, and off brand soaps really got to me.
 
2008-05-01 08:07:31 AM  
for good or for awesome:


HAMMERTOE Doesn't hate America. He just wishes we could be a little more like Hezbollah.


Oh.

Well, that changes things. Sorry, HAMMERTOE.

Barakku:

Is that the worst?

I've always particularly loved how the Bu'ush Party's "Moral Clarity" is code for moral relativism.

.
 
2008-05-01 08:08:17 AM  
DistendedPendulusFrenulum: The people tortured by usbeheaded by them, which was a practice permitted by the worst and most un-American president inhumane culture in history, had not had due process under the law. Yet, they get less attention than somebody who gets to keep their head at the end of the day.

There. Now, with more relevancy. Fact is, all these Al Quaida we're supposedly not giving "due process" are in fact getting all the "due process" their own law calls for.
 
2008-05-01 08:14:50 AM  
Hobodeluxe: we're imprisoning journalists in Gitmo and the only thing we're concerned with is a gaffe?

*weeps for this country*


Please vote then. Too many people don't bother. We get the government we deserve.
 
2008-05-01 08:15:49 AM  
www.totalfilm.com

You Mortarboarding Son of a biatch...tell me, were they built for comfort, or were they built for speed?
 
2008-05-01 08:16:02 AM  
All that Hezbollah propaganda must have sunk in by the sound of him. Seriously, people have a tendency to form a connection with their captors. His was to form an anti-American bias.
 
2008-05-01 08:25:29 AM  
Hell, no. I love my country. It's the Government and all its self-servant descent into the liberal "means before the ends" tail-chasing that I despise.

As for using Al Quaida's tactics against them, why not? Yes, we're supposed to be more civilized than them, and on the whole, we are. But, you can't eradicate a rat colony by pumping sunshine up each other's fannies on the street above. You've got to get on their level, go down into their colony, and open up a can of whoop-ass on then that they can't recover from. It's how we fight germs. It's how we fight vermin. Why should it be different, just because this particular brand of vermin knows how to tug at our media's heart strings? Every time I hear the media talk about waterboarding, I think to myself, "Is he still alive? Then STFU and get on to something that matters."
 
2008-05-01 08:25:41 AM  
barfblog.foodsafety.ksu.edu

been there, done that
 
2008-05-01 08:25:46 AM  
HAMMERTOE: DistendedPendulusFrenulum: The people tortured by usbeheaded by them, which was a practice permitted by the worst and most un-American president inhumane culture in history, had not had due process under the law. Yet, they get less attention than somebody who gets to keep their head at the end of the day.

There. Now, with more relevancy. Fact is, all these Al Quaida we're supposedly not giving "due process" are in fact getting all the "due process" their own law calls for.


Sorry the big bad boogie man crept into your bedroom in the middle of the night and turned you into a yellow bellied, lily livered, pink butted, naked banister sliding, k-y jelly slurping, Morrisey listening, new beetle driving, nancy boy. Why don't you go lay back down in your rainbow bright sleeping bag, curl up with your pooh bear and let the men talk.

Anyone who thinks we should behave just as barbarically as our adversaries is a traitor and a coward. It takes real strength to live up to the ideals of this nation.
 
2008-05-01 08:29:11 AM  
I could imagine him saying "worterborded" in a Coach Z sorta voice.
 
2008-05-01 08:30:02 AM  
FnckYon: tfa: sealed into a small room between two walls

Shooooooot...I'm in one of those kind of rooms too!


Isn't that called a "cubicle"? I used to be in one of those.
 
2008-05-01 08:30:04 AM  
HAMMERTOE: Sorry for my vulgarity. It just really burns me up that our media makes a big deal about the possibility that some LIVING scumbag might possibly have been inconvenienced or degraded, while another human being has everything taken from them by the scumbag's masked, hooded compatriots. And the media couldn't care less, unless it's one of their own.

Executing your enemy is more honorable than torturing them for the rest of their natural life while telling them you're more moral for doing it.

What I don't understand is why the same kind people who get a stiffy watching Red Dawn seem to have trouble understanding why people would want to kill the foreigners invading their homeland.
 
2008-05-01 08:34:39 AM  
That little whining biatch of a journalist is damn lucky he did not meet the fate of Daniel Pearl or Nick Berg!

Second thought.. the idea of some asshat CBS News journalist being beheaded and having his lifeless body tossed into a dirty side street gutte.. would make for entertaining TV. Mortarboarded? It's waterboarding...dumbass! You fail Mr. butler....
 
2008-05-01 08:34:45 AM  
citizen905: What I don't understand is why the same kind people who get a stiffy watching Red Dawn seem to have trouble understanding why people would want to kill the foreigners invading their homeland.

True, I wish we could go back to 9/10/01 when they didn't want to kill us.
 
2008-05-01 08:35:50 AM  
Stepqhen: HAMMERTOE: DistendedPendulusFrenulum: The people tortured by usbeheaded by them, which was a practice permitted by the worst and most un-American president inhumane culture in history, had not had due process under the law. Yet, they get less attention than somebody who gets to keep their head at the end of the day.

There. Now, with more relevancy. Fact is, all these Al Quaida we're supposedly not giving "due process" are in fact getting all the "due process" their own law calls for.

Sorry the big bad boogie man crept into your bedroom in the middle of the night and turned you into a yellow bellied, lily livered, pink butted, naked banister sliding, k-y jelly slurping, Morrisey listening, new beetle driving, nancy boy. Why don't you go lay back down in your rainbow bright sleeping bag, curl up with your pooh bear and let the men talk.

Anyone who thinks we should behave just as barbarically as our adversaries is a traitor and a coward. It takes real strength to live up to the ideals of this nation.


7/10. Your latent homophobia confused the issue a bit, and the last paragraph was a little too disjointed.
 
2008-05-01 08:37:49 AM  
He's "glad he wasn't mortarboarded...", etc

Has anyone mentioned that this can still be arranged?
 
2008-05-01 08:38:35 AM  
The fact that this crap was published in english is more of an insult than anything said in it. A french guy is expected to hate america and to have bad english.
 
2008-05-01 08:40:08 AM  
citizen905:
What I don't understand is why the same kind people who get a stiffy watching Red Dawn seem to have trouble understanding why people would want to kill the foreigners invading their homeland.


Yea, all those Iraqis are really causing a lot of trouble in Tehran.

/yes, that's sarcasm, in case anyone doesn't quite get it.
 
2008-05-01 08:40:32 AM  
HAMMERTOE: 1) Divide the number of Al Quaida dead as a result of waterboarding by the number of Americans who have survived decapitation.

2) Take the result and shove it up your misguided liberal ass!


The result would equal zero.

/I prefer to call it Guano.
 
2008-05-01 08:40:54 AM  
HAMMERTOE: Sorry for my vulgarity. It just really burns me up that our media makes a big deal about the possibility that some LIVING scumbag might possibly have been inconvenienced or degraded, while another human being has everything taken from them by the scumbag's masked, hooded compatriots. And the media couldn't care less, unless it's one of their own.

Screw you, I'd rather die than go through what's happened at Abu Graib and other places.
 
2008-05-01 08:41:17 AM  
citizen905: Executing your enemy is more honorable than torturing them for the rest of their natural life while telling them you're more moral for doing it.

Let's see... Taking a civilian hostage, keeping them under the constant threat of eventual decapitation until you finally do behead then a few days/ weeks later really, really qualifies as "torturing them for the rest of their natural life."

Taking an enemy combatant/ terrorist, incarcerating them, and subjecting them to occasional waterboarding for information, with them having the knowledge that, at no time will they be outright killed, due to our civility? Where does that count as "torturing them for the rest of their natural life?" Sounds more civil to me.

How many have died in Gitmo? I really have no idea. Judging by the lack of the media orgy sure to accompany such an occurance, none.
 
2008-05-01 08:41:31 AM  
Anagrammer: While he was held, he heard a lot of Hezbollah propaganda video and Hezbollah ringtones on mobile phones, but he can't be sure his captors were affiliated with the organization.

Besides "mortarboarded" and an "arms cachet", what the heck is a Hezbollah ringtone?!? What other cellphone services do they offer?

"To get your personal picture of 72 hot virgins, text '72virg' to . . . "


THIS!
 
2008-05-01 08:42:52 AM  
Stories like this don't do a whole lot to dispel the "myth" of biased reporting.

Dude spends 2 months as a captive, has little to eat over the final 2 weeks, at one point thinks he's being driven out into the desert to be executed...and yet the first thing that falls out of his yap is politics...and his comment is chock full of dumbass to boot.

He feels he was some kind of brother in arms with a cameraman from Al-Jazeera? Y'know...every one of the people in Gitmo was something before they were a prisoner there. I'm sure there are bakers, farmers, school teachers, mechanics, etc...is a cameraman magically exempt? Of course, he's a reporter.

Asshat.
 
2008-05-01 08:43:33 AM  
citizen905: What I don't understand is why the same kind people who get a stiffy watching Red Dawn seem to have trouble understanding why people would want to kill the foreigners invading their homeland.

Unless in the 80's when we had an unelected dictator for life who routinely tortured, gassed and otherwise opressed any form of discent, then you rational makes no sense. Oh yeah and there is that little thing about letting them elect their own govt and draft their own laws. Do you really think if we controlled the govt there that they could have passed a law giving amnesty to people who worked with suicicde bombers?
 
2008-05-01 08:44:21 AM  
Alphax: Screw you, I'd rather die than go through what's happened at Abu Graib and other places.

I'm sure Daniel Pearl would have loved to to switch places with anybody at Gitmo.

Go screw yourself.
 
2008-05-01 08:45:38 AM  
New fad diet: tangerines and boiled eggs for a month!
 
2008-05-01 08:45:51 AM  
HAMMERTOE: Taking an enemy combatant/ terrorist, incarcerating them, and subjecting them to occasional waterboarding for information, with them having the knowledge that, at no time will they be outright killed, due to our civility? Where does that count as "torturing them for the rest of their natural life?" Sounds more civil to me.

How many have died in Gitmo? I really have no idea. Judging by the lack of the media orgy sure to accompany such an occurance, none.


how many have even been waterboarded? there are what 4 reported cases with any confirmation. I am sure there are more but it is BS tot hink it is standard pracitce for everyone at gitmo.
 
2008-05-01 08:45:53 AM  
HAMMERTOE: You've got to get on their level, go down into their colony, and open up a can of whoop-ass on then that they can't recover from

If only we could do that I would be all for it. The idea that we can go an kill all the people that hate us is a fantasy.
 
2008-05-01 08:51:47 AM  
Alphax: HAMMERTOE: Sorry for my vulgarity. It just really burns me up that our media makes a big deal about the possibility that some LIVING scumbag might possibly have been inconvenienced or degraded, while another human being has everything taken from them by the scumbag's masked, hooded compatriots. And the media couldn't care less, unless it's one of their own.

Screw you, I'd rather die than go through what's happened at Abu Graib and other places.



Really? How would you like that death? Would you perhaps prefer the kind of death the other side prefers? Hold you captive, release pictures of you bound and blindfolded but being forced to spew propaganda...all before they haul you out in front of the camera for the last time so they can saw through your neck while you're screaming and begging for your life so your mom/dad/wife/kids/brothers/sisters/friends can watch how your last few moments unfolded? Perhaps it's fine by you when they're holding you're dripping head up to the camera and turning your head about so we can all get a good look at your last agonized moments frozen on your face?

Was that the kind of death your were claiming you'd prefer?

Real brave sentiment there. Lemme know how much more bravado you can come up with via keyboard.
 
2008-05-01 08:55:25 AM  
At least the Japanese had the honor to attack us outright, rather than sending criminals to do their dirty work. Remember what we did to the Japanese? We didn't worry about sorting them out between who hates us or not; we "walked the dog" all over their sneak-attacking asses. Twice. With the implied promise of, "Get with the program or you're the last of your line." Result: the largest war this planet has ever seen, finished, right then and there.

Now, they are among the most civil of nations.

Funny what the threat of total extermination does to a civilized society's outlook.
 
2008-05-01 08:55:53 AM  
RING,RING,RING,RING,RING, RING RING...HEZZBOLLAH PHONE!
 
2008-05-01 08:58:56 AM  
I love the 72 virgins part of the equation.

I recently came across a page, written by a scholar that speaks Arabic. He was discussing the part of the Qur'an that mentions the 72 virgins in Heaven. Apparently, the rest of the description mentioned how many wonderful kinds of fruit would be there. After living in a desert, I imagine that "all the fruit you can eat" would be pretty amazing.

The scholar was also conversant in Syrian. The word in Arabic that means virgin, is Syrian for white. In Syrian, used the way the word was used, it is short hand for white grapes.

The scholar suggests that this word was borrowed from Syrian, for a word the author didn't know in Arabic. A virgin popping up during a description of a fruit buffet is pretty out of place, contextually.

So, I hope these terrorists, who believe they are killing to get laid, arrive in the place they are going, and are handed a bunch of whote grapes, and a pat on the back.
 
2008-05-01 09:00:20 AM  
I lost 42 pounds in only 12 days on the new "Hezbollah ringtone diet"... four eggs and a tangerine.
 
J3
2008-05-01 09:00:46 AM  
I find it funny that people are comparing waterboarding to decapitation and saying that means we're stooping to their level. Scaring someone in a way that causes them no actual physical harm vs chopping off their head. I'd rather be captured by us than them any day and anyone on here who says otherwise is a liar of suicidal.
 
2008-05-01 09:00:53 AM  
Last time I was mortarboarded I had to pay for it....

eatourbrains.com


//Who am I kidding, I am still paying for it.
 
2008-05-01 09:01:24 AM  
Pantload: I love the 72 virgins part of the equation.

I recently came across a page, written by a scholar that speaks Arabic. He was discussing the part of the Qur'an that mentions the 72 virgins in Heaven. Apparently, the rest of the description mentioned how many wonderful kinds of fruit would be there. After living in a desert, I imagine that "all the fruit you can eat" would be pretty amazing.

The scholar was also conversant in Syrian. The word in Arabic that means virgin, is Syrian for white. In Syrian, used the way the word was used, it is short hand for white grapes.

The scholar suggests that this word was borrowed from Syrian, for a word the author didn't know in Arabic. A virgin popping up during a description of a fruit buffet is pretty out of place, contextually.

So, I hope these terrorists, who believe they are killing to get laid, arrive in the place they are going, and are handed a bunch of whote grapes, and a pat on the back.


"Where are my biatches?"
"Here are your raisins!"
 
2008-05-01 09:01:56 AM  
craig328: Really? How would you like that death? Would you perhaps prefer the kind of death the other side prefers? Hold you captive, release pictures of you bound and blindfolded but being forced to spew propaganda...all before they haul you out in front of the camera for the last time so they can saw through your neck while you're screaming and begging for your life so your mom/dad/wife/kids/brothers/sisters/friends can watch how your last few moments unfolded? Perhaps it's fine by you when they're holding you're dripping head up to the camera and turning your head about so we can all get a good look at your last agonized moments frozen on your face?

Was that the kind of death your were claiming you'd prefer?

Real brave sentiment there. Lemme know how much more bravado you can come up with via keyboard.


That's quick and easy. You think that's better than Abu Graib?

I suppose you'd rather be raped by soldiers, left naked in the cold, and subjected to electrical shocks, all on the theory that you might get out alive someday.

No, I do NOT think that Daniel Pearl would prefer that!
 
2008-05-01 09:03:34 AM  
dittybopper: csi_yellowknife: "12 days of his captivity, ate one tangerine and four boiled eggs."

*HONK*
Make that three hard boiled eggs.
First thread I check this morning, and someone quotes the Marx Brothers.

What a great way to start the morning.

/Mean that in a serious, non-sarcastic way.


Ditto.
 
2008-05-01 09:03:49 AM  
J3: I find it funny that people are comparing waterboarding to decapitation and saying that means we're stooping to their level. Scaring someone in a way that causes them no actual physical harm vs chopping off their head. I'd rather be captured by us than them any day and anyone on here who says otherwise is a liar of suicidal.

They're done FAR worse that waterboarding. The worst parts were only told to Congress, unfortunately.
 
2008-05-01 09:06:04 AM  
portscanner: "...he heard a lot of Hezbollah propaganda video and Hezbollah ringtones on mobile phones..."

What in the wide, wide world of sports are "Hezbolla ringtones"??????


Awesome,the terrorists have customized ringtones. This means we've already won whether they know it or not.
 
2008-05-01 09:06:09 AM  
a Hezbollah ringtone?
The sound of a sword lopping on some ones head?
 
2008-05-01 09:06:09 AM  
I'm trying to figure out a Hezbollah ringtone too..."Allaaaaaahu Akbar!", "Alalalalalalalah!"?
 
2008-05-01 09:10:20 AM  
Alphax: I suppose you'd rather be raped by soldiers, left naked in the cold, and subjected to electrical shocks, all on the theory that you might get out alive someday.

Sorry, but you lost me at naked in the cold. You nearly lost me at raped by soldiers, but in this day of don't ask/ don't tell, who knows? But naked in the cold? Get a dose of your own reality. You're talking about the equator here. A globally warmed equator, no less. Where does cold enter the equation?
 
2008-05-01 09:12:16 AM  
HAMMERTOE:


As for using Al Quaida's tactics against them, why not?


I couldn't agree with you more.

We do to them what they did to us, they do to us what we did to them, we do to them what they did to us, they do to us what we did to them, they do to us what we did to them, we do to them what they did to us, they do to us what we did to them, they do to us what we did to them, we do to them what they did to us, they do to us what we did to them, until the Truth of who is right emerges.

.
 
2008-05-01 09:14:58 AM  
Alphax: That's quick and easy. You think that's better than Abu Graib?

I suppose you'd rather be raped by soldiers, left naked in the cold, and subjected to electrical shocks, all on the theory that you might get out alive someday.

No, I do NOT think that Daniel Pearl would prefer that!


Rape is a claim I have heard tossed around, but have yet to hear a reputable news source carry.

Once again I would refer you to the red cross report. Biggest complaints, not sensitive enough to the koran, weight gain from too much food, etc. If you are refering to Abu Gharib, let me remind you that those involved were punished, doesn't make it right for the ones who suffered, but it shows that it isn't acceptable behavior for us.
 
2008-05-01 09:17:20 AM  
Alphax: craig328: Really? How would you like that death? Would you perhaps prefer the kind of death the other side prefers? Hold you captive, release pictures of you bound and blindfolded but being forced to spew propaganda...all before they haul you out in front of the camera for the last time so they can saw through your neck while you're screaming and begging for your life so your mom/dad/wife/kids/brothers/sisters/friends can watch how your last few moments unfolded? Perhaps it's fine by you when they're holding you're dripping head up to the camera and turning your head about so we can all get a good look at your last agonized moments frozen on your face?

Was that the kind of death your were claiming you'd prefer?

Real brave sentiment there. Lemme know how much more bravado you can come up with via keyboard.

That's quick and easy. You think that's better than Abu Graib?

I suppose you'd rather be raped by soldiers, left naked in the cold, and subjected to electrical shocks, all on the theory that you might get out alive someday.

No, I do NOT think that Daniel Pearl would prefer that!


You just lost all credibility. Seriously. That's just ridiculous.
 
2008-05-01 09:18:03 AM  
Ululating Frog ringtone?
 
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